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1995-05-08 at 22:13:31
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M. Mitchell Marmel
Disney-comics digest #653.
Message 47 -
1995-05-09 at 00:58:50
>about it, in the Kalevala. See, in there Joukahainen, the demigod-smith makes
>the Sampo, a money-machine, which creates money or gold or something just like
>that from thin air.
SAMPO!!!
"I got yer Sampo right here!" - Crow T. Robot, _Mystery Science Theater
3000,_ Comedy Central cable network.
-MMM-
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>the Sampo, a money-machine, which creates money or gold or something just like
>that from thin air.
SAMPO!!!
"I got yer Sampo right here!" - Crow T. Robot, _Mystery Science Theater
3000,_ Comedy Central cable network.
-MMM-
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M. Mitchell Marmel \ Scattered, smothered, covered, chunked,
Drexel University \ whipped, beaten, chained and pierced.
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1995-05-09 at 03:23:52
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Bob Wright
Disney-comics digest #652.
Message 49 -
1995-05-09 at 06:25:23
>I haven't read "Only a Poor Man
>Yet" which I'm sure I'll enjoy better, nor the text piece accompanying
>the story, which I'm looking forward to reading.
AUGIE: I'm surprised to find a duck fan who has never read "Only a Poor, Old
Man". As I recall, this disappeared very quickly from the racks when it
first came out. I consider it the difinitive Scrooge story.
> I don't know how you could expect Gladstone to mail their albums out
> in better containers. Those folded up cardboard things function
>exactly like a solid box as near as I can tell.
DON: It was only a six-issue subscription. I was able to get
replacement copies for the damaged ones. I use a good mail order source
now.
>Yet" which I'm sure I'll enjoy better, nor the text piece accompanying
>the story, which I'm looking forward to reading.
AUGIE: I'm surprised to find a duck fan who has never read "Only a Poor, Old
Man". As I recall, this disappeared very quickly from the racks when it
first came out. I consider it the difinitive Scrooge story.
> I don't know how you could expect Gladstone to mail their albums out
> in better containers. Those folded up cardboard things function
>exactly like a solid box as near as I can tell.
DON: It was only a six-issue subscription. I was able to get
replacement copies for the damaged ones. I use a good mail order source
now.
9475609
Disney-comics digest #657.
Message 50 -
1995-05-09 at 08:59:15
AUGIE:
>It's like DuckTales and Lo$ are linked now, in possibly bringing
>someone back to the comics. I hope he decided to jump on the
>bandwagon. =)
Are they linked? More so than you'd think.
DON AND EVERYONE ELSE: I read it in some animation magazine that Disney
TV animation is considering MAKING A DUCKTALES FEATURE FILM OF YOUR
LO$!!! I don't know if there is any truth in this rumor, but since you
have worked with them before, Don, I think that THE TIME IS NOW for you
to get back in touch with Disney TV. You don't want to see your own
story cliche-ized for the tube, and you bet they'll listen to the
story's AUTHOR, if no one else.
HARRY:
>This week in Dutch DD weekly: your story "Two in One". Colouring is
>beautiful.
YYYEEESS! Well, the mail strike is OVER NOW, so go ahead and send "Two
in One" my way. Actually, can you send me two (!) copies? If the
coloring is as good as you say, maybe I'll send it to Gladstone to
influence their coloring whenever they print the story. (They'll
hopefully not put GREEN cuffs on Scrooge's coat though ;-)
WILMER:
>I have only one comment to make on Van Horn's artwork - I **really**
>don't like the shapes of the ducklings' heads. They look like bubbles
>with tiny bills stuck on.
And this is more obvious in "Horsing Around" (where IMHO the nephews are
by far the worst thing about the art) than anywhere else. Van Horn drew
very nice nephews for a long time; now in some of his most recent
stories (including this one) he tries to make them look, it would seem,
a little more like Barks' versions. They look scrawnier and more frail
now, and their beaks almost come off as froglike. Please, give us the
old, more dynamic Van Horn nephews again!
