Arne:
> That might have been possible, but the colours are different on the
> Donald Duck Sonderheft, too. There Donald is painting the dog-kennel
> green, the sky is light blue and the fence is light brown. So maybe
> Gemstone changed a few colours or there's even a third colouring
> existing.
Amazing. I don't remember all the colours by heart, but in the Norwegian
cover Donald was painting the dog-kennel red. Which means that at least
three colourings exist - and, should we believe this statement in WDC 638
(which naturally we should unless someone can prove it wrong), these
colourings are all made by Egmont.
Which both amazes and puzzles me. The question I first think of, is "why?".
I would understand it if an Egmont-colouring was changed by another
publisher (e.g. if Scrooge's coat had been coloured blue in an Egmont cover
used by Mondadori), but that's not the case. It has simply been changed. By
the same publisher. At least twice.
Another question must be: Has the "American version" ever been used in an
European publication (or, if Egmont publishes something outside Europe, in
an EGMONT publication)? Norway saw Donald painting the kennel red, Germany
saw him paint the same kennel green - has any Europeans seen him paint it
violet - in an Egmont publication? Finland? Poland? Anyone?
This new information fascinates me. I knew every publisher had own
colourings - but the fact that a single publisher makes three different
colourings is amazing. Apparantly, there's more to colouring than I
thought.
Olaf the Blue
Author
Topic: 200312
(236 messages)
Olaf Solstrand
WDCS 638, cover
Message 76 -
2003-12-13 at 00:18:52
Ramapith
WDCS 638, cover
Message 77 -
2003-12-13 at 06:32:40
OLAF:
> Amazing. I don't remember all the colours by heart, but in the
> Norwegian cover Donald was painting the dog-kennel red. Which means
> that at least three colourings exist - and, should we believe this
> statement in WDC 638 (which naturally we should unless someone can
> prove it wrong), these colourings are all made by Egmont.
Gary Leach has, as you'll have noticed by now, himself proven the statement in WDC 638 wrong. The Egmont coloring credit in WDC&S 638 was an accident. The colorist of the Gemstone version was really Sue Daigle-Leach.
So the number of Egmont colorings of the cover goes down to two. As you describe,
> Norway saw Donald painting the kennel red, Germany saw him paint the
> same kennel green
Now why should there even be *two* different Egmont colorings, you ask? Easy explanation. Egmont Creative A/S, the central creative studio in Copenhagen, produced the green-kennel version itself, which was sent out to all Egmont publishers and used by Germany without changes.
Norway's regional Egmont publisher, for reasons of its own, decided they preferred red, so recolored it that way themselves. That's just editorial prerogative.
Norway often does such recolorings. D 16217 (DC AA 2000-46), a Vicar cover, is one example that's rather obvious: the original Egmont background color was yellow, and in recoloring it blue, Norway left a patch of yellow by accident.
David
> Amazing. I don't remember all the colours by heart, but in the
> Norwegian cover Donald was painting the dog-kennel red. Which means
> that at least three colourings exist - and, should we believe this
> statement in WDC 638 (which naturally we should unless someone can
> prove it wrong), these colourings are all made by Egmont.
Gary Leach has, as you'll have noticed by now, himself proven the statement in WDC 638 wrong. The Egmont coloring credit in WDC&S 638 was an accident. The colorist of the Gemstone version was really Sue Daigle-Leach.
So the number of Egmont colorings of the cover goes down to two. As you describe,
> Norway saw Donald painting the kennel red, Germany saw him paint the
> same kennel green
Now why should there even be *two* different Egmont colorings, you ask? Easy explanation. Egmont Creative A/S, the central creative studio in Copenhagen, produced the green-kennel version itself, which was sent out to all Egmont publishers and used by Germany without changes.
Norway's regional Egmont publisher, for reasons of its own, decided they preferred red, so recolored it that way themselves. That's just editorial prerogative.
Norway often does such recolorings. D 16217 (DC AA 2000-46), a Vicar cover, is one example that's rather obvious: the original Egmont background color was yellow, and in recoloring it blue, Norway left a patch of yellow by accident.
