CAREY:
That Barks christmas story about going to South Pacific appeared
few years ago in Finland in a single album with two other X-mas
related stories by Barks. These two other stories both had a
mention "Firestone Christmas Giveaway" and then the original
publishing year but the story you were after didn't have ay code
whatsoever. Especially since I have the story in a hardcover book
combining the album with another album (it's part of a kind of
comic-of-the-month club) I don't have any idea about the story's
origin.
CHRISTER:
I'm eagerly looking forward to what Don's gonna say about the
reasons why Barks is better than others... Personally to me the
one thing that opened my eyes to see Barks's mastery was a
German book called "Wer ist Carl Barks" by Gottfried Helnwein.
It's a simple book to read even for non-German speaking people
because it mostly contains pictures. It does what basically
should NOT be done: it has a collection of different details
taken out of Barks pages - i.e. there's a section that has
picture's of Donald in different situations, section of Scrooge,
section of villains, section of details... As an amateur artist
myself I was totally awe-struck by the way how Barks really
makes his Ducks LIVE - to breath and just walk out that two-
dimensional page. For example a masterful panel from that
classic story about seeking treasure from that old McDuck
family castle (I just can't remember the original title): Donald
is running really fast when is knocked down by the ghost. You
can really FEEL the momentum of Donald's movement as his head
already touches the floor while his body is still continuing the
movement forwards.
Another example of Barks's total control over his characters: in
a book about the statues based on Barks paintings, the man
himself tells how he made preliminary sketches for the statues:
he just imagined the shape of the Ducks
in his head, added an line going thru in the middle - and then
*just* turned the figure around this axis - IN HIS HEAD! And to
prove this he made six sketches, on different points of the turn.
INCREDIBLE!
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Author
Topic: 199512
(361 messages)
Jyrki Vainio
Christmas story
Message 91 -
1995-12-06 at 23:38:19
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Another memory tickler.
Message 92 -
1995-12-06 at 23:41:12
SIGURDUR:
> In one rather ancient story (Barks s I think), Donald receives a knock
> on the noggin and is instantly transformed into a raving genius.
> He then starts to invent some hyperefficient fuel which he uses to
> thrust himself to the moon (in a home-made rocketship) where he meets
> a rather funny looking alien and promptly starts to chop it into
> little pieces (...)
I think that you're mixing up two Barks-stories:
* WDC 44 "The mad chemist".
Donald gets a knock on his head, invents the gasoline "Duckmite".
This is "the most ghastly explosive ever cooked up by man". He uses
it for a rocket which provides him a journey around the moon.
During the travel he loses the bump on his head (which made him
that inventive) and after his travel he doesn't remember Duckmite,
making a fool of himself and the nephews.
* WDC 93 <mars-race> (no title)
For some reasons Donald joins a rocket-race to Mars (with the
nephews as stowaways), where he meets those funny looking aliens
you were talking about. Barks later remade this story (without
those aliens) for WDC 212, this time the rocket-race is a race
around the world.
I hope this is of help for you.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> In one rather ancient story (Barks s I think), Donald receives a knock
> on the noggin and is instantly transformed into a raving genius.
> He then starts to invent some hyperefficient fuel which he uses to
> thrust himself to the moon (in a home-made rocketship) where he meets
> a rather funny looking alien and promptly starts to chop it into
> little pieces (...)
I think that you're mixing up two Barks-stories:
* WDC 44 "The mad chemist".
Donald gets a knock on his head, invents the gasoline "Duckmite".
This is "the most ghastly explosive ever cooked up by man". He uses
it for a rocket which provides him a journey around the moon.
During the travel he loses the bump on his head (which made him
that inventive) and after his travel he doesn't remember Duckmite,
making a fool of himself and the nephews.
* WDC 93 <mars-race> (no title)
For some reasons Donald joins a rocket-race to Mars (with the
nephews as stowaways), where he meets those funny looking aliens
you were talking about. Barks later remade this story (without
those aliens) for WDC 212, this time the rocket-race is a race
around the world.
I hope this is of help for you.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Female characters
Message 93 -
1995-12-07 at 00:44:18
MELANIE:
>> The fact that I disagree with you about re-using Matilda and
>> Hortensia as regular characters, doesn't mean that I don't like
>> *any* duck-woman appearing as a regular character! You really
>> misunderstood me here.
> Ok, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Huh?
> You had mentioned that using H & M would create three Grandma Ducks.
> I was attempting to point out that this isn't necessarily the case;
> you're assuming they would all three have exactly the same
> personality, experiences and aspirations.
I think that Grandma already has a Hortensia and Matilda in her, there
are stories is which she's just a good old grannie, but she can also be
very angry (which isn't very much the case in the Barks-universe, but
at least one other artist made stories where she's angry and agressive
*almost all the time*!).
So, I would appreciate it more to give Grandma a wider personality
than introducing two more older ladies in the regular Duck-universe.
But if there has to be another interesting old lady than Grandma, my
vote would go to Glittering Goldie. Maybe it would be nice to see her
re-appear in business, so Scrooge would have a competitive who was once
(nearly) his one-time lover (which she in fact *still* is). Scrooge can
be mean to Flintheart in business, but what can he do against Goldie?
> [Having] exactly the same personality, experiences and aspirations.
> That's not true in real life, why should it be for the Ducks?
There are in real life also no extremely lucky people (like Gladstone
Gander) and no people having a bin containing three acres of money (like
Scrooge). There are also no inventors in real life who live just around
the corner, inventing *anything* you could possibly dream of.
