P. S. There HAVE been a few incidents when Gladstone
(Publishing) has had Scrooge reply to a young child's letter. Lines
like "Put your money in the bank -- I own most of them" and "Age:
(mumble, mumble)" come to mind.
Author
Topic: 199506
(219 messages)
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #684.
Message 46 -
1995-06-05 at 12:07:32
Martin Lampen
Analysis of Donald Duck comics
Message 47 -
1995-06-05 at 13:09:28
Apart from being a Disney comics fan I am also in my third year of a
media degree here at the University of Plymouth (UK). While reading
one of my text books over the weekend (Key Concepts in
Commuinication) I came across an interesting book listed in the
'Relevant Texts' section:
'How to Read Donald Duck by A. Dorfman and A. Mattelart, New York,
International General.'
It says that the book is an analysis of Donald Duck comics with
reference to social and political subtext.
Has anyone read this book? Is it still in print?
Martin
media degree here at the University of Plymouth (UK). While reading
one of my text books over the weekend (Key Concepts in
Commuinication) I came across an interesting book listed in the
'Relevant Texts' section:
'How to Read Donald Duck by A. Dorfman and A. Mattelart, New York,
International General.'
It says that the book is an analysis of Donald Duck comics with
reference to social and political subtext.
Has anyone read this book? Is it still in print?
Martin
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
This month's "Previews"
Message 48 -
1995-06-05 at 14:09:04
This is the third time I've tried to send this message; my
E-Mail account has had problems and, I believe, consumed the letter
the last few times I sent it. Per, if you see it come your way
again, try to stop it before it hits the Digest a second time!
Subject: This month's "Previews"
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:34:43
I went by two comic-shops today. One, which doesn't get
Gladstones due to some legal hassle from Fleetway (publishers of the
infamous MICKEY AND FRIENDS), had gotten their comics in; the other,
where I was expecting to find WDC&S 598, hadn't.
But the one without Gladstones did have a "Previews" catalogue
which mentioned some upcoming Gladstone comics:
DD 294 has "The Dye is Cast" (the 1957 Barks 10-pager in which
Gyro's off-red and water-colored dyes wreak havoc on the water
resources of Duckburg) and the usual AT strips. The cover was shown
and is a reprint of AT's cover to WDC&S 17 (1942), although that
wasn't noted in the advertisement.
DD+MM 2 has "Special Delivery" (the 1956 Barks 10-pager about
HDL being blocked by a lion from delivering packages) and part two of
"Mickey Aladdin". A page, which actually looks like the first page
of Part 1, was shown. This looks to be from the same crew that
brings us the GO-history series (as I expected). Mickey is Aladdin,
Goofy is the Genie, and Pete is the Sultan (JUST as I predicted).
USA 35 contains Ben Verhagen's "The Treasures of Temple Khaos".
Here's disney-comics mailing list at work: Harry's Database revealed
the story, I sent it in a list to Gladstone, and Dwight translated
and dialogued it. Gladstone couldn't have done it without us, so
it's got to be good. ;-)
COL 2 (solicited as "Walt Disney Giant #2", suggesting that
this may in fact be what the series has been retitled to) is titled
"Uncle Scrooge in Arabia." Beautiful cover lettering and, for once,
a cover made of rearranged Barks art that really looks nice. John
Clark told me that Bruce Hamilton edited this issue. The first half
of this 48-page issue contains Barks' "The Mines of King Solomon."
The second half... welllll....
The second half...
What else do you think would comprise the second half of a
comic book titled "Uncle Scrooge in Arabia"?
That's right, a full reprint of the 1949 Disney/Whitman Little
Golden Book "The Cold-Blooded Penguin." An illustrated text story
with that penguin from Walt Kelly's "Three Caballeros" story (and the
film itself). Around 20 pages of penguins, in fact.
Dwight, you're our only contact with Gladstone right now. I
can't call them because it costs $4 per minute from here. Maybe you
want to call them (I can't do so, for various reasons) and see if
something (like moving the material that was to have comprised the
second half of this year's now-cancelled 64-page US issue) can be
done? I'm sorry to say it, especially because I personally like old
Disney story-books, but I think that reprinting a Little Golden Book
without a single Duck in it in the back of this comic may be
commercial suicide (no matter what the quality of the penguin tale
itself may be).