HORSING AROUND WITH HISTORY
has made it over here in its Gladstone printing now. I felt that the
story read, unmistakably, as a Barks story. The feeling of the wording
was unmistakably Barks. But again, the story is just inadequate. It
wouldn't be bad if it didn't end when it did -- if, like someone
suggested, there was a duel in the money bin. But we build ourselves up
here for a climax which never occurs.
At least now I know that the BBs knew nothing about the Trojan
Horse before U$ found it. Whew! (Or is that... "phew"?) But I don't
like how vague their motivation is. At the beginning, it's not clear
why they're spying on Scrooge, although I suppose they suspected he was
about due to head off on a treasure hunt. Later on, as Geoff Blum
mentioned in his article, it isn't clear whether the Beagles should
really be after Scrooge's bin contents or the horse itself. And
finally, as our own Rick Engle mentioned, why didn't the Beagles take
advantage of that "whinny"? I hadn't thought about it before, but THIS
is perhaps the biggest oversight of them all. In fact, if the BBs had
whinnied while INSIDE the horse, it might have been a good way for them
to reveal themselves and set the stage for an expanded ending.
The text makes this story feel like a Barks tale of the early
1950s, but the story itself feels like a weaker 1960s effort.
EVERYBODY:
The WWW page now has a new feature which Per and I have added,
still in its early stages. Let's say you're looking through our
database index of Gladstones and see an issue you haven't read with some
interesting-looking Danish, Dutch, or original AR stories inside. Would
you like to know what these stories are like prior to searching out the
issue? Well, I've written capsule summaries of about 200
Danish/Dutch/AR/K stories (1-pagers not included) and now if you plug
some codes from our Database lists into our "look up a story by code"
program, you can read a newly-written SUMMARY of the story you want!
I've restricted my summaries to stories reprinted in the United
States, although I may soon add some I've read in British editions.
Also, there aren't summaries for a handful of stories I couldn't
remember the plots of offhand.
Enjoy!
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
>It's like DuckTales and Lo$ are linked now, in possibly bringing
>someone back to the comics. I hope he decided to jump on the
>bandwagon. =)
Are they linked? More so than you'd think.
DON AND EVERYONE ELSE: I read it in some animation magazine that Disney
TV animation is considering MAKING A DUCKTALES FEATURE FILM OF YOUR
LO$!!! I don't know if there is any truth in this rumor, but since you
have worked with them before, Don, I think that THE TIME IS NOW for you
to get back in touch with Disney TV. You don't want to see your own
story cliche-ized for the tube, and you bet they'll listen to the
story's AUTHOR, if no one else.
HARRY:
>This week in Dutch DD weekly: your story "Two in One". Colouring is
>beautiful.
YYYEEESS! Well, the mail strike is OVER NOW, so go ahead and send "Two
in One" my way. Actually, can you send me two (!) copies? If the
coloring is as good as you say, maybe I'll send it to Gladstone to
influence their coloring whenever they print the story. (They'll
hopefully not put GREEN cuffs on Scrooge's coat though ;-)
WILMER:
>I have only one comment to make on Van Horn's artwork - I **really**
>don't like the shapes of the ducklings' heads. They look like bubbles
>with tiny bills stuck on.
And this is more obvious in "Horsing Around" (where IMHO the nephews are
by far the worst thing about the art) than anywhere else. Van Horn drew
very nice nephews for a long time; now in some of his most recent
stories (including this one) he tries to make them look, it would seem,
a little more like Barks' versions. They look scrawnier and more frail
now, and their beaks almost come off as froglike. Please, give us the
old, more dynamic Van Horn nephews again!
HORSING AROUND WITH HISTORY
has made it over here in its Gladstone printing now. I felt that the
story read, unmistakably, as a Barks story. The feeling of the wording
was unmistakably Barks. But again, the story is just inadequate. It
wouldn't be bad if it didn't end when it did -- if, like someone
suggested, there was a duel in the money bin. But we build ourselves up
here for a climax which never occurs.
