Bjorn Are,
RE: < I do believe that there's a strong Norwegian cultural
tendency to (over)use irony/puns and that this easily gets misunderstood. >
So that is it. I thought maybe it was something I inherited from my Mom and
my Grandparents, yet it is something I grew up with. The English side of me
is very prone to puns and wry humor as well. At any family gathering puns,
jokes, and other forms of humor play a big part. How else can you survive
in life if not with a sense of humor for the most part. Humor keeps people
young. All of my Norwegian relatives but for a few exceptions lived to be of
great age (80's to 90's) and had youthful looking smooth faces. I believe it
was the sense of humor more than anything.
I loved the Chronicals of Narnia from which I believe the Lion, the Witch,
and the Candlestick are taken from. I did not read them until I was an
adult so to speak. I liked the first couple of books the best.
Kathy
Author
Topic: 199512
(361 messages)
Kathy Fitzpatrick
Cultures and colours
Message 316 -
1995-12-22 at 21:07:14
Kathy Fitzpatrick
Zorro
Message 317 -
1995-12-22 at 21:09:52
Melanie,
I am a longtime Zorro fan. There were some new Zorro comics out about 5-7
years ago. Are those the ones you refer to. It didn't last long
unfortunately, but I have the issues. Do you remember the episode that
Annette appeared in?
Two of my sisters and I were about 5, 7, and 9 the first year Zorro came
out. That Halloween we were invited to a Halloween Party. The only problem
was that we all three wanted to go as Zorro that year. My Mother sighed a
great sigh after realizing she was not going to convince us it would be
silly for all three of us to go as Zorro, she helped us all put together our
Zorro costumes. It was great fun and in total there were probably about 8
or 9 other Zorro's at the party. The parents must have had a good laugh.
Watching the Zorro show was a family thing. We LOVED Guy Williams then.
Actually Sergeant Garcia was our other favorite. He tried to be so tought
but was actually afraid of Zorro and bumbled around him. Yet one wonders if
he didn't, in fact, have some sympathy for the cause Zorro represented as he
had no real respect for his superior and often corrupt officers.
Kathy
--------------------------------
End of dcomics-d Digest V95 Issue #26
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I am a longtime Zorro fan. There were some new Zorro comics out about 5-7
years ago. Are those the ones you refer to. It didn't last long
unfortunately, but I have the issues. Do you remember the episode that
Annette appeared in?
Two of my sisters and I were about 5, 7, and 9 the first year Zorro came
out. That Halloween we were invited to a Halloween Party. The only problem
was that we all three wanted to go as Zorro that year. My Mother sighed a
great sigh after realizing she was not going to convince us it would be
silly for all three of us to go as Zorro, she helped us all put together our
Zorro costumes. It was great fun and in total there were probably about 8
or 9 other Zorro's at the party. The parents must have had a good laugh.
Watching the Zorro show was a family thing. We LOVED Guy Williams then.
Actually Sergeant Garcia was our other favorite. He tried to be so tought
but was actually afraid of Zorro and bumbled around him. Yet one wonders if
he didn't, in fact, have some sympathy for the cause Zorro represented as he
had no real respect for his superior and often corrupt officers.
Kathy
--------------------------------
End of dcomics-d Digest V95 Issue #26
*************************************
Per Starback
Recognizing styles & Strobl
Message 318 -
1995-12-23 at 00:57:59
(I'm replying to some old messages about recognizing different
artists' styles.)
I think the best way to learn is to have access to a bunch of comics
that you *know* was drawn by a particular artist and then let your
pattern-matching brain do the work for you subconsciously. Yes, there
are some hard "facts" to use, like this artist draws the ducks with
long beaks and that artist uses a lot of crosshatching etc. etc., but
depending what artists you are talking about you may not have much use
of those things.
Daniel recommended looking at the eyes of the ducks, and wrote that
Barks often drew "pointers" in the pupils. (I call those eyes
"pie-cut eyes".) That's the kind of hard facts that might be useful
for someone who has yet to learn to recognize Barks when looking at
old Dell books for instance, when styles varied a lot more. But later
Barks has become the norm for so many duck artists that those eyes
won't help you much -- I'd guess think almost every D, H and AR duck
artist uses pie-cut eyes too, exactly because Barks does!
Daniel again wrote:
> You'll also notice that Strobl *very often* used the expression
> "WAK!" with the ducks jumping up.
Just to avoid confusion I guess it should be added here that Strobl
didn't write any stories at all. Maybe his script writers tended to
use those WAK!'s.
> His drawings also have very thin lines,
Also, he didn't ink his own art.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
artists' styles.)
I think the best way to learn is to have access to a bunch of comics
that you *know* was drawn by a particular artist and then let your
pattern-matching brain do the work for you subconsciously. Yes, there
are some hard "facts" to use, like this artist draws the ducks with
long beaks and that artist uses a lot of crosshatching etc. etc., but
depending what artists you are talking about you may not have much use
of those things.
