Per Martinson wrote:
>Of course the artists of every comic is written out, but the only things>mentioned on covers, next nuber-pages and things like that is Barks or Rosa,
Don't forget Rota.
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Tomas Österman
Rosa books/albums
Message 16 -
2002-08-03 at 16:28:12
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1027 - 4 msgs
Message 17 -
2002-08-03 at 18:29:18
PER:
>
>I've never meant to really question his place as a duck-artist, I only
>think
>he has gotten too big space. For example, he is the only artist (except of
>Barks) that are mentioned as anything special in the Donald
>Duck-magazines,
>when there really is plenty good artists. I think this may also affect
>young
>readers, when one creator is, kind of subjectively, put as "the best",
>it's
>not fully obvious that it becomes questioned.
You're not exactly correct here - They do put Barks-classic on the cover -
and
Don Rosa 8last time a story was there the Don Rosa was even larger than
the usual "Walt Disney's")
but they also do commerce about Marco Rota-stories, Romano Scarpa and the
like.
They put these authors in the special summer and autumn-enlargement to
show that
this is special stuff - you shoulkd buy the weekly as it prints this stuff
from time to time.
In the summer-enlargements this year Jan Gullbrandson had a very long
story in one of the
3 enlargements.
So, admittedly Don is one of the names they put in the covers - but there
are others too
One can discuss then why Vicar or Branca aren't put on the cover, cause
they're drawings are
very good too IMHO, but I guess they simply appear to often in the weekly
to become considered special?
Gerd:
>
>
>Indeed, market research for the German weekly has repeatedly shown that
>Don Rosa's stories are among the most popular ones. And the readership
>consists mainly of boys at the age of 8 to 12 years, I believe.
I see - exactly the time when I was myself caught as a reader of the
weekly - in 1990 (10 years)
Rosas stories started to be printed in the weekly as I was starting to buy
it every week at a nearby shop.
>
>It is interesting to note, by the way, that Don's more historically
>oriented stories (e.g., the Lo$ series) seem to be be less popular with
>young readers than the "pure" gag or adventure stories.
Interesting you say? Interesting in the bad way i'd call it -
but it's the same case again - we all have different kind of favorites -
my absolute
preferred story by Don is one filled with historic references that i can
then look up and read
more about it - that's what i find great - that i can do that - knowing
that (almost) whatever fact I find
in his stories - I'll be able to find more about it in the encyclopedia,
on the net or somewhere else.
As i write in a probably published forword - that's also what made me go
find many more Barks-stories
than i had read - that I would find a reference to some treasure in a
Rosa-story and then want to find
the story where that treasure first occurred. Which would sometime require
a lot of searching in the
local second-hand-shop or in the Barks books at the library.
>
?yvind:
>
>At high school i could sit in lunch break reading Donald.
>Then somebody would ask: "Are you reading *Donald Duck*?"
>And I would respond: "It's a Don Rosa-story. Have you heard of him?"
>Then the response would either be "Err... I'm not sure",
>or *very* probably "Don Rosa? He's great! Can I read that after you?" :-)
>This is the reason that Egmont puts Don Rosa's name
>on the cover when they print one of his stories,
>because a lot of people will buy the comic only to read that story.
Great example!
I remember talking with a classmate in high school - mentioned
Don Rosa - as i had just been reading a comic by him - Jesper emidiatly
remembered
a funny detail from the chapter 11 of Lo$ about Scrooge he didn't need the
key for the city -
he already owned all the locks.
And then, when you talk with someone you suddenly know is a fellow fan,
then it usually
surprises the person, if not a fanatic, that America has now not had it's
own Duck comics for 5 years...
No Donald Duck comics in USA? You must be kidding me? Wasn't he invented
there? and so on...
One can only say yes, it's sad but true...
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
>
>I've never meant to really question his place as a duck-artist, I only
>think
>he has gotten too big space. For example, he is the only artist (except of
>Barks) that are mentioned as anything special in the Donald
>Duck-magazines,
>when there really is plenty good artists. I think this may also affect
>young
>readers, when one creator is, kind of subjectively, put as "the best",
>it's
>not fully obvious that it becomes questioned.
