In the story I2071, "The secret of the 313", published in Mickey parade 196,
Daisy is shown to be Donna.
There is a flashback when it is asked to Donnald when he had got his car, and
he talks about the film "Don Donald "(Daisy and me shot a film years ago....)
He tells that, as daisy didn't want to see this stupid donkey anymore, he
bought a car... So Donna is a part Daisy would play as an actress...
Then, I've already seen Daisy dressed as Donna on a coloring book for children, in america, and even on a sticker. I even remember about a story by Barks himself with Daisy dressed as Donna, probably disguised. I 'm sorry, i'm not at home so I only carried with me the comics i'm working on, and I don't have the stories i talked about, so i cannot make scans, but if needed, i will.
About Manuel Gonzales being April, May and June's Father, that'd be a great idea, but only if he were their *Illegitimate* father, because i think they carry the name Duck in several stories and drawings...
But in the story Rich showed us with the meeting of the two girls, I don't know a word of Italian, but it seems, as Italian is close to French, that they didn't meet or even know eachother before the story happens, so they cannot be sisters...
Thanks to Rick for all the scans he showed us
Gilles
Author
Topic: 200210
(164 messages)
Goofy313g
Daisy/Donna?!
Message 61 -
2002-10-19 at 17:24:39
Cristina
Daisy/Donna?!
Message 62 -
2002-10-19 at 19:22:31
----- Original Message -----
From: <Goofy313g at aol.com>
> There is a flashback when it is asked to Donnald when he had got his car,
and
> he talks about the film "Don Donald "(Daisy and me shot a film years
ago....)
> He tells that, as daisy didn't want to see this stupid donkey anymore, he
> bought a car... So Donna is a part Daisy would play as an actress...
I remember that story as well. I don't have it now, but if I remember right,
the italian version said Daisy and Donald had been called as main actors,
while they were meant to be sidekicks, because the true actors were sick.
Could this mean Donna was supposed to play herself in the movie, and after
her illness the role went to Daisy? This would explain why the two of them
are meant to be two different girls even if they play the same role.
> But in the story Rich showed us with the meeting of the two girls, I don't
know a word of Italian, but it seems, as Italian is close to French, that
they didn't meet or even know eachother before the story happens, so they
cannot be sisters...
>
You're right, they don't seem knowing each other a lot. Daisy's looking for
Donald, and Donna knows her just because she heard Donald speaking 'bout her
("Good heavens! I'd have never recognised you, according to Donald's
description!")
About April, May and June, if their last name is "Duck", and Daisy is not
Donna's sister as it appears in the comic... there was a short movie, whom
title I don't recall right now, with Donald dreaming to marry Daisy. In the
dream, he knew her family, and her three brothers, looking much like Huey,
Dewey and Louie. Nobody spoke of a sister. One of those brothers is supposed
to be Della Duck's husband: this way, Huey, Dewey and Louie's last name is
"Duck" from both parents. Also, one of the two remaining brothers may have
married Donna - years later Donald's introduction to Mr.Gonzales - and could
be the father of April, May and June. This would explain why the twins are
neices of Daisy and daughters of Donna even if the two girls didn't know
each other at the time of "Don Donald" and the comics.
From: <Goofy313g at aol.com>
> There is a flashback when it is asked to Donnald when he had got his car,
and
> he talks about the film "Don Donald "(Daisy and me shot a film years
ago....)
> He tells that, as daisy didn't want to see this stupid donkey anymore, he
> bought a car... So Donna is a part Daisy would play as an actress...
I remember that story as well. I don't have it now, but if I remember right,
the italian version said Daisy and Donald had been called as main actors,
while they were meant to be sidekicks, because the true actors were sick.
Could this mean Donna was supposed to play herself in the movie, and after
her illness the role went to Daisy? This would explain why the two of them
are meant to be two different girls even if they play the same role.
> But in the story Rich showed us with the meeting of the two girls, I don't
know a word of Italian, but it seems, as Italian is close to French, that
they didn't meet or even know eachother before the story happens, so they
cannot be sisters...
