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Alipio D'Oliveira Coelho
> 1. Gyro (Claudio Eckert)
>
> Subject: Gyro
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:01:26 +0200
>
> As far as I can remember, Carl Barks said (when he was a reader of DCML and
> we had a similar discussion here) that Gyro is a chicken.

Barks' words:
" I think that every cartoonist had a crazy inventor at some time in his
strips,
so I deliberately invented Gyro. But I only figured on using him once in
a very
great while.If I had known that I was going to have to do a book of Gyro
stories, I would have made him about the same size as Donald or Uncle
Scrooge,
so that he could have been handled more easily. He was a big, tall,
gawky
chicken, and it was difficult to work him into the same panels as the
ducks."
(Interwiew by Donald Ault and Thomas Andrae, august, 4, 1975.)
Here, in Brazil is name is Professor Pardal (Pardal is a kind of
sparrow...)
Simon De Beer
> I suspect that this is a double pun: Assuming that "oe" is pronounced
> the same way in Afrikaans as it is in Dutch, what Scrooge heard was
> not what English speakers would assume he heard by reading Don's dialog
> ("I'm a bore"), but "I'm a boor". Either way, Scrooge's reaction to the
> misunderstood word is appropriate!

I hope that wasn't a slur on the Afrikaans race as a whole - I am of boer ancestory & find people make assumptions about my political & social views
Don Rosa
From: Goofy313g at aol.com
>>>This question is directed to Don Rosa but I ask him here because I
thought it
could interrest people here...
It is about Scrooge's paternal grandfather...
The character only appears in your Duck Family Tree...
In the original American version, this character is called "Dirty" Dingus
McDuck. Dingus McDuck was a SCOTTISH MINER.
Doing some researches with my friends from dcml, my comics collection and
inducks, I found that in the story "The Search for Cyril", from "Donald
Duck"
# 70, from 1960 Bob Gregory and Tony Strobl already gave a grandpa to
Scrooge. His name was Titus McDuck (TitUS sounds a little bit like DingUS),
and he is a SCOTTISH MINER too!...
I thought that maybe you had been inspired from the character to create your
Dingus...

No, I was inspired by $crooge saying that his grandfather was a miner... I
think it was in Barks' "The Golden River". I'm not familiar with the story
you mention since I never paid a lot of attention to any story that was not
by that "good artist", not even when I was very young. But if I had known
that there already was a story that had named a character that MUST have
existed (as opposed to a character that Barks did not first say existed), I
would have used that name. That's how I treated the name of Elvira for
Grandma -- it was not a Barks "fact", but it still had been used in a story
long ago that I had made a note of for possible use in my "Lo$". I would
have been happy to use "Titus" for $crooge's Grandfather... that's a good
name.

>>>But the story doesn't stop there!!! Titus McDuck was translated Titus Von
Anka into Swedish. And guess what was Dingus' translation? Titus Von Ankka
too ! ! ! So I decided to consider them as the same character in my Duck
Family Tree...

Well... they'd hafta be the same character, right? $crooge has two
grandfathers, but the other is not named "McDuck". So, I'll bet the Swedish
translator is a Duck expert (aren't you, Stefan?), and used that earlier
name instead of my "Dingus". Good for him!!!! Maybe if I ever need to use
that character again, I'll see if they'll let me use "Titus" rather than
Dingus.

>>>>Did you know about the swedish translation of Dingus?

I don't know about the anything translation of anything!

>>>I was also wondering if you had already seen this tree :
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/gisletree.html
It's a tree from 1973... (more on the page)
and I was wondering if, before to build your own tree, you had seen that
one:
http///goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/germantree.html
In both trees, "whitewater" Duck is Fethry's brother, and they have been
published before yours... Did you get the idea about making whitewater
Fethry's brother from one of these trees, or did you have the idea yourself?

The English-translated names on that first Tree must have been added after
my Tree was published -- that's too much of a coincidence that the names are
the same. Also, I don't see any way to tell that those English translations
of the names were done in 1973 or last year. And I think I have seen that
German Tree you mention even though your link appears "dead" to me. I would
be amazed if either Tree used the name Whitewater Duck because I don't see
how they could -- those old Trees were never "officially" translated into
English until perhaps someone did it recently with no idea what the original
Tree creator would have intended.
But all I know for sure is that I had never seen or heard of those other
Trees when I did my Tree -- my Tree was based solely on characters created
by Barks or characters that MUST have existed for Barks' characters to exist
(parents, grandparents, etc.)... well, with the exception of the addition of
Fethry which the editors insisted on.
H.W.Fluks
Gilles:

> A funny detail : [Gyro]'s got human feet (well, not exactly...
> they still have 4 toes, but i'm sure you can find humans with
> 4 toes :-))

According to the Italian book about Barks (recently translated into German
too), Barks showed Gyro's feet having *five* toes!

