Jussi Mantere <jmantere at niksula.hut.fi> wrote:
> Well, exactly the same applies in Finnish, where
> "set?" means the brother of the father, while "eno"
> is the correct word for the brother of the
> mother.
Thanks for this information!
We have now learned that:
set? = farbror (father's brother)
eno = morbror (mother's brother)
But do you also have a word for
onkel/uncle (father's brother + mother's brother +
husbands of any sisters of father and mother)?
Sigvald :-)
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Family Tree (Titus/Dingus)
Message 121 -
2002-08-20 at 11:21:37
Jussi Mantere
Family Tree (Titus/Dingus)
Message 122 -
2002-08-20 at 12:09:51
On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
> But do you also have a word for
> onkel/uncle (father's brother + mother's brother +
> husbands of any sisters of father and mother)?
As far as I know, no. So in Finland there would have been no way to use a
neutral word for $crooge and Don, while in Sweden they at least could have
used "onkel" :-)
(In practice, however, everyone understands if you just say "set?",
whatever the real word should be...)
--
. jussi mantere
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. mister, i ain't no boy, no i'm a man
.. and i believe in the promised land
> But do you also have a word for
> onkel/uncle (father's brother + mother's brother +
> husbands of any sisters of father and mother)?
As far as I know, no. So in Finland there would have been no way to use a
neutral word for $crooge and Don, while in Sweden they at least could have
used "onkel" :-)
(In practice, however, everyone understands if you just say "set?",
whatever the real word should be...)
--
. jussi mantere
. http://www.iki.fi/obs/
. mister, i ain't no boy, no i'm a man
.. and i believe in the promised land
Michael Schartau
Family Tree (Titus/Dingus)
Message 123 -
2002-08-20 at 12:34:08
Sigvald :-) wrote:
But at that point you Swedes really make it confusing,
by using "Farbror Joakim" and "Farbror Kalle" instead
of "Onkel" as in Norwegian and Danish. In the
Scandinavian languages "Farbror" normally means a
brother of the father so to be correct you should
actually have called them "Morbror Joakim" and
"Morbror Kalle" (brother of the mother) since they
both are the mothers brother of their nephews and
niece.
*****
I think one of the reasons Farbror got stuck in the swedish use is that besides the meaning of fathers brother it also means "k?nd elderly man".
It was not nice to hear a mother telling her child to "tacka farbrorn" in the meaning "Say thank to the man" when you only are 25 years old (as I recall it way back).
/Michael
But at that point you Swedes really make it confusing,
by using "Farbror Joakim" and "Farbror Kalle" instead
of "Onkel" as in Norwegian and Danish. In the
Scandinavian languages "Farbror" normally means a
brother of the father so to be correct you should
actually have called them "Morbror Joakim" and
"Morbror Kalle" (brother of the mother) since they
both are the mothers brother of their nephews and
niece.
*****
I think one of the reasons Farbror got stuck in the swedish use is that besides the meaning of fathers brother it also means "k?nd elderly man".
It was not nice to hear a mother telling her child to "tacka farbrorn" in the meaning "Say thank to the man" when you only are 25 years old (as I recall it way back).
/Michael
Fernando Ventura
An recent comic!
Message 124 -
2002-08-21 at 02:03:11
Somebody can get to me one edition of Disney Adventures Super Comics Special
nn (Comics 2002)?
I can send some brazilian edition in trade! Since it has an Mulan story by
brazilian artists, I'm really curious to see that! :-)
Fernando!
(just coming back from Porto Alegre, with a taped interview with Renato
Canini's!)
nn (Comics 2002)?
I can send some brazilian edition in trade! Since it has an Mulan story by
brazilian artists, I'm really curious to see that! :-)
Fernando!
(just coming back from Porto Alegre, with a taped interview with Renato
Canini's!)
DYER,SONIA (HP-Cupertino,ex1)
Origins of Barks surname
Message 125 -
2002-08-21 at 03:11:37
>Do anyone here know where the last name Barks has it's
>origin, and what it means??
>
>Sigvald :-)
The Oxford Dictionary of Surnames doesn't list the name "Barks", as it is
relatively uncommon. The closest thing to it is:
BARKER. English. Occupational name for a tanner of leather, from ME
bark(en), to tan, from the bark of a tree which was used in the process.
The word is Scandinavian in origin.
Sonia
>origin, and what it means??