COLLECTORY is apparently what's going to determine Gladstone's
position from now on on "whether or not oversized issues sell". This
is a critical situation.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
E-Mail account has had problems and, I believe, consumed the letter
the last few times I sent it. Per, if you see it come your way
again, try to stop it before it hits the Digest a second time!
Subject: This month's "Previews"
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:34:43
I went by two comic-shops today. One, which doesn't get
Gladstones due to some legal hassle from Fleetway (publishers of the
infamous MICKEY AND FRIENDS), had gotten their comics in; the other,
where I was expecting to find WDC&S 598, hadn't.
But the one without Gladstones did have a "Previews" catalogue
which mentioned some upcoming Gladstone comics:
DD 294 has "The Dye is Cast" (the 1957 Barks 10-pager in which
Gyro's off-red and water-colored dyes wreak havoc on the water
resources of Duckburg) and the usual AT strips. The cover was shown
and is a reprint of AT's cover to WDC&S 17 (1942), although that
wasn't noted in the advertisement.
DD+MM 2 has "Special Delivery" (the 1956 Barks 10-pager about
HDL being blocked by a lion from delivering packages) and part two of
"Mickey Aladdin". A page, which actually looks like the first page
of Part 1, was shown. This looks to be from the same crew that
brings us the GO-history series (as I expected). Mickey is Aladdin,
Goofy is the Genie, and Pete is the Sultan (JUST as I predicted).
USA 35 contains Ben Verhagen's "The Treasures of Temple Khaos".
Here's disney-comics mailing list at work: Harry's Database revealed
the story, I sent it in a list to Gladstone, and Dwight translated
and dialogued it. Gladstone couldn't have done it without us, so
it's got to be good. ;-)
COL 2 (solicited as "Walt Disney Giant #2", suggesting that
this may in fact be what the series has been retitled to) is titled
"Uncle Scrooge in Arabia." Beautiful cover lettering and, for once,
a cover made of rearranged Barks art that really looks nice. John
Clark told me that Bruce Hamilton edited this issue. The first half
of this 48-page issue contains Barks' "The Mines of King Solomon."
The second half... welllll....
The second half...
What else do you think would comprise the second half of a
comic book titled "Uncle Scrooge in Arabia"?
That's right, a full reprint of the 1949 Disney/Whitman Little
Golden Book "The Cold-Blooded Penguin." An illustrated text story
with that penguin from Walt Kelly's "Three Caballeros" story (and the
film itself). Around 20 pages of penguins, in fact.
Dwight, you're our only contact with Gladstone right now. I
can't call them because it costs $4 per minute from here. Maybe you
want to call them (I can't do so, for various reasons) and see if
something (like moving the material that was to have comprised the
second half of this year's now-cancelled 64-page US issue) can be
done? I'm sorry to say it, especially because I personally like old
Disney story-books, but I think that reprinting a Little Golden Book
without a single Duck in it in the back of this comic may be
commercial suicide (no matter what the quality of the penguin tale
itself may be).
COLLECTORY is apparently what's going to determine Gladstone's
position from now on on "whether or not oversized issues sell". This
is a critical situation.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Per Starback
3 x This month's "Previews"
Message 49 -
1995-06-05 at 16:23:30
> This is the third time I've tried to send this message; my
> E-Mail account has had problems and, I believe, consumed the letter
> the last few times I sent it.
No, but some computer in Edinburgh hang on to your letter for a few
days before it sent it further away, so all three of them went to the
list.
> Per, if you see it come your way again, try to stop it before it
> hits the Digest a second time!
Yes, I've deleted the first two of your three messages from the next
digest, but please remember that you digest subscribers are a
*minority* on this list. Most people are regular subscribers who
simply get what's sent to the list, and of course there's nothing I
can do about inappropriate messages after they are sent out.
(Also all these references like "...in the previous digest", "in
digest #313" or for that matter Subject lines that just mention the
issue number of the digest won't mean anything for most list members.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> E-Mail account has had problems and, I believe, consumed the letter
> the last few times I sent it.
No, but some computer in Edinburgh hang on to your letter for a few
days before it sent it further away, so all three of them went to the
list.
> Per, if you see it come your way again, try to stop it before it
> hits the Digest a second time!
Yes, I've deleted the first two of your three messages from the next
digest, but please remember that you digest subscribers are a
*minority* on this list. Most people are regular subscribers who
simply get what's sent to the list, and of course there's nothing I
can do about inappropriate messages after they are sent out.
