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Don Rosa
KATHY:

I don't know if someone was having trouble finding the "D.U.C.K." in
the first panel of "The Treasury of Creosus", but it's there. However, DON'T
try to find it in the splash panels of parts 2 & 3. It AIN'T there. As for
the COVER on WDC&S #602, that's a reprint of a European cover... and I can't
recall if the dedication is on there or not. I'll need to look for myself
when that issue appears.
Mike Pohjola
PER:
From Don's latest message, I would get the idea, that the Digest
isn't daily anymore, but comes out whenever there's 'nuff messages. Is this
true? How many messages need there be? (I'm sure this is all in the welcoming
message, but it's in some other place right now, and will be for a while, so
please don't kill me.)

LUTZ:
Oh, come now! One can't possibly remember who said what and when,
when referring to a comment made earlier. I'd simply be happy if info I'd
given would prove useful later.

KATHY:
Isn't 'thug' simply a synonyme for robber, rogue, thief? Or does it
mean somebody with a little more muscle and a wider chin? If so, I agree with
you that Don's BB look like that.
And I had no problem in finding D.U.C.K. in the first panel. (although
the story was published in January and I found it two weeks ago..)

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Per Starback
Mike Pohjola asked how often the digests are sent out nowadays.
There are two criteria. Whenever there's material that's older than
24 hours it's time to send out a new digest. Also the digests won't
be bigger than 32 Kbytes, so when you all have written a lot the
digests will come more frequently.

(Note that messages can be older than the 24 hours I mentioned, as the
list managing software isn't active when it hasn't anything to do, and
thus won't notice that it's time for a new digest. Just in case it is
alerted once a day even if there are no new messages, so there
eventually will be a digest with the last couple of messages even when
traffic dies off or some time.)

If anyone thinks that any of the values "24 hours" and "32 Kbytes"
should be changed, just tell me (and why). In particular I chose the
maximum size very arbitrarily, and if some of you have mail software that
has problems with messages larger than a particular size I'd like to
hear that.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Jyrki Vainio
LUTZ:

I'm sorry if I happened to sound rude in that digest you
mentioned. It was totally unintentional. My friends have long
cursed my exceptionally bad memory for names - especially if I've
met some girl that they haven't and I can't remember her name.
In this case, I just read thru the whole digest and answered when
I came to the end. Then I simply have forgotten who provided what
piece of info. Nothing personal. (erm... wasn't that just what
you were complaining about...? ;-)

DON:

I visited the comic store Good Fellows today (important: it's
actually written as two different words) and they had thi signed
limited edition of your book exhibited in a locked glass-door
cabinet. Many people were interested in it but mostly they went
away coughing when they heard its price. Anyways, the store
owners said that the signed edition had sold surprisingly well -
there were only three copies left. Way to go! Generally everyone
have been amazed at the amount of people you gathered to the
festivals.

--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Torsten Wesley Adair
I didn't know which attachment went to which subject, so this reply
will not have the original text.

Originally, someone asked about a character named Wing Ding who talked in
symbols (?), and if there was a connection to a Microsoft font titled Wing
Ding.

Well, in printing parlance, dingbats are symbols used either to identify
text (pointing finger, bullet), or to separate text blocks (curlicues).
Dingbats are usually sold as a seperate typeface, and to my knowledge,
there are no Sans Serif Dingbats, or Times Dingbat fonts. When I used
Microsoft Word for Macintosh, there was a font titled Zapf Dingbat, which
meant that it was a dingbat typeface created by the Zapf Corporation (and
possibly by Mr. Zapf as well).

I do not have the Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition handy, or else I
would post an etymology about the word "dingbat".

I prefer Bembo Roman or Bookman.

Torsten Adair (Email removed) Omaha, NE, USA

Per, what happens to mail that gets sent to the old digest address?
Torsten Wesley Adair
As I start to index late Gold Keys (post-Barks to pre-Gladstone), I wonder
how people identify creators. I know that Gladstone credits everything,
so I figure they have the files from Western Publishing. How does this
mailing list know who is what?

Also, I thumb through the French Disney titles looking for Don Rosa
stories, and I can't help but notice that there seems to be a European
style for the paperback collections. It is more loose (unconnected art
lines, more cartoony), and usually uses Fethry (is he the one with the
sailor's cap?). Is this a house style, and if so, when was it started?

Also, are we Americans missing anything by not having these stories
published by Gladstone? I personally like the style. It's different, but
well done.