>
>Sigvald :-)
The Oxford Dictionary of Surnames doesn't list the name "Barks", as it is
relatively uncommon. The closest thing to it is:
BARKER. English. Occupational name for a tanner of leather, from ME
bark(en), to tan, from the bark of a tree which was used in the process.
The word is Scandinavian in origin.
Sonia
Lgiver
Gilles Maurice "Calisota Online" new Scientists page
Message 126 -
2002-08-21 at 10:56:36
I had some time to look at Gilles Maurice website, especially his
interesting
new page on scientists in the duck and mouse comics. To answer his
question, yes, Professor Cosmic and Professor Gamma are in Barks'
Donald Duck story, "Rocket Race to the Moon" C&S #93, June, 1948.
It's reprinted in Issue 13 of Gladstone's Carl Barks Library of Disney
Comics & Stories. Professor Cosmic also signed the instructions for
the Liquid Isotopes that Donald drank in the Super Snooper stories by
both Barks and Rosa. Barks wrote a very similar rocket story 10 years
later,
"Around the World in 80 Minutes" for C&S #212, May, 1958 (reprinted
in Issue 35 of the Gladstone series). Here Gyro and his assistant,
Professor
Sliderule, build the rocket that Donald races around the world. In this
story
he races against Gladstone, whose rocket was built by Prof. Missilebug.
In both stories there is no winner. Donald also rides a rocket in "Missile
Fizzle", C&S #244, Jan. 1961 (reprinted in issue 41 of the Gladstone
series).
The evil Professor Slyrat has been blowing up the rockets, and 3 other
un-named "big-brained" scientists are shown on page 1, panel 3.
The "Swamp of No Return" Uncle Scrooge #57, May, 1965, has the
inventor of the teaching machine ray, Dr. Brainerd Brainmore. Scrooge
finances him to perfect his invention for a half-interest in the
copyrights, but
the Brutopian consul steals it.
Best wishes,
Larry Giver.
interesting
new page on scientists in the duck and mouse comics. To answer his
question, yes, Professor Cosmic and Professor Gamma are in Barks'
Donald Duck story, "Rocket Race to the Moon" C&S #93, June, 1948.
It's reprinted in Issue 13 of Gladstone's Carl Barks Library of Disney
Comics & Stories. Professor Cosmic also signed the instructions for
the Liquid Isotopes that Donald drank in the Super Snooper stories by
both Barks and Rosa. Barks wrote a very similar rocket story 10 years
later,
"Around the World in 80 Minutes" for C&S #212, May, 1958 (reprinted
in Issue 35 of the Gladstone series). Here Gyro and his assistant,
Professor
Sliderule, build the rocket that Donald races around the world. In this
story
he races against Gladstone, whose rocket was built by Prof. Missilebug.
In both stories there is no winner. Donald also rides a rocket in "Missile
Fizzle", C&S #244, Jan. 1961 (reprinted in issue 41 of the Gladstone
series).
The evil Professor Slyrat has been blowing up the rockets, and 3 other
un-named "big-brained" scientists are shown on page 1, panel 3.
The "Swamp of No Return" Uncle Scrooge #57, May, 1965, has the
inventor of the teaching machine ray, Dr. Brainerd Brainmore. Scrooge
finances him to perfect his invention for a half-interest in the
copyrights, but
the Brutopian consul steals it.
Best wishes,
Larry Giver.
Heike Und Sven
Finnish Postcards
Message 127 -
2002-08-21 at 14:52:14
Hi,
Today I have received the Aku Ankka 50th Anniversary stamps from the
Finnish post (thanks to the very kind Mr Hiekkavuo working there). I had
also ordered a set of postcards with Disney motifs. Since I do not speak
any Finnish, however, I cannot understand what is written on them. I
would appreciate it very much, if any of you kind Finns out there would
be willing to translate the texts.
1st motif: Donald labels some post packages and says, with a mean
expression on his face: Iloinen tervehdys ankkalinnasta!
2nd motif: Scrooge, swimming in his money bin, says: Aah! Olen j?lleen
rikas ja onnellinen! Nuorruin vuosikymmeni?!
3rd motif: Goofy, addressing the viewer, says: Hei, m? keksin ...
4th motif: Daisy, hitting Donald with her bag, says: Toden totta!
5th motif: The Beagle Boys, driving a car and looking very frightened,
say: Eijeijei! (Meaning "Oh, oh, oh!" I suppose).