You're not exactly correct here - They do put Barks-classic on the cover -
and
Don Rosa 8last time a story was there the Don Rosa was even larger than
the usual "Walt Disney's")
but they also do commerce about Marco Rota-stories, Romano Scarpa and the
like.
They put these authors in the special summer and autumn-enlargement to
show that
this is special stuff - you shoulkd buy the weekly as it prints this stuff
from time to time.
In the summer-enlargements this year Jan Gullbrandson had a very long
story in one of the
3 enlargements.
So, admittedly Don is one of the names they put in the covers - but there
are others too
One can discuss then why Vicar or Branca aren't put on the cover, cause
they're drawings are
very good too IMHO, but I guess they simply appear to often in the weekly
to become considered special?
Gerd:
>
>
>Indeed, market research for the German weekly has repeatedly shown that
>Don Rosa's stories are among the most popular ones. And the readership
>consists mainly of boys at the age of 8 to 12 years, I believe.
I see - exactly the time when I was myself caught as a reader of the
weekly - in 1990 (10 years)
Rosas stories started to be printed in the weekly as I was starting to buy
it every week at a nearby shop.
>
>It is interesting to note, by the way, that Don's more historically
>oriented stories (e.g., the Lo$ series) seem to be be less popular with
>young readers than the "pure" gag or adventure stories.
Interesting you say? Interesting in the bad way i'd call it -
but it's the same case again - we all have different kind of favorites -
my absolute
preferred story by Don is one filled with historic references that i can
then look up and read
more about it - that's what i find great - that i can do that - knowing
that (almost) whatever fact I find
in his stories - I'll be able to find more about it in the encyclopedia,
on the net or somewhere else.
As i write in a probably published forword - that's also what made me go
find many more Barks-stories
than i had read - that I would find a reference to some treasure in a
Rosa-story and then want to find
the story where that treasure first occurred. Which would sometime require
a lot of searching in the
local second-hand-shop or in the Barks books at the library.
>
?yvind:
>
>At high school i could sit in lunch break reading Donald.
>Then somebody would ask: "Are you reading *Donald Duck*?"
>And I would respond: "It's a Don Rosa-story. Have you heard of him?"
>Then the response would either be "Err... I'm not sure",
>or *very* probably "Don Rosa? He's great! Can I read that after you?" :-)
>This is the reason that Egmont puts Don Rosa's name
>on the cover when they print one of his stories,
>because a lot of people will buy the comic only to read that story.
Great example!
I remember talking with a classmate in high school - mentioned
Don Rosa - as i had just been reading a comic by him - Jesper emidiatly
remembered
a funny detail from the chapter 11 of Lo$ about Scrooge he didn't need the
key for the city -
he already owned all the locks.
And then, when you talk with someone you suddenly know is a fellow fan,
then it usually
surprises the person, if not a fanatic, that America has now not had it's
own Duck comics for 5 years...
No Donald Duck comics in USA? You must be kidding me? Wasn't he invented
there? and so on...
One can only say yes, it's sad but true...
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Per Starback
Celebrating
Message 18 -
2002-08-03 at 20:43:00
H.W.Fluks at kpn.com writes:
> > Does that mean that a big anniversary is coming up? :)
>
> If so, that would be on August 3rd, exactly 10 years after the first mail
> message was sent.
Which is today! Hooray!
The list archive from this earliest time of the mailing list hasn't
been available for a long time, but now, because of this anniversary,
I've made the first months available. The earliest history of this
mailing list is now at
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/1992-August/date.html>
> > Does that mean that a big anniversary is coming up? :)
>
> If so, that would be on August 3rd, exactly 10 years after the first mail
> message was sent.
Which is today! Hooray!
The list archive from this earliest time of the mailing list hasn't
been available for a long time, but now, because of this anniversary,
I've made the first months available. The earliest history of this
mailing list is now at
<http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/1992-August/date.html>
Fernando Ventura
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :-D
Message 19 -
2002-08-03 at 21:59:01
Happy Birthdat to al from the DCML!!! :-)
TEN YEARS!!!