Daniel recommended looking at the eyes of the ducks, and wrote that
Barks often drew "pointers" in the pupils. (I call those eyes
"pie-cut eyes".) That's the kind of hard facts that might be useful
for someone who has yet to learn to recognize Barks when looking at
old Dell books for instance, when styles varied a lot more. But later
Barks has become the norm for so many duck artists that those eyes
won't help you much -- I'd guess think almost every D, H and AR duck
artist uses pie-cut eyes too, exactly because Barks does!
Daniel again wrote:
> You'll also notice that Strobl *very often* used the expression
> "WAK!" with the ducks jumping up.
Just to avoid confusion I guess it should be added here that Strobl
didn't write any stories at all. Maybe his script writers tended to
use those WAK!'s.
> His drawings also have very thin lines,
Also, he didn't ink his own art.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Strobl story with rebuilt airplane
Message 319 -
1995-12-23 at 04:32:20
CAREY:
I found that story with the rebuilt airplane, but I didn't find the
code. The story was published in Norway in DD&Co #2 and #3 1958.
It's 18 pages long. I'm quite sure the artist is Tony Strobl.
Donald has found an old map or something from an old relative. It
describes a treasure hidden on an island in the South Seas. There's
only one problem. There's a very unfriendly tribe on the island.
Therefore Donald buys and rebuilds this plane to a submarine, to
get to the island without being discovered. Scrooge wants to know
what's going on. He also wants the treasure, which he suspects that
Donald is looking for. He therefore follows the sub with a small
surface vessel with some fancy electronic equipment to track it.
Scrooge doesn't know about the tribe, and is therefore caught.
Hoping that Donald and the boys are around, he's shouting that he
will give a million to the one who saves him.
Donald: Hi hi, and I was going to do it for free!
The boys distract the natives with Scrooge's boat, and Donald frees
Scrooge. They run for the sub, but find it sinking. Then the boys
head for them with Scrooge's boat, and they all leave the island
with that one -- without the treasure.
When they come home, Scrooge finds a million (kroner) to Donald.
When Donald is about to leave with the money, Scrooge asks him
what value he would put on his own life.
Donald: Well, also a million, I would guess.
Scrooge: Ah, I thought so. Well, since you were rescued with my
boat, that is, by me -- you owe me one million.
Jorgen
I found that story with the rebuilt airplane, but I didn't find the
code. The story was published in Norway in DD&Co #2 and #3 1958.
It's 18 pages long. I'm quite sure the artist is Tony Strobl.
Donald has found an old map or something from an old relative. It
describes a treasure hidden on an island in the South Seas. There's
only one problem. There's a very unfriendly tribe on the island.
Therefore Donald buys and rebuilds this plane to a submarine, to
get to the island without being discovered. Scrooge wants to know
what's going on. He also wants the treasure, which he suspects that
Donald is looking for. He therefore follows the sub with a small
surface vessel with some fancy electronic equipment to track it.
Scrooge doesn't know about the tribe, and is therefore caught.
Hoping that Donald and the boys are around, he's shouting that he
will give a million to the one who saves him.
Donald: Hi hi, and I was going to do it for free!
The boys distract the natives with Scrooge's boat, and Donald frees
Scrooge. They run for the sub, but find it sinking. Then the boys
head for them with Scrooge's boat, and they all leave the island
with that one -- without the treasure.
When they come home, Scrooge finds a million (kroner) to Donald.
When Donald is about to leave with the money, Scrooge asks him
what value he would put on his own life.
Donald: Well, also a million, I would guess.
Scrooge: Ah, I thought so. Well, since you were rescued with my
boat, that is, by me -- you owe me one million.
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Egmont stories, and a strange C'nD story
Message 320 -
1995-12-23 at 04:34:08
DAVID:
| What has Egmont published lately? I'm really wondering if
| anyone keeps track of their non-Rosa, non-Van-Horn publications?
Quite a lot... Yes, tracks are kept/will be kept. I buy everything
published in Norway, so the information will be collected. Eventually,
sometime...
Can't blame you for being curious about your own stories :-)
No, I haven't seen any of them (except for those two). At least none
of the ones you have described (and I _have_ been looking). There
have been published a couple of good Mickey stories lately, though.
I would guess they are Byron Erickson's (not sure).
There was a quite strange duck story in one of the latest issues,
BTW. The nephews are planning to impress Duckburg with some fan-
tastic fireworks. It doesn't work exactly as planned. All the fire-
works explodes at the ground, and the Duck house is burned down in
the combustion. The boys think that Donald was in the house, so...
you can imagine. Well, he isn't. He's working for the Duckburg Fire
Brigade. He comes to the house, with the fire engine, and find the
boys lying outside the remaindings of it. At this time the boys have
fainted. Then he thinks the worst. Well, they discover that they all
are alive, and they get very happy. Who cares about the house and
presents then?
Apropos strange stories. Do you remember when we talked about cross-
overs some time ago, I mentioned a story where Chip'n Dale are
going to a cinema to watch the movie Cinderella? Well, I found it
now, when I was looking for that old Strobl story with the rebuilt
airplane. Anyway, in this story Chip and Dale want to get big, so
they can scare Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear, who want to sell them to
a pet shop. The Fairy from the Cinderella movie hears this, and wants
to help them. After Cinderella got married she gets everything she
wishes anyway, so the fairy has very little to do. So, she uses some
magic on the chipmunks. Every time they say the magic words, they
will grow. If they repeat the words, they will get small again.