David
Olaf Solstrand
WDCS 638, cover
Message 78 -
2003-12-13 at 07:00:49
David:
> Gary Leach has, as you'll have noticed by now, himself proven the
> statement in WDC 638 wrong. The Egmont coloring credit in WDC&S 638 was
> an accident. The colorist of the Gemstone version was really Sue Daigle-
> Leach.
My mistake. Missed Gary's mail. Woops.
Olaf
> Gary Leach has, as you'll have noticed by now, himself proven the
> statement in WDC 638 wrong. The Egmont coloring credit in WDC&S 638 was
> an accident. The colorist of the Gemstone version was really Sue Daigle-
> Leach.
My mistake. Missed Gary's mail. Woops.
Olaf
Ordi_sas
Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse strips
Message 79 -
2003-12-13 at 14:18:20
Thank you very much for your answer,
I've just bought Mickey Mouse 30/55, i hope dialogue would be like
original...
but...
If there are many people who collect disney comic,
Is there in USA someone (or 100.000) who collect strips about donald, mickey
and so on, who interesting to ... his collecting?
or
Do I think anythimg wrong?
I'm very sorry for my bad english!!
Paolo Bontempi
> Da: Eta Beta <eega at supereva.it>
> Data: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:46:19 +0100
> A: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Oggetto: Re: Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse strips
>
> Hello Paolo!
>
>> I'm from Italy, I'm a disney comics collector.
>> I would like to start collection (not necessary original) daily strips and
>> sunday pages of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck silly simphonies in english
>> text,Is there anyone could help me?
>
> The reason why nobody answered your question the first time is,
> I guess, nobody can help you much...
>
> There is, for all practical purposes, only a series of the
> Mickey Mouse dailies 1930-1955 produced some 20 years ago
> in quite complicated circumstances, which have been recently
> discussed here, I guess we could call that edition "the german
> portfolio" to make things a tad simpler right now...
>
> A few copies of that edition are still available somewhere,
> I can't help you with a direct source but I guess the
> Galerie Laqua might be a good place to start, don't have
> the address handy right now but you'll easily find their
> site with with a net-search.
>
> Mind you, the price of that edition would be rather steep,
> I guess, in the four-digit department, and the quality,
> although opinions vary, is not very good (it was a self-
> production by a group of fans, let me put it this way in
> order, again, to cut a long story short...)
>
> And that's all there is of collected editions in English
> language, I'm afraid...
>
> Next best thing would be looking for Gladstone albums and
> comics from the 80-90s, where strips material was often
> reprinted, and/or the older Dell/Gold Key issues from
> the 40-70s.
>
> There's plenty of this kind of stuff to be found at Ebay
> for instance, at prices that vary from a pittance to
> absolutely ridiculous...
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Eta Beta
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
I've just bought Mickey Mouse 30/55, i hope dialogue would be like
original...
but...
If there are many people who collect disney comic,
Is there in USA someone (or 100.000) who collect strips about donald, mickey
and so on, who interesting to ... his collecting?
or
Do I think anythimg wrong?
I'm very sorry for my bad english!!
Paolo Bontempi
> Da: Eta Beta <eega at supereva.it>
> Data: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:46:19 +0100
> A: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Oggetto: Re: Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse strips
>
> Hello Paolo!
>
>> I'm from Italy, I'm a disney comics collector.
>> I would like to start collection (not necessary original) daily strips and
>> sunday pages of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck silly simphonies in english
>> text,Is there anyone could help me?
>
> The reason why nobody answered your question the first time is,
> I guess, nobody can help you much...
>
> There is, for all practical purposes, only a series of the
> Mickey Mouse dailies 1930-1955 produced some 20 years ago
> in quite complicated circumstances, which have been recently
> discussed here, I guess we could call that edition "the german
> portfolio" to make things a tad simpler right now...
>
> A few copies of that edition are still available somewhere,
> I can't help you with a direct source but I guess the
> Galerie Laqua might be a good place to start, don't have
> the address handy right now but you'll easily find their
> site with with a net-search.
>
> Mind you, the price of that edition would be rather steep,
> I guess, in the four-digit department, and the quality,
> although opinions vary, is not very good (it was a self-
> production by a group of fans, let me put it this way in
> order, again, to cut a long story short...)
>
> And that's all there is of collected editions in English
> language, I'm afraid...