The happiest place to discuss Disney Comics in the world! (Or, at least,
Duck stories...)
I hope this classic old messages into the August 2002 place on the archives
don't make us crazy, triyng to answer then!
I think today it's a great day! I'll go buy an cake and be right back! ;-)
Fernando!
since 1999 into DCML
Luca Boschi: Did you received my message about this topic? (the birthday!)
TEN YEARS!!!
The happiest place to discuss Disney Comics in the world! (Or, at least,
Duck stories...)
I hope this classic old messages into the August 2002 place on the archives
don't make us crazy, triyng to answer then!
I think today it's a great day! I'll go buy an cake and be right back! ;-)
Fernando!
since 1999 into DCML
Luca Boschi: Did you received my message about this topic? (the birthday!)
Oyvind J. Karstad
Rosa books/albums
Message 20 -
2002-08-04 at 01:31:22
Ari Seppi wrote:
>Yes, some people are too fanatic, either in loving or in hating Don
>and his work. (Sometimes they can even be funny as readers of
>a Finnish comics newsgroup know, but that is beside the point.)
>I didn't take ?yvind for one, I assumed that his sigh was about
>the fight that might start once again and not about Per's opinions.
Yes, that was also one reason I responded like that.
The very few instances of flame wars in this group,
have come after posts like that.
And I don't say that it have (only) been the original posters' faults.
Per Martinson wrote:
>The space I meant wasn't in first place the space
>in the magazines, but outside them, for example the possibilities
>to to be published in books and albums.
In Norway at least, there have been published several albums/
large comic books, reprinting stories from the 70's/80's.
The Italian stories are reprinted in extra large pocket books.
Barks, Marco Rota and others have had their own albums,
published as part of the "Best stories from Donald Duck & co."-series.
The only "Rosa-only" publication we have seen here is the Lo$-book.
I don't know anything about "possibilities" for Egmont to publish Rosa-albums
(though I certainly hope they will get to it sometimes).
Maybe you got some information that I'm not aware of?
>>Then, apparently they have determined that sales go up
>>with Barks or Rosa mentioned on the cover....
>Probalby you are right, but does it mean
>they cannot mention anyone other?
I agree with you here, though it would be ridiculous
to mention every new Vicar or Branca story on the cover.
I think Marco Rota has been mentioned a couple of times.
Which artists/authors would you suggest should get this honour?
BTW, one of the reasons that Don Rosa is mentioned on the cover all the time,
is probably that his stories are so few and far between.
Something else, while I remember:
Olaf Solstrand: When will your first story be published?
?yvind
>Yes, some people are too fanatic, either in loving or in hating Don
>and his work. (Sometimes they can even be funny as readers of
>a Finnish comics newsgroup know, but that is beside the point.)
>I didn't take ?yvind for one, I assumed that his sigh was about
>the fight that might start once again and not about Per's opinions.
Yes, that was also one reason I responded like that.
The very few instances of flame wars in this group,
have come after posts like that.
And I don't say that it have (only) been the original posters' faults.
Per Martinson wrote:
>The space I meant wasn't in first place the space
>in the magazines, but outside them, for example the possibilities
>to to be published in books and albums.
In Norway at least, there have been published several albums/
large comic books, reprinting stories from the 70's/80's.
The Italian stories are reprinted in extra large pocket books.
Barks, Marco Rota and others have had their own albums,
published as part of the "Best stories from Donald Duck & co."-series.
The only "Rosa-only" publication we have seen here is the Lo$-book.
I don't know anything about "possibilities" for Egmont to publish Rosa-albums
(though I certainly hope they will get to it sometimes).
Maybe you got some information that I'm not aware of?
>>Then, apparently they have determined that sales go up
>>with Barks or Rosa mentioned on the cover....
>Probalby you are right, but does it mean
>they cannot mention anyone other?
I agree with you here, though it would be ridiculous
to mention every new Vicar or Branca story on the cover.
I think Marco Rota has been mentioned a couple of times.
Which artists/authors would you suggest should get this honour?
BTW, one of the reasons that Don Rosa is mentioned on the cover all the time,
is probably that his stories are so few and far between.