At least now I know that the BBs knew nothing about the Trojan
Horse before U$ found it. Whew! (Or is that... "phew"?) But I don't
like how vague their motivation is. At the beginning, it's not clear
why they're spying on Scrooge, although I suppose they suspected he was
about due to head off on a treasure hunt. Later on, as Geoff Blum
mentioned in his article, it isn't clear whether the Beagles should
really be after Scrooge's bin contents or the horse itself. And
finally, as our own Rick Engle mentioned, why didn't the Beagles take
advantage of that "whinny"? I hadn't thought about it before, but THIS
is perhaps the biggest oversight of them all. In fact, if the BBs had
whinnied while INSIDE the horse, it might have been a good way for them
to reveal themselves and set the stage for an expanded ending.
The text makes this story feel like a Barks tale of the early
1950s, but the story itself feels like a weaker 1960s effort.
EVERYBODY:
The WWW page now has a new feature which Per and I have added,
still in its early stages. Let's say you're looking through our
database index of Gladstones and see an issue you haven't read with some
interesting-looking Danish, Dutch, or original AR stories inside. Would
you like to know what these stories are like prior to searching out the
issue? Well, I've written capsule summaries of about 200
Danish/Dutch/AR/K stories (1-pagers not included) and now if you plug
some codes from our Database lists into our "look up a story by code"
program, you can read a newly-written SUMMARY of the story you want!
I've restricted my summaries to stories reprinted in the United
States, although I may soon add some I've read in British editions.
Also, there aren't summaries for a handful of stories I couldn't
remember the plots of offhand.
Enjoy!
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #657.
Message 51 -
1995-05-09 at 15:48:00
PETER:
Your are not the first person to say that they thought I strayed
from the Barks "canon" by saying the Money Bin was built in 1902 and not 50
years later as was stated when Donald showed the kids Uncle $crooge's "NEW
Money Bin" in a 1952 WDC&S. But you must know that the earliest versions of
$crooge in Barks' own stories were nothing like the version he settled on
when he started $crooge in his own title. Barks never dreamed $crooge was
more than a one-shot character and only slowly turned him into a continuing
character for the series, thinking up new angles and ideas as he went. The
Money Bin was something Barks didn't think of until 1952, but even Barks
later treated the Bin as though $crooge had built it many decades earlier
than 1952. In fact, in that back-up titleless story in one early UNCLE
$CROOGE issue -- the story about $crooge having to move the Bin around to
get it out of the way of dams and rocket-launchers and so on -- $crooge
states something like "And here on this hill is where my Money Bin has stood
for 70 years!" Now you could say I'm inaccurate since I don't have $crooge
building the Bin in 1882 (when he wasn't even rich yet).
Plus, there's always "literary" or "dramatic license" to consider.
It's easy to see how a Bin built all at once to cap off chapter 10 is vastly
more interesting than one edged up to for the next 50 years. No story value
there.
Also, as to how he could build the Bin and still have all 8
hogsheads of cash left: I'm sure your German edition correctly translated
the portions of chapter 9 that told of how this was only $crooge's ready
CASH at the moment he left Canada. I showed that he still owned countless
industries and banks all over the Northwest -- these would surely provide
enough cash flow to build one Bin. As I try to state clearly in chapter 12
since so many people seem to think that ALL of $crooge's money is what's in
that Bin, that's only the cash he earned in the early decades of his
struggle (say, 1902-1940); of course he owns limitless businesses that
generate billions more $ every day (every minute?) but that is NOT what's in
the Bin. How could it be? That money is reinvested or is credited in
accounts in all his banks. Make sense?
But as I've said before, I'm not saying your idea is wrong, or that
either of us is right. The "Lo$" is only MY version of all this stuff. If
you have a different idea, it's just as good as mine. But I had to weigh all
the options I had on every fact and event in that series, and make a choice.
And I'm still very pleased with all my choices, while not expecting anyone
else should be as pleased.
MIKE:
Yes, I must have misspoke about doing a story set in Finland, since
there was another list member who thought that's what I said. I meant to say
that the Finnish editors said they would LIKE me to do a story set in
Finland, but I have not been asked to do so by my actual "boss" (Byron
Erickson). The chain of command is for them to tell HIM what they want, and
for him to decide if that's what HE wants. (And you might realize it's
somewhat unlikely for the Egmont main office to want me to spend time doing
a story that will only be of use to ONE of there many, many publishers -- so
don't expect it to happen soon.