We're talking about comics here. All the ducks have an *excerpt* of a
real personality which are a bit overdone (caricatures if you like).
There are no people who are exactly the same as Gladstone, but I think
everyone here knows a person in his/her surroundings who always seem to
have more luck than herself/himself. And for Grandma, I think a lot of
people really have a (grand)mother/father who seems to refuse every new
technology, because "it all also went fine doing it the old way".
(Just ask my grandfather about computers!) ;-)
My opinion is that Daisy functions as a caricature of a woman, a
caricature made by a *man*. You may discuss it, but the duck-world is
in fact a world created mainly by men. (Not that I agree with that.) And
you should hear men talking about their wife/girlfriend sometimes! ;-)
(Which makes me wonder what we would see if a woman would make a
Disney-comic with male characters in a caricatural way. We have some
comics especially for girls here in Holland. I remember that I once
read one and that I got very irritated by the way the boys were
positioned.) ;-)
And for Donald: He is in fact so popular because everyone seems to
recognize a bit of Donald in himself. We all have days that we think
that even *things* are against us! (At least I have.) Donald is in fact
the reader of the comic!
So, the duckworld is in fact holding a mirror in front of the real
world we all live in. And to make it recognizeable for people a writer
sometimes has to overdo some circumstances and/or people.
This is why I think that you can't just compare a duck-personality with
a personaltity in real life. But you *can* make them as close as
possible, Barks and Don did both a very good job in working out the
personality of (for example) Scrooge.
> What possibilities could you see for a younger female Duck--existing
> already in canon, or new?
I don't know. But if she would be a good-looking duck-girl, I think she
would (in that duckworld I just described) *at once* being placed as a
rival for Daisy. This is already very often the case when you see a
another duck-girl than Daisy appear in a comic.
If the girl would be introduced as a friend of Daisy, it is often the
case that they *at once* start back-biting about their boy-friends.
This is not the way I would like to see it (I mean, not nescessarily),
but it is how it happens. Just look at Daisy's women-club in her dairy-
stories, just look at the way Donald behaves when he sees a good-
looking girl walking around.
> The implication still remains that female Ducks, especially older
> ones, have only a limited role in the Duck Universe. That role
> traditionally has been one of spoiler or complication in the Ducks'
> adventures. Which isn't necessarily Disney's fault; it is pervasive
> in the comics' world in general.
The role of women in comic-world has already been discussed on this club
long time ago. As I already tried to explain in this letter, it's a fact
that women get very little and/or minimal roles in the (duck)comics.
It has been discussed here what the reason could be for that. My opinion
is that it is because the comics are mainly made by men. And *of course*
those men gave the most interesting roles to their male characters! ;-)
Maybe a comic is of less interest to the avarage girl/woman? A funny
thing was, that when the role of women was discussed here on the list,
someone asked if there was a woman among the members. At that very time
there was not even one reaction!
Now there *are* women here on the club (which is a good case!), but
still most members are men. No matter what your, mine or someone
else's opinion is about it: It's a fact.
> Don't laugh too hard at the inference, but isn't it interesting how
> older actresses (but not actors) have a tough time finding roles.
That's because men get handsomer when they get older. (OOoops!) ;-)
To be serious: Do you really think so? I don't know, I never thought
about it. I'll pay attention to it, next time I watch television or a
movie.
> I await your detailed rebuttal.
Well, here it is. One of the most difficult letters I ever wrote to the
club. I'm sorry for saying it, but I sometimes get the idea that you
very easily draw a negative conclusion out of my comments.
When I red your reply to my first letter about Hortensia and Matilda, I
got the idea that you were thinking I'm against women or whatever. To
be frankly: It made it very frustrating for me to reply again, because
I got the feeling I had to *defend* myself instead of explaining myself.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
--------------------------------
End of dcomics-d Digest V95 Issue #10
*************************************
>> The fact that I disagree with you about re-using Matilda and
>> Hortensia as regular characters, doesn't mean that I don't like
>> *any* duck-woman appearing as a regular character! You really
>> misunderstood me here.
> Ok, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Huh?
> You had mentioned that using H & M would create three Grandma Ducks.
> I was attempting to point out that this isn't necessarily the case;
> you're assuming they would all three have exactly the same
> personality, experiences and aspirations.
I think that Grandma already has a Hortensia and Matilda in her, there
are stories is which she's just a good old grannie, but she can also be
very angry (which isn't very much the case in the Barks-universe, but
at least one other artist made stories where she's angry and agressive
*almost all the time*!).
So, I would appreciate it more to give Grandma a wider personality
than introducing two more older ladies in the regular Duck-universe.
But if there has to be another interesting old lady than Grandma, my
vote would go to Glittering Goldie. Maybe it would be nice to see her
re-appear in business, so Scrooge would have a competitive who was once
(nearly) his one-time lover (which she in fact *still* is). Scrooge can
be mean to Flintheart in business, but what can he do against Goldie?
> [Having] exactly the same personality, experiences and aspirations.
> That's not true in real life, why should it be for the Ducks?
There are in real life also no extremely lucky people (like Gladstone
Gander) and no people having a bin containing three acres of money (like
Scrooge). There are also no inventors in real life who live just around
the corner, inventing *anything* you could possibly dream of.
We're talking about comics here. All the ducks have an *excerpt* of a
real personality which are a bit overdone (caricatures if you like).
There are no people who are exactly the same as Gladstone, but I think
everyone here knows a person in his/her surroundings who always seem to
have more luck than herself/himself. And for Grandma, I think a lot of
people really have a (grand)mother/father who seems to refuse every new
technology, because "it all also went fine doing it the old way".
