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I'm not sure how it is in Europe, but the Laurel and Hardy MARCH OF THE
WOODEN SOLDIERS has not "faded into obscurity" over here in the States.
It still runs on TV, is available on video, and is in fact much better
know than the Disney remake (which I've never seen).

I can explain why the Pigs and Mickey appeared in MARCH OF THE WOODEN
SOLDIERS--it's because there is a very great difference between the real
Disney studio under Walt, and the current conglomerate that sits on the
rights to all the characters it uses. The Pigs in MARCH OF THE WOODEN
SOLDIERS were not just representations of the folktale pigs, they were
clearly Disney's Three Little Pigs in appearance. They were even
accompanied by the "Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf" theme music. In
Leonard Maltin's book on the Disney films, he mentions that Walt offered
to let Hal Roach (MARCH OF THE WOODEN SOLDIERS' producer) borrow Pinto
Colvig and other studio personnel to do the pigs' voices, but that wasn't
necessary. The real Walt Disney was quite generous with his characters
and his creations; he felt they belonged to their fans as well as to
their creators. In short, Walt may have been a businessman, but he was a
human being first. Nowadays, it gets me upset to see people confuse the
current-day monster corporation called "Disney Studios" with the magical
"fun factory" created by Walt.

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Hi all,

as I at last caught up reading the digest, I don't have to fear
repeating stuff being already said.
Therefore:

in Germany, the Lo$ series book came out just recently, with
additional information by Don Rosa and including additional chapters
made by him so far.
It is sold in a standard softcover version for 19 Euro (raised after
being announced with 10 Euro) and a hardcover version for 49 Euro
(limited to 999), signed by Don Rosas and including some extra pages
of which I don't know the content.
I tried to get a HC copy less for the signature (I already have some
albums signed with a dedication for me), but more for having that
great series in a hardcover book (expecting it to last longer in a
beautiful state)...

No chance!
Seemingly online shops were set back and only provided a fragment of
their orders; thus killing my amazon-order.
Comic shops are sold out also by pre-orders already.

Few are sold at ebay going over the 100 Euro-fence already...

I HOPE THEY'D SELL HC ALBUMS WITHOUT THE SIGNATURE IN UNLIMITED
QUANTITIES...

*sigh*

If anyone has a spare copy for the original price.....

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>From: Mads Jensen <madsj at raptus.dk>
>Subject: Donald strips

>RE: Are there any periods in the Donald Duck newspaperstrip where it worked
>like a story of some kind with a part each day,..?

In the late eighties in several issues of DONALD DUCK, Gladstone published
several small collections of 1938 Taliaferro strips as mini stories. I
remember a group of consecutive golfing gags, a story about Gus's first
visit to Donald's home, Donald visiting Gus on the farm, and one where
Donald was a trapper in Antarctica. there were likely more, but that's all
I can remember just off the top of my head.

By the way, Mr. Foster, I would love to see the strips you mention. I
thoroughly enjoyed the American duck comics you edited in the early
nineties. They came to me at a very formative time in my life! You seemed
to be someone who had a real appreciation for the history and tradition of
Disney comics. The Christmas Scrooge story you wrote for UNCLE SCROOGE #
251 still puts a lump in my thought today!

Matt

The Grimm Brothers traveled throughout the countryside in Germany, Austria and
parts of Switzerland, talking with the elderly country folk, chronicalling
their oral folktales. They took verbatim notes, even describing the tone,
gestures and facial expressions of the taleteller. They became so famous for
doing that, that later, people came to see them at their home in Frankfurt.
Even French people sent written manuscripts or orally told several of the
French oral folktales to them. Having several different versions of many of the
folktales, the Grimm Brothers had to amalgamate them into one "official"
version. They chose the most interesting story version, or scene; and in some
cases, imbellished them with more interesting dialogue. They did NOT write any
new tales. All their compiled folk tales are from the Germanic or French
traditional oral folktales.

Rob Klein

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FRANK B.,

Thanks to you and everyone who was so kind to contribute on this slightly
off-topic thread (I just recalled we're not supposed to deal with cartoons
in here, officially, nor movies, even if Disney's... :-)

>Disney himself granted permission for the use of Mickey, the pigs, and
>their tune, which doesn't seem totally surprising, since he himself used
>caricatures of Stan and Ollie in some of his cartoons from the thirties (and
>at least "Mickey's Gala Premiere" predated "Toyland")

I should have remembered the (animated) Stan & Ollie in "Gala Premiere",
of course, as a proof of the good relationships between the two Studios.

Why, if there wasn't an agreement we would probably know Hal Roach to
these days as "the toothless producer", since Disney would have sued
him for his back teeth and then some... :-)

>Of course, in 1961, Disney did his own version of the film

Never seen that. Did it feature the Pigs and Mickey as well ?

Actually, I just recalled the very first I heard of Annette Funicello was
in a "Peanuts" gag another 20 or 30 years ago, and that I was surprised
to find out, some time later, that it was a real person and not a
fictional
character...

BTW, the very same happened to me with Sacco & Vanzetti...

>Interestingly, in 1939, Laurel approached Disney for a possible animation of
>the horse in the final scene of "The Flying Deuces", but, as you will guess
>correctly, if you have seen that film, without success

Well, they managed to make that horse quite convincingly recognizable
as Ollie nevertheless... :-)

Cheers!

Eta Beta

In the last episode of the Mythos Island mystery there is a frame when
Mickey and Donald fetch up Gyros stuff from his workshop. In the crowd
there is a man that seem to me that it could maybe be Don Rosa. Am I
correct or is it someone else it is intended to resemble. As it is drawn
it must be a charicature of a real person ( at least that's the
impression that I get).

Since the artist himself, Ferioli, is on this list maybe you can bring
some clearness into this matter ?

Ola in a still cloudy Stockholm +3 and a little snow/ice on the ground

Eta Beta:

>> Of course, in 1961, Disney did his own version of the film
>
> Never seen that. Did it feature the Pigs and Mickey as well ?

Don't know about Mickey, but it does feature Tommy Sands as the hero,
Tom Piper, the fairy tale character who "stole a pig and away he run?"

Disney's version was "Babe in Toyland," featuring the aforementioned
Mr. Sands, the recently discussed Tommy Kirk, Annette Funicello, Ed
Wynn, a very young Ann Jillian, and the marvelous Ray Bolger as the
villain, Barnaby. It was one of my all-time favorite childhood films -
I kept bugging my parents, grandparents, any relative who'd listen to
buy me the toy soldiers, and I would've given my right eyeteeth for
some of the other toys depicted. It was all just so colorful and, well,
cool. I had no idea that it was being rather poorly received in other
quarters.

Seeing it many, many years later, I have to go along with the critics
of the day; it just doesn't hold together very well. The animated
toys-vs-Barnaby battle scene at the end is still kinda neat, though.

An article in a Disney publication of some years back focused on this
film, and related that on seeing an initial edit, Walt Disney observed
that (paraphrasing from memory) "Well, I guess Disney just can't do
musicals."

Fortunately, this didn't result in Disney halting another musical
project just getting underway at the time - "Mary Poppins."

Gary