(Also all these references like "...in the previous digest", "in
digest #313" or for that matter Subject lines that just mention the
issue number of the digest won't mean anything for most list members.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Deckerd
Analysis of Donald Duck comics
Message 50 -
1995-06-05 at 19:08:18
> Apart from being a Disney comics fan I am also in my third year of a
> media degree here at the University of Plymouth (UK). While reading
> one of my text books over the weekend (Key Concepts in
> Commuinication) I came across an interesting book listed in the
> 'Relevant Texts' section:
>
> 'How to Read Donald Duck by A. Dorfman and A. Mattelart, New York,
> International General.'
>
> It says that the book is an analysis of Donald Duck comics with
> reference to social and political subtext.
>
> Has anyone read this book? Is it still in print?
>
Oh. That book. It was originally published in Chile about the time of
the Allende government, and is a Marxist analysis of Disney comics,
particularly their influence in the Third World. Dorfman and Mattelart
saw Disney comics as some kind of capitalist plot to keep third world
countries subservient to imperialist countries by planting Bad Ideas
in the masses' heads. Dorf and Matt's solution seemed to be sealing
Chile off from foreign influences and making sure the media only
planted Good Ideas (i.e., theirs) in the masses' heads. The English-
language edition of the book at least has a long introduction by an
American scholar though himself a leftist and sympathetic to the
book's thesis knew something about Carl Barks and how comics are
produced in the real world. The book created a minor stir some years
ago when Disney tried to have its import into the US banned because
of its extensive unauthorized use of Disney art reproductions. I'm
not sure how the legal action came out, but the book was occasionally
seen on the racks at your favorite "progressive" bookstores for years.
Whether it's still in print or not, I don't know. Since Disney is
thriving
all over the globe (well, maybe not in that field just outside of
Paris...)
and Communism seems to be headed for the dustbin of history, it hardly seems
relevant nowadays.
However...I had an unnerving experience on an airplane a few years
back. I was working on a foreign Disney translation for Disney Comics
and suddenly became aware of something Disneyish playing at the edge
of my peripheral vision. I looked up and saw that the college girl
sitting next to me was reading a copy of "How to Read Donald Duck."
It seemed like an awfully weird coincidence. The girl and I got to
talking and it seemed that she had no particular interest in Disney
or comics per se, but had been assigned that book by some professor
in a mass communications class. I pointed out that the book was
hardly an objective study of mass communications in Chile, but written
by a couple of Communist activists with an eye to discrediting opposition so
they could hijack the media for themselves and impose their own
brand of thought control, but the girl just seemed bewildered. Her
professor wouldn't assign a book unless it was okay, would he?
The book is worthless as a study of its nominal subject, but it's an
interesting curio, a collector's item of a sort.
But it brings up an intriguing thought. Karl Marx vs. Carl Barks. And
it seems to me I just read a foreign Disney story where it was evident
that "Brutopia," Barks's all-purpose stand-in for the Cold War adversary,
has since turned into a democratic nice-guy country.
--Dwight Decker
> media degree here at the University of Plymouth (UK). While reading
> one of my text books over the weekend (Key Concepts in
> Commuinication) I came across an interesting book listed in the
> 'Relevant Texts' section:
>
> 'How to Read Donald Duck by A. Dorfman and A. Mattelart, New York,
> International General.'
>
> It says that the book is an analysis of Donald Duck comics with
> reference to social and political subtext.
>
> Has anyone read this book? Is it still in print?
>
Oh. That book. It was originally published in Chile about the time of
the Allende government, and is a Marxist analysis of Disney comics,
particularly their influence in the Third World. Dorfman and Mattelart
saw Disney comics as some kind of capitalist plot to keep third world
countries subservient to imperialist countries by planting Bad Ideas
in the masses' heads. Dorf and Matt's solution seemed to be sealing
Chile off from foreign influences and making sure the media only
planted Good Ideas (i.e., theirs) in the masses' heads. The English-
language edition of the book at least has a long introduction by an
American scholar though himself a leftist and sympathetic to the
book's thesis knew something about Carl Barks and how comics are
produced in the real world. The book created a minor stir some years
ago when Disney tried to have its import into the US banned because
of its extensive unauthorized use of Disney art reproductions. I'm
not sure how the legal action came out, but the book was occasionally
seen on the racks at your favorite "progressive" bookstores for years.
