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Ari Seppi
David:
> There *is* a Duck/Tolkien crossover.

There is another one too. I TL 2081-1, I TL 2082-4 (Paperino
e il signore del Padello, Lord of the Pot) by Giorgio Pezzin
and Franco Valussi.

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Timo Ronkainen
>But what about "King Scrooge the First" with the immortal Egyptian?

Yes, but was it not explained with some medical substance he had used for
centuries to sustain life? He took similar drug to revoke it's effect.
No magic words, no hocus pocus. Fantastic, yes, but within the (slightly
stretched) boundaries of natural science.
Same thing with Old Castle's "ghost". Invisibility was achieved by chemical
stuff. Again really fantastic situation but there was no real ghost, or
magic involved.

Timo

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Ari Seppi
Timo:
> Barks said in some interview that he always tried to find some kind
rational
> explanations and solutions to his stories. No inexplicable fable or
> supernatural things.
> So I believe that yuo can't find any supernatural things in his own
stories.
> You probably remember story about golden christmas tree with *real*
witch,
> but the story wasn't his own.

But what about "King Scrooge the First" with the immortal Egyptian?
Isn't that Bark's own script? At least Inducks *) or the Guidebook *2)
don't have remarks about other plottists.

*) http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+US+++71-01

*2) http://www.seriesam.com/barks/comicsus067.html#us0071-01

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Olaf Solstrand
CarmenG:
>And despite Mr. Rosa's protestations that his artwork is not what
>he wishes it to be, I think Magica is beautifully drawn and--dare
>I say this about a comic duck?--sexy.

That IS a fact! When Magica is drawn correct, she is beautiful! She's a very
erotic and exotic character, and when you add the spells and potions...
She's beautiful. Something about her reminds me of the Norwegian comic
character "Nemi", for those of you who've heard about her. (I know the
strips are printed in Norway and Sweden, maybe other places as well?)

Fabio:
>My questions for Don Rosa or whoever... if Calisota is a
>state near California and Oregon...

Don Rosa's version of Calisota is the northern part of California. In MY
version, I added the southern bits of Oregon, because I wanted the home of
Carl Barks to be located in Calisota. You can find a map over Calisota, as I
see it, at
http://www.andebyonline.com/calisota.gif/
The only words you could have problems understanding there are Andeby
(=Duckburg) and Gåseby (=Goosetown).

>How much stars have the american flagg of the duck's America?
>Err... thinking now... thats is in the fifties. I am not sure
>how much state they had then...

In the fifties, before Alaska and Hawaii came along, USA had 48 states. As
far as I remember, someone have mentioned on the list that in a CB story,
someone was asked in a quiz contest how many states America had, and the
answer was 48. This is also my opinion - since an extra state would
influence among other things THE AMERICAN FLAG, which should be holy for all
Americans. That must mean that one of the states in USA today should not be
there... My theory is that North Dakota and South Dakota has been shrimped
into ONE state named "Dakota". Maybe that sounds weird for the Americans on
the list. Maybe another solution is that two of the tiny little states on
the west coast could be joined to one (how big is Rhode Island?). Does this
sound like a drastic thought? Well... it's better than ruining the Stars and
Stripes.

Santiago Garcia Banhos:
>Any story with real supernatural-facts which I forget?

"Trick or threat". But I guess Barks only drew that. And even though Magica
may not be magic, her spells definitely are.

-olaf- www.andebyonline.com

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Don Rosa
From: CarmenG at aol.com
>>>despite Mr. Rosa's protestations that his artwork is not what he wishes
it to
be, I think Magica is beautifully drawn and--dare I say this about a comic
duck?--sexy. but I just feel the joy of the artist in every strand
of her hair as it flies about.
(Okay--just wait. Don will write that he found drawing the hair tedious
and that he sees the character as frumpy.

You betcher sweet life I find drawing Magica's hair tedious! And her
all-black outfit! Filling in black takes LOTS of time! It takes longer to
draw her than any other character in these comics! But no, I don't try to
draw her frumpy. I think you can see that when you note the extra vertical
ink line I always employ on both her and Goldie in the area just south of
the front of their neck.

From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Gilles)
>>>Now, questions to Don Rosa :
Is it Barks' oilpainting "Return to plain awful" that inspired you for
your
story with the same title, or is it the story that inspired the paint, as I
noticed (I think) that both have been made in the same year?