Something else, while I remember:
Olaf Solstrand: When will your first story be published?
?yvind
Geir J. Netland
Rosa books/albums
Message 21 -
2002-08-04 at 02:14:16
>The only "Rosa-only" publication we have seen here is the Lo$-book.
>I don't know anything about "possibilities" for Egmont to publish
Rosa-albums
>(though I certainly hope they will get to it sometimes).
Back in 1994 I asked Anne Fløtaker (former editor of DD&co) about
possibilities for Rosa-albums.
The answer then was, and probably still is, "Albums don't sell in Norway."
____________
Geir J. Netland
>I don't know anything about "possibilities" for Egmont to publish
Rosa-albums
>(though I certainly hope they will get to it sometimes).
Back in 1994 I asked Anne Fløtaker (former editor of DD&co) about
possibilities for Rosa-albums.
The answer then was, and probably still is, "Albums don't sell in Norway."
____________
Geir J. Netland
Olivier
10 Years of DCML
Message 22 -
2002-08-04 at 13:01:29
Hi everyone!
I am very sorry I'm one day late.
Congratulations to the DCML!
Thank you very much for setting it up & maintaining it, Per!
And thank you to all the members for informative discussions!
I have only been on the list for-- I can't even tell, 2 years?-- and unfortunately I have less and
less time to join in the discussions and have a hard time catching up, but I certainly intend to
remain and do my best to help whenever possible.
And I hope we will all be here to celebrate another 10 years!
Best wishes to all,
Olivier
: )
I am very sorry I'm one day late.
Congratulations to the DCML!
Thank you very much for setting it up & maintaining it, Per!
And thank you to all the members for informative discussions!
I have only been on the list for-- I can't even tell, 2 years?-- and unfortunately I have less and
less time to join in the discussions and have a hard time catching up, but I certainly intend to
remain and do my best to help whenever possible.
And I hope we will all be here to celebrate another 10 years!
Best wishes to all,
Olivier
: )
Paolo Castagno
Brigitta and good quality books
Message 23 -
2002-08-04 at 13:48:50
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se
> [mailto:dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se]Per
> conto di Brigitta McDuck
Hey, shouldn't your name be "Brigitta McBridge"? Or is there
something new in the Duck family?
;-)
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
> Da: dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se
> [mailto:dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se]Per
> conto di Brigitta McDuck
Hey, shouldn't your name be "Brigitta McBridge"? Or is there
something new in the Duck family?
;-)
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
Frank Bubacz
Brigitta
Message 24 -
2002-08-04 at 16:50:50
>Hey, shouldn't your name be "Brigitta McBridge"? Or is there
>something new in the Duck family?
Dunno about that. But if it happens one day, I'm sure we'll have a Brigitta
McDuck-McBridge. :-)
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>something new in the Duck family?
Dunno about that. But if it happens one day, I'm sure we'll have a Brigitta
McDuck-McBridge. :-)
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Brigitta
Message 25 -
2002-08-04 at 20:26:46
----Original Message-----
From: "Frank Bubacz"<frankbubacz at hotmail.com>
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Date: Sun Aug 04 06:50:50 PDT 2002
Subject: Re: Brigitta
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To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Date: Sun Aug 04 06:50:50 PDT 2002
Subject: Re: Brigitta
Chuck Munson
Happy Anniversary, DCML List!
Message 26 -
2002-08-05 at 02:03:38
Hi all,
Happy anniversary to the DCML, a great forum for the
subject we all love.(Of course, we all also know the
incredibly ironic situation of we English-speaking
fans, but this at least keeps us in touch with what's
going on elsewhere in the world of Disney comics.)
Keep up with the questions, continue the research,
spread the info - promote the interest that makes the
fans of Disney comics an interesting, unique group.
Take care,
Chuck Munson
Oak Hill, Virginia, USA
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Happy anniversary to the DCML, a great forum for the
subject we all love.(Of course, we all also know the
incredibly ironic situation of we English-speaking
fans, but this at least keeps us in touch with what's
going on elsewhere in the world of Disney comics.)
