SIGVALD:
> send a mail to whoever is the host of the infected Greek in Korinth and ask
> them to end their services for that bas....
I don't want to sound critical, but considering that said bas... could
well be some unlucky person who has no idea that his machine has been
infected, shouldn't you be a bit more reserved in your judgment regarding
his ancestry? It's not as if they're sending the viruses intentionally!
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Topic: 200210
(164 messages)
Kriton Kyrimis
I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!!
Message 121 -
2002-10-27 at 19:04:44
Sigvald
Virsues sent to Soren Krarup Olesen
Message 122 -
2002-10-27 at 19:14:01
Hi all!
Today I found 2 new viruses in my mail-box. As requested I have now sent them over to Søren Krarup Olesen in order to have him hunting down and terminate the mail-accaunt of that Gree bas.... in Korinth who is behind this.
Sigvald :-)
Today I found 2 new viruses in my mail-box. As requested I have now sent them over to Søren Krarup Olesen in order to have him hunting down and terminate the mail-accaunt of that Gree bas.... in Korinth who is behind this.
Sigvald :-)
Georges
...virus shit!!!
Message 123 -
2002-10-27 at 19:19:46
KRITON:
> I don't want to sound critical, but considering that said bas... could
> well be some unlucky person who has no idea that his machine has been
> infected, shouldn't you be a bit more reserved in your judgment regarding
> his ancestry? It's not as if they're sending the viruses intentionally!
Just what I think, too.
Georges
> I don't want to sound critical, but considering that said bas... could
> well be some unlucky person who has no idea that his machine has been
> infected, shouldn't you be a bit more reserved in your judgment regarding
> his ancestry? It's not as if they're sending the viruses intentionally!
Just what I think, too.
Georges
Rich Bellacera
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1112 - 10 msgs
Message 124 -
2002-10-27 at 21:20:43
>
> Subject:
>
> I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!!
> From:
>
> sigvald at duckburg.dk
>
>
>
>Hi all!
>
>Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!!
>
I'm just glad you are not experiencing what I was getting back when I
used my "xephyr at jps.net" address. My mailbox was constantly filling up
with more than 90 virus-infected e-mails each day, and as soon as I
would delete the e-mails it would start them coming again, each time
using up my allotted server-space. At first I hoped that by NOT
receiving and deleting the e-mails, those that exceeded my space would
bounce back to the offending harddrive and the person would get a clue
that their harddrive was infected, but after several weeks I finally
just closed out that e-mail address and moved on to a new one. It was a
hopeless battle to which I finally had to surrender.
-Rich Bellacera
> Subject:
>
> Des personnages "historiques"
> From:
>
> goofy313g at aol.com
>
>
>
>If someone needs scans, Rich for instance, i'll be happy to make you some...
>
Thanks for the offer Gilles, but the list you posted sounds exactly like
the images listed in two hardbound editions I have called "BEST COMICS:
Mickey Mouse" & "BEST COMICS: Donald Duck." The section where they are
featured is called "Mickey's Guide to Familiar Walt Disney Comic
Characters." Some are in Black&White and others in color. Oddly, it
was these characters which first inspired me to tackle a guide to Disney
Characters, and when the Mailing List's pre-incarnation (back in 1992)
came along, the fuse was lit because all these wonderful people seemed
to love Disney comics too! :-) I also have the hardbound edition of
"BEST COMICS: Animated Deatures and Silly Symphonies," but that section,
and the following one called "Graphic Development: 1930 - 1970" which
shows the way Mickey and others' appearances changed over the years, and
the introduction by Floyd Gottfredson, as well as the list of character
names translated into different languages is not included.
I'm sure to be hitting some folks up for scans in the near future though.
Thanks,
-Rich Bellacera
> Subject:
>
> I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!!
> From:
>
> sigvald at duckburg.dk
>
>
>
>Hi all!
>
>Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!!
>
I'm just glad you are not experiencing what I was getting back when I
used my "xephyr at jps.net" address. My mailbox was constantly filling up
with more than 90 virus-infected e-mails each day, and as soon as I
would delete the e-mails it would start them coming again, each time
using up my allotted server-space. At first I hoped that by NOT
receiving and deleting the e-mails, those that exceeded my space would
bounce back to the offending harddrive and the person would get a clue
that their harddrive was infected, but after several weeks I finally
just closed out that e-mail address and moved on to a new one. It was a
hopeless battle to which I finally had to surrender.
