On Tue, 30 May 1995, DAVID.A.GERSTEIN wrote:
> There's always the famous MM suicide sequence from 1930 ("Mr.
> Slicker and the Egg Robbers"), but it's done in as tastefully a way
> as you can imagine.
I distinctly remember reading an Italian story (probably published in
Sweden during the eighties) where Scrooge is close to taking his own life
(by jumping into a river with a stone tied to his neck) on account of
thinking that he had lost all his money. If anyone is REALLY interested,
I could try to find it during summer.
/F
Author
Topic: 199505
(234 messages)
Fredrik Ekman
Suicide
Message 211 -
1995-05-30 at 19:09:28
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Mickey' suicide
Message 212 -
1995-05-30 at 19:09:45
DAVID:
> Disney himself was the one who came up with the idea that Mickey
> should try suicide. (Floyd > Gottfredson himself was shocked!)
There's also a '50s cartoon (don't know the name) in which Daisy has
problems with Donald being famous with his great (changed) voice. She
tells her psychiatrist (?) about it. At certain point she tells she
considered suicide among other things. (The cartoon shows her pointing
a gun at herself.)
BTW. Is that cartoon banned or censored by now? (Maybe from now on,
with all those Disney representatives spying this forum :-)
--- Daniel
> Disney himself was the one who came up with the idea that Mickey
> should try suicide. (Floyd > Gottfredson himself was shocked!)
There's also a '50s cartoon (don't know the name) in which Daisy has
problems with Donald being famous with his great (changed) voice. She
tells her psychiatrist (?) about it. At certain point she tells she
considered suicide among other things. (The cartoon shows her pointing
a gun at herself.)
BTW. Is that cartoon banned or censored by now? (Maybe from now on,
with all those Disney representatives spying this forum :-)
--- Daniel
Fredrik Ekman
Old UK reprints
Message 213 -
1995-05-30 at 19:14:56
On Tue, 30 May 1995, Martin Lampen wrote:
> These stories involved the usual characters,
> $crooge, H,D&L, Gyro and Donald Duck as a superhero called
> 'Superduck.'
Superduck is an Italian invention and when discussing him on this list,
we usually call him by his original name: Paperinik. He has been drawn by
many different artists during the years, but I am sure that some of our
Italian members could tell you a little more about his origins.
/F
> These stories involved the usual characters,
> $crooge, H,D&L, Gyro and Donald Duck as a superhero called
> 'Superduck.'
Superduck is an Italian invention and when discussing him on this list,
we usually call him by his original name: Paperinik. He has been drawn by
many different artists during the years, but I am sure that some of our
Italian members could tell you a little more about his origins.
/F
Fredrik Ekman
Rosa in Germany
Message 214 -
1995-05-30 at 19:23:26
On Tue, 30 May 1995, H.W. Fluks wrote:
> Egmont already published a followup to [Micro Ducks from Outer Space],
> somewhere in the 80s. I re-read it a few weeks ago, and I don't like
> that story. Maybe Don could do a better job... But then again, this
> story would take place 8 years after 1966, which is way after Scrooge
> died (in the Rosa universe, at least).
But only if you assume that the stories all take place when Barks wrote
them, what? Or am I missing something obvious? I seem to remember that
Don has addressed this issue before, in connection with describing the
making of the Lo$. Would you care to refresh our tragically lousy
memories, Don?
/F
PS. Three messages in one day? It must have been at least a year since I
was this active...
> Egmont already published a followup to [Micro Ducks from Outer Space],
> somewhere in the 80s. I re-read it a few weeks ago, and I don't like
> that story. Maybe Don could do a better job... But then again, this
> story would take place 8 years after 1966, which is way after Scrooge
> died (in the Rosa universe, at least).
But only if you assume that the stories all take place when Barks wrote
them, what? Or am I missing something obvious? I seem to remember that
Don has addressed this issue before, in connection with describing the
making of the Lo$. Would you care to refresh our tragically lousy
memories, Don?
/F
PS. Three messages in one day? It must have been at least a year since I
was this active...
RHODE
Chiascuro (not Disney)
Message 215 -
1995-05-30 at 19:46:35
Well, I'm delurking and going off-charter at the same time but...
Our own Dave Rawson's Chiascuro is out in the States and was very
enjoyable. It's a life of Leonardo Da Vinci through the actions of
one of his apprentices. A nice history comic, of the type not much
seen anymore. On the other hand, it's got some pretty vivid sex
scenes in it, so don't think it's a Classics Illustrated and give it
to the children. It's well worth picking up.