My inspiration was Bruce Hamilton showing me a picture of the newly
finished painting which he was preparing to produce as a LE lithograph, and
him saying "do a story based on this painting".
I actually had wanted to do sequels before that, but they didn't like the
idea since so few American readers would be familiar with the originals.
But he explained that they had had problems with some investors who were
buying the lithographs without being familiar with the stories... I think
the one he specifically named was "Disaster at Money Lake"... saying that
the buyers were disturbed that they did not understand what was going on.
Like "I'm worried that the investment potential of this piece will be
lessened by the fact that I'm too stupid to understand it". I think we saw
one of these people at the Barks 100 year commemoration panel at the SD Con
when Bruce happily announced a new edition of the book of Barks'
paintings -- one jerk actually (I couldn't believe he did this,
*especially* at a panel which was to simply honor Barks' name and work)
stood up and asked "How will that new book effect the value of the original
that we bought from you?"
Anyway, the idea was for me to do a story explaining why there was a square
chicken and (maybe for the real fans) to justify the painting of a scene
from an adventure which never took place (but $crooge *had* to be in each
lithograph, again for the investors who would be upset if he were not). And
a copy of the comic was included with each purchase, or so I was told.
But looking back later, I wonder why I did not use the idea that $crooge is
excited about there being a GOLDEN, not simply square, egg under the square
chicken. Maybe they sent me a b&w copy of the painting or maybe I saw the
scene only briefly at some point. Anyway, I'm kinda glad I didn't notice
that detail -- it wasn't needed for my purposes. All that was needed was
the original idea that any sort of square eggs would be very valuable to
the egg industry. And that's one of my own favorites of my own old stories,
just the way it is.

Reply-To: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
From: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
>>>My questions for Don Rosa or whoever... if Calisota is a state near =
California and Oregon...

Sorry... this seems to be a requoted question. Did I miss it the first
time?
My idea is that Calisota is the northern section of California, just above
the angle it makes on the east with Nevada.

From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
> I envy those who have not discovered the Calvin and Hobbes comics
>>>If they're fantastic, why do you envy those people who have not
discovered
them?!?!?

I think we assume she meant to say "pity", not "envy". Nobody's vocabulary
or logic would be that envious.

From: "Santiago Garcia Banhos" <sgarcia at external.uf-isf.es>
>>>This remains me a fact I've realised in Bark's tales (I don't know if
this
has been discused here before): He *never* uses any real magic or
supernatural facts in his stories; even when it seems to be some paranormal
phenomenia, at the end it turns out to have some certain scientifical
explanation

That's right. I go along with him on the witch thing... using witches
brings it too close to kiddies' fairy tales. But I don't mind using an
occasional ghost, though only in Castle McDuck -- I'm too much a fan of so
many films like THE UNINVITED or THE GHOST AND MRS. MUIR (or even the new
THE OTHERS) not to do it. And a few hardcore Barksfans have been irate that
I would use a ghost. But as I always tell them, I'm not doing Carl Barks
stories. I'm doing my own stories, good or bad, based on his characters and
situations as I interpret them.

From: "timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com>
>>>Barks said in some interview that he always tried to find some kind
rational
explanations and solutions to his stories. No inexplicable fable or
supernatural things.

Yeah, but I'm not sure how Harpies/Larkies or Terries or Firmies or
Gneezles or Valhalla or many other such characters figure into that
explanation. After all, he did use magic, but just not witches... not
things that cranks might interpret as satanic. His editors didn't seem to
fear that, but Barks may simply have been ahead of his time, expecting the
current era in America when people will object to just about anything just
to hear themselves make noise.
Ari Seppi
> Yes, but was it not explained with some medical substance he had
used for
> centuries to sustain life? He took similar drug to revoke it's
effect.
> No magic words, no hocus pocus. Fantastic, yes, but within the
(slightly
> stretched) boundaries of natural science.

Oops, you are right, of course. I didn't remember the story so
well and the thin line separating magic from comics reality
just confused me.

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Fluks, H.W.
> From: Olaf Solstrand [mailto:harryklein at hotmail.com]
> Sent: maandag 15 oktober 2001 13:41

> Maybe another solution is that two of the tiny
> little states on the west coast

..east coast, I assume..

> could be joined to one (how big is Rhode
> Island?). Does this
> sound like a drastic thought? Well... it's better than
> ruining the Stars and Stripes.

But those "tiny" states are the original 13 united states, and they are the
reason that the flag has 13 stripes! So you actually *did* propose to "ruin"
the Stars and Stripes. 8-)

BTW, Don Rosa once let Hawaii disappear...

--Harry.
Timo Ronkainen
>Yeah, but I'm not sure how Harpies/Larkies or Terries or Firmies or
>Gneezles or Valhalla or many other such characters figure into that
>explanation.

Ah, yes, those mythical things are quite close to fable and fairy tale, but
overly supernatural they are not (IMO). I think those things are just as
close to supernatural as talking ducks ;-)

Timo

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Goofy313g
I corrected semo mistakes in Calisota Online,
IN the he section "Deja-vu", D91076 and D93121...

