Daniel:
There are three addresses as the reflector list and the digest list
are different lists that you can subscribe to and unsubscribe from
separately. It's vitally important that that can be done
automatically if I'm to continue administrating this mailing list.
I'm sure the welcome messages could be made better, and maybe they
should be shorter, but I frankly don't care if you are bored by them,
and won't make them substantially shorter. They contain what I want
to say to new subscribers. I won't stop saying it because most of you
don't care to read it, or because you presume that noone will care
about what I ask or advise them to do. I want to have it said anyway.
As for the new digests: Some people have complained that it "doesn't
work" anymore. Apart from the unfortunate digest #3 it has indeed
worked exactly as it should. What it all boils down to is that you
use mail programs that recognize that the digests you get consists of
several messages, and then they insist on showing them one at a time
for you, or in some other way behave differently that they would do
with a large message that it didn't realize had parts in it.
I could change the digest making program to not insert those hints
that your mail programs know about. But I won't! At least not for
some time. I'll give you a chance to try this out first. And
hopefully some of you even will consider actually reading the
documentation for your mail programs to get to know what it does about
multi-part messages and how you can customize it to do what you want
instead.
If it continues to bug people, then a change might be a good idea
after all. But that, like all cosmetic changes, will have to wait.
First I'm nervous about whether it will work at all, and whether it
will reduce my workload as much as I've hoped for.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
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End of dcomics-d Digest V95 Issue #4
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Author
Topic: 199512
(361 messages)
Per Starback
The new mail-system
Message 31 -
1995-12-03 at 22:02:16
TKlein28
Digests 3 & 4
Message 32 -
1995-12-04 at 02:32:19
PER:
I think the new format looks fine. It works the same for me. I applaud
your efforts to reduce your own workload and improve the technology, and am
sorry to see you receiving so many complaints here. Let us remember that we
aren't paying Per to do this, fellow readers!
DON: I haven't seen any of the newest stories you've been talking about, and
am sorry to hear they are computer lettering everything (with the same font).
This confirms my thought that they are cutting costs by lettering that way,
and I probably won't be asked to letter any more of your stories. Ah well, at
least LO$ is complete!
I think the new format looks fine. It works the same for me. I applaud
your efforts to reduce your own workload and improve the technology, and am
sorry to see you receiving so many complaints here. Let us remember that we
aren't paying Per to do this, fellow readers!
DON: I haven't seen any of the newest stories you've been talking about, and
am sorry to hear they are computer lettering everything (with the same font).
This confirms my thought that they are cutting costs by lettering that way,
and I probably won't be asked to letter any more of your stories. Ah well, at
least LO$ is complete!
David A Gerstein
dcomics-d Digest V95 #4
Message 33 -
1995-12-04 at 03:15:51
UPCOMING GLADSTONES:
It was John Clark who told me that "MM and the Trojan Horse"
had been moved from DDM 4 (its original spot) to DDM 5, so that it
wouldn't come too soon after "Horsing Around with History," but it
looks like he actually must have moved it to #6.
"A Mouse and His Dog" as I recall is another of the "new
breed" MM stories -- no pun intended -- as MM, red two-button shorts
very much in evidence, and Pluto travel to some mystic land where
animals are enchanted and Pluto gains (temporarily) the ability to
speak. I enjoyed what I could of that story when I saw it in Danish
last year. The new Egmont DDM looks like a winner again.
DON:
You're going to do the cover for the MM Disney Giant issue?
So now we get to see you illustrate either a Mickey story, or a Donald
story that includes Fethry! How did this come about?
Needless to say, you can imagine how glad I'll be if you
really are doing that Mickey cover. In fact, I know the story in
question very well and have some ideas for the cover for you... ;-)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
It was John Clark who told me that "MM and the Trojan Horse"
had been moved from DDM 4 (its original spot) to DDM 5, so that it
wouldn't come too soon after "Horsing Around with History," but it
looks like he actually must have moved it to #6.
"A Mouse and His Dog" as I recall is another of the "new
breed" MM stories -- no pun intended -- as MM, red two-button shorts
very much in evidence, and Pluto travel to some mystic land where
animals are enchanted and Pluto gains (temporarily) the ability to
speak. I enjoyed what I could of that story when I saw it in Danish
last year. The new Egmont DDM looks like a winner again.