Mike Rhode
Our own Dave Rawson's Chiascuro is out in the States and was very
enjoyable. It's a life of Leonardo Da Vinci through the actions of
one of his apprentices. A nice history comic, of the type not much
seen anymore. On the other hand, it's got some pretty vivid sex
scenes in it, so don't think it's a Classics Illustrated and give it
to the children. It's well worth picking up.
Mike Rhode
Hhslmc
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Message 216 -
1995-05-31 at 00:03:59
unsubscribe disney-comics hhslmc at nmc1.nmclites.edu
Rupert21
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Message 217 -
1995-05-31 at 04:54:47
please unsubscribe me!!!!!
Rupert21
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Message 218 -
1995-05-31 at 05:00:33
please unsubscribe me!!!!!!
Daniel Van Eijmeren
An old-timer about CBL
Message 219 -
1995-05-31 at 08:03:44
JAKOB S:
> So, YOU think YOU'RE the youngest subscriber to disney-comics?
> Well, read this, old-timer: I'm sixteen! Nyyaaaah!
> I have got one question: does anyone know where to get the old
> CBL? I would really like to know!
Looking at your adress I see you're from Sweden, so maybe I'm not
supposed to answer this question. I think it will be a difficult task
when you want the CBL complete, because you have to be lucky with
finding a shop which still has it on the shelves. I think you can't
order it by Another Rainbow anymore, because the original CBL is not
printed anymore. (They've printed 5000 sets world-wide?) But I can
give you a adress if you want to try.
*Me*, I'm a proud owner of a complete CBL. NYYAAAAH!!!!
--- Daniel
BTW. I've heard rumours here that the original CBL will be reprinted.
> So, YOU think YOU'RE the youngest subscriber to disney-comics?
> Well, read this, old-timer: I'm sixteen! Nyyaaaah!
> I have got one question: does anyone know where to get the old
> CBL? I would really like to know!
Looking at your adress I see you're from Sweden, so maybe I'm not
supposed to answer this question. I think it will be a difficult task
when you want the CBL complete, because you have to be lucky with
finding a shop which still has it on the shelves. I think you can't
order it by Another Rainbow anymore, because the original CBL is not
printed anymore. (They've printed 5000 sets world-wide?) But I can
give you a adress if you want to try.
*Me*, I'm a proud owner of a complete CBL. NYYAAAAH!!!!
--- Daniel
BTW. I've heard rumours here that the original CBL will be reprinted.
Paulo Barreto
Banned?
Message 220 -
1995-05-31 at 09:29:20
DON:
} Anyway, all the Disney-banning we are talking about goes on only in
}America. They excert no control over the foreign comics.
Maybe. As I told to DvE, Brazilian comics are strictly
controlled in a way or another. I have the 1950-53 _O Pato Donald_
facsimile collection and I realize those story versions are nearly
unrecognizable as the translation has been changed (and verbal abuse
reduced) between each reprint. In 1981 Brazilian translators decided to
add some substandard colloquialism to make text nearer to real-life
spoken language, but something/someone (guess...?????) had them put it
down in a few months (thus favoring the old-fashioned language in which
Donald et al. speak like flaunting eggheads). Older physical-abuse
stories have been seldom reprinted (if at all), and new translations
make average language become milder and flatter with time.
There is a case of probable external censorship to Brazilian
Disney: although being very popular, Canini's Jose Carioca comics around
1972-78 were considered as "nonconforming to Disney standards", dropped
in favor of another artist/concept/environment and seldom reprinted
since. There was no abuse in those stories; I think they're absolutely
OK.
_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ P.C.Barreto
mad at digi.ax.apc.org
----1111 * Nao procurem os defeitos, encontrem as solucoes.
} Anyway, all the Disney-banning we are talking about goes on only in
}America. They excert no control over the foreign comics.
Maybe. As I told to DvE, Brazilian comics are strictly
controlled in a way or another. I have the 1950-53 _O Pato Donald_
facsimile collection and I realize those story versions are nearly
unrecognizable as the translation has been changed (and verbal abuse
reduced) between each reprint. In 1981 Brazilian translators decided to
add some substandard colloquialism to make text nearer to real-life
spoken language, but something/someone (guess...?????) had them put it
down in a few months (thus favoring the old-fashioned language in which
Donald et al. speak like flaunting eggheads). Older physical-abuse
stories have been seldom reprinted (if at all), and new translations
make average language become milder and flatter with time.
There is a case of probable external censorship to Brazilian
Disney: although being very popular, Canini's Jose Carioca comics around
1972-78 were considered as "nonconforming to Disney standards", dropped
in favor of another artist/concept/environment and seldom reprinted
since. There was no abuse in those stories; I think they're absolutely
OK.
_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ P.C.Barreto
mad at digi.ax.apc.org
----1111 * Nao procurem os defeitos, encontrem as solucoes.
