Keskustelujen arkisto

DWIGHT:

I happen to like the 'Wak' business, or its Finnish equivalent at
least. Here the saying 'kaak' (with two dots on top of both 'a's)
has become somewhat a household word. But I guess that that word
don't indicate so much to ducks' natural sounds as the Eglish one
does, so it's not so much concerned with those negative points
you said. Oh well.

BTW, I saw your article about Barks on an old issue of the Comics
Journal. Good work! Did you notice on a recent digest when this
one guy said that the book 'The Fine Art of Walt Disney's Donald
Duck by Carl Barks' now sells for some $ 2000 in Germany? Lucky
you.

MIKE:

Did you take that list of Christmas wishes out of the Junior
Woodchuck Guide? ;-)

--- Jyrki Vainio ---

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dcomics Digest Volume 95 : Issue 28

Today's Topics:
MERRY X-MAS!!!
Re: Recognizing styles & Strobl
Re: Disney-comics digest #853.
Merry Christmas!
Jakob's old email-address ...
Re: Merry Christmas!

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it has been FLAT since the Great War!
Ever since World War TWO?!
CARAMBA! There was ANOTHER one?"
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(Email removed)

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 12:14:39 -0700
From: (Email removed)
To: (Email removed), Per Starback <(Email removed)>,
(Email removed)
Subject: Re: Recognizing styles & Strobl
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On Dec 22, 11:57pm, Per Starback wrote:
> Subject: Recognizing styles & Strobl

> Daniel again wrote:
> > You'll also notice that Strobl *very often* used the expression
> > "WAK!" with the ducks jumping up.
>
> Just to avoid confusion I guess it should be added here that Strobl
> didn't write any stories at all. Maybe his script writers tended to
> use those WAK!'s.
>
I've come to really, really hate that "wak." Besides the American
writers who used it (like Vic Lockman in a recently reprinted
story who actually had Scrooge saying "Wak! Wak! Wak!"), there
are some Egmont writers who seem to like it a lot. Since I've
been translating/editing/rescripting a bunch of Egmont stories
into English, I tend to replace that "wak" with something more
intelligible. My feeling is that the Duckness of the Disney
Ducks, particularly in the comic books, is very theoretical, and
for the most the most part the Ducks can be considered human beings
who happen to be drawn like ducks (which gives me a jolt when I
run into stories by Barks and Rosa where beaks and feathers and
webbed feet are acknowledged). In any case, my assumption is that
the Ducks _don't_ quack, and the comic-book Donald Duck as defined
by Mr. B. sounds very different from the animated cartoon Donald
Duck. "Wak" is an attempt by writers to make the printed-page Ducks
sound like their animated cartoon counterparts, and I don't think
it works. Your mileage may differ, of course, and I've found
instances where Barks himself used "wak," so don't think I
consider myself a little tin god here. Just a personal preference.

--Dwight Decker

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 13:04:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Torsten Wesley Adair <(Email removed)>
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Re: Disney-comics digest #853.
Message-Id: <(Email removed)>
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(Yes, I know this was a long time ago, but I'm still catching up on my
digests. I expect to read this letter in a digest sometime in January.)

On Tue, 21 Nov 1995 (Email removed) wrote:

> Contents of digest #853:
>
> Don Rosa Re: Disney-comics digest #852.
> David Gerstein Re: Disney-comics digest #850.
> Hans-Christian Holm Collecting Disney comics from all the world
> Arthur de Wolf Yes! I collect Disney comics from all over the world
>
> ======================================================================
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 08:39 EST
> From: (Email removed) (Don Rosa)
> Subject: Re: Disney-comics digest #852.
>
> But they still left the back cover of that comic blank, where the kid is
> sitting at a drawing table working on a huge dollar bill, and it's SUPPOSED
> to be an ad saying "Hey' kids! Make BIG MONEY!"

Ah-HAHAHAHAHA!!!