Torsten Adair (Email removed) Washington, DC, USA
Per Starback
I don't know, but I don't think that Gladstone has access to any files
with credits from Western. I think they have to do as the rest of us
have to do -- learn to differentiate between the different artists by
learning to recognizing their styles, and probably by using sources
such as Becattini's Dell Disney index.

At least during its first run Gladstone did a remarkably bad job of
this, often failing to recognize, or even miscrediting, artists whom
it's sort of common knowledge to recognize at least here among people
who care about that sort of stuff.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Fluks
Torsten:
> As I start to index late Gold Keys (post-Barks to pre-Gladstone), I wonder
> how people identify creators. I know that Gladstone credits everything,
> so I figure they have the files from Western Publishing. How does this
> mailing list know who is what?

By coincidence, this was discussed here recently.
We recognise the artist's style (like "strange Beagle Boys mouths"). If
an artist is credited on one place, we can credit all the other stories
that have the same style (in my example Jack Manning. I knew his style,
but I only learned his name from a recent Gladstone comic).

Apart from credits in the Gladstone comics, there are various other
sources for credits:

- Alberto Becattini's indexes (some of the info comes right from the
Disney archives, or so it seems)
(BTW: Gladstone also gets credit information from Becattini,
sometimes.)
- Indexes in fanzines like Der Hamburger Donaldist, Carl Barks & Co
and Striprofiel (mostly on Dutch stories)
- The Danish weekly had a short period when they gave full credits for
all stories
- etc.

We on this mailing list have the advantage that the different people have
different sources from different countries. We combine all the data in the
Disney comics Database. (BTW: I can't wait to see your Gold Key index! 8-)

> I thumb through the French Disney titles and I can't help but notice
> that there seems to be a European
> style for the paperback collections. It is more loose (unconnected art
> lines, more cartoony), and usually uses Fethry (is he the one with the
> sailor's cap?). Is this a house style, and if so, when was it started?

If his French name is Popop, then that's Fethry.

I don't know about France, but the Italians have had
a similar loose style for decades. This dates from the mid-50s.

> someone asked about a character named Wing Ding who talked in
> symbols (?), and if there was a connection to a Microsoft font titled Wing
> Ding. [...]
> I do not have the Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition handy, or else I
> would post an etymology about the word "dingbat".

It's not the word Dingbat this question was about, but the name "Wing Ding".
This is a character from a Gottfredson newspaper strip from the 40s or 50s.
Wing Ding "talks" by showing letters (not symbols) on a screen. Halfway the
story the writer decides it is easier to have him talk out of his neck.

And since I'm answering questions:

> Per, what happens to mail that gets sent to the old digest address?

This mail is forwarded to the right address.

--Harry.

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Henri Sivonen
I bought an issue (#29) of the Dutch Donald Duck magazine last summer. The
middle spread featuted stickers for the Duck Family tree and descriptions
of all the charecters pictured. The strange thing was that even the
characters in the stickers had the same poses as in those pictures drawn by
Don Rosa they weren't the same illustrations! Does anyone know why?

--
Henri Sivonen
(Email removed) WWW:
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris
Cdoberman
Boys and girls,

My local comics shop has a large selection of old Dell comics, and I saw a
cover on WDCS #279 or 179 (or something like that) that cracked me up.
Donald was giving the boys haircuts and had used electric clippers to cut a
scalp-deep "H" on Huey's head, "D" on Dewey's and "L" on Louie's. It was
rather grotesque seeing the boys pink, stubbly scalps down there. Has anyone
else seen this issue, and are the stories inside any good?

-- Wes

"Attention! All Needy People! Line up now for the Great Clothes Rush!" --
Master of Ceremonies, Festival of the Poor
Cdoberman
Jyrki:

"the signed edition had sold surprisingly well -
there were only three copies left. Way to go!"

Does Don or anyone else besides the dealer get revenue for this? This kind
of thing only impresses me when a portion of the proceeds support a
charitable cause.

-- Wes
Daniel Van Eijmeren
HENRI:

> I bought an issue (#29) of the Dutch Donald Duck magazine last
> summer. The middle spread featuted stickers for the Duck Family tree
> and descriptions of all the charecters pictured. The strange thing
> was that even the characters in the stickers had the same poses as in
> those pictures drawn by Don Rosa they weren't the same illustrations!
> Does anyone know why?

The Dutch version was redrawn by (if I'm right) Michel Nadorp. The
Dutch editors are very critical when it comes to art-work. Somehow they
didn't like the picture as it was drawn by Don. Sometimes they also
redraw a Barks-cover, because they don't like it's original look. For
this reason we won't see Barks' picture-story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time"
in the Dutch weekly.

