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>JACOB:
>| I don't know what the story is called in english, but in
>| Sweden it is called "Den stora Strandletardagen". Does anyone
>| know what it is called in english
>
>Could be this one:
>
> W/WDC 224 10 BH2 DD Den store strandfesten
> WDC 224 10 WDCiC37 DD The Beachcombers' Picnic
>
>but this isn't the only beach party story.

Well, the only story published on WDC 224 (may, 1959) was a 10 pages (Barks
finished it on march, 19th 1958: who makes the strangest gift will be with
Daisy at the party; HDL win!), republished on DA&DD, april 1974, and it was
the remake of an old Barks story (another 10 pages, published on WDC 117,
june 1950, republished on WDC 299, 1965: who finds the daisy will be with
Daisy at the party; HDL win!).
From the *complete* Carl Barks Guide by Franco Fossati.
Anonima Fumetti - Italian cartoonists society, Italy.

Hallo, my friends.

I'm back, as Gianfranco and Jorgen were wondering. Even if not for so much.
I'll leave for France in a few days, and then I'll spend two almost months
in USA. But, as long as I'm here, let me provide you with some useless
details about Disney's stuff :-).

Let's us start with Gianfranco: answering to Jorgen, he wrote:

>>Ah, yes. The 177 pages story. I tried to find out who did it. The closest
>>I could get was Giulio Chierchini, but I'm not sure. Information is very
>>welcome :-)
>I have in front of me Topolino n 1993: there is the first part of the
>fantasy story "Ser Topolino e la Cavalcata dei Cavalieri Inesistenti" with
>ducks and mice together.
>The text is by Caterina Mognato and the art is by Giuseppe Dalla Santa. The
>story was published in 5 parts, from Topolino (the Italian weekly magazine)
>n 1993 to Topolino n 1996.

Let me just add that it is a sequel to ''Re Paperon e il tesoro delle tre
chiavi'', same authors, appeared in Topolino n.1174 (2 episodes) and n.1175
(1 episode).

Again, about Rota. Actually, he did not choose Egmont just for money. When
Disney Italy was founded, he did not leave Mondadori for, I was told,
disagreement with Capelli, former editor of Topolino. And only after some
time he decided to work for Egmont. (A long article plus interview on him
should appear on issue n.4 of IF... in Italian, sorry!).

About books ON comics. Well, there is a long tradition, at least in France
and Italy. In France there is the huge history of Comics by Maurice Horn,
and at least the essays by Fresnault (all this stuff has been reprinted
also in Italy). In Italy, tradition dates at least to 1965, with
``Sortilegio a fumetti'' by Giammanco, more or less in the same period of
`The great comic books heroes' by Jules Feiffer and predating ``All in
Color for a dime'' by at least 4 years. Differently from the USA, the
Italian essays dealt immediately with comic books, and not only comics
strips,as in `The comics' by Waughan or `Sociology of American Comics' by
Abel abd White. On more recent times, all the books by Gino Frezza
(`L'immagine innocente', `Serialita' nel fumetto',`Il mito fra film e
fumetto') are quite worthy a look, expecially, for Disney fans,
`Serialita'...'. First of all, I must say that I hope I remembered all the
details of the quoted books in the right way, since I'm writing on the
spot: do not be too harsh with me. After that, I must add that this
digression is only to say that all this stuff is still available, usually
quite cheaply: if some of you want to learn Italian and is interested in
this topics, just tell me.
(BTW: I know it is almost impossible to believe, ROC, but I actually mailed
your stuff a week ago. I addressed it to your brother: I lost your address,
and I was able to get only your brother's on the net)

Finally, about the Barks'Index by Franco Fossati (just mentioned by
Gianfranco: gosh, it is nice to have back an Italian writing so
frequenlty... :-). Well, I'm not exactly one of Fossati's fans... :-). But
in this particular case I have all the reasons,since his index is a plain
swipe from the Barrier's book, with some information on the Italian
reprints added. Gee...

Then, Janet wrote, answering to Gianfranco

>Glad to find another Cavazzano fan on the list! Do you know much about
>him? Could you please share what you know? Thanks!