This information is from Luca Boschi's quiz in the back of the book.

--Harry.
H.W.Fluks
Don:

> http///goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/germantree.html

> And I think I have seen that
> German Tree you mention even though your link appears "dead"
> to me.

The correct spelling of the link is:

http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/germantree.html

BTW, Gilles: the big drawings of DD and HDL do not appear in the Dutch
version, and are definitely not Van Schuijlenburg. The art looks a bit like
Volker Reiche to me. Now that I look at it, *all* of the tree looks like
Volker Reiche.

--Harry.
Kriton Kyrimis
LARRY:

> 6, Glomgold replies "I'm a Boer" (which I think means he has Dutch
> ancestry).
> Don Rosa uses this just for a "play on words" joke. Scrooge isn't
> familiar with the
> word "Boer", but thinks that Glomgold meant that he's boring,

I suspect that this is a double pun: Assuming that "oe" is pronounced
the same way in Afrikaans as it is in Dutch, what Scrooge heard was
not what English speakers would assume he heard by reading Don's dialog
("I'm a bore"), but "I'm a boor". Either way, Scrooge's reaction to the
misunderstood word is appropriate!

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Luca Boschi
Oh, well, I didn't know that the book was translated in Germany...

>> A funny detail : [Gyro]'s got human feet (well, not exactly...
>> they still have 4 toes, but i'm sure you can find humans with
>> 4 toes :-))
>
> According to the Italian book about Barks (recently translated into German
> too), Barks showed Gyro's feet having *five* toes!
>
> This information is from Luca Boschi's quiz in the back of the book.

And I confirm! :-) maybe a Barks' panel shwing it is reproduced somewhere.

L.
Timo Ronkainen
Ahem.. Some clarification might be needed for this sentence of mine:

>Indeed this was the case, but it was pretty futile, since sometimes
>artist's notes were cut off before they (by this I mean ARTWORK) were given
>to colorist. (it would be silly to give cutted off notes to colorist :-)

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>From: Luca Boschi

>Oh, well, I didn't know that the book was translated in Germany...

It is! I just bought it for ?10, which was less expensive than I expected.
It looks fine and I'm looking forward to read it!

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Stefan Diös
Briefly dropping by on my semi-vacation, I find myself arriving just in
time for a question I can answer. Concerning the Swedish name/s of
Scrooge's grandfather/s:

GILLES:

> >>>But the story doesn't stop there!!! Titus McDuck was translated Titus Von
>Anka into Swedish. And guess what was Dingus' translation? Titus Von Ankka
>too ! ! !

DON:

> $crooge has two
>grandfathers, but the other is not named "McDuck". So, I'll bet the Swedish
>translator is a Duck expert (aren't you, Stefan?), and used that earlier
>name instead of my "Dingus". Good for him!!!!

Uh... well, yes, I was aware (through the Swedish edition of Gisle's book)
that Scrooge's grandfather had indeed been named Titus in one old story,
even though I didn't really know which story at the time when I
"translated" Don's tree. So, as Don suggests, it seemed natural to use the
same name. There are enough discrepancies anyway when you attempt a project
like this, so every time you do find some previous source of referral, you
happily cling to that opportunity whenever possible. I might add that the
Swedish language clearly distinguishes between paternal and maternal
grandfathers, so there was never a question whether this might have been
the other grandpa. (Meaning: There was, for once, no need for the confusion
we usually have with all the uncles in Duckburg!)

TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT:

While I'm writing, I seem to recall a question on DCML a while ago about
the colors of Duckburg's soccer team. And I believe that somebody answered
something like "Use whatever colors you like, just not red and yellow!".
Well, I found this a bit odd, for as far as I know, the designated colors
for this team ARE red and yellow nowadays, at least in Egmontland. Whenever
the team appears there's a note to colorists to use red and yellow, and I
think this usually comes through to the finished magazines at least in Sweden.