-Rich Bellacera
> Subject:
>
> Des personnages "historiques"
> From:
>
> goofy313g at aol.com
>
>
>
>If someone needs scans, Rich for instance, i'll be happy to make you some...
>
Thanks for the offer Gilles, but the list you posted sounds exactly like
the images listed in two hardbound editions I have called "BEST COMICS:
Mickey Mouse" & "BEST COMICS: Donald Duck." The section where they are
featured is called "Mickey's Guide to Familiar Walt Disney Comic
Characters." Some are in Black&White and others in color. Oddly, it
was these characters which first inspired me to tackle a guide to Disney
Characters, and when the Mailing List's pre-incarnation (back in 1992)
came along, the fuse was lit because all these wonderful people seemed
to love Disney comics too! :-) I also have the hardbound edition of
"BEST COMICS: Animated Deatures and Silly Symphonies," but that section,
and the following one called "Graphic Development: 1930 - 1970" which
shows the way Mickey and others' appearances changed over the years, and
the introduction by Floyd Gottfredson, as well as the list of character
names translated into different languages is not included.
I'm sure to be hitting some folks up for scans in the near future though.
Thanks,
-Rich Bellacera
Sigvald
"war" against "virus-terrorism"
Message 125 -
2002-10-27 at 21:51:42
Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com> wrote:
>> Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses
>> with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now
>> about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this
>> is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!!
>
> I'm just glad you are not experiencing what I was getting
> back when I used my "xephyr at jps.net" address. My mailbox
> was constantly filling up with more than 90 virus-infected
> e-mails each day, and as soon as I would delete the e-mails
> it would start them coming again, each time using up my
> allotted server-space. At first I hoped that by NOT
> receiving and deleting the e-mails, those that exceeded my
> space would bounce back to the offending harddrive and the
> person would get a clue that their harddrive was infected,
> but after several weeks I finally just closed out that
> e-mail address and moved on to a new one. It was a hopeless
> battle to which I finally had to surrender.
Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go get that son of a b.... Soren!!!
Sigvald :-)
>> Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses
>> with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now
>> about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this
>> is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!!
>
> I'm just glad you are not experiencing what I was getting
> back when I used my "xephyr at jps.net" address. My mailbox
> was constantly filling up with more than 90 virus-infected
> e-mails each day, and as soon as I would delete the e-mails
> it would start them coming again, each time using up my
> allotted server-space. At first I hoped that by NOT
> receiving and deleting the e-mails, those that exceeded my
> space would bounce back to the offending harddrive and the
> person would get a clue that their harddrive was infected,
> but after several weeks I finally just closed out that
> e-mail address and moved on to a new one. It was a hopeless
> battle to which I finally had to surrender.
Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go get that son of a b.... Soren!!!
Sigvald :-)
Dreischel
"war" against "virus-terrorism"
Message 126 -
2002-10-27 at 22:02:35
Dear SIGVALD :-)
Please stop this bullshit.
Thank you!
Dorilys
> Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you
that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup
Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier
today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go
get that son of a b.... Soren!!!
>
> Sigvald :-)
Please stop this bullshit.
Thank you!
Dorilys
> Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you
that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup
Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier
today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go
get that son of a b.... Soren!!!
>
> Sigvald :-)
Stefan Persson
Sigvald's boring OT discussion
Message 127 -
2002-10-27 at 22:31:48
----- Original Message -----
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:51 PM
Subject: "war" against "virus-terrorism"
> Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you
that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup
Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier
today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go
get that son of a b.... Soren!!!
FYI, here is a quote from http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml:
>>>
About DCML
Discussion about Disney comics.
Here you can also find lots of information on Disney comics collected from
members of the list.
<<<
That is, it doesn't mention anything about virus discussions. So stop
sending such mails when you don't even know if the sender has anything to do
with this list!