WES:

> I saw a cover on WDCS #279 or 179 (or something like that) that
> cracked me up. Donald was giving the boys haircuts and had used
> electric clippers to cut a scalp-deep "H" on Huey's head, "D" on
> Dewey's and "L" on Louie's. (...) Has anyone else seen this issue,
> and are the stories inside any good?

The issue is WDC 169 and the cover you're talking about is made by
Barks. I don't know about further contents of the comic, but there's
at least a Barks-tenpager in it. In this story, the nephews decide that
they won't go to school and they escape on a boat. When they return,
Donalds fools them with a note on the door in which he says that he
left to Afghanistan to forget his loneliness.

This is only half of the story, but maybe you recognized it already?

Greetings,

--- Daniel
Don Rosa
JYRKI:
That signed, limited-edition leather-bound version of my Finnish
hardback -- yeah, it IS expensive, eh? I never asked them what it would sell
for, and I never found out until I returned home from my visit there, and
someone mentioned it to me in private mail. One of the first 20 was $350...
is that right? And #21-100 were, I forget, $250? Or $150? In American
dollars, of course, and since the dollar is weak, that might not be a full
$350 "equivalent" in Finnish bucks... but it would STILL be a mess o' marks,
and I could see why someone might "cough" at the mention.
Yes, they tell me the book in general has sold quite well, passing
the "million mark" ... mark... very early. Surely Christmas time helped.

MIKE (AND ALL OTHER FINNS):
Back on the subject of Uncle $crooge toys: there have never been
many sold in America... probably less than 10 through all the years prior to
about 10 years ago when the appearance of both MICKEY'S XMAS CAROL and
DUCKTALES put a boost to public awareness of $crooge (even though it was a
bogus $crooge in both cases). But as for toys or items based on the TRUE
Dell $crooge, there were never more than a handful -- but I can now add one
$crooge toy to the American roster. And it's the Finnish bank-giveaway
$crooge-sitting-on-a-chest! I never knew that that item was distributed in
America, but at a big local New Year "flea market" here in Louisville, I
chanced to spot one half-hidden on a dealer table. It was exactly like the
ones I've gotten from Finland... even stamped "made in Finland" on the
bottom... but on the back was a neat painted logo for the "South Carolina
National Bank". So that makes it an official American $crooge item.
Another reason I mention it is that it was in real good shape except
that it's glasses were missing. Would there be any spare pairs of these lil'
glasses in any Finnish collections?
LAFFALOT
Hey, all.

I was recently rummaging through my Barks collection and found something I
had forgotten about. A portfolio called "A Lithoghraphic Suite of
Preliminary Paintings by Carl Barks."
This is #363 out of a limited edition of 500. Ten paintings are represented,
ergo ten lithos.

1.) An Embarrassment of Riches
(a Money Bin painting)

2.) Among His Souvenirs
(Scrooge examinig his mementos)

3.) Till Death Do Us Part
(Scrooge and a huge bag of gold dust)

4.) Prosperity Posed for Posterity
(A Scrooge portrait)

5.) A 1934 Belchfire Runabout
(The commemorative painting for Donald's 50th birthday)

6.) Which Disney Theme Park Is This?
(The Duck family in Terrie-Fermie land, Terrie and Fermies are
hawking Disney memorabilia)

7.) Return To Morgan's Island
(A variation of the cover for Donald Duck Find's Pirate Gold)

8.) Afoul of the Flying Dutchman
(Based on the Barks story. The Duck Family caught in a storm at
sea with the Flying Dutchman in the background)

9.) Dam Disaster at Money Lake
(A Painting of the splash panel from Uncle Scrooge Four Color
#386 of the money dam bursting.)

10.) Dubious Doings at Dismal Downs
(The Duck Family in the cemetary of Castle McDuck from the story
The Old Castle's Secret.)

Each litho is numbered and initialed by Barks, and a signed and numbered
certificate of authenticity is also included, as well as a sheet explaining
the paintings.

It really is a nice portfolio. I paid $150 for it new in 1987, and have no
idea what it's worth today. I've asked at several local comic shops, but
they've been no help. If anyone can give me an idea of its worth, I would be
grateful.

(Email removed)
(Ken Gordon)
Fabio Gadducci
Hi, folks. I'll briefly unlurk to answer some old questions, to do some
advertising and to wish all of you a happy New Year.

Let's start with the questions.

