MIKE:
A few days ago, Mike said to "Daniel2":
> There were lots of pictures and the story-line in the book "Min{
> Roope-Set{" (which is one of those Italian hardcover books
> (originally "Io, Paperone") containing lots of Barks' stories)
> "I, Uncle $crooge"
Then I asked Mike:
> Huh? Was this entire message meant to me? What is it about?
And he answered:
> No, most of it was meant to David, but his name just disappeared :)
> Sorry...
Now I ask: Is this a comment on the lost Scrooge cartoon, or was it
also meant to David? If it's meant to me, then I'd like to know if
your referring to the original Barks-drawings of the cartoon.
>> ["Treasure of Marco Polo" is] about a civil war in Unsteadystan
>> (read: Vietnam) and here are sure a lot of explosions in the story.
> Is it a good adventure then? What does Scrooge has to do in Uns...?
It is a strange adventure, because it takes place in a war. The story
is about Scrooge going to Unsteadystan, because a jade elephant he
ordered, wasn't delivered because of the war there. Scrooge wants to
get that elephant himself.
But I think I would be a "spoiler" when I tell you everything, it's
better that you get to read the story yourself... Tell me if that
isn't possible.
--- Daniel
Author
Topic: 199506
(219 messages)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Disney-comics digest #689.
Message 106 -
1995-06-10 at 20:40:12
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Horsing Around with History
Message 107 -
1995-06-11 at 02:30:05
Hi all!
Maybe I'm the last one here who red the new Barks adventure. There
has already been a lot of talking about it. But I sure like to tell
you what I think of the story.
At first I think this *is* a Barks story. I think the plot is very
good. If Barks would have worked with this plot in his productive
days, it would have been a memorable story. But there are sure some
mistakes in it (apart from Van Horn's art).
---
At first I think the story has a very slow beginning, the logic order
of Barks' stories isn't there anymore. I think the part of the story
in which Scrooge's button is stolen and then replaced is *much* to
long. It has also too much "camera-switchings".
*After seven pages* the story itself begins! Those 7 pages could have
been much shorter and more logical. The switching of the buttons
(introducing the albatros and Beagle Boys) could have been *much*
shorter, less than two (logical!) pages. After that the story would
have been ready to "go", with introducing the ship and after that the
leaving.
What I also find illogical here was the tailors eat prunes, which
remembers the nephews of the Beagle Boys... but then at the same time
the whole suspection is gone because "maybe all tailors like prunes!"
What??? Is *that* a reason? Are these kids the three ducks which
suspected almost *everything* in the past?
Barks could have been far more subtile in thinking about a clear way
to introduce the Beagle Boys, the albatross and "a certain smell" (a
smell that's need for the ending). The idea is good, but it's very
bad worked out.
---
The second illogical part is the one in which the ducks discover a
message. It's a *cryptical* S.O.S. What?? How can you get more
illogical? You want to be rescued and then you write a riddle instead
of a clear "Help! I'm at that position."? No wonder those men had to
wait thousands of years... and it's also illogical because a part of
the plot is that Scrooge gets this treasure as a *gift*.
Barks easily could have scrapped that part, making the story much
easier to read, more condensed and much "stronger".
---
As far as I know, Barks made only a written synopsis of the story. If
he would have sketched the story, he would have seen the story isn't
very logical in these parts. I think that Barks wasn't only a story-
teller, but also a *composer*. His stories were like symphonies.
His earlier working methods were: writing a story, scripting a story,
sketching a story (and then finally drawing the story by pencilling
those sketches). In those phases he used the chance to get away with
flaws in a story. Now the story got stuck in the earliest phase.
So, my opinion of the story is: Plot *very* good and *very* original,
story (as it now is) very bad. It's sad in a way: Barks could have
surprised and impressed the world with his last story (almost 30
years after his retirement), but he *didn't*.
--- Daniel, still a Barks fan ;-)
Maybe I'm the last one here who red the new Barks adventure. There
has already been a lot of talking about it. But I sure like to tell
you what I think of the story.
At first I think this *is* a Barks story. I think the plot is very
good. If Barks would have worked with this plot in his productive
days, it would have been a memorable story. But there are sure some
mistakes in it (apart from Van Horn's art).
---
At first I think the story has a very slow beginning, the logic order
of Barks' stories isn't there anymore. I think the part of the story
in which Scrooge's button is stolen and then replaced is *much* to
long. It has also too much "camera-switchings".
*After seven pages* the story itself begins! Those 7 pages could have
been much shorter and more logical. The switching of the buttons
(introducing the albatros and Beagle Boys) could have been *much*
shorter, less than two (logical!) pages. After that the story would
have been ready to "go", with introducing the ship and after that the
leaving.
What I also find illogical here was the tailors eat prunes, which
remembers the nephews of the Beagle Boys... but then at the same time
the whole suspection is gone because "maybe all tailors like prunes!"