> ever seen! It becomes quickly frustrating for an American to see how hoomin
> beans are SUPPOSED to have a wide variety of choices in comic material. In
> Italy (and Europe) you see a huge selection of every sort of comics genre --
> in America we have a huge selection of the same stuff, over and over. Stores
> full of the same stuff. A nation full of the same tastes.

Just a small correction here. While American comics do not have the scope
or attention that European comics do, they do have a wide range of genres.
True, most stores do sell a lot of superhero titles, but there is a
growing interest in non-superhero titles. The best example of this is
Jeff Smith's Bone (highly recommended, and of interest to Duck readers, as
Smith lists Barks and Walt Kelly as influences), which is one of the few
American independents to actually be translated into another language
(German).

As for my tastes, well, they range from superhero (Captain America) to
satire (MAD Magazine) to adult humor (Cherry) to sadistic humor (Milk &
Cheese) to literature (Sandman) to animals (Disney) to crime fiction
(Stray Bullets). No, I am not the average american (thank god!), and I hope
the average american does not become me.

As for superheroes, well, it seems that they won't be as prominent as they
once were, since a lot of children have dropped out of the hobby, and the
older readers are developing better tastes. (I once read nothing but
superheroes.)

As for Gladstone, well, they actually sold out an issue in 1994 (Lo$ #1),
and won two industry awards. Not a bad omen.

> But there's also all sorts of other comics -- especially WESTERNS! One
> of the very largest comic companies publishes almost nothing but westerns!
> And in America we have hardly seen a western comic since the early 60s! Some
> of the only super-hero comics come from a Marvel-Italy company which I
> assume is a recent event there.

I remember seeing a copy of a Fantastic Four comicbook when I was in
Merano in 1985. (I still have a 500 Lira coin from there. And no, I
didn't get the idea from Scrooge. I just thought it was a neat coin, and
a good souvenier.)

> ======================================================================
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:03:50 +0100
> From: Hans-Christian Holm <(Email removed)>
> Cc: (Email removed)
> Subject: Collecting Disney comics from all the world
>
> [ This message was sent twice to the list, but I've removed one
> copy from the digest. /Per ]
>
> I'm new to this group, but it looks like a lot of you are interested in
> what Disney comics are like in various countries. Is there anybody out
> there actually collecting issues from all the world? I started this
> hobby a couple of years ago, mainly as a result of my interest in
> languages. In my opinion, reading Disney comics is THE best way to learn
> a language if you want to be self-taught. Believe me, I've tried quite a
> few other ways.

Many japanese language students learn japanese so that they can read manga
(japanese comics).
Ehapa does a good job with the language in the German Barks.
However, I find the best way to learn a language is to fall in love with a
foreigner. I can say "I love you" in six languages.
>
> *all* available languages. I bought most of the issues when travelling
> around myself, and some of them I asked friends to buy for me when they
> went on holiday. I found the Arabic, Greek and Dutch issues in second
> hand stores in Oslo!

I give friends a $20 bill, and ask them to pick up comics when they're in
a train station. I got the first part of The Universal Solvent in
Icelandic this way. (BTW, Don, I figured out the story just by looking at
the pictures, and guessing at the words. Well done!)

Fortunately, there is a foreign language newstand about three blacks from
where I work, and I thumb through Piscou looking for Don's stories. When
I lived in Omaha, I had a newstand order Mickey Maus Magazine for me.

> But to get all languages, I guess I'll have to order them myself from
> the publishers. I got a list of the major European editors from the
> Norwegian publishing company, but they told me to ask Egmont Denmark (or
> whatever they are called) for a complete list.
> Before I do that, I'd like to hear from anybody with a similar interest,
> and if anybody had experience with ordering issues from other countries.
> Does anyone already have a complete list they can post here?

