Keskustelujen arkisto

Hello there!

I'm becoming a little crazy with my monography...! ;-)

I've read that the main writer of the Z? Carioca strips was Bill Walsh, BUT
the Inducks sad that al the strips (9 different stories) are wrote by Hubie
Karp! Whos is he? So, the info about Bill Walsh was totally wrong?!

And someone can tell me more biographic information about Bill Walsh and
Hubie Karp?

Fernando!

Okay, I'll write a little explanatory message about computer viruses,
how they work, and why it doesn't help to complain to mailing lists
about them.

Laurdag 26. oktober 2002 17:45 skreiv sigvald at duckburg.dk:

> Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with
> D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be
> really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll
> consider leaving this group!!!

First of all, it doesn't matter if viruses are sent to people, except
for wasted bandwidth - that is, it should matter if:
- You're running a virus scanner
- You're reading email with a thypically non-vulnerable reader
- You're reading email on a thypically non-vulnerable platform.

Without too much bias, a thypically _vulnerable_ email-program is
Microsoft Outlook. If you're running on that platform, please make
sure to update your software at least weekly - and to always have an
up-to-date virus scanner.

If you're reading web-based email, you should be aware that the browser
known as "Internet Explorer" thypically have several non-fixed
vulnerabilities - and that more errors are discovered monthly. If
you're using this browser, then always run the latest and greatest
version - in addition to updating your antivirus-software daily.

Of course, I've never seen a virus target a webbrowser as of yet - but
that is only a matter of time.

Furthermore. It won't help at all to leave the list. Your email
address will still be available on the virus-infected computer, and
you'll still receive viruses. Not only that, but you don't need to be
on a mailinglist at all to receive viruses. Sigvald, are your email
address available on any d.u.c.k-hunter webpage? Or any public
dcml-archives, if suchones exist? If people with computers infected
by "relatively smart" viruses visit those webpages - your email will
be available for the virus - so that it may send you virus-infected
email.

Thus - leaving mailinglists won't affect the outcome - as long as your
address is available via the web - if it is.

> I say this because I believe that some of YOU can stop this ness if
> you really wants to. I think that an expert like Soeren Krarup
> Olesen should send a mail to whoever is the host of the infected
> Greek in Korinth and ask them to end their services for that bas....

That would be a good solution. To end the service of the poor sod
infected by the virus. Unfortunately it won't help on the general
virus problem. As long as people continue to choose running unsafe
software, without adequate protection - we'll have a virus problem in
this world.

Far too many people choose to use the 'default' software that
accompanies their computers. This would be bad even if the
software-makers in question made relatively secure software. The
reason? Because if just a single serious vulnerability in that
software were uncovered -- far too many would be potential victims.
That is the problem with "software monoculture".

Ideally people would _make sure_ to run something not too many others
is running. If you're using Windows - excellent email-program
alternatives include 'The Bat!' , 'Pegasus', 'Eudora', 'Netscape
mail', 'Free Agent' (it tackles email as well as news), and surely
lots of others. If you however run what 70% of the rest runs, i.e,
Microsoft outlook/exchange, then you're part of a far to big
monoculture, and taking unnecessary risk.

Hope this email was both explanatory when it comes to basic computer
security concepts such as monocultures, explanatory when it comes to
why leaving mailinglists doesn't solve anything, and explanatory in
what to do to make yourself a little more virus-resistant.

--
Rune Kristian Viken

Hi all!

SIGVALD:
>> The children of your cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews
>> (as long as your cousin is not married to one of your siblings).

KRITON:
> This sounds a bit like the argument that Grandma Duck is not
> HD&L's grandmother: technically correct, but essentially wrong.
> I don't know whether there is a term for one's cousin's children
> in English (there is an obscure one in Greek, meaning "little
> nephew"),

In Norwegian there are the words "fillenevø" and "filleniese" which I quess can be used like that.