(Just ask my grandfather about computers!) ;-)
My opinion is that Daisy functions as a caricature of a woman, a
caricature made by a *man*. You may discuss it, but the duck-world is
in fact a world created mainly by men. (Not that I agree with that.) And
you should hear men talking about their wife/girlfriend sometimes! ;-)
(Which makes me wonder what we would see if a woman would make a
Disney-comic with male characters in a caricatural way. We have some
comics especially for girls here in Holland. I remember that I once
read one and that I got very irritated by the way the boys were
positioned.) ;-)
And for Donald: He is in fact so popular because everyone seems to
recognize a bit of Donald in himself. We all have days that we think
that even *things* are against us! (At least I have.) Donald is in fact
the reader of the comic!
So, the duckworld is in fact holding a mirror in front of the real
world we all live in. And to make it recognizeable for people a writer
sometimes has to overdo some circumstances and/or people.
This is why I think that you can't just compare a duck-personality with
a personaltity in real life. But you *can* make them as close as
possible, Barks and Don did both a very good job in working out the
personality of (for example) Scrooge.
> What possibilities could you see for a younger female Duck--existing
> already in canon, or new?
I don't know. But if she would be a good-looking duck-girl, I think she
would (in that duckworld I just described) *at once* being placed as a
rival for Daisy. This is already very often the case when you see a
another duck-girl than Daisy appear in a comic.
If the girl would be introduced as a friend of Daisy, it is often the
case that they *at once* start back-biting about their boy-friends.
This is not the way I would like to see it (I mean, not nescessarily),
but it is how it happens. Just look at Daisy's women-club in her dairy-
stories, just look at the way Donald behaves when he sees a good-
looking girl walking around.
> The implication still remains that female Ducks, especially older
> ones, have only a limited role in the Duck Universe. That role
> traditionally has been one of spoiler or complication in the Ducks'
> adventures. Which isn't necessarily Disney's fault; it is pervasive
> in the comics' world in general.
The role of women in comic-world has already been discussed on this club
long time ago. As I already tried to explain in this letter, it's a fact
that women get very little and/or minimal roles in the (duck)comics.
It has been discussed here what the reason could be for that. My opinion
is that it is because the comics are mainly made by men. And *of course*
those men gave the most interesting roles to their male characters! ;-)
Maybe a comic is of less interest to the avarage girl/woman? A funny
thing was, that when the role of women was discussed here on the list,
someone asked if there was a woman among the members. At that very time
there was not even one reaction!
Now there *are* women here on the club (which is a good case!), but
still most members are men. No matter what your, mine or someone
else's opinion is about it: It's a fact.
> Don't laugh too hard at the inference, but isn't it interesting how
> older actresses (but not actors) have a tough time finding roles.
That's because men get handsomer when they get older. (OOoops!) ;-)
To be serious: Do you really think so? I don't know, I never thought
about it. I'll pay attention to it, next time I watch television or a
movie.
> I await your detailed rebuttal.
Well, here it is. One of the most difficult letters I ever wrote to the
club. I'm sorry for saying it, but I sometimes get the idea that you
very easily draw a negative conclusion out of my comments.
When I red your reply to my first letter about Hortensia and Matilda, I
got the idea that you were thinking I'm against women or whatever. To
be frankly: It made it very frustrating for me to reply again, because
I got the feeling I had to *defend* myself instead of explaining myself.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
--------------------------------
End of dcomics-d Digest V95 Issue #10
*************************************
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Lots, lots of comments
Message 94 -
1995-12-07 at 02:11:32
BILL & BRIAN:
Welcome here on the Disney Comics club! Maybe you can introduce
yourself some more in your next message?
WES:
>> It's rather traditional in the Disney-universum that there are no
>> parents.
> This is a very interesting observation. Is it accurate? Certainly,
> a lot of the background townspeople have children we can assume are
> their own. But as for the main characters, you may be right -- Lof$
> is an obvious exception.
Yes, I meant the main characters who don't have a parent-relationship.
It think this is because of the freedom it gives the artist, imagine
all the complaints readers would have if Donald was the *father* of
Huey, Dewey and Louie (because of all the war between them)!
HARRY:
> At least Li'l Bad Wolf and Hiawatha have fathers. And Li'l Wolf's
> cousin Izzy has a father (Zeke's brother, whose English name I don't
> know - Dutch is Stef).
Now you've started about L'il Bad Wolf... what's his origin? I know
of the three little bad wolves in that Silly Symphony-cartoon, but
although Li'l Wolf is a look-a-like it doesn't quite explain why he is
*good* instead of bad.
I'm also interested what the very first comic-story was with Li'l Wolf
(maybe there's an explanation in that story?).
DWIGHT:
> I've now been told that an English translation of the scurrilous
> Danish newspaper article attacking Don was sent out in an anonymous
> mass mailing (...) A copy was even sent to the owner of a
> restaurant in Italy where Barks had lunch. Plus -- copies of all of
> Don's negative comments on the Internet. It sounds like somebody is
> really out to ruin Don Rosa.
This all sounds very *sick*! It really makes me wonder who this person
is. First I thought that it might be a reporter needing a story to
write and I admit that it sounds great: "War within Disney Company!"
(Although it doesn't make any sense in this case.)
But which reporter would send a copy of this article to a *restaurant*?