Paulo Barreto
Blood In Duckburg? :-)
Message 221 -
1995-05-31 at 09:29:20
Ave ALL!
At last I'm back to public discussion...
DvEIJMEREN:
DVE}There's always a lot of talking about Disney banning stories or
}subjects. Maybe we can also talk about published material that Disney
}obviously "forgot" to ban.
Well, I'm currently working on episode 7 of an "alternative"
text-only echomail serial titled "Sangue em Pato'polis" (Blood in
Duckburg). Up to this extent, a human mob tries to break $crooge's
monopoly on clandestine toilet bowl market, a couple of plain normal
humans infiltrate in Duckburg, Beagle Boys successfully rob the entire
money bin, $crooge dies, Daisy tries to kill Donald's nephews/has an
accident/aborts future egg, and Gyro Gearloose reveals Superduck's
secret identity. (Unfortunately, the story is currently available only
in Portuguese) <G>
Actually, although it's unlikely this serial would ever get
under Walt Disney's signature, Disney code is strictly followed in
Brazil. I've never seen anything similar to those "sex-hungry Gus" or
"beer-drinking Donald" stories, but they care a lot for the basic
standards as a whole and for those physical/verbal abuse issues (that is
apparently valid for comics only; as David Gerstein knows, cartoons go
unbanned). Editora Abril, the local Disney comics publisher, has the
right of (and often does) change the whole translation text when
republishing a story; some changes may be mandatory for currency reform
purposes, but at times the 50's or 60's language gets completely
outdated and demands radical changes. So they also change some of the
context, supressing insulting or blasphemous expressions of earlier
editions.
_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ P.C.Barreto
mad at digi.ax.apc.org
----1111 * Nao mato aulas; elas e' que me matam ...
At last I'm back to public discussion...
DvEIJMEREN:
DVE}There's always a lot of talking about Disney banning stories or
}subjects. Maybe we can also talk about published material that Disney
}obviously "forgot" to ban.
Well, I'm currently working on episode 7 of an "alternative"
text-only echomail serial titled "Sangue em Pato'polis" (Blood in
Duckburg). Up to this extent, a human mob tries to break $crooge's
monopoly on clandestine toilet bowl market, a couple of plain normal
humans infiltrate in Duckburg, Beagle Boys successfully rob the entire
money bin, $crooge dies, Daisy tries to kill Donald's nephews/has an
accident/aborts future egg, and Gyro Gearloose reveals Superduck's
secret identity. (Unfortunately, the story is currently available only
in Portuguese) <G>
Actually, although it's unlikely this serial would ever get
under Walt Disney's signature, Disney code is strictly followed in
Brazil. I've never seen anything similar to those "sex-hungry Gus" or
"beer-drinking Donald" stories, but they care a lot for the basic
standards as a whole and for those physical/verbal abuse issues (that is
apparently valid for comics only; as David Gerstein knows, cartoons go
unbanned). Editora Abril, the local Disney comics publisher, has the
right of (and often does) change the whole translation text when
republishing a story; some changes may be mandatory for currency reform
purposes, but at times the 50's or 60's language gets completely
outdated and demands radical changes. So they also change some of the
context, supressing insulting or blasphemous expressions of earlier
editions.
_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ P.C.Barreto
mad at digi.ax.apc.org
----1111 * Nao mato aulas; elas e' que me matam ...
Gianfranco Goria - Anonima Fumetti - Italian Cartoonists Society
Old UK reprints
Message 222 -
1995-05-31 at 11:39:05
>On Tue, 30 May 1995, Martin Lampen wrote:
>
>> These stories involved the usual characters,
>> $crooge, H,D&L, Gyro and Donald Duck as a superhero called
>> 'Superduck.'
>
>Superduck is an Italian invention and when discussing him on this list,
>we usually call him by his original name: Paperinik. He has been drawn by
>many different artists during the years, but I am sure that some of our
>Italian members could tell you a little more about his origins.
Yeah!
Paperinik was created by Guido Martina (texts) and Giovan Battista Carpi (art).
In that time, boys were writing to Topolino (the weekly Italian Disney
magazine); they were sad to see Donald Duck always as a loser. So Elisa
Penna asked to Martina and Carpi to create a sort of superhero double
identity for Donald Duck. In Italy there were other dark heroes in that time
in other comics: Diabolik, Satanik, ... and on TV ther was a parody of the
genre by an actor (Johnny Dorelli---> Dorellik). So they chose "Paperinik"
as the name (Donald Duck = Paperino in Italy) for this "dark" identity of
DD. Now there is a monthly magazine dedicated to the stories of Paperinik
and the other Disney superheroes.
Bye!
Gianfranco.