What??? Is *that* a reason? Are these kids the three ducks which
suspected almost *everything* in the past?
Barks could have been far more subtile in thinking about a clear way
to introduce the Beagle Boys, the albatross and "a certain smell" (a
smell that's need for the ending). The idea is good, but it's very
bad worked out.
---
The second illogical part is the one in which the ducks discover a
message. It's a *cryptical* S.O.S. What?? How can you get more
illogical? You want to be rescued and then you write a riddle instead
of a clear "Help! I'm at that position."? No wonder those men had to
wait thousands of years... and it's also illogical because a part of
the plot is that Scrooge gets this treasure as a *gift*.
Barks easily could have scrapped that part, making the story much
easier to read, more condensed and much "stronger".
---
As far as I know, Barks made only a written synopsis of the story. If
he would have sketched the story, he would have seen the story isn't
very logical in these parts. I think that Barks wasn't only a story-
teller, but also a *composer*. His stories were like symphonies.
His earlier working methods were: writing a story, scripting a story,
sketching a story (and then finally drawing the story by pencilling
those sketches). In those phases he used the chance to get away with
flaws in a story. Now the story got stuck in the earliest phase.
So, my opinion of the story is: Plot *very* good and *very* original,
story (as it now is) very bad. It's sad in a way: Barks could have
surprised and impressed the world with his last story (almost 30
years after his retirement), but he *didn't*.
--- Daniel, still a Barks fan ;-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Who's HDL's father?
Message 108 -
1995-06-11 at 03:03:40
JAKOB:
> You say that you DON'T believe my story to be true. How could you
> know? As far as I know I am the only one who have brought some of
> the facts about HDL's father into the daylight. But I'll continue
> my research, although. Yes, HDL blew up their father's chair with
> a giant firework. And if the father wasn't killed by the incident
> he would at least be on a hospital for a *VERY* long time. And
> since Ludwig von Drake haven't appeared in a cartoon NOR a comic
> since sometime in the sixties (and maybe seventies) I think that
> is ANOTHER evidence of Ludwig being HDL's father. What do you
> think about that?
I still can't believe that Ludwig is HDL's father, I also think I
don't *want* to believe that he's their father. Even if every fact of
Ludwig and HDL could say that he is they're father, I still don't
believe. This is for the reason that he's never *intended* to be their
father by any Disney-artist...
--- Daniel
> You say that you DON'T believe my story to be true. How could you
> know? As far as I know I am the only one who have brought some of
> the facts about HDL's father into the daylight. But I'll continue
> my research, although. Yes, HDL blew up their father's chair with
> a giant firework. And if the father wasn't killed by the incident
> he would at least be on a hospital for a *VERY* long time. And
> since Ludwig von Drake haven't appeared in a cartoon NOR a comic
> since sometime in the sixties (and maybe seventies) I think that
> is ANOTHER evidence of Ludwig being HDL's father. What do you
> think about that?
I still can't believe that Ludwig is HDL's father, I also think I
don't *want* to believe that he's their father. Even if every fact of
Ludwig and HDL could say that he is they're father, I still don't
believe. This is for the reason that he's never *intended* to be their
father by any Disney-artist...
--- Daniel
KERSTIN S.DERBAUM
HDL's father
Message 109 -
1995-06-11 at 12:44:47
--- Inkommet fr}n VD.POL2 031-667632 95-06-11 11:44
-> IN=disney-comics(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE
> ERIK:
I'm very glad you think my theory MAY have some true within it!
> DANIEL:
You say that you DON'T believe my story to be true. How could you
know? As far as I know I am the only one who have brought some of
the facts about HDL's father into the daylight. But I'll continue
my research, although. Yes, HDL blew up their father's chair with
a giant firework. And if the father wasn't killed by the incident
he would at least be on a hospital for a *VERY* long time. And
since Ludwig von Drake haven't appeared in a cartoon NOR a comic
since sometime in the sixties (and maybe seventies) I think that
is ANOTHER evidence of Ludwig being HDL's father. What do you
think about that?
> MIKE:
Yes, HDL would have their fathers (Ludwig?) last name. But as far
as I know nobody ever mentioned HDL's last name in a comic, and
even IF they where called HDL Duck in that comic, this is no
evidence for them to have the last name Duck. They might as well
CALL themselves Duck, because they have lived with Donald (Duck)
for 58 years. And there is also a lot of people around the world
who take their mother's last name, and HDL's mother is Donald's
sister Dumbella "Della" Duck. Maybe they took the name Duck
because their mother had that name, and because they live
together with their uncle named Duck. But they could still be
BORN von Drake, couldn't they?
---
Jakob Soderbaum
-> IN=disney-comics(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE
> ERIK:
I'm very glad you think my theory MAY have some true within it!