So, this all really makes me think that this attack is *personal*, and
that makes it *even more* sick! >:-(
CHRISTER:
> I'am not skilled in determinating who have done what stories. I only
> can tell of Don's stories, but not even Barks stories do I see is
> Barks when just reading the story. (...) I know that it is not easily
> done to describe a persons way of drawing, lines, plots, scenery etc.,
> but I would very much appreciate if some of you
> gave it a try.
A very good way to recognize Barks is looking at the eyes of his
ducks, because Barks often drew "pointers" in the pupils (if you know
what I mean). Another way to recognize Barks, besides his very good
story-lines, are the many variations in the expressions of the ducks.
(The above could also very well be a description of Don's work, but you
told you already recognize his work. So, I think it won't be very hard
telling Don and Barks apart for you by reading this description.)
Strobl can be very well recognized by the "stiff" expressions of the
ducks. You'll also notice that Strobl *very often* used the expression
"WAK!" with the ducks jumping up. The pupils of Strobl's duck are often
very small. His drawings also have very thin lines, especially when
compared to Barks' work.
Vicar (or his employees) has art that could be very well compared to
Barks to someone who still has problems with recognizing styles, but he
(if I'm not mistaken) doesn't use the "pointers" in the eyes and his
art-lines are also a bit thin. An easy way for a "beginner" to tell
Barks apart from Vicar is the D-code of Vicar's stories.
(There's also artist Daan Jippes, but with him it's *very* difficult to
tell his art apart from Barks. Jippes is well-known for his talent in
copying Barks' art-style!)
There's also another to identify artists and that's by using the
database of Disney-Comics. When a story has a code, you'll only have
look for it in the database and then you'll see the artist credited
(in almost all cases).
JYRKI & CAREY:
This is what the Carl Barks Library (set 6, page 748) says about the
story of Tabu Yama:
Barks drew the story of Tabu Yama [CID 1] to fit a Christmas annual
with a frame tale about Santa Claus taking two children to Disneyland.
As Timmie and Taffy visit each section of the park, Santa reminisces
about one or another Disney character having a holiday adventure.
Various artist contributed these episodes; Barks was asked for a duck
story to accompany the riverboat ride in Adventureland. Though this
ride is to evoke African jungles, Barks set his story in the South
Seas; but this seems not to have bothered his editors, who smoothed
over the matter with a line about "tropical waters and jungles of the
world." The blank corner on the story's last page was filled
with a transitional panel returning us to the frame tale.
(Gosh! This turned out much longer than I initially thought!) ;-)
MELANIE (about Hortensia and Matilda):
>> So, *my* conclusion (though I'm only a reader, not a writer) is that
>> it's not possible to show Hortense and Matilda as regular characters
>> again. (But this doesn't mean I'm "against women" in Disney comics!)
> Nothing is "not possible" if you use your imagination (Rosa
> obviously has). Your stereotyped ideas about female characters,
> though, seem to undermine the sincerity of your last statement here.
The fact that I disagree with you about re-using Matilda and Hortensia
as regular characters, doesn't mean that I don't like *any* duck-
woman appearing as a regular character! You really misunderstood me
here.
So, I'm *not* undermining the sincerity of my statement, I only gave my
opinion on two specific duck-characters (who coincidentaly both happen
to be women).
My "stereotyped ideas about female characters" is a statement *you*
concluded out of my words and I can tell you: Your conclusion is wrong!
Greetings,
--- Daniel
--------------------------------
End of dcomics-d Digest V95 Issue #9
************************************
Welcome here on the Disney Comics club! Maybe you can introduce
yourself some more in your next message?
WES:
>> It's rather traditional in the Disney-universum that there are no
>> parents.
> This is a very interesting observation. Is it accurate? Certainly,
> a lot of the background townspeople have children we can assume are
> their own. But as for the main characters, you may be right -- Lof$
> is an obvious exception.
Yes, I meant the main characters who don't have a parent-relationship.
It think this is because of the freedom it gives the artist, imagine
all the complaints readers would have if Donald was the *father* of
Huey, Dewey and Louie (because of all the war between them)!
HARRY:
> At least Li'l Bad Wolf and Hiawatha have fathers. And Li'l Wolf's
> cousin Izzy has a father (Zeke's brother, whose English name I don't
> know - Dutch is Stef).
Now you've started about L'il Bad Wolf... what's his origin? I know
of the three little bad wolves in that Silly Symphony-cartoon, but
although Li'l Wolf is a look-a-like it doesn't quite explain why he is
*good* instead of bad.
I'm also interested what the very first comic-story was with Li'l Wolf
(maybe there's an explanation in that story?).
DWIGHT:
> I've now been told that an English translation of the scurrilous
> Danish newspaper article attacking Don was sent out in an anonymous
> mass mailing (...) A copy was even sent to the owner of a
> restaurant in Italy where Barks had lunch. Plus -- copies of all of
> Don's negative comments on the Internet. It sounds like somebody is
> really out to ruin Don Rosa.
This all sounds very *sick*! It really makes me wonder who this person
is. First I thought that it might be a reporter needing a story to
write and I admit that it sounds great: "War within Disney Company!"
(Although it doesn't make any sense in this case.)
But which reporter would send a copy of this article to a *restaurant*?
So, this all really makes me think that this attack is *personal*, and
that makes it *even more* sick! >:-(
CHRISTER:
> I'am not skilled in determinating who have done what stories. I only
> can tell of Don's stories, but not even Barks stories do I see is
> Barks when just reading the story. (...) I know that it is not easily
> done to describe a persons way of drawing, lines, plots, scenery etc.,
> but I would very much appreciate if some of you
> gave it a try.
