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> From: dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se] On
Behalf Of Age Middelkoop
> Sent: maandag 7 oktober 2002 15:38
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Subject: dutch duck

> Last saturday, several dutch magazine collectors (even 2 DCML-members)
> met in Utrecht. When all participants in this meeting combine their
> collections, they own most post-WWII Dutch magazines. Unfortunately,
> the years 1955 and 1959 of the dutch weekly are, except a few issues,
> not in any participants collection. If any of the members of this list

> owns these issues (or knows anybody who does), and is willing to share
> the info on these issues with us, please contact me at
> agememnon75 at yahoo.com

Hi Age

Interesting to learn a few dutch disney fans met!
What kind of info are you looking for, I have those years complete.

Roy

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Germund:
> does anybody know when Manuel Gonzales passed away? I can't seem to find
any date anywhere. And was he born in 1912 or 1913? I have seen both years
listed.

According to Alberto Becattini's "Disney Index", Gonzales was born on March
3rd, 1913, and passed away in March 1993.

Ciao,
Armando

Something mentioned to me by David Gerstein about four (or more?) years ago
has been nagging the back of my mind ever since.

We know a bit about many of Donald's co-stars in comics, such as Daisy, the
Nephews (HDL), even his goat (name? Billy?), his donkey Basil, and his
ostrich Hortense, and his dogs Bolivar (Bornworthy), Behemoth (Behe) &
Fido, his cat Tabby, the Bee Spike (Buzz-Buzz), Chip 'n Dale, Little Gum,
Peter Pig, along with more familair characters like Gladstone, Fethry, and
others.

However, we know little or NOTHING about his first two co-stars: Donna &
Mac.

Well, honestly, we know what was depicted in the cartoon "Don Donald"
(1937)which featured the Senorita Donna Duck. Although it's been
speculated, even at Disney, that Donna was/is really Daisy before they
renamed her Daisy. We do know that early Disney characters did change
their names, such as Carolyn Cow becoming Clarabelle Cow and Henry Horse
becoming Horace Horsecollar or the famous case of Mortimer Mouse renamed to
Mickey Mouse, though that was before his first film. Perhaps the best case
was Dippy Dawg becoming Dippy the Goof and finally just plain ol' Goofy!
Still, if you look at the film there is very little that reminds one of
Daisy in Donna. I know at least one List member has speculated that Donna
is actually Daisy's sister and the mother of the triplets April, May &
June. This would obviously mean that Donald dated Donna before moving on
to her sister Daisy. While it is possible, it might not be probable.

As was told to me, Donna was Donald's comic-strip co-star, especially in the
British magazine "Mickey Mouse Weekly" from May to August 1937. It was
insinuated, though I may have misunderstood, that Donna was NOT believed to
have been the same character as Daisy who didn't actually appear in comics
until Nov. 4, 1940 in the "Donald Duck" Sunday comic strip which followed
the theatrical release of "Mr. Duck Steps Out" inwhich Daisy first appeared
earlier that same year.

In any case, as freverent Disney comics fans, does this list have an
official or even unofficial stand on exactly WHO Donna Duck is?

Then there is the case of Donald's second comics co-star. Donna was
replaced as Donald's co-star by a sailor named Mac until May 1940 when, I
presume, Donald's Nephews took over, followed by Daisy.

Who was Mac? What was his species? If he was a sailor, can we assume that
the adventures he shared with Donald took place during Donald's time in the
Navy? Does anyone have a picture of Mac that they could share with the
rest of us?

I'd like to add some of this information to Donald's revised HooZoo entry
when I get everything reposted to the Net.

Thanks,

Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com

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Hi Rich,

as Arm. says...
>
> My sources (Becattini and Boschi) concur in saying that Donna Duck is a
> different character from Daisy.

It was written also in *official*, approved Disney books, like my "Walt
Disney Presenta Paperina e le Altre", whose informations were revised, one
for one, by Greg Crosby (actually in charge at Disney USA).
The same version shall be included into a next-to-come international book on
the same matter.

> All the info I have about Mac come from Becattini's "Disney Comics" book.
> Mac was a Scottish sailor, who met Donald and Donna aboard a steamer in June
> 1937. As for his species, he's a dog, I suppose..

Yes! He IS a dogfaced guy.

L.

Thanks for the replies Armando & Luca. Very helpful.

Can you tell me if Donna looked very much as she did in the cartoon (see
this link) http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/Donna-Duck.gif ? It's good
to know that Donna was indeed thought to be two distinctly different
lady ducks in Donald's life. Armando, can you also scan a panel or two
of that August 1951 comic strip from Al Taliaferro featuring the two
Ducks on stage with Donald so we/I can see the difference between the
Latina there and Donna, if any? It could serve as further visual proof
that, at least in the mind of Mr. Taliaferro, Donna was definitely NOT
Daisy.

Also, Armando, I have a lot of space available on the server provided by
my new ISP, so I'd love to display whatever picture you have of Donald's
pal Mac. In your references, is Mac only available in Black & White or
do they have a colorized version of him?

I, too, would love to see the Donna and Mac stories reproduced, as well
as many other features, such as the old Panchito and Jose Carioca
newspaper strips.

Thanks again, guys.

Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com

Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby acted as "the managers of Carl Barks"
from about 1993 to about 1998. G & M were also acting managers of
"Carl Barks Studio" during this time.

The full details of these years of relationship between Barks and G&M
need not be discussed in detail here. Suffice it to say that relations became
strained, Barks wanted to end their business arrangements, which however
seemed to suit G&M, and the case ended up in court (in 1998?). I recall
from seeing transcripts of the court proceedings that "abuse against the
elderly" was an issue, and that Barks quite clearly won the case. G&M were
told to end their business arrangements with Barks, and had to physically
move away from Barks. -- After this court fall-out they for some time
acted as managers for another Disney giant, Marc Davis.

My curiosity and interest in this late chapter in Barks' life is aroused again
when I see that G&M have been selling, and are still very actively selling, lots
and lots of Barks material, via the electronic auction house eBay. They must
have been selling material for several thousands of dollars. Items have
included original art, objects, rare comics signed by Barks, and other
Barks and Disney-memorabilia.

I find it natural to inquire (neutrally and politely) how G&M managed to
come in possession of all this material. Did they buy it all from Barks?
Or were G&M and Barks legally speaking co-owners of Barks' collections
of earlier art, comics, books, etc.?

My intention is not to open the gates for simplistic speculations or to initiate
Olympian jumps to conclusions. I would like to learn simple facts about how
the Carl Barks Studio ended, what rights Barks were awarded, what rights G&M
were awarded, what G&M were told by law to do and not to do in 1998 -- these
should be public facts, available (for example) from official transcripts of the court
case. Perhaps someone here has name and address of the lawyer(s) who
represented Barks then.

Feel also free to communicate to/with me privately, in case you consider what
you'd like to say does not suit the DCML.

Nils Lid Hjort / nils at math.uio.no