> DANIEL:
You say that you DON'T believe my story to be true. How could you
know? As far as I know I am the only one who have brought some of
the facts about HDL's father into the daylight. But I'll continue
my research, although. Yes, HDL blew up their father's chair with
a giant firework. And if the father wasn't killed by the incident
he would at least be on a hospital for a *VERY* long time. And
since Ludwig von Drake haven't appeared in a cartoon NOR a comic
since sometime in the sixties (and maybe seventies) I think that
is ANOTHER evidence of Ludwig being HDL's father. What do you
think about that?
> MIKE:
Yes, HDL would have their fathers (Ludwig?) last name. But as far
as I know nobody ever mentioned HDL's last name in a comic, and
even IF they where called HDL Duck in that comic, this is no
evidence for them to have the last name Duck. They might as well
CALL themselves Duck, because they have lived with Donald (Duck)
for 58 years. And there is also a lot of people around the world
who take their mother's last name, and HDL's mother is Donald's
sister Dumbella "Della" Duck. Maybe they took the name Duck
because their mother had that name, and because they live
together with their uncle named Duck. But they could still be
BORN von Drake, couldn't they?
---
Jakob Soderbaum
Cdoberman
HDL's father
Message 110 -
1995-06-11 at 19:34:11
Jakob: " Maybe they took the name Duck
because their mother had that name. . ."
Your speculations lead me to wonder about the legitimacy of HDL's births. I
hate to consider it, but did they blow up their father for de-flowering their
mother? Are Huey, Dewey and Louie love ducklings? ;-)
All: Recently, a letter I wrote four or five months ago to Gladstone was
published in Uncle $crooge #293 with my e-mail address. The result has been
several Don Rosa Fans have written me to say how much they love Lof$. I am
referring them to this list. BTW, I wrote the letter before I knew about
this list.
Wes
"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
because their mother had that name. . ."
Your speculations lead me to wonder about the legitimacy of HDL's births. I
hate to consider it, but did they blow up their father for de-flowering their
mother? Are Huey, Dewey and Louie love ducklings? ;-)
All: Recently, a letter I wrote four or five months ago to Gladstone was
published in Uncle $crooge #293 with my e-mail address. The result has been
several Don Rosa Fans have written me to say how much they love Lof$. I am
referring them to this list. BTW, I wrote the letter before I knew about
this list.
Wes
"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
Mattias Hallin
The Unknown Father...
Message 111 -
1995-06-12 at 10:36:11
JAKOB & ERIK:
No -- I don't share your idea that Ludwig van Drake (not *von*,
BTW) is the father of HDL; and I especially don't share your approach to logic
-- that a theory could be valid, simply because noone has offered any other
theory or that the relative silence about LvD should prove he has spent time in
hospital. This is called an argument e silentio, and is a very bad thing to do
in logic, in historical source criticism and *especially* in trying to
construct a universe based on comic books. The way it works is this: you *may*
take *positive* evidence from a comicbook (e.g. it is stated that Della Duck is
the mother of HDL) and base a conclusion on this (the mother of HDL is Della
Duck); with care you may also use corroborative evidence (e.g. in one instance
in a Barks story -- the title presently eludes my memory -- HDL calls Daisy
"Aunt Daisy"/Daisy is the girlfriend of or at least courted by Donald Duck/it
is stated that Donald Duck is the brother of Della Duck) and base tentative
conclusions on this (if Daisy is a bloodrelated aunt to HDL, as opposed to
"honorific" aunt, and we believe it less likely that Donald is courting his
sister, she must be an aunt on HDL's father's side of the family; ergo -- HDL's
father is Daisy's brother).
Now, there has to my knowledge never been any mention by name of a brother of
Daisy's; but she must have at least one sibling since she has nieces (April,
May & June).
This is as far as published material allow you (me) to draw conclusions. To
fill in the voids, it is necessary if e.g. you are a comic book artist who want
to do a story about the parentage of HDL to resort to creativity -- or in other
words: to make something up that suits your needs.
Until a clear reference is made in a story, no theory that is not based in
facts from previous stories can claim any priority. *BUT* as Don likes to tell
us (and rightly so!), we are not talking 'bout real life here, but figments of
imagination -- and anyone's imagination is as good as the next guy's. We're all
free to believe what we like, like it or not!
Oh and Jakob -- I do of course realize that you've presented your theory with
not too little tongue in cheek -- so no offense taken, I hope?! where none is
indeed intended!