Maybe I misunderstood the question or the answer, or we might have another
major mystery to solve... Oh, the constant plague of being a
consistency-ridden Donaldist!

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Shad Z.
Disnet Adventures published a special comics issue this
summer, and here are the contents...

Matt Feazel's content page doodles are given story code JZ670

1) "Crank Out the Comics!", no code, 1 page.
Story and art by Matt Feazell.
Just an introduction to the Disney Adventures Super Comic
Special, featuring charactures of the cast. Maybe it is
considered an extension of JZ670.

2) Kim Possible: "Baby Sitter's Blues!", JZ665, 6 pages.
Story by Abby Denson. Pencils by Craig Rousseau. Inks by
Jeff Albrecht.
Other characters include Ron Stoppable, Doctor Drakken,
Shego, Rufus and Wade.

3) The Emperor's New Groove: "Hide 'n' Seek!", JZ520, 1
page.
Story by Steve Behling. Art by Steven Butler.
Characters include Pacha, Tipo and Chaca.

4) The Country Bears: "Band on the Run!", JZ668, 10 pages.
Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Steven Butler. Inks
by Jim Amash.
Characters include Ted Bedderhead, Fred Bedderhead, Zeb
Zoober, Tennessee O'Neal, Beary Barrington, Trixie St.
Claire, Big Al, Mr. Barrington, Roadie, Reed Thimple,
Officer Hamm, Officer Cheets and Mr. Slamboni.
This story is told in a "Chose Your Own Adventure"
format, with several different endings.
For those not familiar with The Country Bears, they are
the characters from the Disney World attraction "Country
Bear Jamboree."

5) The Emperor's New Groove: "Work of Art!", JZ518, 1
page.
Story by Steve Behling. Art by Steven Butler.
Characters include Kuzco.

6) Tarzan: "Mistaken Identity!", JZ432, 1 page.
Story by Greg Ehrbar. Pencils by Steven Butler. Inks by
Jeff Albrecht.
Other characters include Terk and Tantor.

7) Treasure Planet: "The Trouble with Pirates!", JZ672, 6
pages.
Story by Michael Stewart. Layouts & inks by Massimiliano
Narciso. Pencils by Alberto Zanon. Art assist by Dario
Calabria.
I'm not listing characters, because I don't know who any
of them are, since the movie doesn't come out until
November.

8) Spy Kids: "The Mysterious Many-Man!", JZ666, 4 pages.
Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Christine Norrie.
Spy Kids is not a Disney property, it is copyright
Miramax Film Corp.

9) Lilo & Stich: "Movie Mayhem!", JZ664, 6 pages.
Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Giovanni Rigano. Art
assist by Dario Calabria.
Other characters include David Kawena.

10) Aladdin: "Beat the Heat!", JZ213, 2 pages.
Story by Scott Saaverda. Pencils by Eduardo Savid. Inks
by Khato.
Other characters include Jasmine, Iago, Abu, Genie and
Carpet.

11) Tarzan: "Cab Grab!", JZ427, 1 page.
Story by Greg Ehrbar. Pencils by Steven Butler. Inks by
Jeff Albrecht.
Other characters include Jane Potter, Tantor and Terk.

12) Monsters, Inc.: "Boo Are You!", JZ669, 3 pages.
Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Al Bigley. Inks by
Jim Amash.
Characters include James P. 'Sulley' Sullivan ,
Michael 'Mike' Wazowski , and 'Boo'.

13) Mulan: "The Mighty Dragon!", JZ663, 8 pages.
Story by C. Van Osten. Pencils by P. Borges. Inks by A.
Lima.
Other characters include Mulan's ancestors, Mushu, Fa Li
(Mulan's mother), Grandmother Fa, Cri-Kee, Khan and the
Stone Dragon.

14) Timon & Pumbaa: "Whine & Dine!", JZ328, 4 pages.
Story by Jack Enyart. Art by Howard Simpson.

15) Toy Story 2: "To the Washing Machine -- and Beyond!",
JZ437, 8 pages.
Story by Victoria Saxon. Pencils by Phil Ortiz. Inks by
Scott Koblish.
Characters include Rex, Slinky Dog, Buzz Lightyear, the
Green Army Men, Woody, Bullseye, Bo Peep and Andy's mom.

16) The Last Laugh: "Comic Books You'll never See!",
JZ671, 1 page.
Written by John Green. Art by Charly La Greca.

