JANET:
Well, I won't be able to compare our two King Arthur stoires since
I'll probably never see yours in English (since it was a Digest story done
in the "Italian-style"). But my version is designed as a debunking of the
Arthur legends -- the Ducks travel back to visit the true, original
"Arthur", a remnant of the Roman occupation who was just a spear-toting,
fur-clad barbarian in Dumnonia (SW Britain) of the Dark Ages. Your story
might have dealt with Arthur as in the popular version?
MIKE:
My first Duck story (my first professional comic work of ANY sort)
was "The Son of the Sun", UNCLE $CROOGE #219, 1987.
DAN V.E.:
Why confuse people with numbers? How would we all remember who "Dan
1" or "Dan 2" are? Why not use "Dan S." or Dan V.E.", or just use your
actual full last name?
Anyway, all the Disney-banning we are talking about goes on only in
America. They excert no control over the foreign comics. Oberon, as you
know, can print stuff that Disney would NEVER allow in America any longer --
you just saw "Voodoo Hoodoo" is its original, uncensored form in Holland not
too long ago. I have a copy of that Dutch album on my bookshelf next to my
Barks Libraries so that I can see how the story originally looked without
going down to the "vault" and digging out the actual 1949 comic.>
Author
Topic: 199505
(234 messages)
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #678.
Message 196 -
1995-05-30 at 06:34:00
Peter Coenen
Disney-Digest 667
Message 197 -
1995-05-30 at 09:35:56
DEREK:
You were looking for a ftp-server with Disney-related pictures
for your children and you. Well, I recommend to set your www-
browser to Josh`s Disney Links: Pictures (www.rpi.edu/~wilmesj/
disney/disney-links-pictures.html). There you`ll find a lot of
links to ftp-servers, www-pages and (of course) pictures. For
example I found the pictures of the Buena Vista Web (You`ll find
the address on that page, too) to be very nice. I hope this
information is a bit interesting for you.
Danny Coenen
f.coenen at kfa-juelich.de
"You should`t have poured it on so thick, Louie! Something tells
me we`d have been better off been washing the dishes!"
You were looking for a ftp-server with Disney-related pictures
for your children and you. Well, I recommend to set your www-
browser to Josh`s Disney Links: Pictures (www.rpi.edu/~wilmesj/
disney/disney-links-pictures.html). There you`ll find a lot of
links to ftp-servers, www-pages and (of course) pictures. For
example I found the pictures of the Buena Vista Web (You`ll find
the address on that page, too) to be very nice. I hope this
information is a bit interesting for you.
Danny Coenen
f.coenen at kfa-juelich.de
"You should`t have poured it on so thick, Louie! Something tells
me we`d have been better off been washing the dishes!"
Peter Coenen
A few comments
Message 198 -
1995-05-30 at 09:38:00
DON:
In just a few days your trip through Germany will begin-
great! But be prepared, there seems to be a real boom on
your comics right know, so you`ll have to expect MANY
fans
on your tour. They are publishing stories of yours in
almost every "Micky Maus" now, for example "Journey to the
Center of the Earth" in No. 16-18,"The Invader of Fort
Duckburg" in No. 19 and " The Son of the Sun" in No. 21-22.
BTW, I wonder why they`ve waited so long till they
published your
first story, perhaps they`ve done it now because of your
trip, although they didn`t mention it in the MM. The 5th of
the "Don Rosa" albums, containing "The Billionaire of Dismal
Downs", "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" and "Oolated Luck" is
out now,
too. There was even an article about Carl Barks, the German
"Barks Library" and you in the "Kino ( which means Movie) News",
which you can get free in every McDonald`s here.
I am currently re-reading all of my about 600 Disney-Comics now,
and yesterday I read "Micro Ducks From O.S.". I`m wondering
if you will make a story basing on this, as the Micros planned
to return to earth after 4 years or so.
I`m really looking forward to meet you in Cologne on June 8th!!
Have a good flight, and all the best for your trip.
DANIEL:
As you perhaps know there is a kind of a "Don Rosa Library"
published in Germany, but it "only" contains two or three
stories each; there are no additional texts like they are
the CBL and the stories are not in a chronological order.
The first six albums contain two LO$-chapters each and
mostly one shorter gag-story. I`m sure that they will
publish this or a similar edition in other countries in a
while, too. You wrote that you are looking for "Der
Fuehrer`s Face". If you should get it, could you please
inform me where you got it, and if the copyright laws
allow, send me a copy? And you`re not the youngest on the
list, I think that`s me with 16 years.
ALL:
I sometimes read about post 1973 Barks stories, after he retired
from doing the scripts for the JW comics. If someone of you
should know more about that, please give me a short index of the
story codes, the title and the drawers. Thank you very much.
Danny Coenen
f.coenen at kfa-juelich.de
"You should`t have poured it on so thick, Louie! I think we`d
have been better off washing the dishes!"
In just a few days your trip through Germany will begin-
great! But be prepared, there seems to be a real boom on
your comics right know, so you`ll have to expect MANY
fans
on your tour. They are publishing stories of yours in
almost every "Micky Maus" now, for example "Journey to the
Center of the Earth" in No. 16-18,"The Invader of Fort
Duckburg" in No. 19 and " The Son of the Sun" in No. 21-22.
BTW, I wonder why they`ve waited so long till they
published your
first story, perhaps they`ve done it now because of your
trip, although they didn`t mention it in the MM. The 5th of
the "Don Rosa" albums, containing "The Billionaire of Dismal
Downs", "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" and "Oolated Luck" is
out now,
too. There was even an article about Carl Barks, the German
"Barks Library" and you in the "Kino ( which means Movie) News",
which you can get free in every McDonald`s here.