All my best
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
No -- I don't share your idea that Ludwig van Drake (not *von*,
BTW) is the father of HDL; and I especially don't share your approach to logic
-- that a theory could be valid, simply because noone has offered any other
theory or that the relative silence about LvD should prove he has spent time in
hospital. This is called an argument e silentio, and is a very bad thing to do
in logic, in historical source criticism and *especially* in trying to
construct a universe based on comic books. The way it works is this: you *may*
take *positive* evidence from a comicbook (e.g. it is stated that Della Duck is
the mother of HDL) and base a conclusion on this (the mother of HDL is Della
Duck); with care you may also use corroborative evidence (e.g. in one instance
in a Barks story -- the title presently eludes my memory -- HDL calls Daisy
"Aunt Daisy"/Daisy is the girlfriend of or at least courted by Donald Duck/it
is stated that Donald Duck is the brother of Della Duck) and base tentative
conclusions on this (if Daisy is a bloodrelated aunt to HDL, as opposed to
"honorific" aunt, and we believe it less likely that Donald is courting his
sister, she must be an aunt on HDL's father's side of the family; ergo -- HDL's
father is Daisy's brother).
Now, there has to my knowledge never been any mention by name of a brother of
Daisy's; but she must have at least one sibling since she has nieces (April,
May & June).
This is as far as published material allow you (me) to draw conclusions. To
fill in the voids, it is necessary if e.g. you are a comic book artist who want
to do a story about the parentage of HDL to resort to creativity -- or in other
words: to make something up that suits your needs.
Until a clear reference is made in a story, no theory that is not based in
facts from previous stories can claim any priority. *BUT* as Don likes to tell
us (and rightly so!), we are not talking 'bout real life here, but figments of
imagination -- and anyone's imagination is as good as the next guy's. We're all
free to believe what we like, like it or not!
Oh and Jakob -- I do of course realize that you've presented your theory with
not too little tongue in cheek -- so no offense taken, I hope?! where none is
indeed intended!
All my best
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Danny Coenen
Don in Cologne
Message 112 -
1995-06-12 at 11:19:47
Last Thursday I met Don Rosa, and I thought it might be of
interest to give you a brief overview of what he did during
his stay.
When I arrived at the comic shop there were already dozens of
people aged 13 to 50 standing outside waiting for Don. After he
arrived at six o`clock he took place at a prepared table
surrounded by Barks oil-paintings and received a well-made cake
formed like a dime with Scrooges (3-D) head on it. Then everybody
who has subscribed on to a special list was called to him (Well,
not all at once). As there were about 70 fans he could only do
a drawing of a Duck`s head after your wishes and sign up to five
comics. Although he said that they were of less quality as he had
to hurry so that everybody got his picture, they looked very good.
There were people with self-made Don Rosa albums, one with the old
"Don Rosa`s Comics and Stories" albums and even one with a comic
from Thailand with American subtitles. After more than two hours
waiting it was finally my turn. He drew a young Scrooge holding
up his first gold nugget- very good looking- and signed my Lo$-
albums. Other intersting drawings he did during the evening were
two Glittering Goldies, three Magicas de Spell, some Donalds sick
of love for Daisy, one Gladstone and of course a lot of Scrooges.
Unfortunately we had not much time to talk, but he gave me some
answers to the recent discussings on the list.
--- Huey, Dewey and Louie`s father does not appear in the Lo$.
--- The reason for Scrooge`s dead in 1967 is simple: It`s nothing
else than the date when Carl Barks retired from drawing comics.
He`ll be back around the next weekend, I`m sure that he`ll tell us
more about his expressions.
...and what about you guys??? He said that I was the only one of the
list he met during the hole first week.
Have a nice day,
Danny Coenen
f.coenen at kfa-juelich.de
interest to give you a brief overview of what he did during
his stay.
When I arrived at the comic shop there were already dozens of
people aged 13 to 50 standing outside waiting for Don. After he
arrived at six o`clock he took place at a prepared table
surrounded by Barks oil-paintings and received a well-made cake
formed like a dime with Scrooges (3-D) head on it. Then everybody
who has subscribed on to a special list was called to him (Well,
not all at once). As there were about 70 fans he could only do
a drawing of a Duck`s head after your wishes and sign up to five
comics. Although he said that they were of less quality as he had
to hurry so that everybody got his picture, they looked very good.
There were people with self-made Don Rosa albums, one with the old
"Don Rosa`s Comics and Stories" albums and even one with a comic
from Thailand with American subtitles. After more than two hours
waiting it was finally my turn. He drew a young Scrooge holding
up his first gold nugget- very good looking- and signed my Lo$-
albums. Other intersting drawings he did during the evening were
two Glittering Goldies, three Magicas de Spell, some Donalds sick
of love for Daisy, one Gladstone and of course a lot of Scrooges.
Unfortunately we had not much time to talk, but he gave me some
answers to the recent discussings on the list.
--- Huey, Dewey and Louie`s father does not appear in the Lo$.
--- The reason for Scrooge`s dead in 1967 is simple: It`s nothing
else than the date when Carl Barks retired from drawing comics.
He`ll be back around the next weekend, I`m sure that he`ll tell us
more about his expressions.
...and what about you guys??? He said that I was the only one of the
list he met during the hole first week.