Whether it's still in print or not, I don't know. Since Disney is
thriving
all over the globe (well, maybe not in that field just outside of
Paris...)
and Communism seems to be headed for the dustbin of history, it hardly seems
relevant nowadays.
However...I had an unnerving experience on an airplane a few years
back. I was working on a foreign Disney translation for Disney Comics
and suddenly became aware of something Disneyish playing at the edge
of my peripheral vision. I looked up and saw that the college girl
sitting next to me was reading a copy of "How to Read Donald Duck."
It seemed like an awfully weird coincidence. The girl and I got to
talking and it seemed that she had no particular interest in Disney
or comics per se, but had been assigned that book by some professor
in a mass communications class. I pointed out that the book was
hardly an objective study of mass communications in Chile, but written
by a couple of Communist activists with an eye to discrediting opposition so
they could hijack the media for themselves and impose their own
brand of thought control, but the girl just seemed bewildered. Her
professor wouldn't assign a book unless it was okay, would he?
The book is worthless as a study of its nominal subject, but it's an
interesting curio, a collector's item of a sort.
But it brings up an intriguing thought. Karl Marx vs. Carl Barks. And
it seems to me I just read a foreign Disney story where it was evident
that "Brutopia," Barks's all-purpose stand-in for the Cold War adversary,
has since turned into a democratic nice-guy country.
--Dwight Decker
Deckerd
Gladstone news: not good
Message 51 -
1995-06-05 at 21:22:11
When I got to work this morning, I found something like _nine_ e-mail
messages with David Gerstein in the return address waiting for me. It
looks like everything he sent by whatever means got through.
> Dwight, you're our only contact with Gladstone right now. I
> can't call them because it costs $4 per minute from here. Maybe you
> CAN call John and ask if something (like moving the material that was
> to have comprised the second half of this year's now-cancelled
> 64-page US issue) can be done?
David, isn't this coming awfully close to telling Gladstone how to
run its business? From what you've said, this was a decision Bruce
Hamilton made, so even John Clark couldn't change his mind. Besides,
if the contents of the issue have already been announced in Previews,
it must be too late to change it now. I haven't always agreed with
Hamilton's brainstorms, either, and this may be just another bright
idea that won't work, but it's his company and he makes the decisions
based on what he knows of the business and the market. Do you really
want me to call John and say, "David Gerstein told me to call you and
tell you that Bruce is doing something stupid, and he wants you to
risk your own job by defying your boss."???? I'm sorry, but I'm not
going to call John about this. If you're that exercised about the
matter, it's between you and Bruce. I'm an occasional freelancer for
the company, that's all, and I'm not about to start telling them how
to run their business. Again, sorry, but that's how I see it.
--Dwight
messages with David Gerstein in the return address waiting for me. It
looks like everything he sent by whatever means got through.
> Dwight, you're our only contact with Gladstone right now. I
> can't call them because it costs $4 per minute from here. Maybe you
> CAN call John and ask if something (like moving the material that was
> to have comprised the second half of this year's now-cancelled
> 64-page US issue) can be done?
David, isn't this coming awfully close to telling Gladstone how to
run its business? From what you've said, this was a decision Bruce
Hamilton made, so even John Clark couldn't change his mind. Besides,
if the contents of the issue have already been announced in Previews,
it must be too late to change it now. I haven't always agreed with
Hamilton's brainstorms, either, and this may be just another bright
idea that won't work, but it's his company and he makes the decisions
based on what he knows of the business and the market. Do you really
want me to call John and say, "David Gerstein told me to call you and
tell you that Bruce is doing something stupid, and he wants you to
risk your own job by defying your boss."???? I'm sorry, but I'm not
going to call John about this. If you're that exercised about the
matter, it's between you and Bruce. I'm an occasional freelancer for
the company, that's all, and I'm not about to start telling them how
to run their business. Again, sorry, but that's how I see it.
--Dwight
WADE ~O~
No subject
Message 52 -
1995-06-05 at 21:48:09
please unsubscribe me
thanx
thanx
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Lost Scrooge-cartoon
Message 53 -
1995-06-06 at 01:40:57
PAULO:
>>Did you know that Barks also made a script for a Scrooge cartoon,
>>... The cartoon was never made.