And, if it is not too much to ask, maybe you can also translate what
else is written on the package containing the postcards:
On the back of the package: Pakkaus sis?lt?? viisi Aku Ankka-Aiheista
postikorttia.
Inside the package: Nyt on syyt? olla h?yhenet p?rh?ll??n! Aku
Ankka-lehti on tuonut unohtumattoman hauskoja lukuhetki? suomalaisille
jo so vuoden ajan. Juhlan kunniaksi Disney-hahmot riemastuttavat
viidess? hauskassa postikortissa. L?het? iloinen tervehdys yst?v?lle tai
k?yt? kortit omaksi iloksesi!
(Please forgive me that I have got the use of upper case / lower case
letters wrong. Most of the texts are written in upper case letters only.)
Thank you very much in advance
Sven
Today I have received the Aku Ankka 50th Anniversary stamps from the
Finnish post (thanks to the very kind Mr Hiekkavuo working there). I had
also ordered a set of postcards with Disney motifs. Since I do not speak
any Finnish, however, I cannot understand what is written on them. I
would appreciate it very much, if any of you kind Finns out there would
be willing to translate the texts.
1st motif: Donald labels some post packages and says, with a mean
expression on his face: Iloinen tervehdys ankkalinnasta!
2nd motif: Scrooge, swimming in his money bin, says: Aah! Olen j?lleen
rikas ja onnellinen! Nuorruin vuosikymmeni?!
3rd motif: Goofy, addressing the viewer, says: Hei, m? keksin ...
4th motif: Daisy, hitting Donald with her bag, says: Toden totta!
5th motif: The Beagle Boys, driving a car and looking very frightened,
say: Eijeijei! (Meaning "Oh, oh, oh!" I suppose).
And, if it is not too much to ask, maybe you can also translate what
else is written on the package containing the postcards:
On the back of the package: Pakkaus sis?lt?? viisi Aku Ankka-Aiheista
postikorttia.
Inside the package: Nyt on syyt? olla h?yhenet p?rh?ll??n! Aku
Ankka-lehti on tuonut unohtumattoman hauskoja lukuhetki? suomalaisille
jo so vuoden ajan. Juhlan kunniaksi Disney-hahmot riemastuttavat
viidess? hauskassa postikortissa. L?het? iloinen tervehdys yst?v?lle tai
k?yt? kortit omaksi iloksesi!
(Please forgive me that I have got the use of upper case / lower case
letters wrong. Most of the texts are written in upper case letters only.)
Thank you very much in advance
Sven
Ari Seppi
Finnish Postcards
Message 128 -
2002-08-21 at 19:23:02
Sven:
>I would appreciate it very much, if any of you kind Finns out there would
>be willing to translate the texts.
OK.
>1st motif: Donald labels some post packages and says, with a mean
>expression on his face: Iloinen tervehdys ankkalinnasta!
"Cheerful greeting from Duckburg!"
>2nd motif: Scrooge, swimming in his money bin, says: Aah! Olen j?lleen
>rikas ja onnellinen! Nuorruin vuosikymmeni?!
"Aah! I'm rich and happy again. I grew decades younger!"
>3rd motif: Goofy, addressing the viewer, says: Hei, m? keksin ...
"Hey, I figured it..."
>4th motif: Daisy, hitting Donald with her bag, says: Toden totta!
"True!"
>5th motif: The Beagle Boys, driving a car and looking very frightened,
>say: Eijeijei! (Meaning "Oh, oh, oh!" I suppose).
Yes, quite. "Nonono!" to be precise.
>On the back of the package: Pakkaus sis?lt?? viisi Aku Ankka-Aiheista
>postikorttia.
"The package contains five Aku Ankka -themed post cards."
>Inside the package: Nyt on syyt? olla h?yhenet p?rh?ll??n! Aku Ankka-lehti
>on tuonut unohtumattoman hauskoja lukuhetki? suomalaisille jo so vuoden
>ajan. Juhlan kunniaksi Disney-hahmot riemastuttavat viidess? hauskassa
>postikortissa. L?het? iloinen tervehdys yst?v?lle tai k?yt? kortit omaksi
>iloksesi!
"Now you have a good reason to ruffle your feathers! Aku Ankka -magazine
has brought unforgettably funny moments for Finns for 50 years. To
celebrate the occasion Disney characters delight in five funny post cards.
Send a happy greeting to a friend or use the cards for your own pleasure!"
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Winnie the Pooh is my great guru.
>I would appreciate it very much, if any of you kind Finns out there would
>be willing to translate the texts.