DON:
You're going to do the cover for the MM Disney Giant issue?
So now we get to see you illustrate either a Mickey story, or a Donald
story that includes Fethry! How did this come about?
Needless to say, you can imagine how glad I'll be if you
really are doing that Mickey cover. In fact, I know the story in
question very well and have some ideas for the cover for you... ;-)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Per Starback
Welcome-messages
Message 34 -
1995-12-04 at 04:21:57
Daniel:
> Reading this, I don't know if I offended you or not. If so, my excuses.
No, I'm just tired.
> Maybe a welcome-message consisting of two chapters is better? Then
Well, I don't know if you noticed it before you got too bored by
reading it :-), but it's *three* "chapters" now, and one part does
indeed include that which I think everyone *needs* to know.
> Question: How does Smart-list work with unsubscribe-messages sent to
> the club? If I'd gave this letter the subject "unsubscribe", would I
> then be automatically unsubscribed?
Messages sent to the list that SmartList thinks are such requests will
not go out to the list. It's configurable whether they will be taken
care of automatically as if they were sent to the correct address.
I've made it *not* take care of them but instead just send them to me,
and then I'll see what to do about them.
If there are "false hits" that really are legitimate messages I'll see
to that they get to the list, so they will only be delayed a little.
--
Per
> Reading this, I don't know if I offended you or not. If so, my excuses.
No, I'm just tired.
> Maybe a welcome-message consisting of two chapters is better? Then
Well, I don't know if you noticed it before you got too bored by
reading it :-), but it's *three* "chapters" now, and one part does
indeed include that which I think everyone *needs* to know.
> Question: How does Smart-list work with unsubscribe-messages sent to
> the club? If I'd gave this letter the subject "unsubscribe", would I
> then be automatically unsubscribed?
Messages sent to the list that SmartList thinks are such requests will
not go out to the list. It's configurable whether they will be taken
care of automatically as if they were sent to the correct address.
I've made it *not* take care of them but instead just send them to me,
and then I'll see what to do about them.
If there are "false hits" that really are legitimate messages I'll see
to that they get to the list, so they will only be delayed a little.
--
Per
Jacob Sparre Andersen
More about Mickey Mysterier
Message 35 -
1995-12-04 at 12:17:45
Everybody:
I've set up a WWW document with some information on the Danish series of
Mickey Mouse stories called Mickey Mysterier.
There is a link to the document on my Disney document at
"http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre/Disney/index.eng.html".
Per:
I've put links to your Disney character descriptions in the document. Please
tell me if/when you want me to change the links.
Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sparre Andersen.
--
Have you played with your LEGO today?
--
URL's: "mailto:(Email removed)", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre/LEGO/MOC".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
I've set up a WWW document with some information on the Danish series of
Mickey Mouse stories called Mickey Mysterier.
There is a link to the document on my Disney document at
"http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre/Disney/index.eng.html".
Per:
I've put links to your Disney character descriptions in the document. Please
tell me if/when you want me to change the links.
Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sparre Andersen.
--
Have you played with your LEGO today?
--
URL's: "mailto:(Email removed)", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre/LEGO/MOC".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
Harry Fluks
Home address & Bear Mountain (Digest #3)
Message 36 -
1995-12-04 at 14:02:18
ALL:
I now have a private e-mail address, so I don't have to upset my employer
by using his facilities (which I'm still doing at the moment, BTW 8-).
So everyone, if you have private mail for me, please send it to
(Email removed) (notice the '4')
This also means I'll be able to use WWW. Which probably means I won't have
much sleep from now on.
DON/ARTHUR:
The Dutch version of "Christmas on Bear Mountain" came from a Danish archive.
The Dutch text is a translation from Danish (or German), and is indeed
quite different from the original. The Dutch editor published this story
in 1974, when copies of the original USA story were not available.
--Harry.
I now have a private e-mail address, so I don't have to upset my employer
by using his facilities (which I'm still doing at the moment, BTW 8-).
So everyone, if you have private mail for me, please send it to
(Email removed) (notice the '4')
This also means I'll be able to use WWW. Which probably means I won't have
much sleep from now on.
DON/ARTHUR:
The Dutch version of "Christmas on Bear Mountain" came from a Danish archive.
The Dutch text is a translation from Danish (or German), and is indeed
quite different from the original. The Dutch editor published this story
in 1974, when copies of the original USA story were not available.