> Why not? I was baffled for long years (before DuckTales) since
> I felt there were no $crooge cartoons - except for the particular cases
> mentioned in the message. Maybe Disney thought $crooge was sort of an
> "uncartoonish" character...
You're right, the artist couldn't get away with the character Scrooge
(as Barks meant him). They tried several sketches, before the film
was abadoned. Barks made 9 pages with drawings for the cartoon
(together with a synopsis of the story).
Barks himself visited the studio several times by then, to see the
progress. (Being the creator of Scrooge he was asked by the studio to
make the script.)
The 9 pages are lost, the synopsis still exists. The synopsis is
printed in the Carl Barks Library, together with lots of information
about the cartoon (and why it was abadoned).
The cartoon was about Scrooge being disturbed by a mice in his
moneybin. Donald was the only other character featured in it.
> The animated Scrooge only had a brief appearance in Disney's
> TV show in the fifties.
>> Which one?
I really don't know. I will check up the C.B.L., *if* they mention
anything about *when* Scrooge appeared briefly in the show...
Do you have tapes of those shows?
Have a nice day!
--- Daniel
>>Did you know that Barks also made a script for a Scrooge cartoon,
>>... The cartoon was never made.
> Why not? I was baffled for long years (before DuckTales) since
> I felt there were no $crooge cartoons - except for the particular cases
> mentioned in the message. Maybe Disney thought $crooge was sort of an
> "uncartoonish" character...
You're right, the artist couldn't get away with the character Scrooge
(as Barks meant him). They tried several sketches, before the film
was abadoned. Barks made 9 pages with drawings for the cartoon
(together with a synopsis of the story).
Barks himself visited the studio several times by then, to see the
progress. (Being the creator of Scrooge he was asked by the studio to
make the script.)
The 9 pages are lost, the synopsis still exists. The synopsis is
printed in the Carl Barks Library, together with lots of information
about the cartoon (and why it was abadoned).
The cartoon was about Scrooge being disturbed by a mice in his
moneybin. Donald was the only other character featured in it.
> The animated Scrooge only had a brief appearance in Disney's
> TV show in the fifties.
>> Which one?
I really don't know. I will check up the C.B.L., *if* they mention
anything about *when* Scrooge appeared briefly in the show...
Do you have tapes of those shows?
Have a nice day!
--- Daniel
Rupert21
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1995-06-06 at 04:58:40
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1995-06-06 at 12:07:26
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Martin Lampen
Analysis of Donald Duck comics
Message 56 -
1995-06-06 at 12:43:38
Dwight,
Thanks for the info, very interesting. I was looking at the book out of a
curiousity value as a collector, and just the name and description of
the content made me laugh. My favorite 'analysis' of Disney is in the
old movie 'Sullivan's Travels' (1942) directed by Preston Sturgess in
which a film director goes on the road in depression era America in
order to make socially relevent films. He comes across a chain gang
who make an impression on him; a chain gang who roar with laughter
when taking part in the only pleasure of their brutal lives - watching
Mickey Mouse cartoons. The director forgets his ideas of social
relevence and goes back to entertaining.
I don't think I'd want to analyse Disney comics - they're entertaiment
for me; a way to unwind from analysing other stuff all day.
The book, by the way, is out of print at the moment, at least in the UK.
Quote from Sullivan's Travels, written by Preston Sturgess:
John Sullivan: "There's a lot to be said for making people laugh. Did
you know that that's all some people have?"
Martin
Thanks for the info, very interesting. I was looking at the book out of a
curiousity value as a collector, and just the name and description of
the content made me laugh. My favorite 'analysis' of Disney is in the
old movie 'Sullivan's Travels' (1942) directed by Preston Sturgess in
which a film director goes on the road in depression era America in
order to make socially relevent films. He comes across a chain gang
who make an impression on him; a chain gang who roar with laughter
when taking part in the only pleasure of their brutal lives - watching
Mickey Mouse cartoons. The director forgets his ideas of social
relevence and goes back to entertaining.
I don't think I'd want to analyse Disney comics - they're entertaiment
for me; a way to unwind from analysing other stuff all day.
The book, by the way, is out of print at the moment, at least in the UK.
Quote from Sullivan's Travels, written by Preston Sturgess:
John Sullivan: "There's a lot to be said for making people laugh. Did
you know that that's all some people have?"