>
You're right, they don't seem knowing each other a lot. Daisy's looking for
Donald, and Donna knows her just because she heard Donald speaking 'bout her
("Good heavens! I'd have never recognised you, according to Donald's
description!")
About April, May and June, if their last name is "Duck", and Daisy is not
Donna's sister as it appears in the comic... there was a short movie, whom
title I don't recall right now, with Donald dreaming to marry Daisy. In the
dream, he knew her family, and her three brothers, looking much like Huey,
Dewey and Louie. Nobody spoke of a sister. One of those brothers is supposed
to be Della Duck's husband: this way, Huey, Dewey and Louie's last name is
"Duck" from both parents. Also, one of the two remaining brothers may have
married Donna - years later Donald's introduction to Mr.Gonzales - and could
be the father of April, May and June. This would explain why the twins are
neices of Daisy and daughters of Donna even if the two girls didn't know
each other at the time of "Don Donald" and the comics.
Mads Jensen
Barks character on US 300?
Message 63 -
2002-10-20 at 01:25:41
Hi
On the illustration/cover that Don Rosa did for the cover US 300, the
original with all the characters are in the magazine. And here:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/story.php/2/ARC+US++300A
Does anyone in here know the first appeareance of the character, in the
right corner under the Beagle Boy 176 with a peak and a pair of glasses,
above the guy withg the red/orange hair.
Thanks in advance!
regards,
Mads Jensen
On the illustration/cover that Don Rosa did for the cover US 300, the
original with all the characters are in the magazine. And here:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/story.php/2/ARC+US++300A
Does anyone in here know the first appeareance of the character, in the
right corner under the Beagle Boy 176 with a peak and a pair of glasses,
above the guy withg the red/orange hair.
Thanks in advance!
regards,
Mads Jensen
Dim I Nticoudis
Daisy's Brothers and Gilles Maurice
Message 64 -
2002-10-20 at 09:38:12
You don't have to remind Gilles about Daisy's Brothers.As you can see from
an older message he even asssigned names to them.Decoy, Demerara and
Dandelion Duck respectively.Using some speculative logic he managed to fill
in the blanks between the main Ducks.Take a look.:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2001-February/014561.html
The reference to "Daisy's sister" comes from Carl Barks' "Flip
Decision"-1953 where Daisy Duck picks her nieces April, May and June from
her sister's house.It is assumed that her sister is their mother.
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an older message he even asssigned names to them.Decoy, Demerara and
Dandelion Duck respectively.Using some speculative logic he managed to fill
in the blanks between the main Ducks.Take a look.:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2001-February/014561.html
The reference to "Daisy's sister" comes from Carl Barks' "Flip
Decision"-1953 where Daisy Duck picks her nieces April, May and June from
her sister's house.It is assumed that her sister is their mother.
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Frank Bubacz
Barks character on US 300?
Message 65 -
2002-10-20 at 17:32:19
Hi Mads,
I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story "Heirloom
Watch".
Frank
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I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story "Heirloom
Watch".
Frank
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Rob Klein
Journal de Mickey, SPG (French back issues)
Message 66 -
2002-10-20 at 19:09:28
Greetings DCMLers; especially our French members. I am Rob Klein, former
storywriter and storyboard artist for Danish and Dutch Disney comics. (I still
submit a story to Dutch Disney every once in a while). For years, I have been
trying to obtain copies of French comic book back issues containing my stories
and covers. So far, I have been unsuccessful. I cannot come to France for a
long enough period to find them. Although I visit Brussel almost every year,
I've never found more then a few Super Mickey Geant!- and NEVER one that I need.
I've had a few DCML member friends looking for me, but they are very busy with
many other things, and individual old issues are difficult to find. It would be
better, if I have MANY MORE people looking for me. Now that I see we have many
more French members than in the early years, I hope we now have some members
that look regularly through many old comics in shops and fairs.