I am currently re-reading all of my about 600 Disney-Comics now,
and yesterday I read "Micro Ducks From O.S.". I`m wondering
if you will make a story basing on this, as the Micros planned
to return to earth after 4 years or so.
I`m really looking forward to meet you in Cologne on June 8th!!
Have a good flight, and all the best for your trip.
DANIEL:
As you perhaps know there is a kind of a "Don Rosa Library"
published in Germany, but it "only" contains two or three
stories each; there are no additional texts like they are
the CBL and the stories are not in a chronological order.
The first six albums contain two LO$-chapters each and
mostly one shorter gag-story. I`m sure that they will
publish this or a similar edition in other countries in a
while, too. You wrote that you are looking for "Der
Fuehrer`s Face". If you should get it, could you please
inform me where you got it, and if the copyright laws
allow, send me a copy? And you`re not the youngest on the
list, I think that`s me with 16 years.
ALL:
I sometimes read about post 1973 Barks stories, after he retired
from doing the scripts for the JW comics. If someone of you
should know more about that, please give me a short index of the
story codes, the title and the drawers. Thank you very much.
Danny Coenen
f.coenen at kfa-juelich.de
"You should`t have poured it on so thick, Louie! I think we`d
have been better off washing the dishes!"
H.W. Fluks
Barks after 1973
Message 199 -
1995-05-30 at 10:41:21
Danny:
> I sometimes read about post 1973 Barks stories, after he retired
> from doing the scripts for the JW comics. If someone of you
> should know more about that, please give me a short index of the
> story codes, the title and the drawers. Thank you very much.
Well, that index is so short I can send it to the whole list as well.
Barks did only 3 stories for Gutenberghus/Egmont (Denmark) after 1973:
D 6856 (10 pg) US T:Go Slowly Sands of Time
[rp-us:GCA 21,US 216]
D 6886 (10 pg) DD T:Hang Gliders Be Hanged
[rp-us:DD 259] [rp-nl:88-20] [rp-se:94-23]
These two were plotted by Barks, scripted by an unknown, drawn by Vicar.
D 94003 (24 pg) US T:Horsing Around with History
This one was written by Barks and drawn by Van Horn.
(rp-us means: reprints in the USA. rp-nl, rp-se: same in Holland and Sweden)
Furthermore, Barks drew a lot of oils and a few new covers for the Carl Barks
Library.
Besides that, Don Rosa extended an incomplete Gyro script from 1959:
H 89174 (8 pg) GY T:The pied piper of Duckburg
[rp-us:USA 21,LICGY 2] [rp-nl:90-15,OD.50]
And Daan Jippes redrew some of the Junior Woodchucks scripts from 1970-1973
(I know you didn't ask for this, but I'll list them anyway):
H 92001 / JW 14 (12 pg) US T:Duckmade Disaster
[rp-us:US 287] [rp-nl:92-01]
H 92002 / JW 8 ( 6 pg) HDL T:Bad Day for Troop 'A'
[rp-nl:92-07] [rp-dk:A199321]
H 92012 / JW 12 (12 pg) HDL T:Storm Dancers
[rp-us:DDA 32] [rp-nl:92-13]
H 92051 / JW 13 (13 pg) HDL T:The Day the Mountain Shook
[rp-nl:92-29]
H 92085 / JW 11 (13 pg) DD T:Traitor in the Ranks
[rp-us:DDA 31] [rp-nl:92-43]
H 92107 / JW 13 (12 pg) HDL T:Gold of the '49ers
[rp-nl:93-25]
H 94001 / JW 10 (13 pg) HDL T:Maple Sugar Time (How Sweet It Is!)
[rp-nl:94-47]
(All data from the Disney comics Database)
--Harry.
> I sometimes read about post 1973 Barks stories, after he retired
> from doing the scripts for the JW comics. If someone of you
> should know more about that, please give me a short index of the
> story codes, the title and the drawers. Thank you very much.
Well, that index is so short I can send it to the whole list as well.
Barks did only 3 stories for Gutenberghus/Egmont (Denmark) after 1973:
D 6856 (10 pg) US T:Go Slowly Sands of Time
[rp-us:GCA 21,US 216]
D 6886 (10 pg) DD T:Hang Gliders Be Hanged
[rp-us:DD 259] [rp-nl:88-20] [rp-se:94-23]
These two were plotted by Barks, scripted by an unknown, drawn by Vicar.
D 94003 (24 pg) US T:Horsing Around with History
This one was written by Barks and drawn by Van Horn.
(rp-us means: reprints in the USA. rp-nl, rp-se: same in Holland and Sweden)
Furthermore, Barks drew a lot of oils and a few new covers for the Carl Barks
Library.
Besides that, Don Rosa extended an incomplete Gyro script from 1959:
H 89174 (8 pg) GY T:The pied piper of Duckburg
[rp-us:USA 21,LICGY 2] [rp-nl:90-15,OD.50]
And Daan Jippes redrew some of the Junior Woodchucks scripts from 1970-1973
(I know you didn't ask for this, but I'll list them anyway):
H 92001 / JW 14 (12 pg) US T:Duckmade Disaster
[rp-us:US 287] [rp-nl:92-01]
H 92002 / JW 8 ( 6 pg) HDL T:Bad Day for Troop 'A'
[rp-nl:92-07] [rp-dk:A199321]
H 92012 / JW 12 (12 pg) HDL T:Storm Dancers
[rp-us:DDA 32] [rp-nl:92-13]
H 92051 / JW 13 (13 pg) HDL T:The Day the Mountain Shook
[rp-nl:92-29]
H 92085 / JW 11 (13 pg) DD T:Traitor in the Ranks
[rp-us:DDA 31] [rp-nl:92-43]
H 92107 / JW 13 (12 pg) HDL T:Gold of the '49ers
[rp-nl:93-25]
H 94001 / JW 10 (13 pg) HDL T:Maple Sugar Time (How Sweet It Is!)