Martin
Gianfranco Goria - Anonima Fumetti - Italian Cartoonists Society
Analysis of Donald Duck comics
Message 57 -
1995-06-06 at 13:00:49
>a chain gang who roar with laughter ...
I remember that movie!...
And the analysis of that book was linked to the times... And they could not
understand that there is a big difference in the stories: each artist has
his own "world" to describe. There is not a unique "Disney world". Each
artist says something that is a little bit different from the other. Do you
remeber when people did not know the names of the authors? People believed
that all stories (and movies) were made by Walt Disney himself!!! Now we
know this is not the truth.
And there is a big difference beetween the industry (whose main "ideal" is
making lots of money for itself, and many times that's the only ideal) and
the artist (whose ideal is to make something good, or something that people
will appreciate, or to say something he believes in, and so on). So we see
that making comics (or books, or movies) is a strange mix.
Sure, in Italy people think that a big big big industry as Disney just
consider us as a "colony". May be it's true. Almost all the money made with
the work of a big lot of italian artists on the Disney characters goes back
to the USA (no... to the Walt Disney co. ...): see, we make 400 stories in a
year, we sell millions and millions of copies of Disney comics made entirely
in Italy (texts and drawings) in Italian style, each week. And they pay the
artists no royalties, they even don't give back the originals! And they pay
the artist about 35$ each page of text and 60$ each page of drawing. Just as
a colony... And the so big presence of Disney magazines (about 30!) in the
news vendors, destroied almost all the other Italian comics magazines for
children, making a monopoly thanks to the big and rich organization of the
WDco (and the fact that Disney characters are so lovely)... This did not
happen in France, may be cause they had such a lot of very good comics of
their own, before the advent of the Disney industry (and a very different
story in the last World War II!).
So, you see, these are real problems (the kind of problems that made
possible the American colonies revolution against the U.K....), while it's
impossible to say that there is an organized "Disney thought" to pass the
capitalistic thought through the comics. There is no need of it! Disney is
simply a capitalistic industry, which knows well how to make money for
itself, even letting the artists talk about ecology, or, may be (as Barks
and a lot of others did in their amusing stories) talking against the
capitalistic ideology...
I remember that movie!...
And the analysis of that book was linked to the times... And they could not
understand that there is a big difference in the stories: each artist has
his own "world" to describe. There is not a unique "Disney world". Each
artist says something that is a little bit different from the other. Do you
remeber when people did not know the names of the authors? People believed
that all stories (and movies) were made by Walt Disney himself!!! Now we
know this is not the truth.
And there is a big difference beetween the industry (whose main "ideal" is
making lots of money for itself, and many times that's the only ideal) and
the artist (whose ideal is to make something good, or something that people
will appreciate, or to say something he believes in, and so on). So we see
that making comics (or books, or movies) is a strange mix.
Sure, in Italy people think that a big big big industry as Disney just
consider us as a "colony". May be it's true. Almost all the money made with
the work of a big lot of italian artists on the Disney characters goes back
to the USA (no... to the Walt Disney co. ...): see, we make 400 stories in a
year, we sell millions and millions of copies of Disney comics made entirely
in Italy (texts and drawings) in Italian style, each week. And they pay the
artists no royalties, they even don't give back the originals! And they pay
the artist about 35$ each page of text and 60$ each page of drawing. Just as
a colony... And the so big presence of Disney magazines (about 30!) in the
news vendors, destroied almost all the other Italian comics magazines for
children, making a monopoly thanks to the big and rich organization of the
WDco (and the fact that Disney characters are so lovely)... This did not
happen in France, may be cause they had such a lot of very good comics of
their own, before the advent of the Disney industry (and a very different
story in the last World War II!).
So, you see, these are real problems (the kind of problems that made
possible the American colonies revolution against the U.K....), while it's
impossible to say that there is an organized "Disney thought" to pass the
capitalistic thought through the comics. There is no need of it! Disney is
simply a capitalistic industry, which knows well how to make money for
itself, even letting the artists talk about ecology, or, may be (as Barks
and a lot of others did in their amusing stories) talking against the
capitalistic ideology...
Dixon H Chandler
Complete Barks--hardcover or soft?
Message 58 -
1995-06-06 at 18:07:54
Hi, Barks fans!