Mikko wrote, some time ago, about Italian comics:

> Ahh! Tex Willer, that is a truly classic western comic-book.
> BTW, I heard that Joe Kubert himself is currently working on Tex
> Willer comic books. I think Tex's circulation is over 600.000 in
> Italy alone (correct me if I'm wrong).

Well, that's almost true. Each month there are a new episode and two
reprints, so that the total is a little more than that. But in these days
the best seller is Dylan Dog (the publisher is the same, Bonelli), with a
total of more than 700.000 for the new episode and the two reprints each
month.
Of course, the winner is Topolino, since it sell around 400.000 each week
(not to mention all the other publications: there is more or less a new
issue of a Disney comics every two days), with some peak of 1 million
during summer, when Topolino is sold together with some gadgets like a
``watch'' or a ``walkie-talkie''.

Frank Staiano (hello, Francesco) asked for some information about Rota's
stories. I'll tell you more in private mail about the Italian editions of
the Danish stories (I know it will be too late to be useful, but...). As
for now, let me say that Gaudenzio Capelli has almost anything to do with
the writing of ``The Money Sea'' (despite what's written in the book
``Disney Italiani''): a complete index of all Marco Rota production
(including the non-Disney stuff) has been compiled by Alberto Becattini. I
gave it to Marco Rota in a recent visit I paid to him in Milan, and he
promised to send me back a revised edition. I hope to post it to Harry for
the database in not so long time... (but you remember that ``readiness'' is
not my first name, Harry, right?).
And about the Perego fillers: it is a pity to see what they have done to
the original art in order to publish these stories in the Classici series.
In a recent convention I saw a guy selling part of the art that was cut out
of Paperino Don Chisciotte (by Martina and Lorenzo De Vita): this guy had
all those panels laid on a table, and was selling them for quite an
expensive ``ransom'' (together with many Cavazzano's, Carpi's and Scarpa's
pages). I myself have the ending page of Paperin Fracassa by Scarpa: the
text in the bottom of the page has been replaced by a new panel, drawn by
Scarpa himself, that I think (I never checked it out) is cut from the
initial page of the second part.

To David (and all the others): I have not seen yet the Colossus of the Nile
(appeared in USA 36). How about the final version? Did Gladstone decide to
publish the full version of it, with the correct splitting?)

Let me say that to have a taste of politically correctness was funny, at
least for me. And about Disney comics written (or drawn) by women: there
are some in Italy, and the percentage is higher than in the mainstream
comics. In particular, I really like Silvia Ziche: her style is
Cavazzano-like, but really nice. A pity that her other jobs (she is a
satirical cartoonist) are better paid. Furthermore, as David remarked some
time ago, most of the editorial board of Topolino is made up of women.
That's terrible: we absolutely should get rid of them... :-)

Torsten wrote:
>Also, I thumb through the French Disney titles looking for Don Rosa
>stories, and I can't help but notice that there seems to be a European
>style for the paperback collections. It is more loose (unconnected art
>lines, more cartoony), and usually uses Fethry (is he the one with the
>sailor's cap?). Is this a house style, and if so, when was it started?

Well, maybe the guy with the sailor's cap is Moby Duck (the one hunting
whales, right?), and in that case most of the stories are from the Studio's
production of the mid-seventies. And about the style: too many different
kind of styles
has been used in Italy in these years. Why not to look at the numbers of
rows per page? Three rows is surely Italian...

Frank Fabian asked for the Becattini Index about the newspaper: the
publisher should have some more copies. I can easily check it, if you like.
Or you can write to Alberto Becattini. Now, let me open the advertising
section. Granata Press, the publisher of ``I Disney Italiani'', closed shop
this year, and they are selling the remaining copies of their volumes for
half price. ``Disney Italiani'' should cost around 10-15 dollars (I do not
remember the correct price): it is written by Boschi-Gori-Sani (with an
index about the authors by Becattini) and it is an almost definitive
history of the Disney school in Italy. Moreover, a month ago Comic Art
published ``Disney nel mondo'' (or something similar), a very good history
of the Disney publications in the whole world, written by Alberto
Becattini. It is a great book, and should cost around 25 dollars.
Unfortunately, both the books are in Italian. But if you are interested,
write me: I can figure out the correct prices (with the mail expenses), and
send them to you. Or try to contact Alberto Becattini (I'll ask him if I
can send his address to the list).

Ok, that's all for now. I hope you do not pay the mail by byte, because I'm
sending you my warmest wishes of a

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HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Fabio

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