[rp-nl:94-47]
(All data from the Disney comics Database)
--Harry.
Gianfranco Goria - Anonima Fumetti - Italian Cartoonists Society
Giorgio Cavazzano...
Message 200 -
1995-05-30 at 13:02:43
Someone asked me something on Giorgio Cavazzano.
Well.
He's one of the best Italian cartoonists. Born in Venezia, October 19th 1947.
He started making comics as a professional at twelve years, as an inker for
Luciano Capitanio. Then in 1961 he went on inking the stories of Romano Scarpa.
He did a lot of work for Walt Disney co., in Italy as well as directly for
other countries.
His first Disney story was I611, in 1967.
He did 255 Disney stories from 1967 to 1994 (I2016).
His other works (not Disney, I mean) are:
Timothee Titan (texts by F. Corteggiani): 13 stories from 1991 to 1994;
Capitan Rogers (texts by G. Pezzin, then by F. Corteggiani): 47 stories from
1981 to 1989;
Oscar & Tango (texts by G. Pezzin): 24 stories from 1974 to 1977;
Silas Finn (text by T. Sclavi): 7 stories from 1985 to 1986;
Smalto & Johnny (texts by G. pezzin): 7 stories from 1976 to 1977;
Slim Norton (texts by R. Garofalo)
I due Colonnelli (texts by R. Garofalo)
Altai & Johnson (texts by T. Sclavi): 30 stories from 1975 to 1978;
Walkie & Talkie (text by G. Pezzin): 33 stories from 1974 to 1979;
Jungle Bungle (texts by Sergio Aragones)...
Pif, in France; Peter O'Pencil (Silas Finn) in Germany...
and a lot of others... puf! puf!... still going on...
>JANET:
some of the GIF files I sent you, are images from some of this stories...
while in the photos you see Giorgio, G. with Barks, G. with Romano Scarpa
and G.B. Carpi.
Well.
He's one of the best Italian cartoonists. Born in Venezia, October 19th 1947.
He started making comics as a professional at twelve years, as an inker for
Luciano Capitanio. Then in 1961 he went on inking the stories of Romano Scarpa.
He did a lot of work for Walt Disney co., in Italy as well as directly for
other countries.
His first Disney story was I611, in 1967.
He did 255 Disney stories from 1967 to 1994 (I2016).
His other works (not Disney, I mean) are:
Timothee Titan (texts by F. Corteggiani): 13 stories from 1991 to 1994;
Capitan Rogers (texts by G. Pezzin, then by F. Corteggiani): 47 stories from
1981 to 1989;
Oscar & Tango (texts by G. Pezzin): 24 stories from 1974 to 1977;
Silas Finn (text by T. Sclavi): 7 stories from 1985 to 1986;
Smalto & Johnny (texts by G. pezzin): 7 stories from 1976 to 1977;
Slim Norton (texts by R. Garofalo)
I due Colonnelli (texts by R. Garofalo)
Altai & Johnson (texts by T. Sclavi): 30 stories from 1975 to 1978;
Walkie & Talkie (text by G. Pezzin): 33 stories from 1974 to 1979;
Jungle Bungle (texts by Sergio Aragones)...
Pif, in France; Peter O'Pencil (Silas Finn) in Germany...
and a lot of others... puf! puf!... still going on...
>JANET:
some of the GIF files I sent you, are images from some of this stories...
while in the photos you see Giorgio, G. with Barks, G. with Romano Scarpa
and G.B. Carpi.
Jacob Sparre Andersen
Sponsored stories (WWF, etc.)
Message 201 -
1995-05-30 at 13:07:01
Gianfranco:
> The Italian stories are normally worldwide republished... And the story you
> mean was just ONE of a few sponsorized stories (art by Giorgio Cavazzano)
> about all the kind of problems children may have with adults (not only
> child-abuse). The sponsor was "il Telefono Azzurro", a well known humanitary
> organization that helps children in Italy, giving them the opportunity to
> use a special telephone number to contact specialized people who can help
> them.
I think this story was named "Bornetelefonen" in Denmark. At least Borne-
telefonen, a Danish organization similar to il Telefono Azzurro, was mentioned
by name, but I don't remember any comment outside the story itself..
> So, you see, this is not the case of "alcohol, cigarettes, wolf-eating pigs,
> sex" and so on. These were stories made for a noble cause. Probably, when
> re-printed, there were not the explanation pages on "il Telefono Azzurro"
> that were on Topolino (the Italian weekly magazine).
> In Italy we make, from time to time, stories dedicated to (or sponsorized
> by) humanitary organizations: for the handicapped people, the World Wildlife
> Fund and so on. And the publishers who reprint them, evidently, are not so
> much interested to the humanitary organizations which originated the
> stories...
I remember the WWF story about illegal trade with animals. It's a nice story.
Also in this case there wasn't any comments outside the story.
> :-(
No need for that as I see it!
Does the other publishers, like Egmont, get the text about the sponsoring
organisations together with the story? If there isn't a similar organisation
in the country where the story is reprinted, it can be difficult to give a
usefull explanation alongside the story.
Greetings,
Jacob Sparre Andersen.
