HARALD:
>JONATHAN
>Floyd Gottfredson died 1987 aged 82.
Thanks for the info! PER, are you noting this for the website page on
Gottfredson? Although, according to there, he would have been only 81.
>"Dietram Duck" (? - a fat cousin of Scrooge and uncle to Donald, who
>loves to visit his family and their fridge, and stays...) is Aries,
>fGa is 1995, and all the rest circles around his "The Guest, Who
>Wouldn't Leave" ((c) Saturday Night Life) qualities.
That's Rumpus McFowl, who has appeared in two Van Horn stories. You can look
them up at
<http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/chars/rumpus.html>. PER
again, are you taking names?
DAN:
I think it should be painfully obvious what probably happened when Goldie
worked at Scrooge's claim! MARCO, could you tell us who Paperetta Ye-Ye is
again? (She was discussed in July, before Dan joined the list.)
WILMER, KRITON, ETC:
Although your "Scrooge's-death-story" ideas are very good, I just can't
bring myself to accept U$ as a dead duck, so to speak. IMHO one of the
greatest charms of Donald, Mickey, Scrooge, and other Disney characters is
their permanence, the feeling that we'll always be able to see Scrooge in
his Bin, Donald working for 30 cents an hour or fighting with Gladstone or
Neighbor Jones, and Gyro inventing things with his Lightbulb Helper. I might
be able to accept a story like yours, though, if at the end it is revealed
that the events never happened, but are simply Donald or Scrooge's
daydream--just like Rosa's "The Duck That Never Was." (BTW, how do you
1967ers explain the Barks JW stories with Scrooge in them from 1971?)
A similar example to this topic was Calvin & Hobbes last year; many people
during the month leading up to the strip's final bow theorized conclusions
about Hobbes "dying" and Calvin growing up, but instead the strip ended on
an "always-another-rainbow" overtone, with C&H sledding off into the
unexplored wilderness, on another of their favorite adventures. That way, we
can assume whenever we want that at this very moment in their own parallel
dimension, our favorite characters are at this very moment doing what they
were always famous for, and the true story of their "last battle" is left to
the imagination, where each reader is free to decide for him/herself how it
"really" happened.
--Jonathan Markoff
Author
Topic: 199611
(342 messages)
Markoff
Various topics
Message 76 -
1996-11-07 at 19:00:34
Merlin Haas
Scrooge's tombstone
Message 77 -
1996-11-07 at 20:37:33
Regarding Wilmer Rivers' ideas on the "end of Scrooge:"
A interesting story idea, except for the wording on the tombstone.
Scrooge would never want to be remembered as "Just a Poor Old Man."
Remember the end of the Barks story by the same name
Donald: "You may not know it, Uncle Scrooge, but your billions are a
pain in the neck. You're only a POOR OLD MAN! Good-bye"
Scrooge: "Bah! Kid talk! NO man is poor who can do what he LIKES to
do ONCE IN A WHILE!"
"And I like to dive around in my money like a porpoise."
"And burrow through it like a gopher!"
"And toss it up and let it hit me on the head!"
Nope, it just wouldn't be fitting. Perhaps a better one would be
"He was tougher than the toughies, and smarter than the smarties. And he
made it square" (from the same story.)
Scrooge would like that.
best -- Merlin Haas
A interesting story idea, except for the wording on the tombstone.
Scrooge would never want to be remembered as "Just a Poor Old Man."
Remember the end of the Barks story by the same name
Donald: "You may not know it, Uncle Scrooge, but your billions are a
pain in the neck. You're only a POOR OLD MAN! Good-bye"
Scrooge: "Bah! Kid talk! NO man is poor who can do what he LIKES to
do ONCE IN A WHILE!"
"And I like to dive around in my money like a porpoise."
"And burrow through it like a gopher!"
"And toss it up and let it hit me on the head!"
Nope, it just wouldn't be fitting. Perhaps a better one would be
"He was tougher than the toughies, and smarter than the smarties. And he
made it square" (from the same story.)
Scrooge would like that.
best -- Merlin Haas
Juergen Gebhardt
HD&L's father revealed
Message 78 -
1996-11-08 at 02:43:35
In Digest V96 #238 Daniel Kenny asked for clues about the identity of HD&L's
father.
During his trip to Germany in 1995 Don Rosa mentioned that all Duck children
have smaller, round eyes that are still separated from their beaks. When they
mature the eyes enlarge and finally reach down to the beak, as is documented
in "The Life of $crooge". Interestingly, Don also stated that the adult HD&L
would never develop these "down-to-the-beak" eyes.