There will be NO "Lo$" in the Finnish hardback book as they feel
those stories are too recent. I guess they'll save that for some other volume.
Your are not the first person to say that they thought I strayed
from the Barks "canon" by saying the Money Bin was built in 1902 and not 50
years later as was stated when Donald showed the kids Uncle $crooge's "NEW
Money Bin" in a 1952 WDC&S. But you must know that the earliest versions of
$crooge in Barks' own stories were nothing like the version he settled on
when he started $crooge in his own title. Barks never dreamed $crooge was
more than a one-shot character and only slowly turned him into a continuing
character for the series, thinking up new angles and ideas as he went. The
Money Bin was something Barks didn't think of until 1952, but even Barks
later treated the Bin as though $crooge had built it many decades earlier
than 1952. In fact, in that back-up titleless story in one early UNCLE
$CROOGE issue -- the story about $crooge having to move the Bin around to
get it out of the way of dams and rocket-launchers and so on -- $crooge
states something like "And here on this hill is where my Money Bin has stood
for 70 years!" Now you could say I'm inaccurate since I don't have $crooge
building the Bin in 1882 (when he wasn't even rich yet).
Plus, there's always "literary" or "dramatic license" to consider.
It's easy to see how a Bin built all at once to cap off chapter 10 is vastly
more interesting than one edged up to for the next 50 years. No story value
there.
Also, as to how he could build the Bin and still have all 8
hogsheads of cash left: I'm sure your German edition correctly translated
the portions of chapter 9 that told of how this was only $crooge's ready
CASH at the moment he left Canada. I showed that he still owned countless
industries and banks all over the Northwest -- these would surely provide
enough cash flow to build one Bin. As I try to state clearly in chapter 12
since so many people seem to think that ALL of $crooge's money is what's in
that Bin, that's only the cash he earned in the early decades of his
struggle (say, 1902-1940); of course he owns limitless businesses that
generate billions more $ every day (every minute?) but that is NOT what's in
the Bin. How could it be? That money is reinvested or is credited in
accounts in all his banks. Make sense?
But as I've said before, I'm not saying your idea is wrong, or that
either of us is right. The "Lo$" is only MY version of all this stuff. If
you have a different idea, it's just as good as mine. But I had to weigh all
the options I had on every fact and event in that series, and make a choice.
And I'm still very pleased with all my choices, while not expecting anyone
else should be as pleased.
MIKE:
Yes, I must have misspoke about doing a story set in Finland, since
there was another list member who thought that's what I said. I meant to say
that the Finnish editors said they would LIKE me to do a story set in
Finland, but I have not been asked to do so by my actual "boss" (Byron
Erickson). The chain of command is for them to tell HIM what they want, and
for him to decide if that's what HE wants. (And you might realize it's
somewhat unlikely for the Egmont main office to want me to spend time doing
a story that will only be of use to ONE of there many, many publishers -- so
don't expect it to happen soon.
There will be NO "Lo$" in the Finnish hardback book as they feel
those stories are too recent. I guess they'll save that for some other volume.
LAFFALOT
Foreign Disney Comics
Message 52 -
1995-05-09 at 15:57:42
I'm interested in obtaining new issues of disney comics from European
publishers. Is there anyplace in the US that they are available, or maybe
one of you fine folks out there can help me out ;). Please E-mail me if you
have any ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Laffalot at aol.com
(Ken Gordon)
publishers. Is there anyplace in the US that they are available, or maybe
one of you fine folks out there can help me out ;). Please E-mail me if you
have any ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Laffalot at aol.com
(Ken Gordon)
9475609
Screamin' My Heart Out Fer Yew
Message 53 -
1995-05-09 at 19:35:20
MATTIAS' .sig file reminded me, of course, of the classic story
"The Screaming Cowboy", so since we have a lot more members on the list
than last time I asked, I thought I'd bring this one up again.