--
A Faroese student, far far away from home
--
URL's: "mailto:(Email removed)", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
> The Italian stories are normally worldwide republished... And the story you
> mean was just ONE of a few sponsorized stories (art by Giorgio Cavazzano)
> about all the kind of problems children may have with adults (not only
> child-abuse). The sponsor was "il Telefono Azzurro", a well known humanitary
> organization that helps children in Italy, giving them the opportunity to
> use a special telephone number to contact specialized people who can help
> them.
I think this story was named "Bornetelefonen" in Denmark. At least Borne-
telefonen, a Danish organization similar to il Telefono Azzurro, was mentioned
by name, but I don't remember any comment outside the story itself..
> So, you see, this is not the case of "alcohol, cigarettes, wolf-eating pigs,
> sex" and so on. These were stories made for a noble cause. Probably, when
> re-printed, there were not the explanation pages on "il Telefono Azzurro"
> that were on Topolino (the Italian weekly magazine).
> In Italy we make, from time to time, stories dedicated to (or sponsorized
> by) humanitary organizations: for the handicapped people, the World Wildlife
> Fund and so on. And the publishers who reprint them, evidently, are not so
> much interested to the humanitary organizations which originated the
> stories...
I remember the WWF story about illegal trade with animals. It's a nice story.
Also in this case there wasn't any comments outside the story.
> :-(
No need for that as I see it!
Does the other publishers, like Egmont, get the text about the sponsoring
organisations together with the story? If there isn't a similar organisation
in the country where the story is reprinted, it can be difficult to give a
usefull explanation alongside the story.
Greetings,
Jacob Sparre Andersen.
--
A Faroese student, far far away from home
--
URL's: "mailto:(Email removed)", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
Daniel Shane
About gnomes and Daniels
Message 202 -
1995-05-30 at 14:00:00
>MESSAGE FROM DANIEL TO DANIEL (SHANE):
>======================================
>
>What can we do to identify ourselves in a short way? Shall I call
>myself "Daniel 2"? You were earlier on the list than me, so I think
>you're the one to say. Please, let me know.
>
Just call me Dan, my preferred means of address. I use "Daniel" when I sign
on to services because it sounds more business-like, but Dan is what Don and
all my friends call me.
>======================================
>
>What can we do to identify ourselves in a short way? Shall I call
>myself "Daniel 2"? You were earlier on the list than me, so I think
>you're the one to say. Please, let me know.
>
Just call me Dan, my preferred means of address. I use "Daniel" when I sign
on to services because it sounds more business-like, but Dan is what Don and
all my friends call me.
Martin Lampen
Disney-comics digest #676.
Message 203 -
1995-05-30 at 14:10:43
Hi Folks,
I'm a reactivated Disney comics fan residing in Plymouth England. As
I say, I recently reactivated my interest in Disney (particularly Duck)
comics when, on a trip to the US, I picked up some of the excellent
Don Rosa stories in reprint and enjoyed them very much. My
question is, as a child I had some UK softcover 'treasury' reprints of
some Duck stories. These stories involved the usual characters,
$crooge, H,D&L, Gyro and Donald Duck as a superhero called
'Superduck.' If anyone tell me anything about these, now long lost,
editions; artist, writer, year, original editions etc. I would be most
grateful.
Also, my local comics shop doesn't stock US edition Disney comics,
but as I frequently make the trip to London, can anyone tell me the
best London comics shop for Disney comics' back issues?
Many Thanks,
Martin Lampen (Enjoying reading your list)
I'm a reactivated Disney comics fan residing in Plymouth England. As
I say, I recently reactivated my interest in Disney (particularly Duck)
comics when, on a trip to the US, I picked up some of the excellent
Don Rosa stories in reprint and enjoyed them very much. My
question is, as a child I had some UK softcover 'treasury' reprints of
some Duck stories. These stories involved the usual characters,
$crooge, H,D&L, Gyro and Donald Duck as a superhero called
'Superduck.' If anyone tell me anything about these, now long lost,
editions; artist, writer, year, original editions etc. I would be most
grateful.
Also, my local comics shop doesn't stock US edition Disney comics,
but as I frequently make the trip to London, can anyone tell me the
best London comics shop for Disney comics' back issues?
Many Thanks,
Martin Lampen (Enjoying reading your list)
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #678.
Message 204 -
1995-05-30 at 14:33:10
When I was at Disney Comics, Inc., in 1991, I noticed a very
polished one-panel gag up on Bob Foster's wall. It read "Dumbo Meets
Bucky Bug" and showed Bucky getting smooshed by a huge elephant foot.
I wish I had asked for a copy of it.
I also once heard an (unsubstantiated) rumor that Disney
animators, after-hours, produced a brief film in which MM fights with
Pegleg Pete but loses... he gets killed. I have a hunch my friend
was just putting me on, but you never know.
One coverless Dutch comic I have (it's those Dutch again!) has
a Playboy-style centerfold of Clarabelle Cow. She isn't naked or
anything, and is (as usual) skinny as a rail, but is holding two
enormous watermelons to her chest to look like breasts.
There's always the famous MM suicide sequence from 1930 ("Mr.
Slicker and the Egg Robbers"), but it's done in as tastefully a way
as you can imagine. The subject is treated lightly and humorously,
as if Disney and Gottfredson had no idea it was going to be
controversial. The (one-week) sequence wouldn't really be so famous
except that Disney NOW is so protective of Mickey, and that suicide
NOW is a major problem among kids. In 1930, neither of these things
were the case as far as I know, and Disney himself was the one who
came up with the idea that Mickey should try suicide. (Floyd
Gottfredson himself was shocked!)