OK.
>1st motif: Donald labels some post packages and says, with a mean
>expression on his face: Iloinen tervehdys ankkalinnasta!
"Cheerful greeting from Duckburg!"
>2nd motif: Scrooge, swimming in his money bin, says: Aah! Olen j?lleen
>rikas ja onnellinen! Nuorruin vuosikymmeni?!
"Aah! I'm rich and happy again. I grew decades younger!"
>3rd motif: Goofy, addressing the viewer, says: Hei, m? keksin ...
"Hey, I figured it..."
>4th motif: Daisy, hitting Donald with her bag, says: Toden totta!
"True!"
>5th motif: The Beagle Boys, driving a car and looking very frightened,
>say: Eijeijei! (Meaning "Oh, oh, oh!" I suppose).
Yes, quite. "Nonono!" to be precise.
>On the back of the package: Pakkaus sis?lt?? viisi Aku Ankka-Aiheista
>postikorttia.
"The package contains five Aku Ankka -themed post cards."
>Inside the package: Nyt on syyt? olla h?yhenet p?rh?ll??n! Aku Ankka-lehti
>on tuonut unohtumattoman hauskoja lukuhetki? suomalaisille jo so vuoden
>ajan. Juhlan kunniaksi Disney-hahmot riemastuttavat viidess? hauskassa
>postikortissa. L?het? iloinen tervehdys yst?v?lle tai k?yt? kortit omaksi
>iloksesi!
"Now you have a good reason to ruffle your feathers! Aku Ankka -magazine
has brought unforgettably funny moments for Finns for 50 years. To
celebrate the occasion Disney characters delight in five funny post cards.
Send a happy greeting to a friend or use the cards for your own pleasure!"
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Winnie the Pooh is my great guru.
H.W.Fluks
Finnish Postcards
Message 129 -
2002-08-22 at 22:08:50
Ari translated:
> Iloinen tervehdys ankkalinnasta!
> Cheerful greeting from Duckburg!
>
> Hei, m? keksin ...
> Hey, I figured ...
>
> Pakkaus sis?lt?? viisi Aku Ankka-Aiheista postikorttia.
> The package contains five Aku Ankka -themed post cards.
Now here's the proof that Finnish can be *exactly* as long as English! In
spite of what most people think (that the Finnish language always needs more
space).
8-)
--Harry.
> Iloinen tervehdys ankkalinnasta!
> Cheerful greeting from Duckburg!
>
> Hei, m? keksin ...
> Hey, I figured ...
>
> Pakkaus sis?lt?? viisi Aku Ankka-Aiheista postikorttia.
> The package contains five Aku Ankka -themed post cards.
Now here's the proof that Finnish can be *exactly* as long as English! In
spite of what most people think (that the Finnish language always needs more
space).
8-)
--Harry.
Stefan Persson
Finnish Postcards
Message 130 -
2002-08-22 at 22:51:08
----- Original Message -----
From: <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: Finnish Postcards
> Ari translated:
>
> > Iloinen tervehdys ankkalinnasta!
> > Cheerful greeting from Duckburg!
> >
> > Hei, m? keksin ...
> > Hey, I figured ...
> >
> > Pakkaus sis?lt?? viisi Aku Ankka-Aiheista postikorttia.
> > The package contains five Aku Ankka -themed post cards.
>
> Now here's the proof that Finnish can be *exactly* as long as English! In
> spite of what most people think (that the Finnish language always needs
more
> space).
I think that one translation even was *shorter* than the Finnish quote. :-)
Stefan
From: <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: Finnish Postcards
> Ari translated:
>
> > Iloinen tervehdys ankkalinnasta!
> > Cheerful greeting from Duckburg!
> >
> > Hei, m? keksin ...
> > Hey, I figured ...
> >
> > Pakkaus sis?lt?? viisi Aku Ankka-Aiheista postikorttia.
> > The package contains five Aku Ankka -themed post cards.
>
> Now here's the proof that Finnish can be *exactly* as long as English! In
> spite of what most people think (that the Finnish language always needs
more
> space).
I think that one translation even was *shorter* than the Finnish quote. :-)
Stefan
Dan Shane
The $crooge McDuck Page has moved...
Message 131 -
2002-08-23 at 01:27:31
Howdy,
I just wanted to advise everyone that my ISP has updated their FTP and Web
servers, so I had to move THE $CROOGE McDUCK PAGE.