Gilles
Joe GouldIII
...Re US states: , I guess that the concept here is
deciding that - during the " classic " Ducks period of
Unca Carl's stories ( As decided in retrospect ,
remember ) and , thus , Don's stories , the US had
only 48 states , up through 1967 ? Is that your
problem , Bunky ? Well , then , SIT DOWN , put your
CHIN UP , and...Oh , sorry .
Perhaps the Civil War-era division that resulted in
Virginia and West Virginia coming out of the original
Virginia either never happened , or , was reversed ,
at a later date ? As I've pointed oout here before (
especially in the 1940s ) some people in rural parts
of Northern California and Oregon talked about the
possibility of seperating into a new state , to be
called " Jefferson " , though it never went far at all
.
Actually , regarding North/Soth Dakota , just
recently , one of the two Dakotas ( I THINK North )
got some , mildly silly , attention in the U. S. press
when a proposal to drop the " North " , perhaps for
just " Dakota " , or , another , different name , came
up in the state legislature .
Re: Calvin/Hobbes , I believe that what was intended
was the " I ENVY ( emphasis mine ) the person who gets
to read those for the first time " concept . Is that
little troupe/verbal cliche not used that much there ?

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Joe GouldIII
...I was rushed into getting the last one sent off -
I'd meant 2 add that that "...Is that your
problem...CHIN UP ! " verbal riffage was a ( I think )
quote from an old comedian/character , " The Old
Philosopher ( Eddie Lawrence ) - I think - Popular
before my time , really .
I keep trying to , unsubscribe , from this mailing
list , at the add. I used to use for this , but now
use no more - liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com -
My e-mail storage bin there is incredibly full ,
that's why - But , " help " Es that I have sent get
returned with the explanation that the relevant
thingie...Well , you know .

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Goofy313g
I am not sure I have already sent this message...
I updated my website (for the second time in two days!)
I added a new section : Mezzo's deliriums!
Mezzo is a French drawer who draws the second pages of PIcsou Magazine with
wonderful drawings.
Take a look at :
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/mezzo.html

Don Rosa, do you like the drawings of the guy whose drawings replaced yours
in Picsou Magazine?

You MUST see those drawings! they are really awesome!

Gilles
Becca Ridout
I can think of one exception to this. He wrote a christmas story where HDL wanted a steam shovel and actually drew Santa Claus and showed him using magic to get down the chiminey, with no explaination to spoil it's magicalness. (There was an editors note in the copy I have mentioning how unusual this was for Barks).
becca
See you, Space Cowboy.....
 
 

From: "Santiago Garcia Banhos"
To:
Subject: Barks and magic
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:32:33 +0200

Don Rosa wrote:

>Barks, for some reason, seemed to really
>disdain the use of a character with occult powers... his previous uses of

This remains me a fact I've realised in Bark's tales (I don't know if this
has been discused here before): He *never* uses any real magic or
supernatural facts in his stories; even when it seems to be some paranormal
phenomenia, at the end it turns out to have some certain scientifical
explanation (even more if we consideer Magica's spells as chemistry, maybe).
Look, for instance, the "Flying Dutchman" or the "Old Castle's secret"
stories... I wonder if this has something to deal with his personal beliefs.
Any suggestion about this? Any story with real supernatural-facts which I
forget?

My greetings to all,

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Joe GouldIII
While not the Ducks ( or , even , Scamp ) another
Dark Horse Disney comic adapting a current movie
release has been announced - I saw a Dark Horse ad in
" Comic Buyer's Guide "
plugging a soon-to-come " MONSTERS , INC. " comic -
presumably a one , or two , -shot - the forthcoming
Pixar-Disney release . At least they , presumably ,
think that comics are enough of a promotional
device/have enough sales potential to bother with one
!
Say , if that devoutly hoped for Geppi/Disney deal
ever happens , do you think that they might have Dark
Horse handle the newsstand distribution , as was the
case with the 90s Gladstone/Marvel setup ??????? Only
trouble is , Dark Horse is , itself , pretty marginal
, at best , as far as newsstand distribution goes ,
especially for " traditional " newsstand distribution
, I think . ( I live in a downtown/central city - San
Francisco - without a car , and don't , regularly ,
see any full-fleged comics-carrying newsstands - as
opposed to comics shops - at all !!!!!!! )

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Fabio Blanco
HelpI hope all of you'll buy the comic that return I think in January from (increbly) Marvel Comics.
Steve Gerber return to write HOWARD THE DUCK for a 6 issues miniseries (into the new MAX imprint), beyond the problems that about the character have DZNEE... (I read about but is more messy than the argentine politics).
Whatever, in this new miniseries Howard became a MOUSE and I think another animals too...

Beside this launch are the another for the same date (January?): The Essential HDD reprinting in B&W 29 classics numbers of the Gerber's original series... (very low price, btw)

I hope all the Howard and Gerber fans in the list take a look to these new comics. If they are a success I'll can read more of one my favorite characters

Obligatory Quote: Why a duck? :)

FABIO BLANCO
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