> but I consider the children of my various cousins as my nephews,
> and the only reason that they don't call me "uncle" is that I've
> asked them to call me by name!

Well, in Norwegian we will only adress uncles, grand uncles, etc. as "uncle". Just like HD&L adresses both Donald (=uncle) and Scrooge (=grand uncle) with uncle.

And when it comes to Grandma Duck it's obvious that "grandma" is something everyone keeps calling her (even Gus, Daisy and Gyro). In that particular case a family-characteristica has become almost like a public name og tittle. Just like many English spoke about the late Queen-mother as "mother" (they used to sing "happy birthday to mother" *not* happy birthday to Elisabeth).

Sigvald :-)

Sorry to be off-topic. Just wanted to let those of you know that issue 23 of
Promethea is due out this week in the U.S., and the translations some of you
helped me with, those I could use, are on pages 10 and 11. Unfortunately, the
long list of translators I sent to the editor doesn't appear. The letters
page, where they would have been, was omitted. I'm hoping to get the
translator thanks into the collected edition of issues 19 to 24, due out next
year. Sorry, and thanks again for your help.

Todd Klein

Here's the translation of an article from last month's issue of Komix.
[As usual, comments in square brackets are my own.]

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Rosa's First Steps
Don Rosa presents _Nobody's Business_

With _Nobody's Business_ as a starting point, Don Rosa remembers his
first steps in the world of the Ducks.

_Son of the Sun_ was the first Duck story that I drew. _Nobody's Business_
was the second Duck story that I wrote, which I drew in 1987, but it
is my first short, humorous story. Looking at the drawing, I get the
feeling that it is even worse than the early drawing of the story _Son
of the Sun_, perhaps because my favorite stories are the many-page epic
adventures! However, at that time, I wasn't a professional artist. I
never studied painting... I had worked with drawing as an amateur, when
I was in high school and college. Since 1982, I had quit completely,
and when I started writing Duck comics, it had been five years since
I'd held a pen in my hand. As with every other job, drawing is not a
"talent", it is a skill that one cultivates with long study and, mainly,
with practice. And as I had never intended to practice the profession of
an artist to make a living, I didn't practice drawing apart from the few
hours that I used to dedicate to the college newspaper and some amateur
comics magazines.

STYLE AND LOVE FOR HIS WORK

I didn't know how to draw any better.This was the reason my drawing
has this subversive style, and not because I am imitating Robert Crumb,
who had been trying to bring the aesthetics of the subversive comics in
Disney stories, as some claim... I think that both my style and that of
Robert Crumb are similar, only because we both grew up making comics
for our personal enjoyment., without ever taking drawing seriously,
and without ever trying to attain a style that would please the average
comics publisher. We drew comics for fun! An artist who has studied his
art, learns how to draw in the simplest possible manner, how to render
an idea in just a few lines, those that are absolutely necessary, so
that he can work as fast as he can, and to increase his income. To me,
drawing had been a way of having fun in my spare time. Thus, the more
time it took, the more spare time it filled... The more "useless and
irritating details" I added in my drawings, the more fun I had. However,
I will never be able to get rid of this childhood habit... Thus, I will
keep having this overloaded style, an I will always spend additional
time to finish a story, to the detriment of my income. What consoles me
is that since I wrote those first Duck stories, drawing has become my
main profession, and it is no longer a hobby.

Therefore, because of my constant occupation, I think--or rather
hope--that my style has improved significantly. As I look again at
these old stories, I wonder what _Gladstone_ found in them and published
them! There is something that Duck friends will not find hard to spot:
Almost all duck poses in tis story have been copied from some old Barks
drawing... During that time, I had been practicing intensely on drawing
the heroes who, although I had always admired, I had never attempted to
draw myself, until I suddenly and unexpectedly became a comics artist.