Have a nice day,
Danny Coenen
f.coenen at kfa-juelich.de
H.W. Fluks
Daniel and Gianfranco in digest #682.
Message 113 -
1995-06-12 at 14:04:23
I know the term "digest 682" does not make sense to most of you, but
it is for me the easiest way to respond to a lot of messages (and there
sure have been a lot, last week!).
DANIEL:
> At the end of the seventies we had a couple of very
> good Big Bad Wolf stories here in Holland. Very good drawings and
> very good plots. Unfortunately, I don't know the names of the
> artists. But I'm sure Harry does.
Someday, some of these stories may be published in the USA, as well.
I showed those stories to David Gerstein when he visited me last January.
I know David is working on an
English script for one of them, the "egg"
story.
Most drawings are by Dick Matena, some by Wilbert Plijnaar. Scripts
by Jippes, Matena, Plijnaar, and others.
GIANFRANCO:
> From the *complete* Carl Barks Guide by Franco Fossati.
Hah! Our Disney comics Database is *completer* than that! It is even
"completer" than Michael Barrier's book "Carl Barks and the art of
Walt Disney's Donald Duck", published by M. Lilien in 1981. Parts of
Barrier's bibliography were published before in the fanzine "Funnyworld".
ABOUT "VOODOO HOODOO":
the easiest way to see if a reprint is censored is to look at Bombie's
nose. If it doesn't have a ring in it, you have the censored version.
--Harry.
it is for me the easiest way to respond to a lot of messages (and there
sure have been a lot, last week!).
DANIEL:
> At the end of the seventies we had a couple of very
> good Big Bad Wolf stories here in Holland. Very good drawings and
> very good plots. Unfortunately, I don't know the names of the
> artists. But I'm sure Harry does.
Someday, some of these stories may be published in the USA, as well.
I showed those stories to David Gerstein when he visited me last January.
I know David is working on an
English script for one of them, the "egg"
story.
Most drawings are by Dick Matena, some by Wilbert Plijnaar. Scripts
by Jippes, Matena, Plijnaar, and others.
GIANFRANCO:
> From the *complete* Carl Barks Guide by Franco Fossati.
Hah! Our Disney comics Database is *completer* than that! It is even
"completer" than Michael Barrier's book "Carl Barks and the art of
Walt Disney's Donald Duck", published by M. Lilien in 1981. Parts of
Barrier's bibliography were published before in the fanzine "Funnyworld".
ABOUT "VOODOO HOODOO":
the easiest way to see if a reprint is censored is to look at Bombie's
nose. If it doesn't have a ring in it, you have the censored version.
--Harry.
H.W. Fluks
Erik and Mike in digest #688.
Message 114 -
1995-06-12 at 14:27:45
ERIK:
> Does any of you know stories
> where the ducks find themselves in the middle of the Earth, except
> for Barks and Rosas work?
There was a Dutch story, drawn by Ben Verhagen, in which Donald is in
a capsule going straight through the earth. Story code: H 8222 (or
H 82022 in our Database). USA reprint: Donald Duck 253 ("Journey Through
the Center of the Earth"). Nordic reprints: unknown.
MIKE:
> Btw, the death of Mama McDuck
> was great as was the time Scrooge first died (there could've been a hint
> here now when I think about it).
??? "the time Scrooge first died" ??? I don't understand this sentence.
Please explain.
--Harry.
> Does any of you know stories
> where the ducks find themselves in the middle of the Earth, except
> for Barks and Rosas work?
There was a Dutch story, drawn by Ben Verhagen, in which Donald is in
a capsule going straight through the earth. Story code: H 8222 (or
H 82022 in our Database). USA reprint: Donald Duck 253 ("Journey Through
the Center of the Earth"). Nordic reprints: unknown.
MIKE:
> Btw, the death of Mama McDuck
> was great as was the time Scrooge first died (there could've been a hint
> here now when I think about it).
??? "the time Scrooge first died" ??? I don't understand this sentence.
Please explain.
--Harry.
H.W. Fluks
Disney comics Database -- how to get?
Message 115 -
1995-06-12 at 16:50:35
I said:
> Hah! Our Disney comics Database is *completer* than that!
and several people asked how to get a copy of it. Well: it is available
through anonymous ftp: ftp.lysator.liu.se . There is a subdirectory
pub/comics/disney containing all kinds of interesting files. The Database
is on the sub-subdir pub/comics/disney/index. Here is a short (and
incomplete) list of what can be found there:
Files in directory pub/comics/disney/index
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
creators.legend, heroes.legend
A file with all creators, resp. heroes and their abbreviations.
indexed-issues.legend
A list of the indexed issues you can find in the files in the subdirectories
mentioned below.