Stefan
From: <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:51 PM
Subject: "war" against "virus-terrorism"
> Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you
that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup
Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier
today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go
get that son of a b.... Soren!!!
FYI, here is a quote from http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml:
>>>
About DCML
Discussion about Disney comics.
Here you can also find lots of information on Disney comics collected from
members of the list.
<<<
That is, it doesn't mention anything about virus discussions. So stop
sending such mails when you don't even know if the sender has anything to do
with this list!
Stefan
Per Starback
Viruses
Message 128 -
2002-10-27 at 22:52:10
It's good to see that you are trying to find the infected computers,
and that the IP has been determined. (I've checked if there is a
member of the DCML with such an adress or if someone has accessed
subscription pages for the DCML with that IP, but no.)
But now when that is done I don't think anything more needs to be said
about this off-topic subject here, except I'd like to answer Rob
Kleins question
> Is this virus that is circulating through our list group carried by
> receiving the digested messages from DCML? Or is it only spread
> through individual messages that come in private messages directly
> from list members (one to another)?
With of all the talk about viruses here I think this should be clearly
said:
* No viruses have been sent through the DCML.
* If someone would address a virus to the DCML it would probably
be eliminated by the central virus filter for uu.se. (The now very
popular viruses are stopped this way at least. Of course new viruses
may get through until the filter is updated.)
* If they get through that far they will most likely be stopped
anyway, because the forged sender address they use will probably
not be a subscriber to the list, or they will be too big for the list,
so they need manual intervention by me to get through.
--
Per Starb?ck <starback at ling.uu.se>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
and that the IP has been determined. (I've checked if there is a
member of the DCML with such an adress or if someone has accessed
subscription pages for the DCML with that IP, but no.)
But now when that is done I don't think anything more needs to be said
about this off-topic subject here, except I'd like to answer Rob
Kleins question
> Is this virus that is circulating through our list group carried by
> receiving the digested messages from DCML? Or is it only spread
> through individual messages that come in private messages directly
> from list members (one to another)?
With of all the talk about viruses here I think this should be clearly
said:
* No viruses have been sent through the DCML.
* If someone would address a virus to the DCML it would probably
be eliminated by the central virus filter for uu.se. (The now very
popular viruses are stopped this way at least. Of course new viruses
may get through until the filter is updated.)
* If they get through that far they will most likely be stopped
anyway, because the forged sender address they use will probably
not be a subscriber to the list, or they will be too big for the list,
so they need manual intervention by me to get through.
--
Per Starb?ck <starback at ling.uu.se>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
David Gerstein
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1112 - 10 msgs
Message 129 -
2002-10-28 at 00:58:41
Giles and others,
>1930: Uncle Mortimer (Oncle Radeville) (a mouse character with a moustache)
[...]
>1933: Mortimer Mouse (Oncle Mortimer); the picture given for Uncle Mortimer in
>Per Starback's site... they seem to make a difference between the two uncle
>mortimer's
The "two" Mortimers are really the same. This is an *error* on the part
of the original editors, who got confused by the fact that Mortimer's
appearance changed from 1930 to 1933 (most obviously, he lost his
moustache).
>1931: Ruffhouse Rat (Ratapoil); a rat character who looks like
>Mortimer/Montmorency/Slicker with "BB" on his pants.
Ruffhouse Rat is Minnie's lazy cousin.
Ruffhouse is *not* related to Mortimer/Montmorency.
Ruffhouse is *not* related to Mr. Slicker.
The "BB" is "RR" in the original English.
>1947: Eaga Beewa (Iga Biva)
Just a misspelling for Eega Beeva. The European editions of many "big
white books" have misspelled Eega's English name for years, probably because
it is so unusual...
In the real English language comics the name is, and always has been
Eega Beeva...
On a totally different note, something from a few days ago:
>I made a page about Donna Duck for you DCMailers, with a summary of all the
>info that have been told about this character
I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except that I see
that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna being sisters, with Donna
being the mother of April, May, and June.
Giles (and everyone), I really wish we'd stop trying to make this urban
legend fit into comics continuity. It just doesn't. According to the 1951
Karp and Taliaferro story in which Daisy and Donna appear as separate
characters, the two girls don't know each other, grew up in different
countries, and are clearly not relatives. Karp and Taliaferro clearly did
not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters.