ESPECIALLY DEDICATED

Anyway. Regarding the plot of the story _Nobody's Business_, I don't
think I have much to say... This is why I put up the smoke screen that
you just read! It is a simple and direct short story with gags. The joke
in the end may be lost on non-American readers, as tis story was written
specifically for _Gladstone_ publishing. This house chose Gladstone's
name for luck. In the end of the story, the lucky guy buys[?!?] the
publishing house of the same name! [In the Greek edition, the Gladstone
logo was replaced with the text _Gastone Publishing_, with "Gastone"
being Gladstone's name in Greece. A better rendition would have been
"Nea Aktina Publishing" (the publishers of Komix), or "Komix Magazine"!] I
have prepared the reader for this last investment[?!?] of Gladstone by
showing him reading comics throughout the story. All the comics that he
is reading had been published in America by _Dell_ publishing during the
1950s, the time that my stories take place as well. Even the name of the
company that Donald sets up is a joke addressed to Duck specialists...
During the 1940s and 1950s, there was a company called _Donald Duck Soda_!

[Caption, page 1, left]
_Son of the Sun_ (_Komix_ #89) was the first Duck story that Don made.

[Caption, page 1, right]
From Don Rosa's first drawings, Robert Crumb's influence was already evident.

[Caption, page 2]
Two cans of the famous soft drink company _Donald Duck Soda_!

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Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"There are only so many ways to change the appearance of metal designed to
penetrate another person without imparing its efficiency."
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Hi all

Quest for Kalevala is coming out in Greece next month
:-) Komix will publish the story in order to celebrate
the 55 years of Scrooge, together with 2 other stories
by Barks and Cavazzano, in a special 100-pages issue.
The issue (# 174) will come out in November 22th
(?3,25).
Best Wishes

=====
Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece
E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage

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sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote:

> Yes [Taliaferro] *is* important, but can never be compared to "the
> great duckartist" - Carl Barks.

Why not?

> > To address your Della remark first: No, we don't "know" Della
> > is Donald's sister.
>
> We can't ??? I'll give you a lot of evidence for it:
>
> 1) In his unpublished Duck Family Tree, Barks shows that HD&Ls
> mother *is* Donald's sister - that's thus a BARKSIAN FACT!!!

A Barksian fact? To quote yourself: "And so what?" Let me repeat: Al
Taliaferro *created* HDL and their mother Della. He stated quite clearly
that Della was Donald's cousin. I'm not saying that was his best idea
ever. I *am* saying, though, that when the creator of a character states
something about that character, you can't just dismiss that as being
wrong because it doesn't fit in with what somebody else (in this case
Barks) says later on. When Barks (or somebody else) states something
about a character he or she hasn't created, that statement doesn't
necessarily have to be the Truth. And it certainly doesn't invalidate
what the original creator said.

And another thing: Unpublished material doesn't really count. I once had
the (probably lousy) idea of having Mickey Mouse's dad be a criminal.
The story was never even proposed to Egmont before I dropped it, and I
never told anyone about it. I am, however, a Disney comics writer. Does
that mean it is now an official fact that Mickey's dad *is* a criminal
(because that idea has been invented by a Disney comics writer), or
doesn't it? In my opinion it doesn't; anyway, not until that idea has
actually been bought (and possibly published) by a Disney licensee as an
in-continuity event. And even then the "fact" is only an opinion by one
particular creator.

> Well, OK you can still argue that Barks' "Dumbella Duck" and
> Taliaferro's "Della" are two different characters and that Dumbella
> first placed her 3 sons with her cousin Della who later sent them to
> her cousin (Dumbella's brother Donald)...
>
> BUT, such an explanation would both be pointlessly confusing and
> definitely contradict information given in "Lo$ part XI" and in Don
> Rosa's "Donald Duck Family Tree" which is approved by Egmont as the
> official version of the family tree.

I'm not going to argue any such thing. In my opinion, Dumbella and Della
*are* (probably) the same character. Which is why I am not going to
dismiss Taliaferro - the creator of HDL and Della.