Yes! I would love to be able to subscribe to the Denmark Disneys, just so
I can see Don's stories early!!!!!
> ======================================================================

Torsten Adair (Email removed) Omaha, NE, USA

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 22:45:53 +0200
From: (Email removed) (Mike Pohjola)
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Merry Christmas!
Message-Id: <(Email removed)>

ALL, no matter where you are from or what languages you speak:
Merry Xmas!
God jul!
Frvhe Weinachten!
Hyvdd joulua!
Puorra juovla!
Glaedelig Jul!
Beztu oskir um gledileg jol!
Hdid JoulupEhi!
Precigus ziemsvetkus!
Linksmu, kaledu svenciu!
S vonym godom!
Joyeux Noel!
Prettige Krestdagen!
Felices Navidad!
Buon Natale!
Feliz Natal!
Karacsonyi udvvzlet!
Szczesliwego!
Yeni yilda basart mutlukuk!
Con los mejoros Deseos Para Navidad!
May this Christmas be for you the merriest day of all!

BTW, have you noticed the exceptionally poor quality of this year's Egmont
Christmas present, the comic Pocahontas?! (so to have _some_ Disney stuff
in the mail)

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:17:39 +-100
From: Arthur de Wolf <(Email removed)>
To: "'Disney Comics Mailing List'" <(Email removed)>
Subject: Jakob's old email-address ...
Message-Id: <(Email removed)>
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Hi everyone!

Jakob So/derbaum just wrote to me, that his mailbox is at its very end
now and he doesn't have very much time left to write any more mails. That
way he asked me to tell everyone on the club, that he'll be back in a few
days with a new address. Any messages sent to his old address ((Email removed)) will arrive, but won't be read by Jakob.

Wait a minute. It's Christmas no!. I guess I'll wish everyone a merry
Christmas, then! ;-)

See ya,

Arthur

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Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 01:18:35
From: Daniel van Eijmeren <(Email removed)>
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas!
Message-Id: <(Email removed)>

MIKE (and of course EVERYONE):

> ALL, no matter where you are from or what languages you speak:
> (...) Prettige Krestdagen!

Thanks for your wishes. It's nice to see that you also included Dutch.
(One little thing I have to say to you, it's "Prettige Kerstdagen". ;-)

So, being a Dutchman, I wish you all:

"Prettige Kerstdagen en een gelukkig nieuwjaar!"

("Merry christmas and a happy newyear!")

--- Daniel

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Hi:

Was there someone on the list who was looking for Rosa's "Windigo" story?
I believe the plot has to do with the return of the Pygmy Indians.

Please email

James

(Email removed)

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Album Walt Disney's Gufi #5 Harga Rp 900,00 Gramedia Majalah

KOMPLOTAN penyelundup Mutiara (cover)

page 2 (inside front cover) Berandal (Scamp) GUFI no. 5

[western art?] Scamp races a bird

page 3 - 31 Komplotan Penyelundup Mutiara

[art has page numbering 48 - 76 (end)] Mickey, Goofy, Chief, Pete
Mickey's ears are elongated with an ecentricity of about 1.5

page 32 - 33 Siapa Yang Menggali Lubang...

Mickey and Goofy are playing chess. A cat's fence singing causes Goofy to
throw a shoe at it.

page 34 Langganan Itu Raja Gufi no. 5 / S-74056

Mickey in a haberdashery.

[inside back cover - back cover] Diberi Hati malah...
Gufi no. 5 / S-73166

Mickey and Goofy run a general store and talk with a Native American (not
stereotypical).

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Distribusi Oleh P.T. Gramedia Copyright : 1988 Walt Disney Company

[page 2] Berandal (Scamp) AWD no. 408
Scamp tries to sleep.

page 3 - 6 Donal Bebek ... Kontra Kiki dan Koko 1 # 1197
(Donald Duck and Chip and Dale)
Chip and Dale try to store acorns in Donald's chimney

page 7 - 14 Lang Ling Lung (Gyro Gearloose) Libngkungan Yang Bersih
S-1413

Gyro tackles litter.

page 15 - 22 Pluto Menangkap Pencuri

Pluto and Minny solve a robbery. [Last panel "... bacalah Album Gufi"]

page 23 - 28 Paman Gober (Uncle Scrooge) Berlibur

Uncle Scrooge, Donald, and Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
Uncle Scrooge has stress. Scrooge's nemesis (glasses, derby, straight
sideburns)

page 29 Miki Tikus

Mickey tries to repair his car roof

page 30, 34 - 36 [back cover] Berandal (scamp) Tetangga Baru

Scamp and an automated dog house.

page 31 - 33 Sebatang Kara

French art western story

The two above titles are from Indonesia (?) and are 11 inch size.