In 1983 or so, Disneyland Records issued an album of Disney cowboy
songs titled _Pardners_. All the songs were either from films ("A
Cowboy Needs a Horse") or simply produced just for the album ("Cowboy
Goofy"), except one. That one was somebody's attempt to finish Barks'
DD "Screaming Cowboy" song, beginning with the lines as given in
Mattias' signature but going on to some new ones.
The record label made the title of the song a little longer,
calling it "Song of the Screaming Cowboy" or something. My own copy of
the record "went" in a garage sale long before I ever actually read
Barks' story.
I'm interested in getting an audio tape with _Pardners'_
"complete" version of the song on it -- or at least having someone
transcribe the words. Can anyone help me?
David Gerstein
"Oh! The crow's caw-caw an' the mule's hee-haw!
Gosh, what a racket like an old buzz saw!"
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"The Screaming Cowboy", so since we have a lot more members on the list
than last time I asked, I thought I'd bring this one up again.
In 1983 or so, Disneyland Records issued an album of Disney cowboy
songs titled _Pardners_. All the songs were either from films ("A
Cowboy Needs a Horse") or simply produced just for the album ("Cowboy
Goofy"), except one. That one was somebody's attempt to finish Barks'
DD "Screaming Cowboy" song, beginning with the lines as given in
Mattias' signature but going on to some new ones.
The record label made the title of the song a little longer,
calling it "Song of the Screaming Cowboy" or something. My own copy of
the record "went" in a garage sale long before I ever actually read
Barks' story.
I'm interested in getting an audio tape with _Pardners'_
"complete" version of the song on it -- or at least having someone
transcribe the words. Can anyone help me?
David Gerstein
"Oh! The crow's caw-caw an' the mule's hee-haw!
Gosh, what a racket like an old buzz saw!"
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Deckerd
Carl Fallberg
Message 54 -
1995-05-10 at 00:08:34
I just received some sad news about Carl Fallberg,
whom you may remember as a Disney studio storyman
and director as well as a writer of Disney comics
after the war. A friend of mine wrote Fallberg to
inquire about a book about Disney that CF has been working
on for a decade or so, and got a reply from Fallberg's
daughter. I'm not sure how much of the detail is meant
for public knowledge, so I'll summarize it by saying
that the 79-year-old Mr. Fallberg is in a "senior
board-and-care" (i.e., an old-age home) and unlikely,
given his condition, to ever finish work on his
uncompleted Disney book. I was very sad to hear
about this, as I've enjoyed his work over the years
and was looking forward to his book.
--Dwight Decker
whom you may remember as a Disney studio storyman
and director as well as a writer of Disney comics
after the war. A friend of mine wrote Fallberg to
inquire about a book about Disney that CF has been working
on for a decade or so, and got a reply from Fallberg's
daughter. I'm not sure how much of the detail is meant
for public knowledge, so I'll summarize it by saying
that the 79-year-old Mr. Fallberg is in a "senior
board-and-care" (i.e., an old-age home) and unlikely,
given his condition, to ever finish work on his
uncompleted Disney book. I was very sad to hear
about this, as I've enjoyed his work over the years
and was looking forward to his book.
--Dwight Decker
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #658.
Message 55 -
1995-05-10 at 07:46:00
DAVID:
I think the place you read about my "Lo$" being turned into a
feature-length DUCKTALES cartoon was in that HERO article -- and I don't
think there's a shred of truth in it.
But even if it was, I'd have no reason to call Disney, nor they me.
Disney has the right to do whatever they wish with any of my stories without
permission or royalties... and I doubt that they'd have any interest in me
being involved. "Original author"? Remember that Disney officially considers
Disney to be the original author on any licensed character stories, even
those done for other companies. They probably consider that acknowledging
otherwise would set a dangerous legal precedent... the same reason they
won't allow freelance artists to have posession of their own art. And to get
involved in what DUCKTALES would want to do to the "Lo$" would only make me
crazy.
But it's only a wacky rumor, anyway.
I think the place you read about my "Lo$" being turned into a
feature-length DUCKTALES cartoon was in that HERO article -- and I don't
think there's a shred of truth in it.
But even if it was, I'd have no reason to call Disney, nor they me.