Oh, and that Family Tree is *not* necessarily the only official one. It
is, as Don Rosa himself has stated many times, only *Don Rosa's* version
of the tree.

> > Taliaferro was the man who actually *created* Huey, Dewey
> > and Louie - as well as Della, of course. If Taliaferro says Della
> > is Donald's cousin, then I don't think anybody can argue that he
> > is wrong.
>
> OK, so you do agree that since Barks created Scrooge and says Scrooge
> is Donald's mother's brother everyone - including Marco Rota - who see
> (or has seen) Scrooge and Grandma Duck as brother and sister is/was
> wrong?

In which published comic story did Barks or Taliaferro establish that
Grandma is not Scrooge's sister?

But seriously... Let me make my point clear: I'm not saying *anybody* is
wrong. There are no hard facts here, Sigvald. It's all one creator's
take on the characters, which may or may not differ from another
creator's take on those same characters.

The only thing I'm saying is that the creator of a character or a
concept shouldn't be dismissed off-hand, when another, more popular,
person says something different.

> > You may say it makes more sense to have Della be Donald's
> > sister, but you certainly can't say Taliaferro is wrong.
>
> What I try to say is that I Barks the man to trust on that question.

Why?

> > If Taliaferro says Donna and Daisy are not related,
> > then I'm inclined to believe him.
>
> Per Starback and/or Harry Fluks has once stated that the Daisy
> character was developed from the Donna-character. If that's
> correct we do in reality speak about one character with two
> names. From that starting point it is possible to define them
> as two characters where the look alike explained by saying that
> they are sisters. And we do indeed know that Daisy has at least
> one sister with three daughters (April, May and June). So to do
> it as simple as possible, the sister (Donna) can be seen as the
> same sister known as AM&J's mother.

By using pretty much that same logic, I could make Gus Goose the brother
of Gyro Gearloose. Barks' original 1937 physical design for Gus, after
being rejected for use as a design for Gus, was later revised into the
design for Gyro. And it simplifies their relationship tremendously if
they're siblings. And since Gus has a nephew (Taliaferro's Socrates M.
Gosling), Sock must be the son of Gyro, and Gyro's nephew Newton must be
the son of Gus.

I don't think so.

In order for your theory to work, the all-American Daisy would have to
have a Mexican sister. So why don't AMJ ever refer to their Mexican
origin?

You've suggested we could get around this by saying that the "real"
Donna isn't Mexican, but merely acted Mexican in cartoons and some
comics. In this case, you are rejecting everything distinctive about the
character in an effort to make your theory about her work.

Either Donna and Daisy are the same character or not. If they're not the
same character, then they're in all likelihood not related. And I see no
reason why they should be. Especially when a renowned duck man like
Taliaferro says they're not. And especially when it breaks the laws of
probability to have them be sisters.

> Anyway characters can act very differently in various "universes".
> For instance HD&L who are wild kids in Taliaferro's universe and
> highly honored members of The Junior Woodchuck's in Barks' universe.
> So why can't the Mexican Donna in Taliaferro's universe be Daisy's
> sister in the Barks/Rosa universe?

One last comment: Donald, HDL, Daisy, Bolivar/Bornworthy, Grandma, Gus,
Scrooge, Donald's car (and arguably Ludwig Von Drake and Neighbor Jones)
all have appeared in Barks' as well as Taliaferro's stories. And
although the characterization may have varied slightly, it was still
clear they were the same characters with pretty much the same
interrelationship. To me (and probably most other readers of the Donald
Duck weekly), the Taliaferro universe and the Barks universe are the
*same* universe.

The mother of AMJ (and sister of Daisy) that Barks mentioned is clearly
*not* the same character as Taliaferro's Mexican Donna, who never met
Daisy until 1951. Are you willing to claim Taliaferro's universe is not
the same as Barks', based solely on the fact that you want Donna to be
the sister of Daisy?

Lars