The sequence runs this way:
A) MM is about to shoot himself when a cuckoo pops out of a
cuckoo clock and screams, "Cuckoo! Cuckoo!" Deciding that the
clock's saying he's crazy to shoot himself, Mickey tosses the gun
away.
B) MM tries to jump off a bridge, but lands on a ship where
he's accosted as a stowaway. The captain prepares to throw him off,
but Mickey's changed his mind about suicide again and is afraid he'll
drown!
C) MM tries to gas himself, but a neighbor kid uses the gas
pipe to fill his balloons; one explodes, ruining the gas pipe too.
D) MM ties a weight to himself and is about to jump in a pond,
but when a fish tells him the water's cold today, he throws the
weight in the water by itself.
E) MM throws a rope over a tree branch to hang himself, but a
bunch of squirrels see what he's going to do and rub up against him
to console him, and in the end, he makes the rope into a swing and
gives up suicide for good. "It took a squirrel to prove what a nut I
was!" (The lead squirrel hangs around with Mickey afterwards and
plays a key role in the climax.) The squirrels can't talk, although
the fish was able to...
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
polished one-panel gag up on Bob Foster's wall. It read "Dumbo Meets
Bucky Bug" and showed Bucky getting smooshed by a huge elephant foot.
I wish I had asked for a copy of it.
I also once heard an (unsubstantiated) rumor that Disney
animators, after-hours, produced a brief film in which MM fights with
Pegleg Pete but loses... he gets killed. I have a hunch my friend
was just putting me on, but you never know.
One coverless Dutch comic I have (it's those Dutch again!) has
a Playboy-style centerfold of Clarabelle Cow. She isn't naked or
anything, and is (as usual) skinny as a rail, but is holding two
enormous watermelons to her chest to look like breasts.
There's always the famous MM suicide sequence from 1930 ("Mr.
Slicker and the Egg Robbers"), but it's done in as tastefully a way
as you can imagine. The subject is treated lightly and humorously,
as if Disney and Gottfredson had no idea it was going to be
controversial. The (one-week) sequence wouldn't really be so famous
except that Disney NOW is so protective of Mickey, and that suicide
NOW is a major problem among kids. In 1930, neither of these things
were the case as far as I know, and Disney himself was the one who
came up with the idea that Mickey should try suicide. (Floyd
Gottfredson himself was shocked!)
The sequence runs this way:
A) MM is about to shoot himself when a cuckoo pops out of a
cuckoo clock and screams, "Cuckoo! Cuckoo!" Deciding that the
clock's saying he's crazy to shoot himself, Mickey tosses the gun
away.
B) MM tries to jump off a bridge, but lands on a ship where
he's accosted as a stowaway. The captain prepares to throw him off,
but Mickey's changed his mind about suicide again and is afraid he'll
drown!
C) MM tries to gas himself, but a neighbor kid uses the gas
pipe to fill his balloons; one explodes, ruining the gas pipe too.
D) MM ties a weight to himself and is about to jump in a pond,
but when a fish tells him the water's cold today, he throws the
weight in the water by itself.
E) MM throws a rope over a tree branch to hang himself, but a
bunch of squirrels see what he's going to do and rub up against him
to console him, and in the end, he makes the rope into a swing and
gives up suicide for good. "It took a squirrel to prove what a nut I
was!" (The lead squirrel hangs around with Mickey afterwards and
plays a key role in the climax.) The squirrels can't talk, although
the fish was able to...
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Alcohol, cigarettes, wolf-eating pigs...
Message 205 -
1995-05-30 at 14:45:53
"Private" or otherwise controversial stories?
When I was at Disney Comics, Inc., in 1991, I noticed a very
polished one-panel gag up on Bob Foster's wall. It read "Dumbo Meets
Bucky Bug" and showed Bucky getting smooshed by a huge elephant foot.
I wish I had asked for a copy of it.
Harry showed me a Br'er Rabbit story of the same breed as that
wolf one. Molly is muttering that Br'er Rabbit, being a rabbit,
wants a certain something all the time, and he's always asking her
for it, and it's gotten to the point of no return... but what he's
really after are carrots, thousands of them.
I also once heard an (unsubstantiated) rumor that Disney
animators, after-hours, produced a brief film in which MM fights with
Pegleg Pete but loses... he gets killed. I have a hunch my friend
was just putting me on, but you never know.
One coverless Dutch comic I have (it's those Dutch again!) has
a Playboy-style centerfold of Clarabelle Cow. She isn't naked or
anything, and is (as usual) skinny as a rail, but is holding two
enormous watermelons to her chest to look like breasts.
There's always the famous MM suicide sequence from 1930 ("Mr.
Slicker and the Egg Robbers"), but that IS banned in the United
States, and besides, it's a completely harmless sequence (if you take
for granted that suicide was not common among young children in
1930, so at that time Disney wasn't seen as poking fun at an
unfortunate crisis). Of course, the reason Disney doesn't want it
reprinted now is more that it's Mickey than that it shows attempted
suicide. The sequence ends with MM renouncing suicide and referring
to himself as having been a "nut" for considering it.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
When I was at Disney Comics, Inc., in 1991, I noticed a very
polished one-panel gag up on Bob Foster's wall. It read "Dumbo Meets
Bucky Bug" and showed Bucky getting smooshed by a huge elephant foot.
I wish I had asked for a copy of it.
Harry showed me a Br'er Rabbit story of the same breed as that
wolf one. Molly is muttering that Br'er Rabbit, being a rabbit,
wants a certain something all the time, and he's always asking her
for it, and it's gotten to the point of no return... but what he's
really after are carrots, thousands of them.