>
>> These stories involved the usual characters,
>> $crooge, H,D&L, Gyro and Donald Duck as a superhero called
>> 'Superduck.'
>
>Superduck is an Italian invention and when discussing him on this list,
>we usually call him by his original name: Paperinik. He has been drawn by
>many different artists during the years, but I am sure that some of our
>Italian members could tell you a little more about his origins.
Yeah!
Paperinik was created by Guido Martina (texts) and Giovan Battista Carpi (art).
In that time, boys were writing to Topolino (the weekly Italian Disney
magazine); they were sad to see Donald Duck always as a loser. So Elisa
Penna asked to Martina and Carpi to create a sort of superhero double
identity for Donald Duck. In Italy there were other dark heroes in that time
in other comics: Diabolik, Satanik, ... and on TV ther was a parody of the
genre by an actor (Johnny Dorelli---> Dorellik). So they chose "Paperinik"
as the name (Donald Duck = Paperino in Italy) for this "dark" identity of
DD. Now there is a monthly magazine dedicated to the stories of Paperinik
and the other Disney superheroes.
Bye!
Gianfranco.
Gianfranco Goria - Anonima Fumetti - Italian Cartoonists Society
Rosa in Germany
Message 223 -
1995-05-31 at 11:39:25
>But then again, this
>> story would take place 8 years after 1966, which is way after Scrooge
>> died (in the Rosa universe, at least).
>
mh? In Italy WDco. don't let us (writers for the stories) even talk about
death... Where could I find that story in which Scrooge dies?
Thanks!
>> story would take place 8 years after 1966, which is way after Scrooge
>> died (in the Rosa universe, at least).
>
mh? In Italy WDco. don't let us (writers for the stories) even talk about
death... Where could I find that story in which Scrooge dies?
Thanks!
Gianfranco Goria - Anonima Fumetti - Italian Cartoonists Society
Chiascuro (not Disney)
Message 224 -
1995-05-31 at 11:40:31
> Dave Rawson's Chiascuro
Dear Mike,
can you send me a file (gif or whaterver else) with a page of this story?
May be we can be intersted in publishing it in Italy, as Anonima Fumetti
(the Italian cartoonists society).
---
We (Anonima Fumetti, the Italian cartoonists society) are looking for comics
or/and strips to publish in Italy (yes, we have to try to do it ourselves,
the cartoonists, because often publishers are not really interested in some
kind of Comics we consider good). Can you suggest me something and send me
GIFs and contacts?
Thanks you very much!
Dear Mike,
can you send me a file (gif or whaterver else) with a page of this story?
May be we can be intersted in publishing it in Italy, as Anonima Fumetti
(the Italian cartoonists society).
---
We (Anonima Fumetti, the Italian cartoonists society) are looking for comics
or/and strips to publish in Italy (yes, we have to try to do it ourselves,
the cartoonists, because often publishers are not really interested in some
kind of Comics we consider good). Can you suggest me something and send me
GIFs and contacts?
Thanks you very much!
9475609
Disney-comics digest #679.
Message 225 -
1995-05-31 at 11:52:15
Sorry all of you had to read my description of the controversial
Disney cartoons and comics TWICE, in a short version and then a longer
one. To make a long story short, I accidentally sent the letter to
Alcohol at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk, Wolf-EatingPigs at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk... you
get the idea; I wrote what was supposed to be the Subject line into the
addresses. But I thought that was ALL I'd sent the letter to, so I sent
it again. And before I did, I trimmed it because I thought I'd gone on
too long. As it was, you got to see BOTH versions of my comments.
I'll be going back to America next week, so if anyone has any
objects to mail to me, please send them to this address from now on:
David Gerstein
620 E. Valerio St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93103
USA
This includes you, Mattias, if your friend hasn't sent the NAFSK
issue to me yet. (I haven't received it in Scotland.)
I'll be back at my Santa Barbara e-mail address soon, too. I'll
send it to all of you just before I leave.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Disney cartoons and comics TWICE, in a short version and then a longer
one. To make a long story short, I accidentally sent the letter to
Alcohol at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk, Wolf-EatingPigs at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk... you
get the idea; I wrote what was supposed to be the Subject line into the
addresses. But I thought that was ALL I'd sent the letter to, so I sent
it again. And before I did, I trimmed it because I thought I'd gone on
too long. As it was, you got to see BOTH versions of my comments.
I'll be going back to America next week, so if anyone has any
objects to mail to me, please send them to this address from now on:
David Gerstein
620 E. Valerio St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93103
USA
This includes you, Mattias, if your friend hasn't sent the NAFSK
issue to me yet. (I haven't received it in Scotland.)
I'll be back at my Santa Barbara e-mail address soon, too. I'll
send it to all of you just before I leave.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>