Keep up with the questions, continue the research,
spread the info - promote the interest that makes the
fans of Disney comics an interesting, unique group.
Take care,
Chuck Munson
Oak Hill, Virginia, USA
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Family Tree Portraits
Message 27 -
2002-08-05 at 10:41:29
Hi all!
In 2000 and 2001 the scandinavian weeklies published
"Family Tree Portraits" based upon Don Rosa's Duck
Family Tree. I have tried to create a list of all
these "Family Tree Portraits", but there are 4
portraits I haven't yet found. These are:
- HD&Ls mother, Della Duck
- HD&Ls father
- Daisy Duck
- April, May and June Duck
Can anyone here please help me. I need to know in
which issues of Donald Duck & Co I'll find these
portraits and also in which page if possible.
Sigvald :-)
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In 2000 and 2001 the scandinavian weeklies published
"Family Tree Portraits" based upon Don Rosa's Duck
Family Tree. I have tried to create a list of all
these "Family Tree Portraits", but there are 4
portraits I haven't yet found. These are:
- HD&Ls mother, Della Duck
- HD&Ls father
- Daisy Duck
- April, May and June Duck
Can anyone here please help me. I need to know in
which issues of Donald Duck & Co I'll find these
portraits and also in which page if possible.
Sigvald :-)
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Brigitta
Message 28 -
2002-08-05 at 10:44:07
Frank Bubacz <frankbubacz at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey, shouldn't your name be "Brigitta McBridge"?
>> Or is there something new in the Duck family?
>
> Dunno about that. But if it happens one day, I'm
> sure we'll have a Brigitta McDuck-McBridge. :-)
Only over Glittering Goldie O'Gilt's dead
body...
Sigvald :-)
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>> Hey, shouldn't your name be "Brigitta McBridge"?
>> Or is there something new in the Duck family?
>
> Dunno about that. But if it happens one day, I'm
> sure we'll have a Brigitta McDuck-McBridge. :-)
Only over Glittering Goldie O'Gilt's dead
body...
Sigvald :-)
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VIRUS
Message 29 -
2002-08-05 at 19:52:38
I have received something which I believe is a virus from a member of DCML.
So it seems likely that someone on this list has got a virus on his or her
computer.
>From: *censored* <***@***>
>To: reimersholme at hotmail.com
>Subject: W32.Klez.E removal tools
>Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:04:37 -0300 (ADT)
>
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computer.
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>Subject: W32.Klez.E removal tools
>Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:04:37 -0300 (ADT)
>
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Arne Voigtmann
Rosa books/albums
Message 30 -
2002-08-06 at 13:24:46
Here in Germany there have been four album series dedicated to a
special artist up to now.
The first and biggest one is the "Barks Library", which is taken over
from the Gladstone album series (and has been extended a little bit).
Then there war a William Van Horn album series, which was
unfortunately canceled after no. 7.
Then there's the Don Rosa album series, which includes 27 albums up
to now.
And there's a Daan Jippes album series with four albums up to
now.
So it's not just Don Rosa and Carl Barks who the editors take care
off.
In "Die tollsten Geschichten von Donald Duck" nearly every artist is
mentioned on the cover, Vicar, Branca, Rosa, Barks, Jippes, Van Horn
etc. And there are articles about several artists.
It's true that Don Rosa and Carl Barks are mentioned more often, but
that's just what many (or even most?) of the readers want.
Arne.
special artist up to now.
The first and biggest one is the "Barks Library", which is taken over
from the Gladstone album series (and has been extended a little bit).
Then there war a William Van Horn album series, which was
unfortunately canceled after no. 7.
Then there's the Don Rosa album series, which includes 27 albums up
to now.
And there's a Daan Jippes album series with four albums up to
now.
So it's not just Don Rosa and Carl Barks who the editors take care
off.
In "Die tollsten Geschichten von Donald Duck" nearly every artist is
mentioned on the cover, Vicar, Branca, Rosa, Barks, Jippes, Van Horn
etc. And there are articles about several artists.
It's true that Don Rosa and Carl Barks are mentioned more often, but
that's just what many (or even most?) of the readers want.
Arne.