A very good way to recognize Barks is looking at the eyes of his
ducks, because Barks often drew "pointers" in the pupils (if you know
what I mean). Another way to recognize Barks, besides his very good
story-lines, are the many variations in the expressions of the ducks.
(The above could also very well be a description of Don's work, but you
told you already recognize his work. So, I think it won't be very hard
telling Don and Barks apart for you by reading this description.)
Strobl can be very well recognized by the "stiff" expressions of the
ducks. You'll also notice that Strobl *very often* used the expression
"WAK!" with the ducks jumping up. The pupils of Strobl's duck are often
very small. His drawings also have very thin lines, especially when
compared to Barks' work.
Vicar (or his employees) has art that could be very well compared to
Barks to someone who still has problems with recognizing styles, but he
(if I'm not mistaken) doesn't use the "pointers" in the eyes and his
art-lines are also a bit thin. An easy way for a "beginner" to tell
Barks apart from Vicar is the D-code of Vicar's stories.
(There's also artist Daan Jippes, but with him it's *very* difficult to
tell his art apart from Barks. Jippes is well-known for his talent in
copying Barks' art-style!)
There's also another to identify artists and that's by using the
database of Disney-Comics. When a story has a code, you'll only have
look for it in the database and then you'll see the artist credited
(in almost all cases).
JYRKI & CAREY:
This is what the Carl Barks Library (set 6, page 748) says about the
story of Tabu Yama:
Barks drew the story of Tabu Yama [CID 1] to fit a Christmas annual
with a frame tale about Santa Claus taking two children to Disneyland.
As Timmie and Taffy visit each section of the park, Santa reminisces
about one or another Disney character having a holiday adventure.
Various artist contributed these episodes; Barks was asked for a duck
story to accompany the riverboat ride in Adventureland. Though this
ride is to evoke African jungles, Barks set his story in the South
Seas; but this seems not to have bothered his editors, who smoothed
over the matter with a line about "tropical waters and jungles of the
world." The blank corner on the story's last page was filled
with a transitional panel returning us to the frame tale.
(Gosh! This turned out much longer than I initially thought!) ;-)
MELANIE (about Hortensia and Matilda):
>> So, *my* conclusion (though I'm only a reader, not a writer) is that
>> it's not possible to show Hortense and Matilda as regular characters
>> again. (But this doesn't mean I'm "against women" in Disney comics!)
> Nothing is "not possible" if you use your imagination (Rosa
> obviously has). Your stereotyped ideas about female characters,
> though, seem to undermine the sincerity of your last statement here.
The fact that I disagree with you about re-using Matilda and Hortensia
as regular characters, doesn't mean that I don't like *any* duck-
woman appearing as a regular character! You really misunderstood me
here.
So, I'm *not* undermining the sincerity of my statement, I only gave my
opinion on two specific duck-characters (who coincidentaly both happen
to be women).
My "stereotyped ideas about female characters" is a statement *you*
concluded out of my words and I can tell you: Your conclusion is wrong!
Greetings,
--- Daniel
--------------------------------
End of dcomics-d Digest V95 Issue #9
************************************
TKlein28
Reviews and replies
Message 95 -
1995-12-07 at 03:04:21
PER:
The unattributed note at the beginning of Digest #5 was from me -- my
hat is off to you for all the work you do to maintain this list. That digest
was the only one that got scrambled for me.
DWIGHT and ALL:
I just had a chance to read U$Adventures 36, and enjoyed both Scrooge
and Gyro stories. (Gyro was always my favorite Barks character as a child).
Dwight, how did you come to the name "Oldwick"? Is it a literal translation?
Just wondering because there was a town of that name near where I grew up in
northern New Jersey. Yes, using "Whizbang" for all the signs looks pretty
silly, doesn't it? I'm going to have to call John Clark one of these days to
satisfy my own curiosity about that.
DON:
I haven't had a chance to read Disney Giant 3 yet, but I enjoyed seeing
your Superman #1 cover parody. I can't help wondering if someone at Gladstone
showed it to someone at DC for their okay, because DC's lawyers (who are,
after all, Time-Warner lawyers) probably would have said "You can't do that."
When I was on staff there we weren't even allowed to imitate the telescoped
Superman logo OURSELVES, because the lawyers felt it would weaken their
trademark.
Todd Klein
The unattributed note at the beginning of Digest #5 was from me -- my
hat is off to you for all the work you do to maintain this list. That digest
was the only one that got scrambled for me.
DWIGHT and ALL:
I just had a chance to read U$Adventures 36, and enjoyed both Scrooge
and Gyro stories. (Gyro was always my favorite Barks character as a child).
Dwight, how did you come to the name "Oldwick"? Is it a literal translation?
Just wondering because there was a town of that name near where I grew up in
northern New Jersey. Yes, using "Whizbang" for all the signs looks pretty
silly, doesn't it? I'm going to have to call John Clark one of these days to
satisfy my own curiosity about that.
DON:
I haven't had a chance to read Disney Giant 3 yet, but I enjoyed seeing
your Superman #1 cover parody. I can't help wondering if someone at Gladstone
showed it to someone at DC for their okay, because DC's lawyers (who are,
after all, Time-Warner lawyers) probably would have said "You can't do that."
When I was on staff there we weren't even allowed to imitate the telescoped
Superman logo OURSELVES, because the lawyers felt it would weaken their
trademark.
Todd Klein
GaryB98294
Odds & ends
Message 96 -
1995-12-07 at 03:35:36
DWIGHT
I'm not surprised that the article in question was from one of the tabloids.