Simsalabim serial donal bebek cover zulius

[extremely off model. Romanda Prodaction (publisher). Inside pages are
on yellow newsprint. 16 pages. Daisy, Donald, Huey, Dewey, and Louie (?!?)
7 3/4 x 5 3/4 inches. Inside covers have no printing. Back cover has
non-Disney cartoons.]

Kacau serial donal bebek IIL ROMANDA

[same size and pages as above, excpect for white newsprint. Better modeling
(iconography of ducks is easily identified). Donald, Huey, Dewey, and
Louie. No printing on inside covers. Back cover has non-Disney comic by
Coretan (?).]

Cemburu serial donal bebek cover zulius

[Same size and pagess as above, yellow newsprint. Extremely off-model.
Daisy, Donald, Huey, Dewey, and Louie. Inside covers blank. Non-Disney
cartoon on back cover.]

It seems that smaller comics were produced before International Copyright
Law was imposed in Indonesia.

Torsten Adair (Email removed) Washington, DC, USA

David,

> "I'm a poor 'n' lonesome cowboy, and a long way, from home!"
> [Lucky Luke's song, as in the new American editions... it's
>been changed, hasn't it?]

It seems they have added the "'n'". I checked some Finnish translations and
one original.

--
Henri Sivonen
(Email removed) WWW:
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris

Don,

My husband and I are still laughing after having read Part I of the Treasury
of Croesus. The art is full of those little sub stories going on like one
of HD&L coughing up a foof bomb or two, drinking some water and smoke coming
out. The feathers all over one nephew and the possible barb wire or
heaven's knows what scratches on the other nephew's head give a hint of the
battle just endured. The condition and colors of the various critters
exiting with Magica, rather than waiting in anticipation for Part II, make
me want to read the UNWRITTEN story of what happened to cause these various
results. The first 13 panels of this story were highly reminiscent of "The
Mythical Menagerie" especially the chickens. The little chick with Mickey
Mouse ears on was a nice touch (and proves that you can draw Mickey? Ahem.
Sorry.)

The expressions throughout ton the various ducks and other characters are
well worth reading the story for. One of our favorite is the camel's
expression on the second panel of the last page.

Also, you are correct that your Beagle Boys resemble thugs more than those
of others. Could it be the fact that every hair of the stubble on their
jowls is clearly visible that is the final convincing detail that these are
indeed thugs?

Was this the story that someone could not find the D.U.C.K. in the first
panel or was it another one?

Kathy

First apologies for the recent bounces where the whole of the two
latest digests (#28 and #29) got back to the list again.

As I wasn't logged in in time to stop it they also appeared in the
latest digest (#30). Digesters, don't miss that there were not only
those "reprints" in digest #30 but also two new messages at the end.
"Various things" from David and "Re: dcomics Digest V95 #28" by James.

I've deleted the address that seems to have generated this from the
list of subscribers.

* * *

Secondly: For various reasons the digest form of subscription is now
the default for new subscribers with the name "dcomics".

If you want to subscribe to the non-digested version of the list
instead you'll have to send a "subscribe" message to
"(Email removed)" instead. ("nd" = "not digest")

When posting messages you're supposed to send them to
(Email removed), but it shouldn't matter if you use
dcomics-nd instead, or even (the previous name of the digest list)
dcomics-d.

I haven't yet moved any of the old subscribers over to the digest as I
temporarily haven't got access to my normal mailbox where there might
be letters from people about what they'd prefer in that matter.

/Per

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