Well, there was an interesting thread some time ago. People was divided in
two factions, pro and against Cavazzano. Try to look at it: it was quite
funny. Obviously, I was the biggest fan of Cavazzano... :-).
(And I must add that I made at least a new fan. Harry, to be precise. BTW,
harry, `War of the Wendigo is simply too nice'. A pity it won't be
published!)
For all those interested in his work, there is a book on him, published by
`Libreria dell'Immagine'. It contains a not-so-interesting essay, and a
quite large chronology of his work. There is also an issue of Fumo di China
devoted to the Italian Disney (but that magazine is not so easy to find,
unless you live in Milan :-).

And about your story, Janet. As Gianfranco said, the art is very good, but
the coloring is so poor. Cavazzano got really angry (as far as I'm told)
with the colorist.

About parodies. A lot of those are appeared in Italy. Mostr of them quite
funny and (strange by true) the author was sometimes a guy called Luca
Boschi...
Instead, about death and forbidden attitudes in Disney comics. Well, things
are quite changed in Italy when Disney Italy got in charge. Topics like
drinking beer and smoking were obviously allowed, and even death was
sometimes mentioned in these comics (I remeber a story where some captives
were looking after a treasure. Their boss left them aa map after is death
-explicitly written!!).
Moreover, Fredrick added:
>I distinctly remember reading an Italian story (probably published in
>Sweden during the eighties) where Scrooge is close to taking his own life
>(by jumping into a river with a stone tied to his neck) on account of
>thinking that he had lost all his money. If anyone is REALLY interested,
>I could try to find it during summer.
Well, there are MORE stories than just one. It is a quite stereotyped
situation, at least in Italy. It is not used anymore in the Nineties,
obviously, but it is still common in reprints.
And about Paperinik. Despite what the sometimes not-so-faithful bio's can
say, Elisa Penna has absoluteluy nothing to do with Paperinik. (It is
better to stop here, and not to go into details...).

Instead, about Chiaroscuro. It is quite unlikely that Anonima Fumetti will
be able to take rights of C., since it appeared under the imptinting of
Vertigo for DC Comics, and there are already plenty of Italian publisher
repriting DC stuff. Anyweay, you never knows... Some page, btw, appeared in
the Previews of two months ago.

Phew, quite a long answer. But I promise to be back before leaving for the USA.

Fabio

PS David, I just read the American script of Colossus. Good, even if I have
a couple of minor points I' like to talk with you. Not for changing them,
obviously: just for the fun of it (you know how I feel about Scarpa's
stories... :-)

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DAVID:

}>Beagle Boys successfully rob the entire money bin, $crooge dies, ...
}Wak! I hope those two incidents aren't connected ... Did you really
}have the Beagle Boys kill Scrooge to get his money?

The incidents are connected, but $crooge is not killed. The
Beagle Boys (hundreds of them) implode the hill under the money bin and
use a huge helicopter with an antigravity device to take away the whole
building. As the money bin hangs from the desert-island-borne
helicopter, $crooge runs to the roof with his old gun and tries to
defend his money; the bin hits a Duckburg skyscraper, $crooge rolls off
the roof and drops 200 meters. Well, the Beagle Boys had no intention
to kill $crooge... but their consciences didn't pain either. :-)

}>Daisy ... has an accident/aborts future egg
}That shouldn't be hard to do. Scrambled, or sunny side up? ;-)

According to wacky Duckburg laws, Donald can't marry Daisy while
he's raising HDL. $crooge dies, and although his will is not found,
Donald is believed to inheirit he whole fortune (no LO$ speculation on
this matter; I've rewritten Duckburg's history to suit this series).
Then Daisy makes out a "natural" tragedy over Junior Woodchuck camp to
kill HDL and become the world's richest wife. However, Daisy is chased
by a grizzly bear, gets injured, and is saved by JW themselves. Surgeon
in Duckburg hospital finds out the abortion.

Now for something about Mickey's destiny... Who's next? :-)

_____m__(0/\0)__m_____ P.C.Barreto
mad at digi.ax.apc.org
----1111 * No Condo, No MBA, No BMW, No Clever Tagline

Welcome back, FABIO! :-)

>Again, about Rota. Actually, he did not choose Egmont just for money. When
>Disney Italy was founded, he did not leave Mondadori for, I was told,
>disagreement with Capelli, former editor of Topolino. And only after some
>time he decided to work for Egmont.
Right. We talked with him a few days ago. He's working well with Egmont.
And, indeed, the "political" situation in Italian Disney in those years
was... a little troubled.