I understand those rags in the U.S. (National Enquirer, et.al.) already have
computer "editors" scanning the Internet when "stars" and "sports figures" go
online to see what they can ask and catch. Pretty sneaky stuff -- but not
surprsing, eh?
TODD
One DC artist told me years ago that he was going to do a "tribute" cover to
the first issue of Superman and first was told to follow guidelines that
would be laid down very carefully -- then the idea was nixed. He thought, at
the time, that the editor just didn't like the idea -- but later mentioned
that some legal questions were discussed.
But there certainly have been enough of these "appreciation" and "parody"
covers during the last decade (including the DD Mad tribute) that there can't
be all that much wrong with it. But ... when you get lawyers involved ...
Gary Brown
I'm not surprised that the article in question was from one of the tabloids.
I understand those rags in the U.S. (National Enquirer, et.al.) already have
computer "editors" scanning the Internet when "stars" and "sports figures" go
online to see what they can ask and catch. Pretty sneaky stuff -- but not
surprsing, eh?
TODD
One DC artist told me years ago that he was going to do a "tribute" cover to
the first issue of Superman and first was told to follow guidelines that
would be laid down very carefully -- then the idea was nixed. He thought, at
the time, that the editor just didn't like the idea -- but later mentioned
that some legal questions were discussed.
But there certainly have been enough of these "appreciation" and "parody"
covers during the last decade (including the DD Mad tribute) that there can't
be all that much wrong with it. But ... when you get lawyers involved ...
Gary Brown
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Daisy Duck in Comics
Message 97 -
1995-12-07 at 04:16:59
MELANIE:
If you hate the Daisy you are used to seeing in the comics, wait until
The Disney Afternoon premieres "DuckDaze", presumably next year, in which
Daisy Duck is reported to be a "globetrotting reporter." (And HDL take
on separate personalities and looks, such as backwards hats. ACK!)
-Augie
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(Email removed)
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If you hate the Daisy you are used to seeing in the comics, wait until
The Disney Afternoon premieres "DuckDaze", presumably next year, in which
Daisy Duck is reported to be a "globetrotting reporter." (And HDL take
on separate personalities and looks, such as backwards hats. ACK!)
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. Media relations, VR.5 Virtual Storm
(Email removed)
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Augie De Blieck Jr.
Christmas on Bear Mountain
Message 98 -
1995-12-07 at 05:46:36
Thanks again to those who let me know I could find this story reprinted
in CBLDD #8.
Went to my Gladstone-friendly comics shop today and checked out his shelf
of CBL volumes. He had volumes 7, 9, and 11, but not #8. UGH
I would have asked him, but he was little busy. Next time I'm there I'll
have him check the back room for me.
Cross your fingers!
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. Media relations, VR.5 Virtual Storm
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in CBLDD #8.
Went to my Gladstone-friendly comics shop today and checked out his shelf
of CBL volumes. He had volumes 7, 9, and 11, but not #8. UGH
I would have asked him, but he was little busy. Next time I'm there I'll
have him check the back room for me.
Cross your fingers!
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. Media relations, VR.5 Virtual Storm
(Email removed)
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MJDIZ
Do you guys know each other?
Message 99 -
1995-12-07 at 05:51:27
[Dear DComics, please cancel, we thought it was a mailing list we'd get one
e-mail per night not 15-20] Unsubscribe dcomics
e-mail per night not 15-20] Unsubscribe dcomics
David A Gerstein
dcomics-d Digest V95 #9
Message 100 -
1995-12-07 at 06:03:50
DANIEL:
The Barks story you called "Mars-race" is actually about a
race to the moon in the original English version, isn't it? And the
round-the-world version of 1958 has JUST been reprinted in DONALD DUCK
AND MICKEY MOUSE #3, where it's been called "Around the World in
Eighty Minutes".
MELANIE:
Come on, don't dismiss Mickey Mouse's potential! You've read
the great Gottfredson stories of the 1930s, I'm sure. And you're 100%
right that tons of ideology, restrictions, and messages have been
heaped on him since until he's just become a sort of icon.
When I write a Mickey story, I just ignore everything that's
been done to the character since, say, 1940. When Gladstone
eventually uses my Egmont Mickey stories over here (which even Egmont
hasn't published yet, it seems), you'll get to see what my results are
like. You'll have to believe me that when the writer thinks of Mickey
as an impetuous, emotional, and very fallible character, he can be
one. If they could do it in 1938, why not today?
And Michael T. Gilbert and Byron Erickson have both produced
some great "New Breed" MM stories which were the launching point for
what I've tried to do. In fact, Byron has MM stories coming up in
DDMM 5 and WDG 5 both.
Try them, before you conclude that modern Mickey stories can't
be any good. I'm hoping you'll like them!
On another note: I'm glad to have you on this digest and
don't mean to be cliquish at all!
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
The Barks story you called "Mars-race" is actually about a
race to the moon in the original English version, isn't it? And the
round-the-world version of 1958 has JUST been reprinted in DONALD DUCK
AND MICKEY MOUSE #3, where it's been called "Around the World in
Eighty Minutes".
MELANIE:
Come on, don't dismiss Mickey Mouse's potential! You've read
the great Gottfredson stories of the 1930s, I'm sure. And you're 100%
right that tons of ideology, restrictions, and messages have been
heaped on him since until he's just become a sort of icon.