--Harry.
Mattias Hallin
Odds Bodkins
Message 37 -
1995-12-04 at 14:07:19
Several people have tried to recall in what Disney Comic they've seen the
expression "Odds Bodkins" used. That expression is used several times in Barks'
"The Ghost of the Grotto", both by the ghost and by one of the nephews.
All my best!
/Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <(Email removed)> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
expression "Odds Bodkins" used. That expression is used several times in Barks'
"The Ghost of the Grotto", both by the ghost and by one of the nephews.
All my best!
/Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <(Email removed)> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Harry Fluks
Welcome messages
Message 38 -
1995-12-04 at 14:20:15
PER to Daniel:
> I'm sure the welcome messages could be made better, and maybe they
> should be shorter, but I frankly don't care if you are bored by them,
> and won't make them substantially shorter.
I'm sure Daniel was only responding to your request
"You can comment on them, so I can make them clearer and better."
Personally, I think the welcoming messages are quite readable, and one
can't make the message short enough for every idiot to read it. In fact,
I was _missing_ one thing: people should not send binary files to the list,
since a lot of people cannot decode them.
> I'm nervous about whether it will work at all, and whether it
> will reduce my workload as much as I've hoped for.
I sure hope so! Up to now, it only generated extra messages... 8-)
Can you give us any indication how much work you had to put in this list?
Several hours a day? I am willing to have a bit of inconvenience if that
reliefs you from a lot of work!
--Harry.
((Email removed))
> I'm sure the welcome messages could be made better, and maybe they
> should be shorter, but I frankly don't care if you are bored by them,
> and won't make them substantially shorter.
I'm sure Daniel was only responding to your request
"You can comment on them, so I can make them clearer and better."
Personally, I think the welcoming messages are quite readable, and one
can't make the message short enough for every idiot to read it. In fact,
I was _missing_ one thing: people should not send binary files to the list,
since a lot of people cannot decode them.
> I'm nervous about whether it will work at all, and whether it
> will reduce my workload as much as I've hoped for.
I sure hope so! Up to now, it only generated extra messages... 8-)
Can you give us any indication how much work you had to put in this list?
Several hours a day? I am willing to have a bit of inconvenience if that
reliefs you from a lot of work!
--Harry.
((Email removed))
MASSENGALE MELANIE O
Problems responding on the Digest
Message 39 -
1995-12-04 at 14:29:43
Hi Folks:
Apparently there is a problem with copying in portions of the Digest to
which I'm trying to respond. I used to be able to copy in the whole text,
then edit down just to what I needed. This week, when I hit "reply," most
if not all of the text disappears. Presumably, though it's invisible to
me, it is quite visible to some of you. I don't have a solution to the
problem so I simply won't copy in any text at all if I post.
To those of you so inconvenienced, I apologize.
Regards,
Melanie
Apparently there is a problem with copying in portions of the Digest to
which I'm trying to respond. I used to be able to copy in the whole text,
then edit down just to what I needed. This week, when I hit "reply," most
if not all of the text disappears. Presumably, though it's invisible to
me, it is quite visible to some of you. I don't have a solution to the
problem so I simply won't copy in any text at all if I post.
To those of you so inconvenienced, I apologize.
Regards,
Melanie
MASSENGALE MELANIE O
AW: Do you guys all know each other or what?
Message 40 -
1995-12-04 at 14:35:22
Greetings,
This one came separately in email, so let's see if it will copy in
correctly. I can't copy off the Digest anymore without getting the entire
text, and that is most inconvenient to all concerned.
That being the case, let this response go for everyone who wrote with
regard to the topic:
On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Fluks wrote:
> > I get the impression that all of you people must already know each other
>
> Several people know each other. But I know most of the people on this list
> only FROM this list.
Ok, though it sounds incredibly cliquish. Maybe you've all been here a
long time.
> > If this is really a private group, just say so and
> > I'll go away. I don't like being ignored.
>
> This is NOT a private group. If you have that impression: I'm sorry. But
> since you have been on this list since its beginning (haven't you? I know
> you from *before* the mailing list existed), you should know better.
If I was here before (and it seems vaguely familiar), I think I know why I
left.
> >From time to time, people post messages with questions noone can answer.
> It happens to me in 1 out of 5 or 6 messages. What do you want in
> such a case? A few dozen responses from people saying "I don't know"?