For now, I have a link on the old site that will take you to the new one,
but here is the new address:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
The old site will eventually disappear forever, so change your bookmarks now
so you don't get lost.
Dan Shane (danshane at bellsouth.net )
I just wanted to advise everyone that my ISP has updated their FTP and Web
servers, so I had to move THE $CROOGE McDUCK PAGE.
For now, I have a link on the old site that will take you to the new one,
but here is the new address:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
The old site will eventually disappear forever, so change your bookmarks now
so you don't get lost.
Dan Shane (danshane at bellsouth.net )
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
The $crooge McDuck Page has moved...
Message 132 -
2002-08-23 at 10:06:49
Dan Shane <danshane at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I just wanted to advise everyone that my ISP
> has updated their FTP and Web servers, so I
> had to move THE $CROOGE McDUCK PAGE.
Irritating! Now I'll have to update a lot of links on
my pages again. This is at least the second time you
move these pages. May I suggest that you could ask our
friend Thomas P. Lauritsen if he can provide WEB-space
for your great THE $CROOGE McDUCK PAGE on his
duckburg.dk server. You see he is very serious and
wouldn't delete or remove any Disney-pages he is a
host for.
> For now, I have a link on the old site that
> will take you to the new one, but here is
> the new address:
>
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
Well this one doesn't work right now.
By the way will you keep your mail-address this time?
Sigvald :-)
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> I just wanted to advise everyone that my ISP
> has updated their FTP and Web servers, so I
> had to move THE $CROOGE McDUCK PAGE.
Irritating! Now I'll have to update a lot of links on
my pages again. This is at least the second time you
move these pages. May I suggest that you could ask our
friend Thomas P. Lauritsen if he can provide WEB-space
for your great THE $CROOGE McDUCK PAGE on his
duckburg.dk server. You see he is very serious and
wouldn't delete or remove any Disney-pages he is a
host for.
> For now, I have a link on the old site that
> will take you to the new one, but here is
> the new address:
>
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
Well this one doesn't work right now.
By the way will you keep your mail-address this time?
Sigvald :-)
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S. McDuck Page
Message 133 -
2002-08-23 at 19:19:25
> Irritating! Now I'll have to update a lot of links on
> my pages again. This is at least the second time you
> move these pages.
I am sure they have been moved for a GOOD REASON.
I am just happy he has done the work.
Stop complaining!!
>
>
> > For now, I have a link on the old site that
> > will take you to the new one, but here is
> > the new address:
> >
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
>
> Well this one doesn't work right now.
It worked just for me Today!
> my pages again. This is at least the second time you
> move these pages.
I am sure they have been moved for a GOOD REASON.
I am just happy he has done the work.
Stop complaining!!
>
>
> > For now, I have a link on the old site that
> > will take you to the new one, but here is
> > the new address:
> >
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
>
> Well this one doesn't work right now.
It worked just for me Today!
Dan Shane
$crooge McDuck Page
Message 134 -
2002-08-23 at 19:21:17
Okay, the page is working again (for now). The ISP gave no explanation for
the outage, but I'm sure it could go up and down until their migration is
complete.
Everyone give it a try and let me know if it's working for you.
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
Dan Shane (danshane at bellsouth.net )
the outage, but I'm sure it could go up and down until their migration is
complete.
Everyone give it a try and let me know if it's working for you.
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm
Dan Shane (danshane at bellsouth.net )
Fernando Ventura
More Disney manga!
Message 135 -
2002-08-24 at 03:15:32
Hi!!!
I've read on www.omelete.com.br something about a new Disney manga: the
comic book version of Monsters Inc.
You can see this on that link:
http://www.tokyopop.com/dbpage.phppropertycode=MON&categorycode=BMG&page=int
roduction
It was wrote by Hiromi Yamafuji. (?!)
I don't know, but I understand that it'll be published in the US. One more
time, PLEASE, if some american wants to trade it with brazilian comics,
talk to me!!!
Someone knows more about it?
Fernando!
I've read on www.omelete.com.br something about a new Disney manga: the
comic book version of Monsters Inc.
You can see this on that link:
http://www.tokyopop.com/dbpage.phppropertycode=MON&categorycode=BMG&page=int
roduction
It was wrote by Hiromi Yamafuji. (?!)
I don't know, but I understand that it'll be published in the US. One more
time, PLEASE, if some american wants to trade it with brazilian comics,
talk to me!!!
Someone knows more about it?
Fernando!