When I write a Mickey story, I just ignore everything that's
been done to the character since, say, 1940. When Gladstone
eventually uses my Egmont Mickey stories over here (which even Egmont
hasn't published yet, it seems), you'll get to see what my results are
like. You'll have to believe me that when the writer thinks of Mickey
as an impetuous, emotional, and very fallible character, he can be
one. If they could do it in 1938, why not today?
And Michael T. Gilbert and Byron Erickson have both produced
some great "New Breed" MM stories which were the launching point for
what I've tried to do. In fact, Byron has MM stories coming up in
DDMM 5 and WDG 5 both.
Try them, before you conclude that modern Mickey stories can't
be any good. I'm hoping you'll like them!
On another note: I'm glad to have you on this digest and
don't mean to be cliquish at all!
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Anders Engwall
Lots, lots of comments
Message 101 -
1995-12-07 at 08:56:37
Daniel van Eijmeren <(Email removed)>:
> I'm also interested what the very first comic-story was with Li'l Wolf
According to our index it was in WDC 52. Art by Carl von Buettner
and story by Chase Craig. Reprinted in WDC 549.
/Anders
> I'm also interested what the very first comic-story was with Li'l Wolf
According to our index it was in WDC 52. Art by Carl von Buettner
and story by Chase Craig. Reprinted in WDC 549.
/Anders
Vrjan Berglund
dcomics-d Digest V95 #8
Message 102 -
1995-12-07 at 14:56:34
Hi!,
Carey Furlong wrote:
>Here are a couple of silly little questions about two non-Barks, Duck
>stories from the 1950s that have been on my mind for years.
> - - - -
>Here's the second one: Does anyone remember a 1950s story in which
>Scrooge, Donald and the boys travel in a small boat to a volcanic
>island in the South Pacific at Christmas time, and get the boat stuck
>in a volcanic vent? (Maybe a large, dormant fumarole?) The boat is
>eventually blown out of the vent by an eruption, with the ducks in it.
The second one is indeed a Barks-story, if my memory serves me well.
It was published in a Dell Giant called Cristmas in Disneyland. I have it as
"Black Pearl Island". You have it in CBL set 6, suppose It´ll be in
CBL-color serie.
Best whishes
Oerjan B
Carey Furlong wrote:
>Here are a couple of silly little questions about two non-Barks, Duck
>stories from the 1950s that have been on my mind for years.
> - - - -
>Here's the second one: Does anyone remember a 1950s story in which
>Scrooge, Donald and the boys travel in a small boat to a volcanic
>island in the South Pacific at Christmas time, and get the boat stuck
>in a volcanic vent? (Maybe a large, dormant fumarole?) The boat is
>eventually blown out of the vent by an eruption, with the ducks in it.
The second one is indeed a Barks-story, if my memory serves me well.
It was published in a Dell Giant called Cristmas in Disneyland. I have it as
"Black Pearl Island". You have it in CBL set 6, suppose It´ll be in
CBL-color serie.
Best whishes
Oerjan B
Jyrki Vainio
Three Grandmas?
Message 103 -
1995-12-07 at 16:08:39
When Byron Erickson (Egmont editor-in-chief) visited Finland he
also commented on creating new characters. He pointed out that
the Disney characters are mostly archetypes Ähow do you spell
it?Å of certain types of people (note: not STEREOtypes). Even so
that in Finland it has become a household tradition to f. ex. to
call someone "lucky as Gladstone". Since the excisting characters
are so strong there's no need for creating new characters with
same personality (i.e. we do't need another inventor since we
have Gyro). But ofcourse there are personality types that are not
presented in the Disney world - especially with female characters,
as said. Byron himself hinted that they would be especially
interested in creating a new villain for Scroge who would have
computers as his *forte*. Well that doesn' entirely fit the
Barksian atmosphere of the 50's, des it?
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
also commented on creating new characters. He pointed out that
the Disney characters are mostly archetypes Ähow do you spell
it?Å of certain types of people (note: not STEREOtypes). Even so
that in Finland it has become a household tradition to f. ex. to
call someone "lucky as Gladstone". Since the excisting characters
are so strong there's no need for creating new characters with
same personality (i.e. we do't need another inventor since we
have Gyro). But ofcourse there are personality types that are not
presented in the Disney world - especially with female characters,
as said. Byron himself hinted that they would be especially
interested in creating a new villain for Scroge who would have
computers as his *forte*. Well that doesn' entirely fit the
Barksian atmosphere of the 50's, des it?
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Deckerd
Reviews and replies
Message 104 -
1995-12-07 at 17:33:30
On Dec 6, 8:04pm, (Email removed) wrote:
> DWIGHT and ALL:
> I just had a chance to read U$Adventures 36...
> Dwight, how did you come to the name "Oldwick"? Is it a
> literal translation?
The name "Oldwick" was used in the Dutch original script, and
since it set up a joke about a neighboring town called "Newwick,"
I left it as is.
> Yes, using "Whizbang" for all the signs looks pretty
> silly, doesn't it? I'm going to have to call John Clark one of
> these days to satisfy my own curiosity about that.
I hate to say it, but "Whizbang" looks better than one or
two of the human letterers Gladstone uses. (I don't mean _you_,
of course.) From what I've seen of overseas comics that used
to have awful human lettering or just plain icky typeset
lettering, Whizbang has been something of a godsend. I just
wish they'd learn about kerning (I wince when I see a "W" and
an "A" together, separated by way too much space).
--Dwight
> DWIGHT and ALL:
> I just had a chance to read U$Adventures 36...
> Dwight, how did you come to the name "Oldwick"? Is it a
> literal translation?