One time when they want to get big, they are standing under a branch,
which they in turn bang their heads into. They forget the words, so
they go to the movie theater to see the fairy say the words in the
movie.
This is not an X-story, which I thought it was. It's from WDC&S #243.
Published in Norway in DD&Co #45 1961.
Jorgen
| What has Egmont published lately? I'm really wondering if
| anyone keeps track of their non-Rosa, non-Van-Horn publications?
Quite a lot... Yes, tracks are kept/will be kept. I buy everything
published in Norway, so the information will be collected. Eventually,
sometime...
Can't blame you for being curious about your own stories :-)
No, I haven't seen any of them (except for those two). At least none
of the ones you have described (and I _have_ been looking). There
have been published a couple of good Mickey stories lately, though.
I would guess they are Byron Erickson's (not sure).
There was a quite strange duck story in one of the latest issues,
BTW. The nephews are planning to impress Duckburg with some fan-
tastic fireworks. It doesn't work exactly as planned. All the fire-
works explodes at the ground, and the Duck house is burned down in
the combustion. The boys think that Donald was in the house, so...
you can imagine. Well, he isn't. He's working for the Duckburg Fire
Brigade. He comes to the house, with the fire engine, and find the
boys lying outside the remaindings of it. At this time the boys have
fainted. Then he thinks the worst. Well, they discover that they all
are alive, and they get very happy. Who cares about the house and
presents then?
Apropos strange stories. Do you remember when we talked about cross-
overs some time ago, I mentioned a story where Chip'n Dale are
going to a cinema to watch the movie Cinderella? Well, I found it
now, when I was looking for that old Strobl story with the rebuilt
airplane. Anyway, in this story Chip and Dale want to get big, so
they can scare Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear, who want to sell them to
a pet shop. The Fairy from the Cinderella movie hears this, and wants
to help them. After Cinderella got married she gets everything she
wishes anyway, so the fairy has very little to do. So, she uses some
magic on the chipmunks. Every time they say the magic words, they
will grow. If they repeat the words, they will get small again.
One time when they want to get big, they are standing under a branch,
which they in turn bang their heads into. They forget the words, so
they go to the movie theater to see the fairy say the words in the
movie.
This is not an X-story, which I thought it was. It's from WDC&S #243.
Published in Norway in DD&Co #45 1961.
Jorgen
Jyrki Vainio
dcomics-d Digest V95 #26
Message 321 -
1995-12-23 at 17:57:36
Mike asked me to translate my article about the Helsinki comic
con. So here goes, a live interpretation:
The Comics Society of Finland arranged its 10th comic festivals
lasth month in the old undergraduate house in Helsinki (I beg
pardon from those Finnish members of the list who have better
skills in English than I do... Does anyone know what would be
better a translation for the place 'Vanha ylioppilastalo'?)
The festivals were decided to be held at the end of the year so
that they could also be a start for the centennial celebration
of comics in 1996.
This time the central theme was chosen to be women and comics.
The foreign guests included a veteran of American alternative
comics, Roberta Gregory, and a German artist of a younger
generation, Anke Feuchtenberger. Again it was to be seen, though,
how small press can easily be overrun by larger companies: the
female artists didn't gather nearly as great an audience as the
third foreign celebrity, Don Rosa of the Donald Duck fame.
Rosa arrived at weekend to Vanha (as stated before, that was the
main place of the festivals) as part of a larger tour in Finland.
Every time he was in the ball room signing autographs - and there
were several of these occasions - such a crowd was formed, that
the line of waiting fans had to be stopped before everyone
managed to meet their favourite. When Roberta Gregory was
interviewed not even the benches in the front of the room were
filled.
Gregory herself was fairly satisfied, though, even for this
amount of listeners. She said that because her Naughty Bits
-comic book's printings are only somewhere around eight thousand,
she's left mostly in peace on American conventions. "I get to be
in the centerpoint of attention only when in Europe - here they
treat me like I would be some celebrity", said Gregory.
Roberta Gregory has drawn for American small press publications
since the 70's. She's become known as one of the few female
cartoonists and also as a maker of stories handling lesbians.
Larger audience she hasn't reached until the 90's, with her
Bitchy Bitch character. "Bitchy Bitch started mainly because I
wanted to make fun out of comics that are deliberately drawn
badly", explains Gregory. "Later on I noticed that that's
exactly what Bitchy Bitch is also."
The three-day festivals of Helsinki were this year's largest
comic event in the Scandinavia. Thus the festivals weren't tied
only to the Vanha, but spread through out the city. Exhibitions
were at Kaapelitehdas, were was shown the 20th anniversary
exhibition of Mammila ('a's should have two dots on the top)
seen already in the Kemi comic festivals earlier this year: an
exhibition of Pentti Otsamo, this year's winner of Puupaahattu,
the honorary price of the Comics Society of Finland; and also
a exhibiton of comics seen in the nespaper Helsingin Sanomat.
At the Center of French Culture was shown a large exhibition of
original drawings throughout the whole history of comics, made
up from a private French collection. At the library of Richardin-
katu there was an exhibition of Estonian cartoonists. In one
of Finland's two comic galleries, which functions by the comic
store Good Fellows, there was a large exhibiton of Don Rosa's
original pages. The Good Fellows had also a significant role in
getting Rosa to Finland in the first place. Also the exhibition
itself was a truly rare experience: "I had to promise Disney
that I won't lose them out of my sight for a second", explains
Rosa.
(Included are drawings made by Roberta Gregory and Don and
a caption stating: "Both Roberta Gregory and Don Rosa gave
examples of their skills")
And oh yes, the title was "WOMEN OVERRUN BY DUCKS"
PEACEFUL CHRISTMAS,
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
con. So here goes, a live interpretation:
The Comics Society of Finland arranged its 10th comic festivals
lasth month in the old undergraduate house in Helsinki (I beg
pardon from those Finnish members of the list who have better
skills in English than I do... Does anyone know what would be
better a translation for the place 'Vanha ylioppilastalo'?)
The festivals were decided to be held at the end of the year so
that they could also be a start for the centennial celebration
of comics in 1996.
This time the central theme was chosen to be women and comics.
The foreign guests included a veteran of American alternative
comics, Roberta Gregory, and a German artist of a younger
generation, Anke Feuchtenberger. Again it was to be seen, though,
how small press can easily be overrun by larger companies: the
female artists didn't gather nearly as great an audience as the
third foreign celebrity, Don Rosa of the Donald Duck fame.
Rosa arrived at weekend to Vanha (as stated before, that was the
main place of the festivals) as part of a larger tour in Finland.
Every time he was in the ball room signing autographs - and there
were several of these occasions - such a crowd was formed, that
the line of waiting fans had to be stopped before everyone
managed to meet their favourite. When Roberta Gregory was
interviewed not even the benches in the front of the room were
filled.
Gregory herself was fairly satisfied, though, even for this
amount of listeners. She said that because her Naughty Bits
-comic book's printings are only somewhere around eight thousand,
she's left mostly in peace on American conventions. "I get to be
in the centerpoint of attention only when in Europe - here they
treat me like I would be some celebrity", said Gregory.
Roberta Gregory has drawn for American small press publications
since the 70's. She's become known as one of the few female
cartoonists and also as a maker of stories handling lesbians.
Larger audience she hasn't reached until the 90's, with her
Bitchy Bitch character. "Bitchy Bitch started mainly because I
wanted to make fun out of comics that are deliberately drawn
badly", explains Gregory. "Later on I noticed that that's
exactly what Bitchy Bitch is also."
The three-day festivals of Helsinki were this year's largest
comic event in the Scandinavia. Thus the festivals weren't tied
only to the Vanha, but spread through out the city. Exhibitions
were at Kaapelitehdas, were was shown the 20th anniversary
exhibition of Mammila ('a's should have two dots on the top)
seen already in the Kemi comic festivals earlier this year: an
exhibition of Pentti Otsamo, this year's winner of Puupaahattu,
the honorary price of the Comics Society of Finland; and also
a exhibiton of comics seen in the nespaper Helsingin Sanomat.
At the Center of French Culture was shown a large exhibition of
original drawings throughout the whole history of comics, made
up from a private French collection. At the library of Richardin-
katu there was an exhibition of Estonian cartoonists. In one
of Finland's two comic galleries, which functions by the comic
store Good Fellows, there was a large exhibiton of Don Rosa's
original pages. The Good Fellows had also a significant role in
getting Rosa to Finland in the first place. Also the exhibition
itself was a truly rare experience: "I had to promise Disney
that I won't lose them out of my sight for a second", explains
Rosa.
(Included are drawings made by Roberta Gregory and Don and
a caption stating: "Both Roberta Gregory and Don Rosa gave
examples of their skills")
And oh yes, the title was "WOMEN OVERRUN BY DUCKS"
PEACEFUL CHRISTMAS,
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Jyrki Vainio
Oy! Barks on telly!
Message 322 -
1995-12-23 at 21:13:25
Attention all Finns!!!
As I was passing through next weeks tv listings, I noticed one
programme which you may find interesting:
TV 1, 30.12. 17.05 FST: Carl Barks.
As there were no further explanations one can only guess what
that is all about. As it's in the department of Finland's Swedish
Television (!) it could be presumed that
a) the translations are only in Swedish. Well, if you manage to
attend this list, the language should be of no trouble.
b) the programme could be a document which I heard the Norwegian
tv made prior to Barks's European tour in '94. Am I right,
Norwegian members?
Well, no matter what that programme is, as long as it has
anything to do with the same Carl Barks that we mean, it looks
like lovely holidays for us Finns... (Well, ya know, it _could_
be about Carl Barks, the famous biologist, or that brilliant
young football player Carl Barks...;-)
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
As I was passing through next weeks tv listings, I noticed one
programme which you may find interesting:
TV 1, 30.12. 17.05 FST: Carl Barks.
As there were no further explanations one can only guess what
that is all about. As it's in the department of Finland's Swedish
Television (!) it could be presumed that
a) the translations are only in Swedish. Well, if you manage to
attend this list, the language should be of no trouble.
b) the programme could be a document which I heard the Norwegian
tv made prior to Barks's European tour in '94. Am I right,
Norwegian members?
Well, no matter what that programme is, as long as it has
anything to do with the same Carl Barks that we mean, it looks
like lovely holidays for us Finns... (Well, ya know, it _could_
be about Carl Barks, the famous biologist, or that brilliant
young football player Carl Barks...;-)
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Pekka Frobozz
limited Barks item
Message 323 -
1995-12-24 at 03:04:41
JYRKI:
Do you mean the special edition of the video of the Barks interview that
Jari Laitinen (owner of the Good Fellows comic store in Helsinki) has made?
Anyway, it will cost 795 FIM (about, uh, $200). The special edition is
limited to 100 copies, signed by Carl Barks (with a picture), and has some
extra material. The normal version will cost less than 300 FIM (Jari said
the exact price, but we have forgotten it). The video (both versions) will
be available on Barks' 95th birthday.
ALL:
Happy Holidays!
//Pekka Timonen & Christina Hellstrom
--------------------------------
End of dcomics Digest V95 Issue #27
***********************************
Do you mean the special edition of the video of the Barks interview that
Jari Laitinen (owner of the Good Fellows comic store in Helsinki) has made?
Anyway, it will cost 795 FIM (about, uh, $200). The special edition is
limited to 100 copies, signed by Carl Barks (with a picture), and has some
extra material. The normal version will cost less than 300 FIM (Jari said
the exact price, but we have forgotten it). The video (both versions) will
be available on Barks' 95th birthday.
ALL:
Happy Holidays!
//Pekka Timonen & Christina Hellstrom
--------------------------------
End of dcomics Digest V95 Issue #27
***********************************
Bror Hellman
Oy! Barks on telly!
Message 324 -
1995-12-24 at 03:47:25
On Sat, 23 Dec 1995, Jyrki Vainio wrote:
> As I was passing through next weeks tv listings, I noticed one
> programme which you may find interesting:
>
> TV 1, 30.12. 17.05 FST: Carl Barks.
> a) the translations are only in Swedish. Well, if you manage to
> attend this list, the language should be of no trouble.
>
> b) the programme could be a document which I heard the Norwegian
> tv made prior to Barks's European tour in '94. Am I right,
> Norwegian members?
Yesterday swedish television broadcasted this documentation of Carl Barks
from the Norwegian (and YLE as a partner) television. You could see Carl
Barks and one of his classmates. A short look at Don Rosa (hello Don :-)
William van Horn, Jukka Murtosaari (sp?) and several other norwegian,
german, american and finnish fans as well as a quick look at the Danish
"comic factory". (It is I who call it that.)
I think we discussed this the last time it was broadcasted.
(Wow, finally a subject, even *I* can say something about... :-)
--
Steamboat Willie
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll find me easily. I'll wear a twenty pound battle-axe and a horned
helmet. My pet ice-bear will be whimpering at my feet. I'll be the one
surrounded by mutilated corpses and with severed heads at my belt.
(everyone that said something bad about my lovely Hikaru-chan)
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> As I was passing through next weeks tv listings, I noticed one
> programme which you may find interesting:
>
> TV 1, 30.12. 17.05 FST: Carl Barks.
> a) the translations are only in Swedish. Well, if you manage to
> attend this list, the language should be of no trouble.
>
> b) the programme could be a document which I heard the Norwegian
> tv made prior to Barks's European tour in '94. Am I right,
> Norwegian members?
Yesterday swedish television broadcasted this documentation of Carl Barks
from the Norwegian (and YLE as a partner) television. You could see Carl
Barks and one of his classmates. A short look at Don Rosa (hello Don :-)
William van Horn, Jukka Murtosaari (sp?) and several other norwegian,
german, american and finnish fans as well as a quick look at the Danish
"comic factory". (It is I who call it that.)
I think we discussed this the last time it was broadcasted.
(Wow, finally a subject, even *I* can say something about... :-)
--
Steamboat Willie
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll find me easily. I'll wear a twenty pound battle-axe and a horned
helmet. My pet ice-bear will be whimpering at my feet. I'll be the one
surrounded by mutilated corpses and with severed heads at my belt.
(everyone that said something bad about my lovely Hikaru-chan)
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KERSTIN S.DERBAUM
MERRY X-MAS!!!
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1995-12-24 at 05:50:52
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"I have only one soda left, señor... But I think
it has been FLAT since the Great War!
Ever since World War TWO?!
CARAMBA! There was ANOTHER one?"
---------------------------------
(Email removed)
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Torsten Wesley Adair
Disney-comics digest #853.
Message 326 -
1995-12-24 at 21:04:19
(Yes, I know this was a long time ago, but I'm still catching up on my
digests. I expect to read this letter in a digest sometime in January.)
On Tue, 21 Nov 1995 (Email removed) wrote:
> Contents of digest #853:
>
> Don Rosa Re: Disney-comics digest #852.
> David Gerstein Re: Disney-comics digest #850.
> Hans-Christian Holm Collecting Disney comics from all the world
> Arthur de Wolf Yes! I collect Disney comics from all over the world
>
> ======================================================================
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 08:39 EST
> From: (Email removed) (Don Rosa)
> Subject: Re: Disney-comics digest #852.
>
> But they still left the back cover of that comic blank, where the kid is
> sitting at a drawing table working on a huge dollar bill, and it's SUPPOSED
> to be an ad saying "Hey' kids! Make BIG MONEY!"
Ah-HAHAHAHAHA!!!
> ever seen! It becomes quickly frustrating for an American to see how hoomin
> beans are SUPPOSED to have a wide variety of choices in comic material. In
> Italy (and Europe) you see a huge selection of every sort of comics genre --
> in America we have a huge selection of the same stuff, over and over. Stores
> full of the same stuff. A nation full of the same tastes.
Just a small correction here. While American comics do not have the scope
or attention that European comics do, they do have a wide range of genres.
True, most stores do sell a lot of superhero titles, but there is a
growing interest in non-superhero titles. The best example of this is
Jeff Smith's Bone (highly recommended, and of interest to Duck readers, as
Smith lists Barks and Walt Kelly as influences), which is one of the few
American independents to actually be translated into another language
(German).
As for my tastes, well, they range from superhero (Captain America) to
satire (MAD Magazine) to adult humor (Cherry) to sadistic humor (Milk &
Cheese) to literature (Sandman) to animals (Disney) to crime fiction
(Stray Bullets). No, I am not the average american (thank god!), and I hope
the average american does not become me.
As for superheroes, well, it seems that they won't be as prominent as they
once were, since a lot of children have dropped out of the hobby, and the
older readers are developing better tastes. (I once read nothing but
superheroes.)
As for Gladstone, well, they actually sold out an issue in 1994 (Lo$ #1),
and won two industry awards. Not a bad omen.
> But there's also all sorts of other comics -- especially WESTERNS! One
> of the very largest comic companies publishes almost nothing but westerns!
> And in America we have hardly seen a western comic since the early 60s! Some
> of the only super-hero comics come from a Marvel-Italy company which I
> assume is a recent event there.
I remember seeing a copy of a Fantastic Four comicbook when I was in
Merano in 1985. (I still have a 500 Lira coin from there. And no, I
didn't get the idea from Scrooge. I just thought it was a neat coin, and
a good souvenier.)
> ======================================================================
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:03:50 +0100
> From: Hans-Christian Holm <(Email removed)>
> Cc: (Email removed)
> Subject: Collecting Disney comics from all the world
>
> [ This message was sent twice to the list, but I've removed one
> copy from the digest. /Per ]
>
> I'm new to this group, but it looks like a lot of you are interested in
> what Disney comics are like in various countries. Is there anybody out
> there actually collecting issues from all the world? I started this
> hobby a couple of years ago, mainly as a result of my interest in
> languages. In my opinion, reading Disney comics is THE best way to learn
> a language if you want to be self-taught. Believe me, I've tried quite a
> few other ways.
Many japanese language students learn japanese so that they can read manga
(japanese comics).
Ehapa does a good job with the language in the German Barks.
However, I find the best way to learn a language is to fall in love with a
foreigner. I can say "I love you" in six languages.
>
> *all* available languages. I bought most of the issues when travelling
> around myself, and some of them I asked friends to buy for me when they
> went on holiday. I found the Arabic, Greek and Dutch issues in second
> hand stores in Oslo!
I give friends a $20 bill, and ask them to pick up comics when they're in
a train station. I got the first part of The Universal Solvent in
Icelandic this way. (BTW, Don, I figured out the story just by looking at
the pictures, and guessing at the words. Well done!)
Fortunately, there is a foreign language newstand about three blacks from
where I work, and I thumb through Piscou looking for Don's stories. When
I lived in Omaha, I had a newstand order Mickey Maus Magazine for me.
> But to get all languages, I guess I'll have to order them myself from
> the publishers. I got a list of the major European editors from the
> Norwegian publishing company, but they told me to ask Egmont Denmark (or
> whatever they are called) for a complete list.
> Before I do that, I'd like to hear from anybody with a similar interest,
> and if anybody had experience with ordering issues from other countries.
> Does anyone already have a complete list they can post here?
Yes! I would love to be able to subscribe to the Denmark Disneys, just so
I can see Don's stories early!!!!!
> ======================================================================
Torsten Adair (Email removed) Omaha, NE, USA
digests. I expect to read this letter in a digest sometime in January.)
On Tue, 21 Nov 1995 (Email removed) wrote:
> Contents of digest #853:
>
> Don Rosa Re: Disney-comics digest #852.
> David Gerstein Re: Disney-comics digest #850.
> Hans-Christian Holm Collecting Disney comics from all the world
> Arthur de Wolf Yes! I collect Disney comics from all over the world
>
> ======================================================================
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 08:39 EST
> From: (Email removed) (Don Rosa)
> Subject: Re: Disney-comics digest #852.
>
> But they still left the back cover of that comic blank, where the kid is
> sitting at a drawing table working on a huge dollar bill, and it's SUPPOSED
> to be an ad saying "Hey' kids! Make BIG MONEY!"
Ah-HAHAHAHAHA!!!
> ever seen! It becomes quickly frustrating for an American to see how hoomin
> beans are SUPPOSED to have a wide variety of choices in comic material. In
> Italy (and Europe) you see a huge selection of every sort of comics genre --
> in America we have a huge selection of the same stuff, over and over. Stores
> full of the same stuff. A nation full of the same tastes.
Just a small correction here. While American comics do not have the scope
or attention that European comics do, they do have a wide range of genres.
True, most stores do sell a lot of superhero titles, but there is a
growing interest in non-superhero titles. The best example of this is
Jeff Smith's Bone (highly recommended, and of interest to Duck readers, as
Smith lists Barks and Walt Kelly as influences), which is one of the few
American independents to actually be translated into another language
(German).
As for my tastes, well, they range from superhero (Captain America) to
satire (MAD Magazine) to adult humor (Cherry) to sadistic humor (Milk &
Cheese) to literature (Sandman) to animals (Disney) to crime fiction
(Stray Bullets). No, I am not the average american (thank god!), and I hope
the average american does not become me.
As for superheroes, well, it seems that they won't be as prominent as they
once were, since a lot of children have dropped out of the hobby, and the
older readers are developing better tastes. (I once read nothing but
superheroes.)
As for Gladstone, well, they actually sold out an issue in 1994 (Lo$ #1),
and won two industry awards. Not a bad omen.
> But there's also all sorts of other comics -- especially WESTERNS! One
> of the very largest comic companies publishes almost nothing but westerns!
> And in America we have hardly seen a western comic since the early 60s! Some
> of the only super-hero comics come from a Marvel-Italy company which I
> assume is a recent event there.
I remember seeing a copy of a Fantastic Four comicbook when I was in
Merano in 1985. (I still have a 500 Lira coin from there. And no, I
didn't get the idea from Scrooge. I just thought it was a neat coin, and
a good souvenier.)
> ======================================================================
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:03:50 +0100
> From: Hans-Christian Holm <(Email removed)>
> Cc: (Email removed)
> Subject: Collecting Disney comics from all the world
>
> [ This message was sent twice to the list, but I've removed one
> copy from the digest. /Per ]
>
> I'm new to this group, but it looks like a lot of you are interested in
> what Disney comics are like in various countries. Is there anybody out
> there actually collecting issues from all the world? I started this
> hobby a couple of years ago, mainly as a result of my interest in
> languages. In my opinion, reading Disney comics is THE best way to learn
> a language if you want to be self-taught. Believe me, I've tried quite a
> few other ways.
Many japanese language students learn japanese so that they can read manga
(japanese comics).
Ehapa does a good job with the language in the German Barks.
However, I find the best way to learn a language is to fall in love with a
foreigner. I can say "I love you" in six languages.
>
> *all* available languages. I bought most of the issues when travelling
> around myself, and some of them I asked friends to buy for me when they
> went on holiday. I found the Arabic, Greek and Dutch issues in second
> hand stores in Oslo!
I give friends a $20 bill, and ask them to pick up comics when they're in
a train station. I got the first part of The Universal Solvent in
Icelandic this way. (BTW, Don, I figured out the story just by looking at
the pictures, and guessing at the words. Well done!)
Fortunately, there is a foreign language newstand about three blacks from
where I work, and I thumb through Piscou looking for Don's stories. When
I lived in Omaha, I had a newstand order Mickey Maus Magazine for me.
> But to get all languages, I guess I'll have to order them myself from
> the publishers. I got a list of the major European editors from the
> Norwegian publishing company, but they told me to ask Egmont Denmark (or
> whatever they are called) for a complete list.
> Before I do that, I'd like to hear from anybody with a similar interest,
> and if anybody had experience with ordering issues from other countries.
> Does anyone already have a complete list they can post here?
Yes! I would love to be able to subscribe to the Denmark Disneys, just so
I can see Don's stories early!!!!!
> ======================================================================
Torsten Adair (Email removed) Omaha, NE, USA
Deckerd
Recognizing styles & Strobl
Message 327 -
1995-12-24 at 21:14:39
On Dec 22, 11:57pm, Per Starback wrote:
> Subject: Recognizing styles & Strobl
> Daniel again wrote:
> > You'll also notice that Strobl *very often* used the expression
> > "WAK!" with the ducks jumping up.
>
> Just to avoid confusion I guess it should be added here that Strobl
> didn't write any stories at all. Maybe his script writers tended to
> use those WAK!'s.
>
I've come to really, really hate that "wak." Besides the American
writers who used it (like Vic Lockman in a recently reprinted
story who actually had Scrooge saying "Wak! Wak! Wak!"), there
are some Egmont writers who seem to like it a lot. Since I've
been translating/editing/rescripting a bunch of Egmont stories
into English, I tend to replace that "wak" with something more
intelligible. My feeling is that the Duckness of the Disney
Ducks, particularly in the comic books, is very theoretical, and
for the most the most part the Ducks can be considered human beings
who happen to be drawn like ducks (which gives me a jolt when I
run into stories by Barks and Rosa where beaks and feathers and
webbed feet are acknowledged). In any case, my assumption is that
the Ducks _don't_ quack, and the comic-book Donald Duck as defined
by Mr. B. sounds very different from the animated cartoon Donald
Duck. "Wak" is an attempt by writers to make the printed-page Ducks
sound like their animated cartoon counterparts, and I don't think
it works. Your mileage may differ, of course, and I've found
instances where Barks himself used "wak," so don't think I
consider myself a little tin god here. Just a personal preference.