Subdirectories of pub/comics/disney/index
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
western
Files with information about the USA comics, published by
Western, under the Dell, Gold Key, and Whitman label.
gladstone-disney
Files with information about the USA comics published by
Gladstone and Disney Comics (1986 - present).
netherlands
sweden
Files with information about comics from the respective country.
creators
Files with information grouped by creator: Carl Barks, Don Rosa,
and others. Covers and stories are in separate files. For instance:
Barks.story-index, Barks.cover-index.
stories
Files with information grouped by "story code". For instance, all
stories produced by Egmont in Denmark are in the two files
"d-0-10166.stories" and "d-88-.stories".
The file "cb-misc.stories" contains all kinds of unpublished and
other material by Carl Barks, that didn't fit anywhere else.
This way the database contains a complete Carl Barks index.
zip
All files, in zipped format. Handy in case you want to download
all files at once.
----
Per was working on a WWW program to access the Database. I don't know the
status of that, so for the moment you'll have to do with the big ASCII files
with lines much wider than 80 characters...
--Harry.
> Hah! Our Disney comics Database is *completer* than that!
and several people asked how to get a copy of it. Well: it is available
through anonymous ftp: ftp.lysator.liu.se . There is a subdirectory
pub/comics/disney containing all kinds of interesting files. The Database
is on the sub-subdir pub/comics/disney/index. Here is a short (and
incomplete) list of what can be found there:
Files in directory pub/comics/disney/index
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
creators.legend, heroes.legend
A file with all creators, resp. heroes and their abbreviations.
indexed-issues.legend
A list of the indexed issues you can find in the files in the subdirectories
mentioned below.
Subdirectories of pub/comics/disney/index
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
western
Files with information about the USA comics, published by
Western, under the Dell, Gold Key, and Whitman label.
gladstone-disney
Files with information about the USA comics published by
Gladstone and Disney Comics (1986 - present).
netherlands
sweden
Files with information about comics from the respective country.
creators
Files with information grouped by creator: Carl Barks, Don Rosa,
and others. Covers and stories are in separate files. For instance:
Barks.story-index, Barks.cover-index.
stories
Files with information grouped by "story code". For instance, all
stories produced by Egmont in Denmark are in the two files
"d-0-10166.stories" and "d-88-.stories".
The file "cb-misc.stories" contains all kinds of unpublished and
other material by Carl Barks, that didn't fit anywhere else.
This way the database contains a complete Carl Barks index.
zip
All files, in zipped format. Handy in case you want to download
all files at once.
----
Per was working on a WWW program to access the Database. I don't know the
status of that, so for the moment you'll have to do with the big ASCII files
with lines much wider than 80 characters...
--Harry.
BJ.RN PETTERSSON
WANTED!
Message 116 -
1995-06-12 at 18:45:42
--- Received from VD.POL1 031-669152 95-06-12 17:45
-> IN=disney-comics(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE
Hello!!!
JAKOB:
> I'm very glad you think my theory MAY have some true within it!
You're welcome!
ALL: --- WANTED --- * ADAM AWIEHERD * --- WANTED ---
Does someone know where
ADAM AWIEHERD is?! I haven't heard from him since about two-three
weeks ago...
-> IN=disney-comics(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE
Hello!!!
JAKOB:
> I'm very glad you think my theory MAY have some true within it!
You're welcome!
ALL: --- WANTED --- * ADAM AWIEHERD * --- WANTED ---
Does someone know where
ADAM AWIEHERD is?! I haven't heard from him since about two-three
weeks ago...
Adam Wieherdt
WANTED!
Message 117 -
1995-06-12 at 22:29:28
Hey I'm right here. I have not been around for a while. So what is new
in the disney-comic world?
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks vs. Rosa?
Message 118 -
1995-06-13 at 00:00:38
JONATHAN:
> In an interview in the Comics Buyers Guide (don't have the issue #,
> sorry) Barks went on for some length about his dislike of Rosa in general
> and Rosa's series "Life of Uncle Scrooge" in particular. No real details
> as to why though.
Is it possible for you to "publish" that part of the interview? It
sounds strange to me, because I thought that Barks helped Don
somewhat with Lo$.
Maybe I'm asking a stupid question, but I don't know exactly what you
mean with "no details as to why though"...
--- Daniel
> In an interview in the Comics Buyers Guide (don't have the issue #,
> sorry) Barks went on for some length about his dislike of Rosa in general
> and Rosa's series "Life of Uncle Scrooge" in particular. No real details
> as to why though.
Is it possible for you to "publish" that part of the interview? It
sounds strange to me, because I thought that Barks helped Don
somewhat with Lo$.
Maybe I'm asking a stupid question, but I don't know exactly what you
mean with "no details as to why though"...
--- Daniel
H.W. Fluks
Disney comics in Holland / Germany
Message 119 -
1995-06-13 at 10:26:42
Here are some remarks about various Dutch and German comics I've
bought recently.