David Gerstein
>1930: Uncle Mortimer (Oncle Radeville) (a mouse character with a moustache)
[...]
>1933: Mortimer Mouse (Oncle Mortimer); the picture given for Uncle Mortimer in
>Per Starback's site... they seem to make a difference between the two uncle
>mortimer's
The "two" Mortimers are really the same. This is an *error* on the part
of the original editors, who got confused by the fact that Mortimer's
appearance changed from 1930 to 1933 (most obviously, he lost his
moustache).
>1931: Ruffhouse Rat (Ratapoil); a rat character who looks like
>Mortimer/Montmorency/Slicker with "BB" on his pants.
Ruffhouse Rat is Minnie's lazy cousin.
Ruffhouse is *not* related to Mortimer/Montmorency.
Ruffhouse is *not* related to Mr. Slicker.
The "BB" is "RR" in the original English.
>1947: Eaga Beewa (Iga Biva)
Just a misspelling for Eega Beeva. The European editions of many "big
white books" have misspelled Eega's English name for years, probably because
it is so unusual...
In the real English language comics the name is, and always has been
Eega Beeva...
On a totally different note, something from a few days ago:
>I made a page about Donna Duck for you DCMailers, with a summary of all the
>info that have been told about this character
I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except that I see
that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna being sisters, with Donna
being the mother of April, May, and June.
Giles (and everyone), I really wish we'd stop trying to make this urban
legend fit into comics continuity. It just doesn't. According to the 1951
Karp and Taliaferro story in which Daisy and Donna appear as separate
characters, the two girls don't know each other, grew up in different
countries, and are clearly not relatives. Karp and Taliaferro clearly did
not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters.
David Gerstein
Sigvald
I am sorry...
Message 130 -
2002-10-28 at 12:49:06
if anyone here is offended by my reactions caused by the virus-mess. There are IMO several reasons that discussion did belong in this forum:
1) The viruses are sent to several participants at DCML.
2) The viruses are sent in the names of d.u.c.k.hunters of whom most of us are following DCML.
3) Discussing the matter here has given results as Soren Krarup Olesen has proved that the viruses are sent from Korinth, Greece.
BUT I do respect those of you who now says that enough is enough! I will thus let this topic rest for a while!
I am also sorry if anyone here is offended by my "though language" in some of my mails regarding this subject, but that's the way tough guys speak in most movies.
And please notice that I have *never* criticised Greeks in general. The only Greek I have *ever* criticised here on DCML is the guy in Korinth whose computer keeps bombing us with unwanted viruses.
Sigvald :-)
1) The viruses are sent to several participants at DCML.
2) The viruses are sent in the names of d.u.c.k.hunters of whom most of us are following DCML.
3) Discussing the matter here has given results as Soren Krarup Olesen has proved that the viruses are sent from Korinth, Greece.
BUT I do respect those of you who now says that enough is enough! I will thus let this topic rest for a while!
I am also sorry if anyone here is offended by my "though language" in some of my mails regarding this subject, but that's the way tough guys speak in most movies.
And please notice that I have *never* criticised Greeks in general. The only Greek I have *ever* criticised here on DCML is the guy in Korinth whose computer keeps bombing us with unwanted viruses.
Sigvald :-)
Michael Schartau
I second that.
Message 131 -
2002-10-28 at 13:13:46
----- Original Message -----
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!!
In a message dated 10/26/2002 11:48:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sigvald at duckburg.dk writes:
Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!!
bye, sorry to see you go
althought leaving the list probably wont change the amount of viruses you get
Steven Rowe - who gets no viruses from this list
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!!
In a message dated 10/26/2002 11:48:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sigvald at duckburg.dk writes:
Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!!
bye, sorry to see you go
althought leaving the list probably wont change the amount of viruses you get
Steven Rowe - who gets no viruses from this list
Sigvald
Urban myth?
Message 132 -
2002-10-28 at 19:42:56
David Gerstein <ramapith at mail.dk> wrote:
> I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except
> that I see that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna
> being sisters, with Donna being the mother of April, May,
> and June. Giles (and everyone), I really wish we'd stop
> trying to make this urban legend fit into comics continuity.