Disney has the right to do whatever they wish with any of my stories without
permission or royalties... and I doubt that they'd have any interest in me
being involved. "Original author"? Remember that Disney officially considers
Disney to be the original author on any licensed character stories, even
those done for other companies. They probably consider that acknowledging
otherwise would set a dangerous legal precedent... the same reason they
won't allow freelance artists to have posession of their own art. And to get
involved in what DUCKTALES would want to do to the "Lo$" would only make me
crazy.
But it's only a wacky rumor, anyway.
Mark Mayerson
Barks Library back in print?
Message 56 -
1995-05-10 at 15:45:34
I found this on rec.arts.disney and it's the first time I've heard of it.
Is it true?
Brent Swanson wrote:
> The most cost-
> effective method of getting a complete Barks collection is to subscribe
> to all of Another Rainbow/Gladstone's _Carl Barks Library_ comic
> albums. These offer excellent color reprints of all Barks's stories.
> Better hurry though; Gladstone is letting earlier issues go out of
> print to make room for...a second printing of the _Carl Barks Library_.
> This is the BIG, 30-volume (in 10 boxed sets) black and white collection
> of all the Barks duck stories (plus his one-shot efforts at Pluto and
> Mickey Mouse). Bruce Hamilton had said this would never be reprinted,
> but orders are quietly being taken for the first three sets, due out
> late this month or early next.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Catapult Productions
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 504-9876
Is it true?
Brent Swanson wrote:
> The most cost-
> effective method of getting a complete Barks collection is to subscribe
> to all of Another Rainbow/Gladstone's _Carl Barks Library_ comic
> albums. These offer excellent color reprints of all Barks's stories.
> Better hurry though; Gladstone is letting earlier issues go out of
> print to make room for...a second printing of the _Carl Barks Library_.
> This is the BIG, 30-volume (in 10 boxed sets) black and white collection
> of all the Barks duck stories (plus his one-shot efforts at Pluto and
> Mickey Mouse). Bruce Hamilton had said this would never be reprinted,
> but orders are quietly being taken for the first three sets, due out
> late this month or early next.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Catapult Productions
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 504-9876
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #657.
Message 57 -
1995-05-10 at 18:30:28
JORGEN:
>That's just some Finnish idea. Some people do everything for money,
>even declaring that some more or less mythical character lives a
>certain place he, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with.
Well, the original idea of Santa Claus comes from (this goes a bit
far from Disney-comics, but I'll say it anyway) The Saint Niclas who gave
gifts to children. I don't know where the idea of Santa living in a snowy
place comes from, but it is quite popular to my knowledge (i.e. Northpole,
Finland etc.) And the whole Fennoskandia and surroundings have for a long
time, I think, believed that Santa lives in some far-off cold land such as
the Finnish Lapland. Just in reasent years have the Swedes tried to make a
Christmas Land and say that Santa lives in Sweden. What's your point of view?
HARRY:
>The REAL Santa Claus is of course Sinterklaas, who lives in Spain!
That's absurd! What's he doing in Spain then?-o Swimming in sun-shine
and feeding Rudolph the Bull?->
Yes, there are some Swedish speaking people in Finland. And yes,
Kalle Anka is available in the best equipped stores in Finland and can also
be subscribed here.
>And are the Sames the same Sames from that Eurovision contest song
>"Saamid Aetnan" (which was, I think, a Norwegian song) ?
"Are Sames same Sames" ;)
Yes, I suppose so. Samish people are in general the native Laplanders
and as I suppose you know, parts of Lapland are in Sweden and Norway (maybe
even in Russia) too.
Sorry, lost your name somewhere:
>SAMPO!!!
>"I got yer Sampo right here!" - Crow T. Robot, _Mystery Science Theater
>3000,_ Comedy Central cable network.
Yes, Sampo. Is there something particularily hilarious in it? Is there
a joke here I'm supposed to understand?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
>That's just some Finnish idea. Some people do everything for money,
>even declaring that some more or less mythical character lives a
>certain place he, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with.