Any opinions on the Complete Carl Barks in Hardcover--fifteen volumes,
isn't it? VS. the softcover volumes coming out as Donald Duck Adventures,
et al?
I'd like to have _all_ the great Barks adventure stories, ultimately.
(The non-adventure stories are a lesser priority, altho the Gyro Gearloose
stories would be nice.)
BUT of course there's the question of money, which I don't have in
abundance. Do the paperback volumes REPRINT the notes from the hardcovers
(by Geoffrey O'Brien, I think?), or are these new notes entirely?
What about the colors? I sort of prefer the color versions, simply since
my kids enjoy them more that way, and the hardcovers aren't entirely in
color, are they?
Sorry if this is a topic that's been covered ad nauseum; I just
discovered this list, and would be interested in any feedback on this.
Thanks,
-dc
Any opinions on the Complete Carl Barks in Hardcover--fifteen volumes,
isn't it? VS. the softcover volumes coming out as Donald Duck Adventures,
et al?
I'd like to have _all_ the great Barks adventure stories, ultimately.
(The non-adventure stories are a lesser priority, altho the Gyro Gearloose
stories would be nice.)
BUT of course there's the question of money, which I don't have in
abundance. Do the paperback volumes REPRINT the notes from the hardcovers
(by Geoffrey O'Brien, I think?), or are these new notes entirely?
What about the colors? I sort of prefer the color versions, simply since
my kids enjoy them more that way, and the hardcovers aren't entirely in
color, are they?
Sorry if this is a topic that's been covered ad nauseum; I just
discovered this list, and would be interested in any feedback on this.
Thanks,
-dc
Dixon H Chandler
Lost Scrooge-carto
Message 59 -
1995-06-06 at 18:16:20
> > The animated Scrooge only had a brief appearance in Disney's
> > TV show in the fifties.
>
> >> Which one?
I _think_ this was one of the pseudo-educational cartoons produced by
Disney, i. e. "Donald in Math-Magic Land" (or something like that). I
think there were a few of these featuring Ludwig von Duck, and he
introduced Scrooge as being a master of counting?
Perhaps this is all false memory, sorry if so.
-dc
> > TV show in the fifties.
>
> >> Which one?
I _think_ this was one of the pseudo-educational cartoons produced by
Disney, i. e. "Donald in Math-Magic Land" (or something like that). I
think there were a few of these featuring Ludwig von Duck, and he
introduced Scrooge as being a master of counting?
Perhaps this is all false memory, sorry if so.
-dc
9475609
Telling Gladstone what to do (not for me!)
Message 60 -
1995-06-06 at 20:59:45
DWIGHT:
As to my interference with Gladstone's decisions, or (worse) my
asking you to interfere with them...
Boy, are you ever right. As you know I'm relatively new to
this business and -- well, a trifle overexcited about things at
times. You're right -- regardless of whether I think Bruce Hamilton (or
whoever decided to reprint "The Cold-Blooded Penguin" in COLLECTORY 2)
is making a mistake, it's not up to me to tell Gladstone what to do.
Asking YOU to do such dirty work FOR me is even sillier.
Thanks for explaining your views on the issue so patiently. I
might make an offhand remark to John about it, but no need to talk a lot
about it. Perhaops John didn't want to reprint a 1949 Golden Book
about penguins, but it might not have been his decision, and I don't
want to sound like I'm blaming him for that.
For now, I'll leave Gladstone to do what they think is best.
Thanks for knocking some sense into me, Dwight!
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
As to my interference with Gladstone's decisions, or (worse) my
asking you to interfere with them...
Boy, are you ever right. As you know I'm relatively new to
this business and -- well, a trifle overexcited about things at
times. You're right -- regardless of whether I think Bruce Hamilton (or
whoever decided to reprint "The Cold-Blooded Penguin" in COLLECTORY 2)
is making a mistake, it's not up to me to tell Gladstone what to do.
Asking YOU to do such dirty work FOR me is even sillier.
Thanks for explaining your views on the issue so patiently. I
might make an offhand remark to John about it, but no need to talk a lot
about it. Perhaops John didn't want to reprint a 1949 Golden Book
about penguins, but it might not have been his decision, and I don't
want to sound like I'm blaming him for that.
For now, I'll leave Gladstone to do what they think is best.
Thanks for knocking some sense into me, Dwight!
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>