> It just doesn't. According to the 1951 Karp and Taliaferro
> story in which Daisy and Donna appear as separate characters,
> the two girls don't know each other, grew up in different
> countries, and are clearly not relatives. Karp and Taliaferro
> clearly did not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters.
And So what? Taliaferro also says that Della (the mother of HD&L) is Donald's cousin, while we *know* that she is indeed Donald's sister. That's what makes HD&L Donald's nephews. That's pure logic. The children of your cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews (as long as your cousin is not married to one of your siblings). My conclusion is that when Taliaferro can be slightly wrong about Della he can be so about Donna's relations to Daisy as well.
And remember that our friend Gilles sees Barks' (and Don Rosa's?) stories as Duckburg reality. In Taliaferros stories he sees the Ducks more like actors and in the story you mention April, May and Junes mother act as a Mexican.
Another possibility is that there is two Donnas:
1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's look-alike).
2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story.
Sigvald :-)
> I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except
> that I see that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna
> being sisters, with Donna being the mother of April, May,
> and June. Giles (and everyone), I really wish we'd stop
> trying to make this urban legend fit into comics continuity.
> It just doesn't. According to the 1951 Karp and Taliaferro
> story in which Daisy and Donna appear as separate characters,
> the two girls don't know each other, grew up in different
> countries, and are clearly not relatives. Karp and Taliaferro
> clearly did not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters.
And So what? Taliaferro also says that Della (the mother of HD&L) is Donald's cousin, while we *know* that she is indeed Donald's sister. That's what makes HD&L Donald's nephews. That's pure logic. The children of your cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews (as long as your cousin is not married to one of your siblings). My conclusion is that when Taliaferro can be slightly wrong about Della he can be so about Donna's relations to Daisy as well.
And remember that our friend Gilles sees Barks' (and Don Rosa's?) stories as Duckburg reality. In Taliaferros stories he sees the Ducks more like actors and in the story you mention April, May and Junes mother act as a Mexican.
Another possibility is that there is two Donnas:
1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's look-alike).
2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story.
Sigvald :-)
Francesco Spreafico
My Site about Romano Scarpa
Message 133 -
2002-10-28 at 20:42:55
For those of you who can read Italian and are interested in Romano Scarpa,
I've moved my old site to my new domain, so from now on you can find it
here:
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/
There's a lot of new stuff in it too, interviews, articles, non disney
stories and much more!
Enjoy,
Francesco
I've moved my old site to my new domain, so from now on you can find it
here:
http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/
There's a lot of new stuff in it too, interviews, articles, non disney
stories and much more!
Enjoy,
Francesco
Goofy313g
Donna again?! (still better than viruses!)
Message 134 -
2002-10-28 at 22:23:40
David Gerstein wrote:
>>> I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except that I see
that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna> being sisters, with Donna
being the mother of April, May, and June.
I wanted to be as neutral as possible in this page, and i didn't want to show
*my* opinion, but all the opinions tat have been evocated, and the
possibility of Donna being Daisy's sister was an opinion often evocated, not
only by fans, but by Disney creators (Don Rosa himself told it was a good
idea!)
Sigvald wrote:
>>>Another possibility is that there is two Donnas:
1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's look-alike).
2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story.
I've already thought about this possibility, but as it had never been
evocated before, i didn't put it in the page.
>>> I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except that I see
that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna> being sisters, with Donna
being the mother of April, May, and June.
I wanted to be as neutral as possible in this page, and i didn't want to show
*my* opinion, but all the opinions tat have been evocated, and the
possibility of Donna being Daisy's sister was an opinion often evocated, not
only by fans, but by Disney creators (Don Rosa himself told it was a good
idea!)
Sigvald wrote:
>>>Another possibility is that there is two Donnas:
1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's look-alike).
2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story.
I've already thought about this possibility, but as it had never been
evocated before, i didn't put it in the page.
Lars Jensen
Urban myth?
Message 135 -
2002-10-28 at 22:56:31
sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote:
>> Karp and Taliaferro
>> clearly did not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters.