>About books ON comics.
Ok. I'll just add some other title.
May be I alread talked about:
-> "Undestandign Comics - the invisible art" by Scott Mc Cloud,
Harper/Collins publisher, USA - wonderful!
-> "La bande dessinee" by Benoit Peeters, Falmmarion publisher, France -
really interesting!
-> "Comics and Sequential Art" by Will Eisner, Poorhouse press, USA - a must!
Now I add:
-> "Case, Planche, Recit" by Benoit Peeters, Casterman publisher, France;
-> "L'Art de la BD" by Duc, Glenat publisher, France;
-> "Fumetti" by Sergio Brancato, Datanews publisher, Italy;
and don't forget:
-> "I Disney italiani" by Luca Boschi, Leonardo Gori and Andrea Sani,
Granata publishing, Italy!

>Finally, about the Barks'Index by Franco Fossati >swipe from the Barrier's
>book
(Carl Barks Guide, by Franco Fossati, published by Libreria
dell'Immagine/Comic Art 1992, Italy; a first version was partially published
by IF/Epierre/GianniBono as "Carl Barks, cronologia disneyana ragionata" in
1984)
uh? swipe?... Sorry, I don't know the Barrier's book: when was it published?
Where can I find it?

>Giorgio Cavazzano...>For all those interested in his work, there is a book
on >him, published by `Libreria dell'Immagine'.
Yes. The book is:
"Pennelli in aria" by Gianni Brunoro, published by Libreria dell'Immagine",
Italy, 1994. It contains an essay, an interview with Cavazzano, a
chronology, awards and bibliography. 48 pages.
Another book on Giorgio Cavazzano is:
"Giorgio Cavazzano" by Silvano Mezzavilla, published by Editori del grifo,
Italy, 1994. It contains an interview with Cavazzano, words about him by
pro-friends, photos and chronology. 126 pages.

>And about your story, Janet. As Gianfranco said, the art is very good, but
>the coloring is so poor. Cavazzano got really angry (as far as I'm told)
>with the colorist.
Yeah!!!

>And about Paperinik. Despite what the sometimes not-so-faithful bio's can
>say, Elisa Penna has absolutely nothing to do with Paperinik. (It is
>better to stop here, and not to go into details...).
... :-( ...
On the wonderful book "I Disney italiani" by Luca Boschi, Leonardo Gori and
Andrea Sani, we read, at page 235, in an appendix by Alberto Beccattini:
"...Paperinik. ...by Guido Martina and Giovan Battista Carpi from an idea by
Elisa Penna".
Indeed, some one said she was just the one collecting the readers letters in
that period... But, as I said, the creators were: Guido Martina and G.B. Carpi.
Guido Martina is dead (we ALL have to die, thanks to God); G.B. Carpi could
say a few words about the creation of Paperinik. May be you, Fabio, can ask
Luca Boschi to talk with Carpi and make the people know the truth? Thank you!

Bye Bye!

Hi all!

Last friday I got my new DD Weekly (23) and here's what I found in
"Uncle Donald's Mailbox", it's about "Bottle Battlers" from Barks
(JW 10).

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Hallo Donald.

In Donald Duck no. 11 the big F.L.O.E.P.E.R. orders the Junior
Woodchucks to clean up the mess in the scenery. That is a very good
idea. But what I don't understand is that he has a broken twig in his
hands, while there are new leaves on it! That is, I think, *not* a
good idea!

Greeting from a Duckfan's mother, Molenhoek.
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BTW. This wasn't meant as a *complaint*, only as a funny letter.

In Holland we don't have a mailbox as Gladstone's. Only children
telling about their pets or adventures. But it's sure funny to see
*what* they write:

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Hi Donald!

I have a very special collection. I collect trolls. Those are cute
animals with long coloured, upright standing hair. I already have 63
of them! [...] My 63 trolls are named: Doc, Pritty, Rick, Sun-Down,
Glue, Chris, All-Star..................Jorgen, Bryan and Dan. Do you
also have a collection?

Dorian Bergsma, Zwolle.

[Answer:] I think I have a funny collection of 63 names, Dorien! I
hope you don't mind that I didn't print them *all*!
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I know, it's nothing important. But I thought it might be amusing for
you to see.