>
> Next best thing would be looking for Gladstone albums and
> comics from the 80-90s, where strips material was often
> reprinted, and/or the older Dell/Gold Key issues from
> the 40-70s.
>
> There's plenty of this kind of stuff to be found at Ebay
> for instance, at prices that vary from a pittance to
> absolutely ridiculous...
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Eta Beta
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
Eta Beta
Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse strips
Message 80 -
2003-12-13 at 14:46:19
Hello Paolo!
>I'm from Italy, I'm a disney comics collector.
>I would like to start collection (not necessary original) daily strips and
>sunday pages of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck silly simphonies in english
>text,Is there anyone could help me?
The reason why nobody answered your question the first time is,
I guess, nobody can help you much...
There is, for all practical purposes, only a series of the
Mickey Mouse dailies 1930-1955 produced some 20 years ago
in quite complicated circumstances, which have been recently
discussed here, I guess we could call that edition "the german
portfolio" to make things a tad simpler right now...
A few copies of that edition are still available somewhere,
I can't help you with a direct source but I guess the
Galerie Laqua might be a good place to start, don't have
the address handy right now but you'll easily find their
site with with a net-search.
Mind you, the price of that edition would be rather steep,
I guess, in the four-digit department, and the quality,
although opinions vary, is not very good (it was a self-
production by a group of fans, let me put it this way in
order, again, to cut a long story short...)
And that's all there is of collected editions in English
language, I'm afraid...
Next best thing would be looking for Gladstone albums and
comics from the 80-90s, where strips material was often
reprinted, and/or the older Dell/Gold Key issues from
the 40-70s.
There's plenty of this kind of stuff to be found at Ebay
for instance, at prices that vary from a pittance to
absolutely ridiculous...
Good Luck!
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>I'm from Italy, I'm a disney comics collector.
>I would like to start collection (not necessary original) daily strips and
>sunday pages of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck silly simphonies in english
>text,Is there anyone could help me?
The reason why nobody answered your question the first time is,
I guess, nobody can help you much...
There is, for all practical purposes, only a series of the
Mickey Mouse dailies 1930-1955 produced some 20 years ago
in quite complicated circumstances, which have been recently
discussed here, I guess we could call that edition "the german
portfolio" to make things a tad simpler right now...
A few copies of that edition are still available somewhere,
I can't help you with a direct source but I guess the
Galerie Laqua might be a good place to start, don't have
the address handy right now but you'll easily find their
site with with a net-search.
Mind you, the price of that edition would be rather steep,
I guess, in the four-digit department, and the quality,
although opinions vary, is not very good (it was a self-
production by a group of fans, let me put it this way in
order, again, to cut a long story short...)
And that's all there is of collected editions in English
language, I'm afraid...
Next best thing would be looking for Gladstone albums and
comics from the 80-90s, where strips material was often
reprinted, and/or the older Dell/Gold Key issues from
the 40-70s.
There's plenty of this kind of stuff to be found at Ebay
for instance, at prices that vary from a pittance to
absolutely ridiculous...
Good Luck!
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Eta Beta
More pigs / Mother Goose
Message 81 -
2003-12-13 at 15:09:44
DAN
>> And I can't help quoting one of the best gags, the (fake) evidence
>> of the pignapping found at Tom's place and produced before
>> Old King Cole in the form of...
>>
>> 1 - A sailor's hat
>> 2 - A fiddle
>> 3 - A roll of sausages... :-)
>
>AND I RECALL:
>
>But those sausages didn't taste like pig. Tasted more like pork.
That's Stan, casually nibbling at the evidence... :-)
GARY
>Tom, Tom, the Piper's son
And this first line explains, I guess, why the character was
actually called "Tom-Tom Piper" in the L&H movie :-)
Well, guess we'd better stop now... thanks again everyone,
I learned quite a few new interesting details.
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>> And I can't help quoting one of the best gags, the (fake) evidence
>> of the pignapping found at Tom's place and produced before
>> Old King Cole in the form of...
>>
>> 1 - A sailor's hat
>> 2 - A fiddle
>> 3 - A roll of sausages... :-)
>
>AND I RECALL:
>
>But those sausages didn't taste like pig. Tasted more like pork.
That's Stan, casually nibbling at the evidence... :-)
GARY
>Tom, Tom, the Piper's son
And this first line explains, I guess, why the character was
actually called "Tom-Tom Piper" in the L&H movie :-)
Well, guess we'd better stop now... thanks again everyone,
I learned quite a few new interesting details.
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Kimba1962
DCML Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14
Message 82 -
2003-12-13 at 17:54:03
OLIVIER (not Laurence) wrote re Gyro:
>>> I wonder: Doesn't he know his own worth, or is it that he simply doesn't
>>> care about money or status?
<<He does not care. there are several gags in Barks and Rosa stories about the
ridiculously price of his inventions: Helper changes the price, or he only
earns $0.50 and the other $100000 are for the material needed to build the
machine.>>
This is quite correct, and it puts me in mind of another character: Launchpad.
Launchpad was frequently criticized for being an inadequate substitute for Donald on DUCKTALES, but many of those who didn't like him made the mistake of assuming that he was meant to be a "stand-in" for Donald. Launchpad, unlike Donald, is not really interested in the quick buck and the easy road to success. He has a healthy ego, as would any daredevil pilot, but he plies his trade strictly for the glory and the excitement of it, rather than for any major cash consideration. He is not animated by the passions that drive Donald, and as a result, he interacts with Scrooge, the nephews, and other characters in the Duck universe in a fundamentally different manner.
Chris Barat
>>> I wonder: Doesn't he know his own worth, or is it that he simply doesn't
>>> care about money or status?
<<He does not care. there are several gags in Barks and Rosa stories about the
ridiculously price of his inventions: Helper changes the price, or he only
earns $0.50 and the other $100000 are for the material needed to build the
machine.>>
This is quite correct, and it puts me in mind of another character: Launchpad.
Launchpad was frequently criticized for being an inadequate substitute for Donald on DUCKTALES, but many of those who didn't like him made the mistake of assuming that he was meant to be a "stand-in" for Donald. Launchpad, unlike Donald, is not really interested in the quick buck and the easy road to success. He has a healthy ego, as would any daredevil pilot, but he plies his trade strictly for the glory and the excitement of it, rather than for any major cash consideration. He is not animated by the passions that drive Donald, and as a result, he interacts with Scrooge, the nephews, and other characters in the Duck universe in a fundamentally different manner.
Chris Barat
Cèsar Ferioli
Answer to Magnus about "cameos"
Message 83 -
2003-12-14 at 17:41:17
Blue circle: Xavi
Yellow circle: I wasn't thinking on Carl Barks but I admit there's some
likeness...
It's hard to find a lot of carichatures of "real" people in my work, partly
for having a more simple storytelling, partly for avoid legal troubles. In
spite of that sometimes I can't help myself of drawing some people from time
to time, trying of portraiting only people I know very well, I mean, being
sure of their permission, although I didn't ask them for.
Here you are some recent samples I can remember:
-In the last part of Mythos you can find Paco Rodriques in the Taj Mahal
picture, and Ulrich Schr?der in the Paris one.
-In D 2003-151 "Quest for rest" There's my selfportrait in page 3, as the
guy in black shirt reading a book (I was just returned from Sweden in a
plane)
-"An impish bad birthday". You can find my good friend Byron Erickson
spinning in mid air (a joke!)
-"Life of a dog" (I'm not sure about the title) script from Jeff Hamill. Pat
Mc Greal's the butcher who's chasing young Pluto who's stolen him some
sausages.
There are more samples, I think. If you're really interested at those
"cameos" I can make an effort looking for more of them. But... Why don't you
look for them yourselves? It could be funny...
Cesar
From a really sunny afternoon in Catalonia (Very similar in weather to
California) :-)
Yellow circle: I wasn't thinking on Carl Barks but I admit there's some
likeness...
It's hard to find a lot of carichatures of "real" people in my work, partly
for having a more simple storytelling, partly for avoid legal troubles. In
spite of that sometimes I can't help myself of drawing some people from time
to time, trying of portraiting only people I know very well, I mean, being
sure of their permission, although I didn't ask them for.
Here you are some recent samples I can remember:
-In the last part of Mythos you can find Paco Rodriques in the Taj Mahal
picture, and Ulrich Schr?der in the Paris one.
-In D 2003-151 "Quest for rest" There's my selfportrait in page 3, as the
guy in black shirt reading a book (I was just returned from Sweden in a
plane)
-"An impish bad birthday". You can find my good friend Byron Erickson
spinning in mid air (a joke!)
-"Life of a dog" (I'm not sure about the title) script from Jeff Hamill. Pat
Mc Greal's the butcher who's chasing young Pluto who's stolen him some
sausages.
There are more samples, I think. If you're really interested at those
"cameos" I can make an effort looking for more of them. But... Why don't you
look for them yourselves? It could be funny...
Cesar
From a really sunny afternoon in Catalonia (Very similar in weather to
California) :-)
Fabio Blanco
Cesar Ferioli/ Mickey
Message 84 -
2003-12-15 at 02:10:30
Wow, just now I am seeing "The Best mouse for the job" in the brazilian
Mickey. The art is by Cesar Ferioli and script by Byron Erickson...
I am intriguing about he the short pants look. I think I like better
because feels like the real Mickey not like the late Andy Panda... hehehe
Anyway I am wonder if that look is popular maybe in the north Europa. I
think can be popular everywhere, but I don't think the publishers everywhere
thinks same way.
My question come from a chat I'd have with a publisher about some looks of
the characters.
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Mickey. The art is by Cesar Ferioli and script by Byron Erickson...
I am intriguing about he the short pants look. I think I like better
because feels like the real Mickey not like the late Andy Panda... hehehe
Anyway I am wonder if that look is popular maybe in the north Europa. I
think can be popular everywhere, but I don't think the publishers everywhere
thinks same way.
My question come from a chat I'd have with a publisher about some looks of
the characters.
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Lars Jensen
Mickey in shorts (was Cesar Ferioli/ Mickey)
Message 85 -
2003-12-15 at 12:11:44
Fabio Blanco wrote:
> I am intriguing about he the short pants look. I think I like better
> because feels like the real Mickey not like the late Andy Panda...
> hehehe
>
> Anyway I am wonder if that look is popular maybe in the north Europa.
I suspect the shorts look is more popular than the "fully dressed" look.
If only because current Mickey stories are far more popular than the
"late Murry and beyond" 1970s-1980s material.
> I don't think the publishers everywhere thinks same way.
>
> My question come from a chat I'd have with a publisher about some
> looks of the characters.
The Argentinian publisher doesn't like the shorts?
Lars
> I am intriguing about he the short pants look. I think I like better
> because feels like the real Mickey not like the late Andy Panda...
> hehehe
>
> Anyway I am wonder if that look is popular maybe in the north Europa.
I suspect the shorts look is more popular than the "fully dressed" look.
If only because current Mickey stories are far more popular than the
"late Murry and beyond" 1970s-1980s material.
> I don't think the publishers everywhere thinks same way.
>
> My question come from a chat I'd have with a publisher about some
> looks of the characters.
The Argentinian publisher doesn't like the shorts?
Lars
H.W.Fluks
Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse strips
Message 86 -
2003-12-15 at 12:18:15
Paolo Bontempi:
> I've just bought Mickey Mouse 30/55, i hope dialogue would be like
> original...
All texts are exactly like in the original newspaper strips.
Eta Beta:
> Mind you, the price of that edition would be rather steep,
> I guess, in the four-digit department, and the quality,
> although opinions vary, is not very good (it was a self-
> production by a group of fans, let me put it this way in
> order, again, to cut a long story short...)
Opinions vary, indeed.
I think the quality is the best that one could get at the time.
But I bought it at a 3-digit price, and would probably not have bought it at current prices...
--Harry.
> I've just bought Mickey Mouse 30/55, i hope dialogue would be like
> original...
All texts are exactly like in the original newspaper strips.
Eta Beta:
> Mind you, the price of that edition would be rather steep,
> I guess, in the four-digit department, and the quality,
> although opinions vary, is not very good (it was a self-
> production by a group of fans, let me put it this way in
> order, again, to cut a long story short...)
Opinions vary, indeed.
I think the quality is the best that one could get at the time.
But I bought it at a 3-digit price, and would probably not have bought it at current prices...
--Harry.
Fabio Blanco
Mickey in shorts (was Cesar Ferioli/ Mickey)
Message 87 -
2003-12-15 at 13:43:28
Lars:
> I suspect the shorts look is more popular than the "fully dressed" look.
> If only because current Mickey stories are far more popular than the
> "late Murry and beyond" 1970s-1980s material.
Mmm... good point. I'd enjoyed these stories a lot when a child... I suppose
that the growth me likes a classic touch on the comics. I like the
> The Argentinian publisher doesn't like the shorts?
He likes. I was thinking in a general way about publishers. Must be hard
pick up the lot of international "disney" stuff and guess what will be more
catchy or popular...
By the way. How looks Mickey in the "House of the Mouse" (?) series ?
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
> I suspect the shorts look is more popular than the "fully dressed" look.
> If only because current Mickey stories are far more popular than the
> "late Murry and beyond" 1970s-1980s material.
Mmm... good point. I'd enjoyed these stories a lot when a child... I suppose
that the growth me likes a classic touch on the comics. I like the
> The Argentinian publisher doesn't like the shorts?
He likes. I was thinking in a general way about publishers. Must be hard
pick up the lot of international "disney" stuff and guess what will be more
catchy or popular...
By the way. How looks Mickey in the "House of the Mouse" (?) series ?
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Question about Don Rosa's family tree
Message 88 -
2003-12-15 at 17:11:30
On COA, an "alt. version" of Don Rosa's family tree (D 11221) is
mentioned, but it has the very same code and the very same link
as what apparently should be the original tree.
See: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+11221
- What is the difference between the two?
- What is the first European publication of the original(?) tree?
- What is the first European publication of the alternate version?
- Is there an *earlier* unofficial publication of either versions?
If so, which one is it?
- Which version has been published in the USA?
- Does the USA version contain changes in comparison to the European
versions? If so, which changes?
Thanks in advance.
--- Dani?l
"Yikes! How can anything that stuffs itself with HAY be so HARD?"
Which Barks story? :-)
mentioned, but it has the very same code and the very same link
as what apparently should be the original tree.
See: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+11221
- What is the difference between the two?
- What is the first European publication of the original(?) tree?
- What is the first European publication of the alternate version?
- Is there an *earlier* unofficial publication of either versions?
If so, which one is it?
- Which version has been published in the USA?
- Does the USA version contain changes in comparison to the European
versions? If so, which changes?
Thanks in advance.
--- Dani?l
"Yikes! How can anything that stuffs itself with HAY be so HARD?"
Which Barks story? :-)
H.W.Fluks
Question about Don Rosa's family tree
Message 89 -
2003-12-15 at 18:21:40
Dani?l:
> On COA [and in Inducks],
> an "alt. version" of Don Rosa's family tree (D 11221) is
> mentioned, but it has the very same code and the very same link
> as what apparently should be the original tree.
> See: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+11221
Some time ago, we decided that the 2 versions are actually 1 item.
But we forgot to remove the reference from one version to the other. (We'll fix that.)
> - What is the difference between the two?
One version has an extra sidebar with Daisy, the nieces, and Gyro. The other version doesn't.
> - What is the first European publication of the original(?) tree?
> - What is the first European publication of the alternate version?
Version without sidebar: Norwegian "Verdens Gang" of 1993-07-03
Version with sidebar: Swedish "Kalle Anka" 1994-01
Since Rosa made both versions to be published, neither (or both) can be regarded "original".
For practical reasons, we decided in Inducks to call the version with sidebar "original", and the other one "changed".
> - Is there an *earlier* unofficial publication of either versions?
I don't think so.
> - Which version has been published in the USA?
In WDC 600, the version without sidebar was used (as you can see on COA).
> - Does the USA version contain changes in comparison to the European
> versions? If so, which changes?
Not that we know.
--Harry.
> On COA [and in Inducks],
> an "alt. version" of Don Rosa's family tree (D 11221) is
> mentioned, but it has the very same code and the very same link
> as what apparently should be the original tree.
> See: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+11221
Some time ago, we decided that the 2 versions are actually 1 item.
But we forgot to remove the reference from one version to the other. (We'll fix that.)
> - What is the difference between the two?
One version has an extra sidebar with Daisy, the nieces, and Gyro. The other version doesn't.
> - What is the first European publication of the original(?) tree?
> - What is the first European publication of the alternate version?
Version without sidebar: Norwegian "Verdens Gang" of 1993-07-03
Version with sidebar: Swedish "Kalle Anka" 1994-01
Since Rosa made both versions to be published, neither (or both) can be regarded "original".
For practical reasons, we decided in Inducks to call the version with sidebar "original", and the other one "changed".
> - Is there an *earlier* unofficial publication of either versions?
I don't think so.
> - Which version has been published in the USA?
In WDC 600, the version without sidebar was used (as you can see on COA).
> - Does the USA version contain changes in comparison to the European
> versions? If so, which changes?
Not that we know.
--Harry.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Question about Don Rosa's family tree
Message 90 -
2003-12-16 at 05:26:11
HARRY FLUKS to me, 15-12-2003:
>> [Don Rosa's family tree, D 11221]
>> See: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+11221
> Some time ago, we decided that the 2 versions are actually 1 item.
> But we forgot to remove the reference from one version to the other.
> (We'll fix that.)
Can you also add the missing issue codes to the COA interface? At the
moment, there are no issues codes shown at all. They can only be
deciphered by looking at the URL.
>> - What is the difference between the two?
> One version has an extra sidebar with Daisy, the nieces, and Gyro.
> The other version doesn't.
Was the sidebar added by Rosa, *after* the first publication(s)?
Or was it deleted by the editor(s), in some publications?
If the sidebar was added by Rosa, after the first publication(s),
then I'd say there are two versions instead of just one.
And is the sidebar the only difference, in the case of two versions?
Or did Rosa make some changes in the main family tree itself? (No
matter how small.) If the addition of the sidebar is the only change,
then I'd give the sidebar an Inducks code of its own.
> Version without sidebar: Norwegian "Verdens Gang" of 1993-07-03
Is this an official publication? By Disney?
> Since Rosa made both versions to be published, neither (or both)
> can be regarded "original". For practical reasons, we decided in
> Inducks to call the version with sidebar "original", and the other
> one "changed".
If Rosa made two versions by himself, then this solution is highly
debatable. At least for me.
But then, I *love* to debate. :-)
> In WDC 600, the version without sidebar was used (as you can see on COA).
No, I can't. I can only see that it has "changes". By just looking at COA,
I cannot know if those changes are the very same as in other publications.
In other words: I got you here! (Didn't I?) :-)
--- Dani?l
"Yikes! How can anything that stuffs itself with HAY be so HARD?"
Which Barks story? :-)
>> [Don Rosa's family tree, D 11221]
>> See: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+11221
> Some time ago, we decided that the 2 versions are actually 1 item.
> But we forgot to remove the reference from one version to the other.
> (We'll fix that.)
Can you also add the missing issue codes to the COA interface? At the
moment, there are no issues codes shown at all. They can only be
deciphered by looking at the URL.
>> - What is the difference between the two?
> One version has an extra sidebar with Daisy, the nieces, and Gyro.
> The other version doesn't.
Was the sidebar added by Rosa, *after* the first publication(s)?
Or was it deleted by the editor(s), in some publications?
If the sidebar was added by Rosa, after the first publication(s),
then I'd say there are two versions instead of just one.
And is the sidebar the only difference, in the case of two versions?
Or did Rosa make some changes in the main family tree itself? (No
matter how small.) If the addition of the sidebar is the only change,
then I'd give the sidebar an Inducks code of its own.
> Version without sidebar: Norwegian "Verdens Gang" of 1993-07-03
Is this an official publication? By Disney?
> Since Rosa made both versions to be published, neither (or both)
> can be regarded "original". For practical reasons, we decided in
> Inducks to call the version with sidebar "original", and the other
> one "changed".
If Rosa made two versions by himself, then this solution is highly
debatable. At least for me.
But then, I *love* to debate. :-)
> In WDC 600, the version without sidebar was used (as you can see on COA).
No, I can't. I can only see that it has "changes". By just looking at COA,
I cannot know if those changes are the very same as in other publications.
In other words: I got you here! (Didn't I?) :-)
--- Dani?l
"Yikes! How can anything that stuffs itself with HAY be so HARD?"
Which Barks story? :-)