Any of you who regularly look through old comics and could, over time, find me
specific issues, could trade them to me for original drawings I would draw for
you, AND/OR (1)US Gladstone comics (I have many duplicates-especially from 1st
series); or for ALMOST ANY old or new (2)Dutch or (3)German comics (I work and
spend time in all 3 of those countries). If you are interested, send a note to
<bi442 at lafn.org>, and I will provide you with a list of what I want. They begin
in 1990, and run almost up to present. Most of them were issued 1990-1998.
Also, if any of you believe I can receive them directly from the publisher,
please let me know whom I should contact; and, if possible, provide an e-mail
or post contact there. Thank you, Rob
Klein
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storywriter and storyboard artist for Danish and Dutch Disney comics. (I still
submit a story to Dutch Disney every once in a while). For years, I have been
trying to obtain copies of French comic book back issues containing my stories
and covers. So far, I have been unsuccessful. I cannot come to France for a
long enough period to find them. Although I visit Brussel almost every year,
I've never found more then a few Super Mickey Geant!- and NEVER one that I need.
I've had a few DCML member friends looking for me, but they are very busy with
many other things, and individual old issues are difficult to find. It would be
better, if I have MANY MORE people looking for me. Now that I see we have many
more French members than in the early years, I hope we now have some members
that look regularly through many old comics in shops and fairs.
Any of you who regularly look through old comics and could, over time, find me
specific issues, could trade them to me for original drawings I would draw for
you, AND/OR (1)US Gladstone comics (I have many duplicates-especially from 1st
series); or for ALMOST ANY old or new (2)Dutch or (3)German comics (I work and
spend time in all 3 of those countries). If you are interested, send a note to
<bi442 at lafn.org>, and I will provide you with a list of what I want. They begin
in 1990, and run almost up to present. Most of them were issued 1990-1998.
Also, if any of you believe I can receive them directly from the publisher,
please let me know whom I should contact; and, if possible, provide an e-mail
or post contact there. Thank you, Rob
Klein
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Lars Jensen
Question
Message 67 -
2002-10-21 at 11:32:43
Irene Postma wrote:
> Right now I'm in discussion with someone and I don't want to tell
nonsense.
> There is a Dutch book written by Jaap van Ginneken about cartoon
characters
> (Asterix, Rintintin and Donald Duck were mentioned in a TV-interview
this
> morning). He was comparing the nature and problems of these characters
to
> the psychological problems hidden in the lives of their creators.
>
> Would he have to look at Walt Disney for Donald Duck, as he claims?
Wouldn't
> Carl Barks be much more logical?
I would say it depends on which Donald we're talking about. Comparing
Barks' Donald Duck to Barks himself seems only natural to me. You might
also compare Taliaferro'and Karp's Donald to *their* lives, although
that seems a little more dubious to me. And the Donald currently seen in
(for instance) Danish produced comics, is only related to the lives of
the writers in a very limited way. We're all working with the Barks
version of Donald, and even those who are extrapolating from that
source, are still extrapolating from somebody else's take on the
character, rather than their own.
The cartoon Donald was influenced by Walt, yes, but also by a truckload
of storymen, directors and animators, all of whom brought something to
the Duck. So there's not much correlation there between creator and
character. It would be a better idea to compare Walt to Mickey Mouse.
So to sum up: Comparing Barks' Donald to himself is fine. Comparing
anybody else to Donald: Not much point.
In my opinion, of course.
> Sorry to appear on your interesting list, but I really want to know.
No need to apologize. Being able to ask questions like this is one of
the reasons for *being* on DCML (IMO). And besides, it was an
interesting posting.
Lars Jensen
> Right now I'm in discussion with someone and I don't want to tell
nonsense.
> There is a Dutch book written by Jaap van Ginneken about cartoon
characters
> (Asterix, Rintintin and Donald Duck were mentioned in a TV-interview
this
> morning). He was comparing the nature and problems of these characters
to
> the psychological problems hidden in the lives of their creators.