DONALD DUCK (Dutch weekly) 1995-23
contains Don Rosa's Duck Family tree, entirely re-inked by
Michel Nadorp. Some portraits are missing, and will be given
as stickers (like in the German edition) in DD 25, 27 and 29.
There are some changes w.r.t. the German version I also have:
- April, May and June are also in the tree, and Daisy is shown right
in stead of left. (Don already told us there were two versions of
his tree: with and without AMJ.)
- Some details are missing, like the beatle hair around Fethry's
portrait.
- The portrait of HDL's father is covered by a bird. In the German
(original) version, the bird is in the tree, covering the portrait.
In the Dutch (redrawn) version, the bird is part of the portrait!
- Some portraits are changed so they do NOT show the faces of the
people portrayed: Donald's father is reading a newspaper, his mother
is baking a pie, and Grandma's husband is working on the land.
A nice detail is that they gave Donald's father the name
Woerd "Snater" Duck; Woerd Snater is the pre-war Dutch name of
Donald Duck.
The future DD issues will also explain the backgrounds of some of
the members of the Duck family. Can't wait to see how they screw up
things there...
Issue 23 also contains:
- a reprint of Barks' backup story of Uncle Scrooge 33. One of Barks'
worst stories, IMHO.
- a funny Mickey Mouse story featuring Clarabelle and Horace. Funny,
but untranslateable.
- Gyro, D 5738, by Branca? Quite OK.
- Scrooge, D 4863. To quote Jo/rgen: "ZZZZZ"
DONALD DUCK (Dutch weekly) 1995-24
- a surprising story by Vicar, D 93172. Donald learns pigeons how to
pick coins. Maybe written by one of our list members?
- some Dutch and Danish fillers
- a new Heymans story, H 94156. Donald's delivery service. New gags on
an old theme.
DONALD DUCK GROOT VAKANTIEBOEK (Dutch season special)
A 160-page album with comics, stories, puzzles and games.
The stories worth mentioning:
- The *opening* story is D 92193, "Tour de Jour". This one *is* written
by one of our list members...
- A strange Mickey Mouse story from France, FJM 94224.C (15 pages).
Mickey and Goofy travel through time back to the 30s and meet
the "old" Minnie, Peg-leg Pete, Eli Squinch, Chief O'Hara, and
professors Ecks and Doublex! The story seems to celebrate some
jubileum, but this is lost in the translation.
- Scrooge in Venice, D 90212. Jose Colomer Fonts.
- Donald Duck, "The duck who never was" (D 93574), by Don Rosa.
The translation is quite literal. There is no explanation at all
why Donald is congratulated with his 60th birthday, 61 years after
he was created.
The little signs saying "Ancient worship" and "Rocks" were left
blank in this version.
EIN FALL FUER MICKY Nr. 19 (German comic, "Mickey Mystery")
I bought this comic when I was in Germany last week, just to see
what it was like. (And because I couldn't find a TEMPO magazine
with Rosa's art in it!)
These comics (digest-sized, with stories on 3 rows) were discussed
on the mailing list before.
Number 19 contains two stories, D 94011 ("The ring of the jewel thieves")
and D 93557 ("Scandal at the film festival"). What a disappointment!
Even the Dutch mystery stories, with Basil from Baker Street, are
much better!
DIE BESTEN COMICS AUS LISTIGE TASCHENBUECHER Band 2 (German pocket book)
This German comic contains Italian reprints. Two of them are drawn
by Scarpa, and apparently inked by two different people. "Der Liebe
zarte Bande" (don't know how to translate this), with Brigitta MacBridge
and a guy named Kuno Knauel. And "Donald's special capabilities", Donald
becomes a school teacher. Neither of the stories have a code. Does
anyone recognise those stories?
DONALD DUCK SONDERHEFT 121 (German comic)
Contains one of the rare stories Freddy Milton did for Gutenberghus,
before he went to work with Jippes for Oberon! "Ella the mascotte",
D 3877, 8 pages. Drawings not bad, story much worse.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
bought recently.
DONALD DUCK (Dutch weekly) 1995-23
contains Don Rosa's Duck Family tree, entirely re-inked by
Michel Nadorp. Some portraits are missing, and will be given
as stickers (like in the German edition) in DD 25, 27 and 29.
There are some changes w.r.t. the German version I also have:
- April, May and June are also in the tree, and Daisy is shown right
in stead of left. (Don already told us there were two versions of
his tree: with and without AMJ.)
- Some details are missing, like the beatle hair around Fethry's
portrait.
- The portrait of HDL's father is covered by a bird. In the German
(original) version, the bird is in the tree, covering the portrait.
In the Dutch (redrawn) version, the bird is part of the portrait!
- Some portraits are changed so they do NOT show the faces of the
people portrayed: Donald's father is reading a newspaper, his mother
is baking a pie, and Grandma's husband is working on the land.