I also once heard an (unsubstantiated) rumor that Disney
animators, after-hours, produced a brief film in which MM fights with
Pegleg Pete but loses... he gets killed. I have a hunch my friend
was just putting me on, but you never know.
One coverless Dutch comic I have (it's those Dutch again!) has
a Playboy-style centerfold of Clarabelle Cow. She isn't naked or
anything, and is (as usual) skinny as a rail, but is holding two
enormous watermelons to her chest to look like breasts.
There's always the famous MM suicide sequence from 1930 ("Mr.
Slicker and the Egg Robbers"), but that IS banned in the United
States, and besides, it's a completely harmless sequence (if you take
for granted that suicide was not common among young children in
1930, so at that time Disney wasn't seen as poking fun at an
unfortunate crisis). Of course, the reason Disney doesn't want it
reprinted now is more that it's Mickey than that it shows attempted
suicide. The sequence ends with MM renouncing suicide and referring
to himself as having been a "nut" for considering it.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
H.W. Fluks
Rosa in Germany
Message 206 -
1995-05-30 at 14:52:57
DANNY ("not Peter") wrote to DON:
> In just a few days your trip through Germany will begin
That reminds me - DON: that one-page gag you made for Germany.
Will it be published somewhere else, too, or do I have to look
for it when I visit Germany?
> The 5th of the [German] "Don Rosa" albums, containing
> "The Billionaire of Dismal Downs", "The Invader of Fort
> Duckburg" and "Oolated Luck" is out now
Yes, I was able to buy that album last week. They stupidly
announced "Oolated Luck" as chapter 11 (since it is in the album
right after chapters 9 and 10...).
The back cover had a drawing of Donald and Scrooge in the 313 car,
with Don himself on the back seat (a photograph, still with beard).
The drawing looked faxed, but otherwise very good.
> There was even an article about Carl Barks, the German
> "Barks Library" and you in the "Kino ( which means Movie) News"
Hm... they could have renamed it to "Keno News" for the occasion...
> "Micro Ducks From O.S.". I`m wondering
> if you will make a story basing on this
Egmont already published a followup to this story, somewhere in the
80s. I re-read it a few weeks ago, and I don't like that story.
Maybe Don could do a better job... But then again, this story
would take place 8 years after 1966, which is way after Scrooge
died (in the Rosa universe, at least).
> As you perhaps know there is a kind of a "Don Rosa Library"
> published in Germany
> The first six albums contain two LO$-chapters each
Are you saying they plan to continue that album series after
the last chapter of Lo$? The series is called "Uncle Scrooge,
his life, his billions" so I thought it would be only 6 albums.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Hollaendische Disney Comics Wahnsinniger
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Niederlande "Jawohl.. Ich habe von Koralbarken gehoert"
> In just a few days your trip through Germany will begin
That reminds me - DON: that one-page gag you made for Germany.
Will it be published somewhere else, too, or do I have to look
for it when I visit Germany?
> The 5th of the [German] "Don Rosa" albums, containing
> "The Billionaire of Dismal Downs", "The Invader of Fort
> Duckburg" and "Oolated Luck" is out now
Yes, I was able to buy that album last week. They stupidly
announced "Oolated Luck" as chapter 11 (since it is in the album
right after chapters 9 and 10...).
The back cover had a drawing of Donald and Scrooge in the 313 car,
with Don himself on the back seat (a photograph, still with beard).
The drawing looked faxed, but otherwise very good.
> There was even an article about Carl Barks, the German
> "Barks Library" and you in the "Kino ( which means Movie) News"
Hm... they could have renamed it to "Keno News" for the occasion...
> "Micro Ducks From O.S.". I`m wondering
> if you will make a story basing on this
Egmont already published a followup to this story, somewhere in the
80s. I re-read it a few weeks ago, and I don't like that story.
Maybe Don could do a better job... But then again, this story
would take place 8 years after 1966, which is way after Scrooge
died (in the Rosa universe, at least).
> As you perhaps know there is a kind of a "Don Rosa Library"
> published in Germany
> The first six albums contain two LO$-chapters each
Are you saying they plan to continue that album series after
the last chapter of Lo$? The series is called "Uncle Scrooge,
his life, his billions" so I thought it would be only 6 albums.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Hollaendische Disney Comics Wahnsinniger
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Niederlande "Jawohl.. Ich habe von Koralbarken gehoert"
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Who's the youngest member?
Message 207 -
1995-05-30 at 17:28:07
AUGIE:
> Nope, you aren't the youngest. So far as I know, I hold that
> distinction at 19 years of age, though I've been an ardent
> $crooge fan since I can remember.
No, you're *also* not the youngest. The youngest member here, as far
as I know, is Danny. He's 16 years old.
I'm also a fan of Donald/Scrooge, etc. since 1978 when my father
bought some Donald Duck Weeklies for me. But I couldn't read by then,
so I didn't understand very much of the stories. (The first Barks
story I can rembember is the Gyro Gearloose story US 37, "The Great
Pop Up")
Since 1982 I'm subscribed to DD Weekly and in 1987 I started to
collect them.
In 1988 I saw a book in my local library about someone called Carl
Barks. Like many others, I realized I was a fan of him for years, but
I just didn't know his name.
In 1990 I met Harry Fluks in a comic-book shop and we started
correspondence about Barks and later Rosa. Do you think I should call
him and tell him about "disney-comics"? I'm *sure* he also wants to
subscribe when he hears about it :-).
In 1995 (last Thursday) I subscribed to this forum...