>
> Would he have to look at Walt Disney for Donald Duck, as he claims?
Wouldn't
> Carl Barks be much more logical?
I would say it depends on which Donald we're talking about. Comparing
Barks' Donald Duck to Barks himself seems only natural to me. You might
also compare Taliaferro'and Karp's Donald to *their* lives, although
that seems a little more dubious to me. And the Donald currently seen in
(for instance) Danish produced comics, is only related to the lives of
the writers in a very limited way. We're all working with the Barks
version of Donald, and even those who are extrapolating from that
source, are still extrapolating from somebody else's take on the
character, rather than their own.
The cartoon Donald was influenced by Walt, yes, but also by a truckload
of storymen, directors and animators, all of whom brought something to
the Duck. So there's not much correlation there between creator and
character. It would be a better idea to compare Walt to Mickey Mouse.
So to sum up: Comparing Barks' Donald to himself is fine. Comparing
anybody else to Donald: Not much point.
In my opinion, of course.
> Sorry to appear on your interesting list, but I really want to know.
No need to apologize. Being able to ask questions like this is one of
the reasons for *being* on DCML (IMO). And besides, it was an
interesting posting.
Lars Jensen
Kjell Croné
From Duckburg to Lillehammer (to Don Rosa's and his fans)
Message 68 -
2002-10-21 at 13:19:50
> Gilles:
> Has there been other Olympic games in Lillehammer in the 1950's???
Oslo had Winter Olympics in 1952.
Kjell
> Has there been other Olympic games in Lillehammer in the 1950's???
Oslo had Winter Olympics in 1952.
Kjell
José Manuel Prieto
Current Italian issues
Message 69 -
2002-10-21 at 14:15:22
Hi everybody!
I am a big fan of Disney comics from Spain. This is my first message to the
DCML, and I would like to ask for a bit help from the Italian members: could
anyone please tell me the stories contained in this month's "I grandi
classici", "Zio Paperone" and "I maestri Disney" magazines? Thank you very
much.
JOSE
I am a big fan of Disney comics from Spain. This is my first message to the
DCML, and I would like to ask for a bit help from the Italian members: could
anyone please tell me the stories contained in this month's "I grandi
classici", "Zio Paperone" and "I maestri Disney" magazines? Thank you very
much.
JOSE
Mads Jensen
Barks character on US 300?
Message 70 -
2002-10-21 at 15:20:13
Hi
> I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story
"Heirloom
> Watch".
Seems to make sense, since Rosa probably placed him there, since the story
is used in LO$
Thanks :-)
/Mads
> I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story
"Heirloom
> Watch".
Seems to make sense, since Rosa probably placed him there, since the story
is used in LO$
Thanks :-)
/Mads
Per Martinson
Lost in the Andes
Message 71 -
2002-10-21 at 17:56:18
I just noticed today is the "birthday" of the great Barks-classic "Lost in the Andes". Maybe that's worth celebrating (I will probably read it).
H.W.Fluks
Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years
Message 72 -
2002-10-21 at 19:09:23
This week, the Dutch "Donald Duck" weekly exists exactly 50 years. This is
celebrated with a 50-page issue, with a nice "special" opening story
(Geradts/Gulien).
Also included is a "blunder booklet", where Thom Roep mentions some errors
from the past 50 years. For instance about colouring mistakes, and the
fourth nephew (famous on DCML; now officially called "Kwok" in Dutch).
Some of the topics in this booklet were directly taken (with permission)
from my website http://dd50.inducks.org (see
http://inducks.org/dd50/xindexeng.html for English text).
Related to this, I was interviewed last week by the "Nederlands Dagblad".
This is a Christian daily.
The result is a full-page article where I say various things about the moral
and ethical values of the DD stories...
Anyway (though some people doubt that it will happen): on our way to 100
years of Dutch DD!
--Harry.
celebrated with a 50-page issue, with a nice "special" opening story
(Geradts/Gulien).