A nice detail is that they gave Donald's father the name
Woerd "Snater" Duck; Woerd Snater is the pre-war Dutch name of
Donald Duck.
The future DD issues will also explain the backgrounds of some of
the members of the Duck family. Can't wait to see how they screw up
things there...
Issue 23 also contains:
- a reprint of Barks' backup story of Uncle Scrooge 33. One of Barks'
worst stories, IMHO.
- a funny Mickey Mouse story featuring Clarabelle and Horace. Funny,
but untranslateable.
- Gyro, D 5738, by Branca? Quite OK.
- Scrooge, D 4863. To quote Jo/rgen: "ZZZZZ"
DONALD DUCK (Dutch weekly) 1995-24
- a surprising story by Vicar, D 93172. Donald learns pigeons how to
pick coins. Maybe written by one of our list members?
- some Dutch and Danish fillers
- a new Heymans story, H 94156. Donald's delivery service. New gags on
an old theme.
DONALD DUCK GROOT VAKANTIEBOEK (Dutch season special)
A 160-page album with comics, stories, puzzles and games.
The stories worth mentioning:
- The *opening* story is D 92193, "Tour de Jour". This one *is* written
by one of our list members...
- A strange Mickey Mouse story from France, FJM 94224.C (15 pages).
Mickey and Goofy travel through time back to the 30s and meet
the "old" Minnie, Peg-leg Pete, Eli Squinch, Chief O'Hara, and
professors Ecks and Doublex! The story seems to celebrate some
jubileum, but this is lost in the translation.
- Scrooge in Venice, D 90212. Jose Colomer Fonts.
- Donald Duck, "The duck who never was" (D 93574), by Don Rosa.
The translation is quite literal. There is no explanation at all
why Donald is congratulated with his 60th birthday, 61 years after
he was created.
The little signs saying "Ancient worship" and "Rocks" were left
blank in this version.
EIN FALL FUER MICKY Nr. 19 (German comic, "Mickey Mystery")
I bought this comic when I was in Germany last week, just to see
what it was like. (And because I couldn't find a TEMPO magazine
with Rosa's art in it!)
These comics (digest-sized, with stories on 3 rows) were discussed
on the mailing list before.
Number 19 contains two stories, D 94011 ("The ring of the jewel thieves")
and D 93557 ("Scandal at the film festival"). What a disappointment!
Even the Dutch mystery stories, with Basil from Baker Street, are
much better!
DIE BESTEN COMICS AUS LISTIGE TASCHENBUECHER Band 2 (German pocket book)
This German comic contains Italian reprints. Two of them are drawn
by Scarpa, and apparently inked by two different people. "Der Liebe
zarte Bande" (don't know how to translate this), with Brigitta MacBridge
and a guy named Kuno Knauel. And "Donald's special capabilities", Donald
becomes a school teacher. Neither of the stories have a code. Does
anyone recognise those stories?
DONALD DUCK SONDERHEFT 121 (German comic)
Contains one of the rare stories Freddy Milton did for Gutenberghus,
before he went to work with Jippes for Oberon! "Ella the mascotte",
D 3877, 8 pages. Drawings not bad, story much worse.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Disney comics in Holland
Message 120 -
1995-06-13 at 11:18:34
HARRY:
> DONALD DUCK (Dutch weekly) 1995-23 also contains:
> - a reprint of Barks' backup story of Uncle Scrooge 33. One of Barks'
> worst stories, IMHO.
Harry, did you notice that they published the censored CBL-version
here? Fortunately we already have the original version in an Scrooge
album, published about 10 years ago...
BTW. This story is not too bad, IMHO...
You didn't mention the page of an old Barks-story that is used to
introduce the family-tree. (Don't know which one now.) They fit in the
new dialogue very well to make it an introduction for the tree...
(Being one of the few things they still do very right now.)
> DONALD DUCK GROOT VAKANTIEBOEK (Dutch season special)
> - The *opening* story is D 92193, "Tour de Jour". This one *is* written
> by one of our list members...
Who? David?
--- Daniel
> DONALD DUCK (Dutch weekly) 1995-23 also contains:
> - a reprint of Barks' backup story of Uncle Scrooge 33. One of Barks'
> worst stories, IMHO.
Harry, did you notice that they published the censored CBL-version
here? Fortunately we already have the original version in an Scrooge
album, published about 10 years ago...
BTW. This story is not too bad, IMHO...
You didn't mention the page of an old Barks-story that is used to
introduce the family-tree. (Don't know which one now.) They fit in the
new dialogue very well to make it an introduction for the tree...
(Being one of the few things they still do very right now.)
> DONALD DUCK GROOT VAKANTIEBOEK (Dutch season special)
> - The *opening* story is D 92193, "Tour de Jour". This one *is* written
> by one of our list members...
Who? David?
--- Daniel