Shad Z. ^Q^
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Shad Z.
Matt Feazel's content page doodles are given story code JZ677

1) The Hair Pair, JZ676, 1 page.
Story and art by Charly La Greca.
I thought I remembered seeing earlier Hair Pair stories
marked copyright Charly La Greca (meaning the Hair Pair
was not a Disney property). But I see no such marking
on this story, mayby my memory is wrong, or Disney has
bought the Hair Pair from Charly La Greca...
Characters include Squatty da Hamster and Bernerd da Guinea
Pig.

2) Jet Pack Pets: "The Big Cheese!", JZ673, 5 pages.
Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Scott Koblish.
Jet Pack Pets is not a Disney property, it is copyright
Michael Stewart & Garry Black.

3) Diseny's Tall Tales, JZ675, 1 page.
Writing and art by Glenn McCoy.
Characters include Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy.

4) Spy Kids 2: "Rodeo Ruckus!", JZ674, 5 pages.
Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Christine Norrie.
Spy Kids is not a Disney property, it is copyright
Miramax Film Corp.

5) Power Rangers Wild Force: "Double Trouble!", JZ678, 3
1/3 pages.
Story by John Green. Pencils by Steven Butler. Inks by Jim
Amash.
I though Power Rangers Wild Force was not a Disney
property, but was owned by Saban, a seperate company that
Disney acquired recently. But this story does not carry
a Saban copyright. I see two ways of interpeting that
fact:
1. The Saban copyright was left off by mistake.
2. Disney is dismantling Saban as a seperate company, and
is absorbing Saban's properties into the Disney name.
I have no way to know if 1 or 2 is correct at this time. But
if #2 is true, I guess that means old Power Ranger comic
book stories will have to be indexed and added to INDUCKS...
Characters include Max Cooper (Blue Ranger), Danny Delgado
(Black Ranger), Lt. Taylor Earhardt (Yellow Ranger), Cole
Evans (Red Ranger), Alyssa Enrile (White Ranger) and Master
Org.

6) The Last Laugh: "Watch out! Extremely Extreme Sports!",
JZ679, 1 page.
Written by John Green. Art by Charly La Greca.

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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Stefan Di?s <pyas at swipnet.se> skrev:

> I might add that the Swedish language clearly
> distinguishes between paternal and maternal
> grandfathers, so there was never a question
> whether this might have been the other grandpa.

Correct! The same goes for Norwegian and Danish.

> (Meaning: There was, for once, no need for the
> confusion we usually have with all the uncles
> in Duckburg!)

But at that point you Swedes really make it confusing,
by using "Farbror Joakim" and "Farbror Kalle" instead
of "Onkel" as in Norwegian and Danish. In the
Scandinavian languages "Farbror" normally means a
brother of the father so to be correct you should
actually have called them "Morbror Joakim" and
"Morbror Kalle" (brother of the mother) since they
both are the mothers brother of their nephews and
niece.

Sigvald :-)

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Sigvald :-) wrote

But at that point you Swedes really make it confusing,
by using "Farbror Joakim" and "Farbror Kalle" instead
of "Onkel" as in Norwegian and Danish. In the
Scandinavian languages "Farbror" normally means a
brother of the father so to be correct you should
actually have called them "Morbror Joakim" and
"Morbror Kalle" (brother of the mother) since they
both are the mothers brother of their nephews and
niece.

You don't have to rub it in. We have to live with it.
/Michael
Jussi Mantere
On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:

> But at that point you Swedes really make it confusing,
> by using "Farbror Joakim" and "Farbror Kalle" instead
> of "Onkel" as in Norwegian and Danish. In the
> Scandinavian languages "Farbror" normally means a

Well, exactly the same applies in Finnish, where "set?" means the brother
of the father, while "eno" is the correct word for the brother of the
mother. So, both $crooge and Donald should be "Roope-eno" and "Aku-eno"
instead of "-set?".

However, the translation mistake is quite understandable in both
languages. At least in Finnish, when HDL first appeared in the Taliaferro
strips, I'm quite sure that the translator had no idea of any family trees
or family histories, so he/she just translated "uncle" the way it sounded
better. Same applies to $crooge, I s'pose. And after calling them "set?"
for years or even decades, there'd be little point in changing the word.

(after all, I suspect that the false translation has lead to a point where
some Finnish children call all their uncles "set?" and don't even know the
word "eno", at least that applied to me when I was about 10 years old :)

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