Also included is a "blunder booklet", where Thom Roep mentions some errors
from the past 50 years. For instance about colouring mistakes, and the
fourth nephew (famous on DCML; now officially called "Kwok" in Dutch).
Some of the topics in this booklet were directly taken (with permission)
from my website http://dd50.inducks.org (see
http://inducks.org/dd50/xindexeng.html for English text).
Related to this, I was interviewed last week by the "Nederlands Dagblad".
This is a Christian daily.
The result is a full-page article where I say various things about the moral
and ethical values of the DD stories...
Anyway (though some people doubt that it will happen): on our way to 100
years of Dutch DD!
--Harry.
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
#1106
Message 73 -
2002-10-21 at 21:14:41
Hi
>
FRANK:
>
>I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story
>"Heirloom
>Watch".
Yeah! (I was behind mads' question - but as he had in the first place
asked me for a list
of all the charecters on the illustration i advised *him* to ask here - as
his first mail to the
list - welcome to, Mads, to the nicest mailinglist I know.
So now all charetcers on that illustration are identified - Mads and
Inducks can be happy :-)
I guess you'll include it yourself, as i haven't got the list I send to
you, Mads and Thomas (for Inducks) here.
I'll write another mail as soon as i've found the book to write it about.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
>
FRANK:
>
>I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story
>"Heirloom
>Watch".
Yeah! (I was behind mads' question - but as he had in the first place
asked me for a list
of all the charecters on the illustration i advised *him* to ask here - as
his first mail to the
list - welcome to, Mads, to the nicest mailinglist I know.
So now all charetcers on that illustration are identified - Mads and
Inducks can be happy :-)
I guess you'll include it yourself, as i haven't got the list I send to
you, Mads and Thomas (for Inducks) here.
I'll write another mail as soon as i've found the book to write it about.
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Vidar Svendsen
Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years
Message 74 -
2002-10-21 at 21:39:23
Harry wrote:
>The result is a full-page article where I say various things about the moral
>and ethical values of the DD stories...
and what *did* you say?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.c2i.net/vidarland/
"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light
with the possible exception of bad news,
which obeys its own special laws."
>The result is a full-page article where I say various things about the moral
>and ethical values of the DD stories...
and what *did* you say?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.c2i.net/vidarland/
"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light
with the possible exception of bad news,
which obeys its own special laws."
Anders Christian Siveb¾k
Second book
Message 75 -
2002-10-21 at 22:58:25
Hi all
When i got to my room on campus yesterday i had a nice surprise - my
subscribers edition of the 2nd yearbook from 1955 was in the mail.
It contains the second third of disney-magazines from 1955 - and moreover:
My preface.
I told about the first book in august when it came out, and I'm still very
proud to have had the opportunity to
write these. The 3rd one is finished too - will be in the 3rd book to be
published in december AFAIK.
Do let me underline, that i'm writing this mail fro info, not to make it
sell more, as I have received a one-time payment.
I'm much more happy about the publicity it brings to our danish donalsit
society though :-)
I remember when i turned in the prefaces for this book - My editor gave me
blush in praising me -
in danish he wrote ros, ros, ros (someone with a dictionary please
translate that accurately)
he thought this one better than the first, and I must agree on some
points.
Firstly there's a picture of me, with a text under it, a kind of cv. My
very good Jakob Bomholt took the picture - but because of
forgetfullness and then technical problems that wont say before book3.
Jakob is getting the books anyway, be sure of that.
Lets make it easy for me now: index for issue 1 is here:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/issue.php/0/dk/DKA1955-1
no. 2 is here.
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/issue.php/0/dk/DKA1955-2
You can see what the prefaces in issue 1 is about - here are short
summaries of issue 2's prefaces. (For you and Inducks)
Laksen og lykkedyret: (salmon and mascot)
About The salmon derby and cheltenham's choice. About Barks' ability to
keep the Gladstone-stories interesting.