Have a nice day!

--- Daniel

I sent this message yesterday, but something seems to be wrong
with my E-Mail system; Jakob didn't get a few of my private letters
and this didn't turn up in the Digest for today. So here this is for
what I hope will be the first time.

I went by two comic-shops today. One, which doesn't get
Gladstones due to some legal hassle from Fleetway (publishers of the
infamous MICKEY AND FRIENDS), had gotten their comics in; the other,
where I was expecting to find WDC&S 598, hadn't.
But the one without Gladstones did have a "Previews" catalogue
which mentioned some upcoming Gladstone comics:

DD 294 has "The Dye is Cast" (the 1957 Barks 10-pager in which
Gyro's off-red and water-colored dyes wreak havoc on the water
resources of Duckburg) and the usual AT strips. The cover was shown
and is a reprint of AT's cover to WDC&S 17 (1942), although that
wasn't noted in the advertisement.
DD+MM 2 has "Special Delivery" (the 1956 Barks 10-pager about
HDL being blocked by a lion from delivering packages) and part two of
"Mickey Aladdin". A page, which actually looks like the first page
of Part 1, was shown. This looks to be from the same crew that
brings us the GO-history series (as I expected). Mickey is Aladdin,
Goofy is the Genie, and Pete is the Sultan (JUST as I predicted).
USA 35 contains Ben Verhagen's "The Treasures of Temple Khaos".
Here's disney-comics mailing list at work: Harry's Database revealed
the story, I sent it in a list to Gladstone, and Dwight translated
and dialogued it. Gladstone couldn't have done it without us, so
it's got to be good. ;-)
COL 2 (solicited as "Walt Disney Giant #2", suggesting that
this may in fact be what the series has been retitled to) is titled
"Uncle Scrooge in Arabia." Beautiful cover lettering and, for once,
a cover made of rearranged Barks art that really looks nice. John
Clark told me that Bruce Hamilton edited this issue. The first half
of this 48-page issue contains Barks' "The Mines of King Solomon."
The second half... welllll....
The second half...
What else do you think would comprise the second half of a
comic book titled "Uncle Scrooge in Arabia"?
That's right, a full reprint of the 1949 Disney/Whitman Little
Golden Book "The Cold-Blooded Penguin." An illustrated text story
with that penguin from Walt Kelly's "Three Caballeros" story (and the
film itself). Around 20 pages of penguins, in fact.
Dwight, you're our only contact with Gladstone right now. I
can't call them because it costs $4 per minute from here. Maybe you
want to call them (I can't do so, for various reasons) and see if
something (like moving the material that was to have comprised the
second half of this year's now-cancelled 64-page US issue) can be
done? I'm sorry to say it, especially because I personally like old
Disney story-books, but I think that reprinting a Little Golden Book
without a single Duck in it in the back of this comic may be
commercial suicide (no matter what the quality of the penguin tale
itself may be).
COLLECTORY is apparently what's going to determine Gladstone's
position from now on on "whether or not oversized issues sell". This
is a critical situation.

David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>

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DWIGHT:
Both John Clark and the editors at Disney Comics Inc. before
him have told me that the majority of letters they get are exactly
the kind that Disney comics in Europe get and print: from children,
telling Donald and Mickey about themselves or talking about
characters or stories as if they really happened. David Seidman in
particular said that he got at least sixty letters every month, and
most of them were from very youthful fans. "But I can't PRINT many
of those," he said, "because the letter column wouldn't be very
interesting." Actually, toward the beginning of the Disney Comics
period a good many such letters got printed (particularly in UNCLE
SCROOGE) and Mr. Seidman started a trend (which became an ongoing
feature under later editor David Cody Weiss) that "Goofy himself"
would answer the letters in GOOFY ADVENTURES. Later on, this even
extended to the critical ones written by adults (which led to some
very funny results!)
I think that having Goofy answer the letters encouraged
children's letters in particular. But take all this with a grain of
salt -- after all, I'm the guy who once wrote a lengthy critical
letter to GOOFY ADVS entirely in Goofy's own dialect. (Which they
printed, by the way.) Hey! I was still a kid, okay? ;-)
Say, what got you started in working on Disney comics, Dwight?
I don't think you've ever mentioned the reason.