I look at the arcane topics being discussed and wonder how anybody can
know the answer.
Maybe it's a cultural thing.
> > Evidently others don't either,
> > judging from the number and hysteria level of people scratching and
> > clawing to unsubscribe.
>
> I think most of those unsubscribers are Disney lovers but have no idea
> what Disney *comics* is about. And are not willing to learn about it.
Well, what is Disney comics about? I think a newbie has a hard time
learning here.
> > It has the sound an feel of a snooty little clique of insiders.
>
> What can we do to change that? This list is meant for *everyone* who
> is interested in Disney comics.
Good, that's what we all want, I think. I'd rather learn more about how
the Duck and McDuck families evolved or how the Beagle Boys were
developed than somebody's impressions of a comics convention in Italy. I
read the comics avidly but don't make it to Italy too often.
> > What I'd really like to know, and have posted about twice with no
> > response, is whether there will be any further usage by Gladstone of the
> > characters that Don Rosa has so beautifully developed in "Lo$"
>
> Melanie: I really have no idea. But I agree about Hortense and
> Mathilda: they could be great comic characters in future stories.
It would be helpful to newbies if you could somehow identify and welcome
them to the group, give them a list of pointers and help them navigate the
culture here. I think there is so much interest in certain topics that
others are easily overlooked, or the posting may sound strange in this
group's culture. It might be helpful to try to orient new posters in some
way.
Thanks for responding!
Regards,
Melanie
This one came separately in email, so let's see if it will copy in
correctly. I can't copy off the Digest anymore without getting the entire
text, and that is most inconvenient to all concerned.
That being the case, let this response go for everyone who wrote with
regard to the topic:
On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Fluks wrote:
> > I get the impression that all of you people must already know each other
>
> Several people know each other. But I know most of the people on this list
> only FROM this list.
Ok, though it sounds incredibly cliquish. Maybe you've all been here a
long time.
> > If this is really a private group, just say so and
> > I'll go away. I don't like being ignored.
>
> This is NOT a private group. If you have that impression: I'm sorry. But
> since you have been on this list since its beginning (haven't you? I know
> you from *before* the mailing list existed), you should know better.
If I was here before (and it seems vaguely familiar), I think I know why I
left.
> >From time to time, people post messages with questions noone can answer.
> It happens to me in 1 out of 5 or 6 messages. What do you want in
> such a case? A few dozen responses from people saying "I don't know"?
I look at the arcane topics being discussed and wonder how anybody can
know the answer.
Maybe it's a cultural thing.
> > Evidently others don't either,
> > judging from the number and hysteria level of people scratching and
> > clawing to unsubscribe.
>
> I think most of those unsubscribers are Disney lovers but have no idea
> what Disney *comics* is about. And are not willing to learn about it.
Well, what is Disney comics about? I think a newbie has a hard time
learning here.
> > It has the sound an feel of a snooty little clique of insiders.
>
> What can we do to change that? This list is meant for *everyone* who
> is interested in Disney comics.
Good, that's what we all want, I think. I'd rather learn more about how
the Duck and McDuck families evolved or how the Beagle Boys were
developed than somebody's impressions of a comics convention in Italy. I
read the comics avidly but don't make it to Italy too often.
> > What I'd really like to know, and have posted about twice with no
> > response, is whether there will be any further usage by Gladstone of the
> > characters that Don Rosa has so beautifully developed in "Lo$"
>
> Melanie: I really have no idea. But I agree about Hortense and
> Mathilda: they could be great comic characters in future stories.
It would be helpful to newbies if you could somehow identify and welcome
them to the group, give them a list of pointers and help them navigate the
culture here. I think there is so much interest in certain topics that
others are easily overlooked, or the posting may sound strange in this
group's culture. It might be helpful to try to orient new posters in some
way.
Thanks for responding!