Well, the original idea of Santa Claus comes from (this goes a bit
far from Disney-comics, but I'll say it anyway) The Saint Niclas who gave
gifts to children. I don't know where the idea of Santa living in a snowy
place comes from, but it is quite popular to my knowledge (i.e. Northpole,
Finland etc.) And the whole Fennoskandia and surroundings have for a long
time, I think, believed that Santa lives in some far-off cold land such as
the Finnish Lapland. Just in reasent years have the Swedes tried to make a
Christmas Land and say that Santa lives in Sweden. What's your point of view?
HARRY:
>The REAL Santa Claus is of course Sinterklaas, who lives in Spain!
That's absurd! What's he doing in Spain then?-o Swimming in sun-shine
and feeding Rudolph the Bull?->
Yes, there are some Swedish speaking people in Finland. And yes,
Kalle Anka is available in the best equipped stores in Finland and can also
be subscribed here.
>And are the Sames the same Sames from that Eurovision contest song
>"Saamid Aetnan" (which was, I think, a Norwegian song) ?
"Are Sames same Sames" ;)
Yes, I suppose so. Samish people are in general the native Laplanders
and as I suppose you know, parts of Lapland are in Sweden and Norway (maybe
even in Russia) too.
Sorry, lost your name somewhere:
>SAMPO!!!
>"I got yer Sampo right here!" - Crow T. Robot, _Mystery Science Theater
>3000,_ Comedy Central cable network.
Yes, Sampo. Is there something particularily hilarious in it? Is there
a joke here I'm supposed to understand?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #658.
Message 58 -
1995-05-10 at 18:51:55
DON AGAIN:
People actually contact you and ask for references?! That's great! If
you hear about them again, please tell them I appreciate their work a lot!
Can't you really just decide for yourself something like: "Oh my, what
Mike has told me about Finland has really inspired me and I would love to do
a story with Scrooge looking for Sampo in Finland."? I mean, was Lo$ all idea
of Byron Erickson?-/ And of course American/Spanish/Arabian/Greek and quite
any people could enjoy a story set in Finland if us Finnish people can and do
enjoy the stories set in those countires. And both Barks and you made a story
set in Norway! So whaddaya say..? <looks up at you with big sad poppie eyes)
No Lo$ stories in the hardback? Not even the two first that were never
shown here? Oh, damn!
Yesterday I had to take a long bus trip and had some time to make a
few scetches that all look quite Finnish to me. First is Donald Duck swimming
at summer evening, sun setting behind him and a warm sauna being near him in
the strand and some dangle birches (I don't know if there actually is such a
word in English, but it sounds ok to me) around the sauna. On another one
Donald is in Lapland, standing in the snow with a Same shaman next to him and
Don is petting a reindeer. This is during the season when sun doesn't come
up at all in Northern Finland. Then I thought that using both of these (and
some additional ones as well) would be the best option and made a picture of
Donald having just arrived from his trip to Finland and the photos (the
scetches) surrounding him. That looked good.
PS: One more fact about Finland: WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
People actually contact you and ask for references?! That's great! If
you hear about them again, please tell them I appreciate their work a lot!
Can't you really just decide for yourself something like: "Oh my, what
Mike has told me about Finland has really inspired me and I would love to do
a story with Scrooge looking for Sampo in Finland."? I mean, was Lo$ all idea
of Byron Erickson?-/ And of course American/Spanish/Arabian/Greek and quite
any people could enjoy a story set in Finland if us Finnish people can and do
enjoy the stories set in those countires. And both Barks and you made a story
set in Norway! So whaddaya say..? <looks up at you with big sad poppie eyes)
No Lo$ stories in the hardback? Not even the two first that were never
shown here? Oh, damn!
Yesterday I had to take a long bus trip and had some time to make a
few scetches that all look quite Finnish to me. First is Donald Duck swimming
at summer evening, sun setting behind him and a warm sauna being near him in
the strand and some dangle birches (I don't know if there actually is such a
word in English, but it sounds ok to me) around the sauna. On another one
Donald is in Lapland, standing in the snow with a Same shaman next to him and
Don is petting a reindeer. This is during the season when sun doesn't come
up at all in Northern Finland. Then I thought that using both of these (and
some additional ones as well) would be the best option and made a picture of
Donald having just arrived from his trip to Finland and the photos (the
scetches) surrounding him. That looked good.