I asume Barks or the family must have had pets or wanted to have, as
Cheltenhams choice is about pets, and barks used personal experience.
maybe cheltenham is a little regard to Jack Hannah. Cheltenham was printed
as a textstory in a cereal-prduct in DK in the 60'es.
Skolen og nattevagten (The school and the nightwatch)
Here I'm wondering about the kids aversion about schools. They are JW's
and maybe learning by doing instead (John Dewey).
The nightwatch story was "censored" in it's first print - as they had to
change winter to summer. I understand that, but compalin about the
beak-shortening retouching Gutenberghus did in the end of the 60'es and
early 70'es. They shortende the Rostrilongitude-quotient, a term n?known
from Jon Gisles Donaldism-book. (if this text need shortening fdor Inducks
- please tell)
Murry og genbrug (Murry and reusing
About the two different drawing styles that i see in Murry's stories. -
Murry was for the moiuse what barks was for the duck.
Murry redid many stories, to make them in shape for the new format and the
new times. Gutenberghus had that done to
stories by other writers too. eg. VP 5-01 by Phil De Lara which was redone
in the 80'es for egmont by Branca - as D 3651
(That is says Murry and Vicar in the text in the book is fully my fault...
knocking myself in the head - remember to do your research you goof!!!)
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
When i got to my room on campus yesterday i had a nice surprise - my
subscribers edition of the 2nd yearbook from 1955 was in the mail.
It contains the second third of disney-magazines from 1955 - and moreover:
My preface.
I told about the first book in august when it came out, and I'm still very
proud to have had the opportunity to
write these. The 3rd one is finished too - will be in the 3rd book to be
published in december AFAIK.
Do let me underline, that i'm writing this mail fro info, not to make it
sell more, as I have received a one-time payment.
I'm much more happy about the publicity it brings to our danish donalsit
society though :-)
I remember when i turned in the prefaces for this book - My editor gave me
blush in praising me -
in danish he wrote ros, ros, ros (someone with a dictionary please
translate that accurately)
he thought this one better than the first, and I must agree on some
points.
Firstly there's a picture of me, with a text under it, a kind of cv. My
very good Jakob Bomholt took the picture - but because of
forgetfullness and then technical problems that wont say before book3.
Jakob is getting the books anyway, be sure of that.
Lets make it easy for me now: index for issue 1 is here:
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/issue.php/0/dk/DKA1955-1
no. 2 is here.
http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/issue.php/0/dk/DKA1955-2
You can see what the prefaces in issue 1 is about - here are short
summaries of issue 2's prefaces. (For you and Inducks)
Laksen og lykkedyret: (salmon and mascot)
About The salmon derby and cheltenham's choice. About Barks' ability to
keep the Gladstone-stories interesting.
I asume Barks or the family must have had pets or wanted to have, as
Cheltenhams choice is about pets, and barks used personal experience.
maybe cheltenham is a little regard to Jack Hannah. Cheltenham was printed
as a textstory in a cereal-prduct in DK in the 60'es.
Skolen og nattevagten (The school and the nightwatch)
Here I'm wondering about the kids aversion about schools. They are JW's
and maybe learning by doing instead (John Dewey).
The nightwatch story was "censored" in it's first print - as they had to
change winter to summer. I understand that, but compalin about the
beak-shortening retouching Gutenberghus did in the end of the 60'es and
early 70'es. They shortende the Rostrilongitude-quotient, a term n?known
from Jon Gisles Donaldism-book. (if this text need shortening fdor Inducks
- please tell)
Murry og genbrug (Murry and reusing
About the two different drawing styles that i see in Murry's stories. -
Murry was for the moiuse what barks was for the duck.
Murry redid many stories, to make them in shape for the new format and the
new times. Gutenberghus had that done to
stories by other writers too. eg. VP 5-01 by Phil De Lara which was redone
in the 80'es for egmont by Branca - as D 3651
(That is says Murry and Vicar in the text in the book is fully my fault...
knocking myself in the head - remember to do your research you goof!!!)
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist