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Hi, gang.

DANIEL mentioned the Disney cartoons I still need. It occurred
to me that we have a lot more professionals here since when I last
discussed this, so I thought I'd post the (short) list here to see
who had some of the films.
The cartoons I'm missing entirely (some banned, some simply
overlooked for airing) are: "El Terrible Toreador" (1929), "Hell's
Bells"* (1929), "Cannibal Capers"* (1930), "The Shindig" (1930), "The
Barnyard Broadcast" (1931), "Mother Goose Melodies" (1931), "Egyptian
Melodies" (1931), "Birds of a Feather" (1931), "The Moose Hunt"
(1931), "Just Dogs" (1932), "Broken Toys"* (1935), "Figaro and Cleo"
(1943), "Spare the Rod"* (1954).
[I marked the ones with a * to show they are banned]
I have censored prints of the following and need whole ones:
"The Cactus Kid" (1930), "Pioneer Days" (1930) [with original
fife-and-drum ending], "The Delivery Boy" (1931), "Fishin' Around"
(1931), "Musical Farmer" (1932), "Mickey in Arabia" (1932), "Mickey
Plays Papa" (1934), "Who Killed Cock Robin" (1935), "Pluto's Dream
House" (1940), "No Hunting" (1955). Before anyone decides to mail me
a copy of one, please tell me so I can confirm that the missing
footage (which I usually know the nature of) is in there.
To reach me, Daniel, in private E-Mail simply address your
letter to:
9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk
(That's my E-Mail address for now. It will change soon, and I
will tell you when it changes.) I can't wait to chat with you!

SCROOGE AND THE ASWAN DAM
From the letters Barks wrote, I got the feeling this story
wasn't abandoned when partly made, but not even begun. But Romano
Scarpa, too, had also been inspired by reading about the Aswan Dam,
and at that exact time produced his own story, "Colossus of the
Nile," based on this. In a year, you'll be able to read this story
in English, probably in USA #39 and 40.
> Daniel (age 21, the youngest member of Disney-comics?)
Depends on when you were born! I turned 21 on February 6.
When's your birthday?

JANET:
Your birthday story appeared, I believe, in all the
Egmont-published "pocket-books" (256 pgs.) in Donald's birthday
month, June '94. I have a German edition, for example. In the same
pocket book, Egmont also used that Italian story that involves Barks
and Gare, as dog-nosed characters, talking about how Carl "got to
know" the Ducks and became their artist. We see Scrooge treating
Carl Barks to a VERY frugal meal while telling him of his past
exploits. The story is beautifully drawn and called "The Sage of the
Ducks," in German, but I know John Clark is concerned about how Barks
himself would react to it, so he's not going to use it in the United
States for the time being.
If you want a copy of the pocket book in German, Janet, tell me
now and you can have one! The Germans keep all their old
pocket-books in print (are they the only country to do so?) and I'll
be in Germany next month.

BOY, THE BRITISH sure have a history of murdering Barks stuff.
I had a look at the 1949 Mickey Mouse Annual yesterday, and there was
Barks' gold-finder story (WDC 71), rewritten in story-book form
starring MICKEY, with Barks' drawings traced to illustrate it so that
Mickey and his nephews replaced Donald and his. The only Barks story
I've ever seen that appeared here exactly as in the States was the
"Flipism" story, which headlined the 1980 annual with (somehow) its
original text and lettering intact. (The annual also contained some
other stories, which were butchered.)
The British had the idea that Disney stuff was for kids only
right from the 1930s, while this attitude only grew in the States in
(I believe) the postwar period, mainly because of the way Disney
itself treated the characters (and still does).

David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>

He did it again...

MIKE:

> Well, if the gnomes had red clothes and hats they probably were the
> ones I meant. If you have read the Dutch book "Leven en werken van de Kabouter"
> then you could be quite close. The Christmas gnomes however are a bit different
> from those gnomes. They are often considered like children of Santa Claus and
> have no beard.

In the story the gnomes have beards and look very much like "David de
kabouter" from Rien Poortvliet (artist of that book?). There are also
women-gnomes and young little gnomes among them. But I still think
they're the gnomes you mean. To me the Dutch dialogue seems to omit
the Christmas-origin of the gnomes.

Grandma tells the others she forgot to leave a plate with pap one
*Christmas* and then everything went wrong. As far as I know you'll
get the same problems with the Christmas-gnomes when you forget
leaving a plate at Christmas. That's also a reason for me to think
the gnomes in the story are those Christmas-gnomes.

(In the Dutch version they have *no* red clothes, but I don't think
that counts, because maybe the Dutch publishers did the coloring
themselves.)

What do others think? Does anyone know this story?

Have a nice day!
---Daniel 2

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

DAVID:
> So I'll index MMA 1-13 and 15-18 when I'm back home next month.

Gilbert Roser already promised to index these, except number 16.
So GILBERT: if you want to leave those to David: tell us. Otherwise,
let Gilbert index them, we don't want the work to be done twice,
unnecessary.

When indexing, please also mention the cover dates of the issues indexed.
(On a separate line above the comic contents.)

DANIEL:
> Hallo all
Welcome as a non-lurker to this mailing list!

--Harry.

MIKE:
> He did it again...

Maybe so, but this time he (= Daniel II) *did* send the message to the list
as well.
But the *first* time it seems Daniel's message was only sent to you. I am
*guessing* you are discussing the story "Return to Bear Mountain".
Am I right?

--Harry.

GIANFRANCO:
You must know that none of us are paid royalties on any use of our
Disney stories. The royalties ARE paid for the use of these stories, but
they are paid to the Disney Co. who had nothing whatsoever to do with the
writing or drawing of the stories we do for Egmont (or Oberon or whoever) --
yet Disney keeps 100% of that money. Maybe that will change someday, but the
first order of business is to try to get our original artwork returned. It
would be one thing to get money paid to us that we might deserve somehow --
but FIRST it's more important to stop the confiscation of our private
property that we have never agreed that we are selling. One thing at a time.

DANIEL V.E.:
I think you should read your Gladstone version of "GotLL" before I
answer many questions. I have no idea how well your Dutch translator stuck
to my original script.
But as to a few of your general queries -- EVERY fact in that story
is absolutely authentic, right down to Columbus being a bookdealer before
going to sea and that Francis Drake, on a secret mission, raided that
particular ship leaving that port in that year. The only made-up parts of
the story are how the Lost Library was involved -- but I think a historian
would agree that I tied it all together so that it was at least possible.
(Oh, and I made up the Abby of San Slanti.) Ask me about specific details
after you read it in English.
The library had to keep shrinking as various parts were omitted in
order to ultimately condense it's most important details down into a single
volume (in a "magical" fashion that is "scientifically unexplainable" as
they say). I can't say how well your Dutch translator explained all that.>

subscribe Adam Wieherdt:awieherd at cln.etc.bc.ca

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>The famous Mickey-Child-Abuse story seems to be italian in origin.
>It's been published in a Swedish digest (Kalle Ankas Pocket).
>It's propably published europe-wide.

The Italian stories are normally worldwide republished... And the story you
mean was just ONE of a few sponsorized stories (art by Giorgio Cavazzano)
about all the kind of problems children may have with adults (not only
child-abuse). The sponsor was "il Telefono Azzurro", a well known humanitary
organization that helps children in Italy, giving them the opportunity to
use a special telephone number to contact specialized people who can help them.
So, you see, this is not the case of "alcohol, cigarettes, wolf-eating pigs,
sex" and so on. These were stories made for a noble cause. Probably, when
re-printed, there were not the explanation pages on "il Telefono Azzurro"
that were on Topolino (the Italian weekly magazine).
In Italy we make, from time to time, stories dedicated to (or sponsorized
by) humanitary organizations: for the handicapped people, the World Wildlife
Fund and so on. And the publishers who reprint them, evidently, are not so
much interested to the humanitary organizations which originated the stories...
:-(