--- Daniel
> Nope, you aren't the youngest. So far as I know, I hold that
> distinction at 19 years of age, though I've been an ardent
> $crooge fan since I can remember.
No, you're *also* not the youngest. The youngest member here, as far
as I know, is Danny. He's 16 years old.
I'm also a fan of Donald/Scrooge, etc. since 1978 when my father
bought some Donald Duck Weeklies for me. But I couldn't read by then,
so I didn't understand very much of the stories. (The first Barks
story I can rembember is the Gyro Gearloose story US 37, "The Great
Pop Up")
Since 1982 I'm subscribed to DD Weekly and in 1987 I started to
collect them.
In 1988 I saw a book in my local library about someone called Carl
Barks. Like many others, I realized I was a fan of him for years, but
I just didn't know his name.
In 1990 I met Harry Fluks in a comic-book shop and we started
correspondence about Barks and later Rosa. Do you think I should call
him and tell him about "disney-comics"? I'm *sure* he also wants to
subscribe when he hears about it :-).
In 1995 (last Thursday) I subscribed to this forum...
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Son of the sun, etc.
Message 208 -
1995-05-30 at 17:50:41
DON:
> My first Duck story (my first professional comic work of ANY sort)
> was "The Son of the Sun", UNCLE $CROOGE #219, 1987.
I got that one at the end of last year. I've noticed that you're not
very content about this story, but I sure like that one. It was one
of the few comic-stories that made me really burst of laughter. That
final-gag was really a good joke! ("It's on the bottom of the lake.")
Why not content about the art? To me there's nothing wrong with it.
> Why confuse people with numbers? How would we all remember who "Dan
> 1" or "Dan 2" are? Why not use "Dan S." or Dan V.E.", or just use your
> actual full last name?
I've reached an agreement with Daniel Shane. From now on he uses
"Dan", so you can call me simply "Daniel" from now on.
> Oberon, as you know, can print stuff that Disney would NEVER allow
> in America any longer -- you just saw "Voodoo Hoodoo" is its
> original, uncensored form in Holland not too long ago.
Oke, it's uncensored, but it is still not the same as the original
version. As you see, the art is sometimes moved in the panels. That
really bothers me. So, I still haven't the original version of that
story. EVEN with having the complete CBL on my shelve!
---Daniel
> My first Duck story (my first professional comic work of ANY sort)
> was "The Son of the Sun", UNCLE $CROOGE #219, 1987.
I got that one at the end of last year. I've noticed that you're not
very content about this story, but I sure like that one. It was one
of the few comic-stories that made me really burst of laughter. That
final-gag was really a good joke! ("It's on the bottom of the lake.")
Why not content about the art? To me there's nothing wrong with it.
> Why confuse people with numbers? How would we all remember who "Dan
> 1" or "Dan 2" are? Why not use "Dan S." or Dan V.E.", or just use your
> actual full last name?
I've reached an agreement with Daniel Shane. From now on he uses
"Dan", so you can call me simply "Daniel" from now on.
> Oberon, as you know, can print stuff that Disney would NEVER allow
> in America any longer -- you just saw "Voodoo Hoodoo" is its
> original, uncensored form in Holland not too long ago.
Oke, it's uncensored, but it is still not the same as the original
version. As you see, the art is sometimes moved in the panels. That
really bothers me. So, I still haven't the original version of that
story. EVEN with having the complete CBL on my shelve!
---Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Danny's comments
Message 209 -
1995-05-30 at 18:32:07
DANNY:
> I am currently re-reading all of my about 600 Disney-Comics now,
> and yesterday I read "Micro Ducks From O.S.". I`m wondering
> if you [Don] will make a story basing on this, as the Micros
> planned to return to earth after 4 years or so.
In Holland they've published a story with the Micro Ducks coming back
to earth, back in the early 1980's. I don't know exactly which issue
it was, but I can look for it if you want. Maybe you want the code or
a copy of the story... Als Duitser zal het niet al the moeilijk zijn
om Nederlands te begrijpen. (Translated: Being a German it won't be
too difficult to understand Dutch.)
> As you perhaps know there is a kind of a "Don Rosa Library"
> published in Germany.
Yep.
> I`m sure that they will publish this or a similar edition in other
> countries in a while, too.
Maybe, but in Holland the editors were/are not very content about
Don's art. Thom Roep, the main editor, told me that he likes the
stories, but not the art. (But that was five years ago!) Here the
Rosa-stories are published almost every month in Donald Duck
Extra.
But, when I talk about a "Rosa Library", I'm talking about a
library with his original dialogue. If *that* would happen...
> You wrote that you are looking for "Der Fuehrer`s Face". If you
> should get it, could you please inform me where you got it, and if
> the copyright laws allow, send me a copy?
David said he has a copy, and *if* he sends one, I'll sure inform
you. Did you ever see the cartoon? It was broadcasted in Holland in
the early eighties, but I don't have it on tape. I really liked that
cartoon. Great jokes, although it's a dark period in history.
Copyright laws??? Which copyright laws??? First, I don't *sell* it,
when I have a copy myself. Second, how can Disney complain about
illegal copies when they haven't released a *legal* copy themselves?
I think the only way to trouble bootleggers is to release the
original version yourself. Diehard fans don't buy recordings (of
cartoons, popgroups, etc.) because they're *illegal*, they just want
to have it. Illegal or not.
> And you`re not the youngest on the list, I think that`s me
> with 16 years.
I was about 16 when I first heard about Barks, you're sure a *wise*
guy! :-)
> I sometimes read about post 1973 Barks stories, after he retired
> from doing the scripts for the JW comics.