PS: One more fact about Finland: WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
H.W. Fluks
Santa Claus stuff (it's the season for it...)
Message 59 -
1995-05-10 at 19:14:27
I said:
> The REAL Santa Claus is of course Sinterklaas, who lives in Spain!
Mike:
> That's absurd! What's he doing in Spain then?-o Swimming in sun-shine
> and feeding Rudolph the Bull?->
To bring the subject back to Disney comics: there was a Dutch Donald Duck
weekly, some years ago, which actually showed Sinterklaas sun-bathing in
Spain, wearing only his shorts! Not in a comic story, but in a "Duckburg
Times", the "newspaper" that is in DD weekly sometimes.
<non-disney>
Sinterklaas is short for "Sint Nicolaas", the bishop of Myra (Turkey) who
was good for children. The American Santa Claus is a combination of the Dutch
Sinterklaas and the English (and other country's) "Father Christmas".
As far as I know, the whole north pole and reindeer thing is an American
invention. Sinterklaas has a white horse, and a servant called Zwarte Piet
("Black Pete").
</non-disney>
--Harry.
> The REAL Santa Claus is of course Sinterklaas, who lives in Spain!
Mike:
> That's absurd! What's he doing in Spain then?-o Swimming in sun-shine
> and feeding Rudolph the Bull?->
To bring the subject back to Disney comics: there was a Dutch Donald Duck
weekly, some years ago, which actually showed Sinterklaas sun-bathing in
Spain, wearing only his shorts! Not in a comic story, but in a "Duckburg
Times", the "newspaper" that is in DD weekly sometimes.
<non-disney>
Sinterklaas is short for "Sint Nicolaas", the bishop of Myra (Turkey) who
was good for children. The American Santa Claus is a combination of the Dutch
Sinterklaas and the English (and other country's) "Father Christmas".
As far as I know, the whole north pole and reindeer thing is an American
invention. Sinterklaas has a white horse, and a servant called Zwarte Piet
("Black Pete").
</non-disney>
--Harry.
M. Mitchell Marmel
Disney-comics digest #657.
Message 60 -
1995-05-10 at 19:35:17
>>SAMPO!!!
>>"I got yer Sampo right here!" - Crow T. Robot, _Mystery Science Theater
>>3000,_ Comedy Central cable network.
>
> Yes, Sampo. Is there something particularily hilarious in it? Is there
>a joke here I'm supposed to understand?
Ah. Yes, I suppose if you don't get the programme, you wouldn't
understand. Mystery Science Theater 3000 (abbreviated to MST3K) is a cable
televison programme here in the US dedicated to bad movies; basically, a
man and two robots heckle them. One of the movies in question was called,
in English, "The Day the Earth Froze" which tells a story about some witch
trying to capture the Sampo. Now, since the word Sampo, to Americans,
suggests some sort of 1950's household product, well...
Anyhow, this is outside the purview of the Disney list, so I'll be still.
Mitch
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>>"I got yer Sampo right here!" - Crow T. Robot, _Mystery Science Theater
>>3000,_ Comedy Central cable network.
>
> Yes, Sampo. Is there something particularily hilarious in it? Is there
>a joke here I'm supposed to understand?
Ah. Yes, I suppose if you don't get the programme, you wouldn't
understand. Mystery Science Theater 3000 (abbreviated to MST3K) is a cable
televison programme here in the US dedicated to bad movies; basically, a
man and two robots heckle them. One of the movies in question was called,
in English, "The Day the Earth Froze" which tells a story about some witch
trying to capture the Sampo. Now, since the word Sampo, to Americans,
suggests some sort of 1950's household product, well...
Anyhow, this is outside the purview of the Disney list, so I'll be still.
Mitch
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M. Mitchell Marmel \ Scattered, smothered, covered, chunked,
Drexel University \ whipped, beaten, chained and pierced.
Department of Materials Engineering \ *THE BEST HASHBROWNS IN THE WORLD!*
Fibrous Materials Research Center \ marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu
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