>
>And So what? Taliaferro also says that Della (the mother of HD&L) is
>Donald's cousin, while we *know* that she is indeed Donald's sister.
>That's what makes HD&L Donald's nephews. That's pure logic. The
>children of your cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews (as long as
>your cousin is not married to one of your siblings). My conclusion is
>that when Taliaferro can be slightly wrong about Della he can be so
>about Donna's relations to Daisy as well.
"And so what"?!? We're talking about Al Taliaferro here, a man who
worked on Donald Duck from the mid-30s onwards. A man who had strong
ties to the Disney Studios. A man who co-defined the original Duck
universe in the comics (along with Barks).
To address your Della remark first: No, we don't "know" Della is
Donald's sister. Taliaferro was the man who actually *created* Huey,
Dewey and Louie - as well as Della, of course. If Taliaferro says Della
is Donald's cousin, then I don't think anybody can argue that he is
wrong. You may say it makes more sense to have Della be Donald's sister,
but you certainly can't say Taliaferro is wrong.
Regarding Donna and Daisy: Of course Taliaferro could be wrong when he
stated they were not sisters. He didn't create any of those characters.
But, as I mentioned, he had strong ties to the Studio. And I've yet to
see anybody else with equally strong connections to the creators of
Donna and Daisy step forward and (in a published comic story) claim
these two characters are siblings.
>And remember that our friend Gilles sees Barks' (and Don Rosa's?)
>stories as Duckburg reality. In Taliaferros stories he sees the Ducks
>more like actors and in the story you mention April, May and Junes
>mother act as a Mexican.
Taliaferro has his characters act like "actors"?!? Where exactly do you
see evidence for this? Or is this Gilles' hypothesis? (Sorry, but that
wasn't clear from your posting.)
>Another possibility is that there is two Donnas:
>1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's
>look-alike).
>2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story.
Two Donnas who look alike, both seem to be Mexicans and both have had a
romance with Donald. Not very likely.
If Taliaferro says Donna and Daisy are not related, then I'm inclined to
believe him.
Lars
>> Karp and Taliaferro
>> clearly did not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters.
>
>And So what? Taliaferro also says that Della (the mother of HD&L) is
>Donald's cousin, while we *know* that she is indeed Donald's sister.
>That's what makes HD&L Donald's nephews. That's pure logic. The
>children of your cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews (as long as
>your cousin is not married to one of your siblings). My conclusion is
>that when Taliaferro can be slightly wrong about Della he can be so
>about Donna's relations to Daisy as well.
"And so what"?!? We're talking about Al Taliaferro here, a man who
worked on Donald Duck from the mid-30s onwards. A man who had strong
ties to the Disney Studios. A man who co-defined the original Duck
universe in the comics (along with Barks).
To address your Della remark first: No, we don't "know" Della is
Donald's sister. Taliaferro was the man who actually *created* Huey,
Dewey and Louie - as well as Della, of course. If Taliaferro says Della
is Donald's cousin, then I don't think anybody can argue that he is
wrong. You may say it makes more sense to have Della be Donald's sister,
but you certainly can't say Taliaferro is wrong.
Regarding Donna and Daisy: Of course Taliaferro could be wrong when he
stated they were not sisters. He didn't create any of those characters.
But, as I mentioned, he had strong ties to the Studio. And I've yet to
see anybody else with equally strong connections to the creators of
Donna and Daisy step forward and (in a published comic story) claim
these two characters are siblings.
>And remember that our friend Gilles sees Barks' (and Don Rosa's?)
>stories as Duckburg reality. In Taliaferros stories he sees the Ducks
>more like actors and in the story you mention April, May and Junes
>mother act as a Mexican.
Taliaferro has his characters act like "actors"?!? Where exactly do you
see evidence for this? Or is this Gilles' hypothesis? (Sorry, but that
wasn't clear from your posting.)
>Another possibility is that there is two Donnas:
>1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's
>look-alike).
>2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story.
Two Donnas who look alike, both seem to be Mexicans and both have had a
romance with Donald. Not very likely.
If Taliaferro says Donna and Daisy are not related, then I'm inclined to
believe him.
Lars