I saw that Harry informed you about it already. Maybe he told you
also that "Barks-forger" Jippes re-inked some stories recently. So
there's a big change you'll see them published in Germany in a while.
I think Harry didn't mention the script-only stories "King
Scrooge the First", "Pawns of the Loup Garou", "A Day in a Duck's
Life" and "Officer for a Day". But they're from the late 60's, so
maybe you know them already. Or do you want more information?
---Daniel
> I am currently re-reading all of my about 600 Disney-Comics now,
> and yesterday I read "Micro Ducks From O.S.". I`m wondering
> if you [Don] will make a story basing on this, as the Micros
> planned to return to earth after 4 years or so.
In Holland they've published a story with the Micro Ducks coming back
to earth, back in the early 1980's. I don't know exactly which issue
it was, but I can look for it if you want. Maybe you want the code or
a copy of the story... Als Duitser zal het niet al the moeilijk zijn
om Nederlands te begrijpen. (Translated: Being a German it won't be
too difficult to understand Dutch.)
> As you perhaps know there is a kind of a "Don Rosa Library"
> published in Germany.
Yep.
> I`m sure that they will publish this or a similar edition in other
> countries in a while, too.
Maybe, but in Holland the editors were/are not very content about
Don's art. Thom Roep, the main editor, told me that he likes the
stories, but not the art. (But that was five years ago!) Here the
Rosa-stories are published almost every month in Donald Duck
Extra.
But, when I talk about a "Rosa Library", I'm talking about a
library with his original dialogue. If *that* would happen...
> You wrote that you are looking for "Der Fuehrer`s Face". If you
> should get it, could you please inform me where you got it, and if
> the copyright laws allow, send me a copy?
David said he has a copy, and *if* he sends one, I'll sure inform
you. Did you ever see the cartoon? It was broadcasted in Holland in
the early eighties, but I don't have it on tape. I really liked that
cartoon. Great jokes, although it's a dark period in history.
Copyright laws??? Which copyright laws??? First, I don't *sell* it,
when I have a copy myself. Second, how can Disney complain about
illegal copies when they haven't released a *legal* copy themselves?
I think the only way to trouble bootleggers is to release the
original version yourself. Diehard fans don't buy recordings (of
cartoons, popgroups, etc.) because they're *illegal*, they just want
to have it. Illegal or not.
> And you`re not the youngest on the list, I think that`s me
> with 16 years.
I was about 16 when I first heard about Barks, you're sure a *wise*
guy! :-)
> I sometimes read about post 1973 Barks stories, after he retired
> from doing the scripts for the JW comics.
I saw that Harry informed you about it already. Maybe he told you
also that "Barks-forger" Jippes re-inked some stories recently. So
there's a big change you'll see them published in Germany in a while.
I think Harry didn't mention the script-only stories "King
Scrooge the First", "Pawns of the Loup Garou", "A Day in a Duck's
Life" and "Officer for a Day". But they're from the late 60's, so
maybe you know them already. Or do you want more information?
---Daniel
KERSTIN S.DERBAUM
Hallo, I'm new
Message 210 -
1995-05-30 at 18:33:33
--- Inkommet fr}n VD.POL2 031-667632 95-05-30 17:32
-> IN=disney-comics(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE
Hallo, everybody!
I thought this would be a great time for me to step into this and
announce my subscription! Here I am! I have got one question:
does anyone know where to get the old CBL? I would really like to
know!
> DAVID:
If you are interested in these short Disney-films on VIDEOTAPE,
I would be glad to help you with the following ones: "Mickey in
Arabia", "The Moose Hunt" and "Figaro and Cleo". But, as I
mentioned, they are recorded on videotape (VHS, but i'm able to
convert it to the old type of video-rec-tape, if you want me to).
Do you actually have ALL the other Disney-shorties?
> DANIEL:
So, YOU think YOU'RE the youngest subscriber to disney-comics?
Well, read this, old-timer: I'm sixteen! Nyyaaaah! I cornered
everyone of you (I think) except for Erik Pettersson, a friend
o' mine that actually is a subscriber to disney-comics too, but
never says anything. He is just being a part of the background,
or aint ya, Erik! At least he's fourteen. But I let him write
the rest about himself. If ANYONE is interested. No, just
kidding, Erik!
But please DO write anything, just anything, Erik! To show that
you too is a fan of Disney! It would be more fun if more people
write to disney-comics.
/Jakob S|derbaum
-> IN=disney-comics(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE
Hallo, everybody!
I thought this would be a great time for me to step into this and
announce my subscription! Here I am! I have got one question:
does anyone know where to get the old CBL? I would really like to
know!
> DAVID:
If you are interested in these short Disney-films on VIDEOTAPE,
I would be glad to help you with the following ones: "Mickey in
Arabia", "The Moose Hunt" and "Figaro and Cleo". But, as I
mentioned, they are recorded on videotape (VHS, but i'm able to
convert it to the old type of video-rec-tape, if you want me to).
Do you actually have ALL the other Disney-shorties?
> DANIEL:
So, YOU think YOU'RE the youngest subscriber to disney-comics?
Well, read this, old-timer: I'm sixteen! Nyyaaaah! I cornered
everyone of you (I think) except for Erik Pettersson, a friend
o' mine that actually is a subscriber to disney-comics too, but
never says anything. He is just being a part of the background,
or aint ya, Erik! At least he's fourteen. But I let him write
the rest about himself. If ANYONE is interested. No, just
kidding, Erik!
But please DO write anything, just anything, Erik! To show that
you too is a fan of Disney! It would be more fun if more people
write to disney-comics.
/Jakob S|derbaum