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>Sorry to interrupt your argumentation, Timo, but Ub Iwerks was of Danish
>descent afaik.

Very much possible, I'm relying only on my memory here.. which isn't the
very best :-)
Maybe someone have hard facts on hand?

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Harry:

> AFA*I*K, Iwerks is of Frisian origin. Dutch-Frisian, that is. "Ub" is short
> for "Ubbe" or "Ubbo", a typical Frisian name.

Isn't there such a thing as North Frisian? :-)

OK, seems you are right. His full original name was Ubbe Ert Iwwerks.
Sorry for the confusion!

Gerd

Don:

me> Even Don Rosa does now draw nipples.
>
> Um... let's make sure that you point out that you meant to write "not"
> rather than "now". Somewhat of a difference...

Ooops! I did indeed mean to write "Even Don Rosa does NOT draw nipples"!

--Harry.

HARRY and GILLES:

> 1. "Sirse" is spelled the wrong way. Circe would look like KIPKH in
> Greek.

That's right (of course). But maybe Gilles has copied this spelling from
Don Rosa's "Treasury of Croesus", in which "Syrse", "Kroesos" en
"Midos" are spelled the wrong way. Croesus would be KPOISOS and
Midas MIDAS. (Replace S for Greek Sigma, which looks like an M on
its side, and D for triangular Greek Delta. The P in KPOISOS is of
course Greek Rho.) There's another 'Greek' word on the wall that
doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a bit of a pity that Rosa, for all his research, let slip this little mistake
into his story. But then, how many people can read Greek, so that they
would notice? And then, there's a sufficient number of Greek-reading
people on this list to have maybe already mentioned it. (Does this
sentence make any sense?)

I don't know how Circe is pronounced in English and French, but I
would guess that both C's are pronounced like tsj or cc in capuccino,
which would make up for both Don and Gilles rendering the C's like
Sigma's. The original Greek Kirke is pronounced with two hard K's, and
that's how the Romans must have pronounced it too. (CIRCE is just the
Roman transcription (switch from one alphabeth to the other) of Greek
KIPKH. The Roman C was originally pronounced like the hard Greek
Kappa. CAESAR was not pronounced like English 'Sea-sar', but more
like German Kaiser, which is, of course, derived from it.)

Gilles, I really like your drawings! (Or is it just one drawing, caught
twice in the process of coming to be? It is, isn't it?)

>> Have you NEVER seen this drawing done by Don Rosa:
>> {HYPERLINK "http://fandrawings.duckburg.dk/ebay_magica.jpg"}http://fandrawings.duckburg.dk/ebay_magica.jpg ?
> Even Don Rosa does now draw nipples.

Can't see any nipple in that picture, though. Birds (ducks) don't have
any, by the way.

I believe that the (Dutch) assumption that Gyro is a crane at least dates
back to the 1980's, for that's when I read the DD-weekly and that's
what I always thought (Gyro being a crane). It's at least as plausible an
assumption as the chicken-theory. Gyro doesn't look like either bird!
(Well, he is a tall white bird with long legs, but he has not a very crane-
like beak. Neither has he wobbly red chicken-thingies, for which I won't
bother to look up the correct English translation right now, on his head
and beak.)

Last remark: In Don Rosa's "W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.",
there appears a grey-haired Gyro-like bird at the 'examination-court' of
the Junior Woodchucks. I thought that this bird might be Gyro's father
Fulton Gearloose. (Could someone give me the full version of the
acrostichon in the title? I only got as far as 'When Huey And Dewey
And Louie...')

Michiel Prior.

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Claudio Eckert" <c_seiten at hotmail.com>
An: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. August 2002 17:01
Betreff: Gyro

> As far as I can remember, Carl Barks said (when he was a reader of DCML
and
> we had a similar discussion here) that Gyro is a chicken.

Just found out about that thread.
Claudio is right - Barks actually said that Gyro was a chicken - to a friend
of mine, in person! ;-)
I have it on tape, and the interview should be found somewhere on the net.

(You can rely that to the Italien and Dutch editors ;-)))

Best
Harald

I just read the latest Scarpa story in the finnish AKU
ANKKA where Scrooge, the boys and that rich Italian
stalker voman go looking for a treasure.

In that story Srooge and the lady are honorary JWs
and wear hats like Mr Baden-Powell once did. Secondly
they all wear neckerchiefs which is something i dont
remember seeing at least in any Rosa stories, how
about Barks?

So in the Italian production are JWs thought to be
scouts. How about in other coutries? In Finland JWs
are translated to cub scouts and they are thought to
be scouts. (think of all the seven-year-olds who want
to become generals:)

I remember reading that Mr Barks said that JW
organisation is somewhat close to scouts (read: makes
fun of it) but it's not the same.

Jyri Lehtinen
from sunny Tampere,
thank god it's raining tomorrow

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I submitted this before but it was never acknowledged.
In my conversations with Carl and questioning his origins, he indicated that
his family did indeed come from Holland.
Even though the name does not sound Dutch there are many instances of
immigration officials, if they did not understand a name, supplied one of
their own. It is possible that with a similar sounding name they
phonetically wrote Barks.
gwtank at atiinternet.com

Gerd:

To avoid confusion, here's a summary about Frisia (Friesland) and the
Frisian language(s), from west to east:

1. Westfriesland, Netherlands. A part of the province of Noord-Holland. No
Frisian spoken since the middle ages.

2. Friesland, a province in the Netherlands. Frisian is an official language
there.

3. Groningen, a province in the Netherlands. No Frisian spoken since the
middle ages, though many people carry Frisian names.

4. Ostfriesland, in Germany (Niedersachsen). No Frisian spoken since the
middle ages, though many people carry Frisian names.

5. Saterland, in Germany (Niedersachsen, near Friesoythe). A Frisian dialect
is still spoken there.

6. Nordfriesland, part of Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. Frisian dialects are
still spoken there.

I only mentioned areas where "Friesland" is in the name, or where Frisian is
spoken.
I noticed (last month when I was in Germany) that Germans call Ostfriesland
(4) also simply "Friesland", making things quite complex when talking with a
Dutchman.

So we can have people
- coming from an area called "Friesland" (Otto Waalkes),
- talking a Frisian language (Ubbo Emmius), or
- carrying a Frisian name (Daan Jippes).
And all combinations of these are possible...

Now back to what Gerd wrote:

> Harry:
>
> > AFA*I*K, Iwerks is of Frisian origin.
>
> Indeed. I did a search for "Iwwerks" in the German phone book
> (http://www.telefonbuch.de) and found 57 people carrying that
> name, most
> of them living in East Frisia (that's a region on the German North Sea
> coast between the Dutch border and the city of Oldenburg).

I originally said that Ub Iwerks is of *Dutch*-Frisian origin. But since we
only have his name (and not his original language or country), Iwerks can
originate from 2 or 4 (or even from one of the others). I got the
information that Iwerks is Dutch from a Dutch book...

> (BTW, a search for "Barks" yields only 8 hits and a search for "Fluks"
> no more than 3. You can't be much of a Frisian, it seems. :-))

That's a strange conclusion, when you know the above. I am from 3
(Groningen), and my official first name "Harke" is Frisian. I'd say I am
"much of a Frisian", indeed (but also "much of non-Frisians").

Back to Disney comics...

--Harry.
(Married in 1729: Br?ne Derks from Oostvriesland + Engel Wilken from
Oldenborgerlant - arrived in Groningen in 1730 - their grandchildren took
the name Fluks in 1811)