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: Recognizing styles & Strobl
> Daniel again wrote:
> > You'll also notice that Strobl *very often* used the expression
> > "WAK!" with the ducks jumping up.
>
> Just to avoid confusion I guess it should be added here that Strobl
> didn't write any stories at all. Maybe his script writers tended to
> use those WAK!'s.
>
I've come to really, really hate that "wak." Besides the American
writers who used it (like Vic Lockman in a recently reprinted
story who actually had Scrooge saying "Wak! Wak! Wak!"), there
are some Egmont writers who seem to like it a lot. Since I've
been translating/editing/rescripting a bunch of Egmont stories
into English, I tend to replace that "wak" with something more
intelligible. My feeling is that the Duckness of the Disney
Ducks, particularly in the comic books, is very theoretical, and
for the most the most part the Ducks can be considered human beings
who happen to be drawn like ducks (which gives me a jolt when I
run into stories by Barks and Rosa where beaks and feathers and
webbed feet are acknowledged). In any case, my assumption is that
the Ducks _don't_ quack, and the comic-book Donald Duck as defined
by Mr. B. sounds very different from the animated cartoon Donald
Duck. "Wak" is an attempt by writers to make the printed-page Ducks
sound like their animated cartoon counterparts, and I don't think
it works. Your mileage may differ, of course, and I've found
instances where Barks himself used "wak," so don't think I
consider myself a little tin god here. Just a personal preference.
--Dwight Decker
Tri-Minh Nguyen
Disney-Mailing List
Message 328 -
1995-12-24 at 22:40:00
Hi you all!
Maybe this question has been asked a lot of times already:
I want to join a mailing list about Walt Disney-Movies. Does anybody
happen to know such a mailing list?
Have a =) day...
++
| Snail Mail: Tri-Minh Nguyen, Strumann-15, 45891 Gelsenkirchen, Germany |
| T-Online: (Email removed) |
++
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Maybe this question has been asked a lot of times already:
I want to join a mailing list about Walt Disney-Movies. Does anybody
happen to know such a mailing list?
Have a =) day...
++
| Snail Mail: Tri-Minh Nguyen, Strumann-15, 45891 Gelsenkirchen, Germany |
| T-Online: (Email removed) |
++
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Mike Pohjola
Merry Christmas!
Message 329 -
1995-12-24 at 22:45:53
ALL, no matter where you are from or what languages you speak:
Merry Xmas!
God jul!
Fröhe Weinachten!
Hyvää joulua!
Puorra juovla!
Glaedelig Jul!
Beztu oskir um gledileg jol!
Häid JoulupÅhi!
Precigus ziemsvetkus!
Linksmu, kaledu svenciu!
S vonym godom!
Joyeux Noel!
Prettige Krestdagen!
Felices Navidad!
Buon Natale!
Feliz Natal!
Karacsonyi udvözlet!
Szczesliwego!
Yeni yilda basart mutlukuk!
Con los mejoros Deseos Para Navidad!
May this Christmas be for you the merriest day of all!
BTW, have you noticed the exceptionally poor quality of this year's Egmont
Christmas present, the comic Pocahontas?! (so to have _some_ Disney stuff
in the mail)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Merry Xmas!
God jul!
Fröhe Weinachten!
Hyvää joulua!
Puorra juovla!
Glaedelig Jul!
Beztu oskir um gledileg jol!
Häid JoulupÅhi!
Precigus ziemsvetkus!
Linksmu, kaledu svenciu!
S vonym godom!
Joyeux Noel!
Prettige Krestdagen!
Felices Navidad!
Buon Natale!
Feliz Natal!
Karacsonyi udvözlet!
Szczesliwego!
Yeni yilda basart mutlukuk!
Con los mejoros Deseos Para Navidad!
May this Christmas be for you the merriest day of all!
BTW, have you noticed the exceptionally poor quality of this year's Egmont
Christmas present, the comic Pocahontas?! (so to have _some_ Disney stuff
in the mail)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Merry Christmas!
Message 330 -
1995-12-25 at 01:18:35
MIKE (and of course EVERYONE):
> ALL, no matter where you are from or what languages you speak:
> (...) Prettige Krestdagen!
Thanks for your wishes. It's nice to see that you also included Dutch.
(One little thing I have to say to you, it's "Prettige Kerstdagen". ;-)
So, being a Dutchman, I wish you all:
"Prettige Kerstdagen en een gelukkig nieuwjaar!"
("Merry christmas and a happy newyear!")
--- Daniel
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> ALL, no matter where you are from or what languages you speak:
> (...) Prettige Krestdagen!
Thanks for your wishes. It's nice to see that you also included Dutch.
(One little thing I have to say to you, it's "Prettige Kerstdagen". ;-)
So, being a Dutchman, I wish you all:
"Prettige Kerstdagen en een gelukkig nieuwjaar!"
("Merry christmas and a happy newyear!")
--- Daniel
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