The name "Oldwick" was used in the Dutch original script, and
since it set up a joke about a neighboring town called "Newwick,"
I left it as is.
> Yes, using "Whizbang" for all the signs looks pretty
> silly, doesn't it? I'm going to have to call John Clark one of
> these days to satisfy my own curiosity about that.
I hate to say it, but "Whizbang" looks better than one or
two of the human letterers Gladstone uses. (I don't mean _you_,
of course.) From what I've seen of overseas comics that used
to have awful human lettering or just plain icky typeset
lettering, Whizbang has been something of a godsend. I just
wish they'd learn about kerning (I wince when I see a "W" and
an "A" together, separated by way too much space).
--Dwight
KERSTIN S.DERBAUM
Reply to Harry
Message 105 -
1995-12-07 at 19:47:39
--- Inkommet från VD.POL2 031-667632 95-12-07 18:46
-> IN=dcomics(a)strindberg.ling.uu.se
Hiya, everybody!
And especially:
HARRY:
> No, they have another monthly comic, Donald Amca. It's the size of a
> normal Egmont comic book. You didn't get it yet because it didn't fit
> in the envelope!
So you *have* bough one of those for me, as well?! Excellent! I appreciate
your thoughtfulnes while being on *vacation*! :-) Thanks!
> Please call [Erik Pettersson] back! Not knowing "enough" about Disney
> shouldn't be a reason to unsubscribe!
I've told him so already. If you don't know very much about Disney, but
still wish to learn it, this is the right place! This place is *filled*
with people being experts on one or several topics, so why not ask them
and learn?
And if Erik have left us by now, he's not coming back. But if he's *still*
among us, sitting and laughing at me for being this sentimental, we could t
all send him a message so he wouldn't have *time* to unsubscribe! But, of
course noone would do this because they are so *selfish*. So here's what
*I'd* like to say to him (if you're reading this, Erik, respond to it!):
ERIK PETTERSSON:
*Please* don't unsubscribe! This list wouldn't look the same *without*
you! At least not to *me*. And even if you don't have anything to say (is
that possible?!), then you could learn from us, and ask us stuff so that
you get to know more about it. And after a while you'll be just like us.
It's no reason to unsubscribe, as Harry says, just because you don't think
you're equal to *us*! Why don't you instead tell us *your* opinions about
Rosa's, Barks', Strobl's and William van Horn's work? I *know* you can! So
please *do*! I still haven't heard your opinions about it in *private*!
Tell us!
back to HARRY:
> And the technical Digest problems should have been solved too.
They are, at least on *my* side.
> It's just that I *hate* the name Jack...
Er.. thank you!
> In my family, Jakob (with a K) is a frequent name, and I like that
> name.
I like that name too, but some people are having problems with spelling
our names, so I think that'd be a good solution. But if you (and others)
think they can keep us apart, then I'll go back to _Jakob_ again.
> I don't like it that people with a beautiful name like that are
> called Jack!
Hmm.. maybe not. But since there's *two* of us...
---
_Jakob_ Soederbaum :-)
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"I have only one soda left, señor... But I think
it has been FLAT since the Great War!
Ever since World War TWO?!
CARAMBA! There was ANOTHER one?"
---------------------------------
(Email removed)
-> IN=dcomics(a)strindberg.ling.uu.se
Hiya, everybody!
And especially:
HARRY:
> No, they have another monthly comic, Donald Amca. It's the size of a
> normal Egmont comic book. You didn't get it yet because it didn't fit
> in the envelope!
So you *have* bough one of those for me, as well?! Excellent! I appreciate
your thoughtfulnes while being on *vacation*! :-) Thanks!
> Please call [Erik Pettersson] back! Not knowing "enough" about Disney
> shouldn't be a reason to unsubscribe!
I've told him so already. If you don't know very much about Disney, but
still wish to learn it, this is the right place! This place is *filled*
with people being experts on one or several topics, so why not ask them
and learn?
And if Erik have left us by now, he's not coming back. But if he's *still*
among us, sitting and laughing at me for being this sentimental, we could t
all send him a message so he wouldn't have *time* to unsubscribe! But, of
course noone would do this because they are so *selfish*. So here's what
*I'd* like to say to him (if you're reading this, Erik, respond to it!):
ERIK PETTERSSON:
*Please* don't unsubscribe! This list wouldn't look the same *without*
you! At least not to *me*. And even if you don't have anything to say (is
that possible?!), then you could learn from us, and ask us stuff so that
you get to know more about it. And after a while you'll be just like us.
It's no reason to unsubscribe, as Harry says, just because you don't think
you're equal to *us*! Why don't you instead tell us *your* opinions about
Rosa's, Barks', Strobl's and William van Horn's work? I *know* you can! So
please *do*! I still haven't heard your opinions about it in *private*!
Tell us!
back to HARRY:
> And the technical Digest problems should have been solved too.
They are, at least on *my* side.
> It's just that I *hate* the name Jack...
Er.. thank you!
> In my family, Jakob (with a K) is a frequent name, and I like that
> name.
I like that name too, but some people are having problems with spelling
our names, so I think that'd be a good solution. But if you (and others)
think they can keep us apart, then I'll go back to _Jakob_ again.
> I don't like it that people with a beautiful name like that are
> called Jack!
Hmm.. maybe not. But since there's *two* of us...
---
_Jakob_ Soederbaum :-)
-------------------------------------------------
"I have only one soda left, señor... But I think
it has been FLAT since the Great War!
Ever since World War TWO?!
CARAMBA! There was ANOTHER one?"
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