Regards,
Melanie
Don Rosa
dcomics-d Digest V95 #4
Message 41 -
1995-12-04 at 15:51:00
***Start of message from DON ROSA***
PER:
I can't say what other people are now seeing on their screens as
they get the new-style Digests, but on my screen it's a mess! Of the dozen
or so messages included in this latest Digest, only two or three had headers
to give me a clue as to who was writing them. And several were run directly
into the previous message so that it seemed quite clear that it was all one
message from one person, when it indeed was not. One of David G.'s messages
was attached directly to the bottom of my message, so that it looked like I
was writing it. I would have had NO idea who was writing most of the
messages in the Digest if the various people had not typed their own names
at the end of their message -- all I would have seen was a long list of
paragraphs with no idea who was saying what for the most part. Even if
people all sign their messages clearly, I still MUST have a header on the
message to tell me who's writing, or the first thing I do is zip forward in
hopes that the writer thought to sign his note and show me where it
concludes. I guess we could all start doing what I'm doing on this message,
with the opening and closing lines... but I'd rather just go back to the old
style Digests which I thought were just perfect.
***End of message from DON ROSA***
PER:
I can't say what other people are now seeing on their screens as
they get the new-style Digests, but on my screen it's a mess! Of the dozen
or so messages included in this latest Digest, only two or three had headers
to give me a clue as to who was writing them. And several were run directly
into the previous message so that it seemed quite clear that it was all one
message from one person, when it indeed was not. One of David G.'s messages
was attached directly to the bottom of my message, so that it looked like I
was writing it. I would have had NO idea who was writing most of the
messages in the Digest if the various people had not typed their own names
at the end of their message -- all I would have seen was a long list of
paragraphs with no idea who was saying what for the most part. Even if
people all sign their messages clearly, I still MUST have a header on the
message to tell me who's writing, or the first thing I do is zip forward in
hopes that the writer thought to sign his note and show me where it
concludes. I guess we could all start doing what I'm doing on this message,
with the opening and closing lines... but I'd rather just go back to the old
style Digests which I thought were just perfect.
***End of message from DON ROSA***
Per Starback
Digests
Message 42 -
1995-12-04 at 17:02:54
OK OK OK, I give up. :-)
The digests still follow the RFC that describes digest format but they
won't be MIME/Multipart messages.
The digests still follow the RFC that describes digest format but they
won't be MIME/Multipart messages.
Vanessa Chianese
your mail
Message 43 -
1995-12-04 at 17:24:23
Unsubscribe (Email removed)/ L Vanessa Chianese
Vanessa Chianese
(Email removed)
Vanessa Chianese
(Email removed)
Henri Sivonen
dcomics-d Digest V95 #3
Message 44 -
1995-12-04 at 18:01:18
AUGIE,
>And now for my stupid question of the day: Has "Christmas on Bear
>Mountain" been reprinted anytime in the past ten years?
Check out The Carl Barks Library of Donald Duck Adventures in Color #8
--
Henri Sivonen
(Email removed)
Fax: +358-0-479387
>And now for my stupid question of the day: Has "Christmas on Bear
>Mountain" been reprinted anytime in the past ten years?
Check out The Carl Barks Library of Donald Duck Adventures in Color #8
--
Henri Sivonen
(Email removed)
Fax: +358-0-479387
David A Gerstein
Availability of Christmas on Bear Mountain
Message 45 -
1995-12-04 at 18:30:13
AUGIE:
"Christmas on Bear Mountain" was reprinted in Disney Comics'
DDAD 9, the Christmas 1990 issue. And it's also available in CBLDD 8,
where the color is MUCH better and it's also paired with the BEST
printing of "The Old Castle's Secret" EVER to appear (with beautiful
Sue Daigle-Leach colors, this is an all-time keeper). If you don't
have any other printings of this story, or even if you DO have, say,
an old Whitman edition or the hardback CBL, the CBLDD album is one of
the best in that line and definitely worth your while.
Weird cover on it, though (a scene from "The Old Castle's
Secret," but not a particularly exciting scene or anything).
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
"Uncle Scrooge is a swell old duck!
A swell old duck is he!"
"Christmas on Bear Mountain" was reprinted in Disney Comics'
DDAD 9, the Christmas 1990 issue. And it's also available in CBLDD 8,
where the color is MUCH better and it's also paired with the BEST
printing of "The Old Castle's Secret" EVER to appear (with beautiful
Sue Daigle-Leach colors, this is an all-time keeper). If you don't
have any other printings of this story, or even if you DO have, say,
an old Whitman edition or the hardback CBL, the CBLDD album is one of
the best in that line and definitely worth your while.
Weird cover on it, though (a scene from "The Old Castle's
Secret," but not a particularly exciting scene or anything).
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
"Uncle Scrooge is a swell old duck!
A swell old duck is he!"