I always thought that that was an important clue. They might have inherited
their eyes from their father who might be related to other adults with round
eyes, like Gladstone Gander or Gus Goose or the Coot family. But when I tried
to confirm this by looking up the family tree in WDC 600 it seemed, although
his face is partly hidden by a bird, that his eyes are of the large down-to-
the-beak type which unfortunately would not support my theory.
Slightly unsatisfied I started looking through my back issues of DER DONALDIST
searching for one of my favorite Rosa pieces, the only picture of the adult
nephews (standing together with the aged Donald and Daisy at $crooge's
tombstone). But instead I stumbled upon a letter by Don in DER DONALDIST 82
which was accompanied by a tentative version of the Duck family tree that
included the year of birth and death of many family members.
AND *** are you all still with me? :-) *** in this version it is clearly
stated that the husband of Donald's sister Della and father of Huey, Dewey
and Louie is the older brother of Daisy Duck!
Well, how about that?
Hey Daisy, whatever happened to your brother?
Keep on ducking!
Juergen Gebhardt
father.
During his trip to Germany in 1995 Don Rosa mentioned that all Duck children
have smaller, round eyes that are still separated from their beaks. When they
mature the eyes enlarge and finally reach down to the beak, as is documented
in "The Life of $crooge". Interestingly, Don also stated that the adult HD&L
would never develop these "down-to-the-beak" eyes.
I always thought that that was an important clue. They might have inherited
their eyes from their father who might be related to other adults with round
eyes, like Gladstone Gander or Gus Goose or the Coot family. But when I tried
to confirm this by looking up the family tree in WDC 600 it seemed, although
his face is partly hidden by a bird, that his eyes are of the large down-to-
the-beak type which unfortunately would not support my theory.
Slightly unsatisfied I started looking through my back issues of DER DONALDIST
searching for one of my favorite Rosa pieces, the only picture of the adult
nephews (standing together with the aged Donald and Daisy at $crooge's
tombstone). But instead I stumbled upon a letter by Don in DER DONALDIST 82
which was accompanied by a tentative version of the Duck family tree that
included the year of birth and death of many family members.
AND *** are you all still with me? :-) *** in this version it is clearly
stated that the husband of Donald's sister Della and father of Huey, Dewey
and Louie is the older brother of Daisy Duck!
Well, how about that?
Hey Daisy, whatever happened to your brother?
Keep on ducking!
Juergen Gebhardt
Don Rosa
And with that...
Message 79 -
1996-11-08 at 05:21:31
Whoops -- I'd almost forgotten to say anything about it... but this is the
weekend that I will be back in the San Francosco - Oakland area again,
already, as a guest at "SUPERCON" at the Oakland Convention Center. In fact,
I leave in just a few hours. Maybe I'll see a few of you there? Otherwise,
I'll be back next Tuesday or so.
weekend that I will be back in the San Francosco - Oakland area again,
already, as a guest at "SUPERCON" at the Oakland Convention Center. In fact,
I leave in just a few hours. Maybe I'll see a few of you there? Otherwise,
I'll be back next Tuesday or so.
Jyrki Vainio
First Mickeys
Message 80 -
1996-11-08 at 11:08:41
Recently I was looking through the second-hand section of a local comic
store and found a Finnish book reproducing the two very first Mickey Mouse
newspaper strip stories. The book was from 1970. Have these stories been
banned afterwards? I remember hearing something like that. And I sure
haven't seen these stories anywere else nor have I ever heard about this
reprint book either. But it's published by our official Disney publisher,
however (called Sanoma osakeyhti? at that time).
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #245
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store and found a Finnish book reproducing the two very first Mickey Mouse
newspaper strip stories. The book was from 1970. Have these stories been
banned afterwards? I remember hearing something like that. And I sure
haven't seen these stories anywere else nor have I ever heard about this
reprint book either. But it's published by our official Disney publisher,
however (called Sanoma osakeyhti? at that time).
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #245
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Ole R. Nielsen
Rota's Time Machine
Message 81 -
1996-11-08 at 12:39:30
DAVE RAWSON about Cavazzano's "Casablanca":
> Boy! I would LOVE to see someone get this into the hands of
> English-language readers. What a delight that would be.
A friend of mine claimed to have read it once. In Sweden of all
places, but there is no mention of it in the Swedish index, so
maybe he's pulling my leg. He claimed however that it was done
in gray tones, which is confirmed by a few panels in Topolino
#2000. It is one of the few stories Giorgio Cavazzano both wrote
and drew, er... scripted and directed?
If there's a chance Gladstone can fit it in, its code is I 1657-A.
Egmont Denmark just published a special - and that's unusal in
itself. It's a 416 page book titled "De glade 80'ere" ["The happy
80'es"] reprinting 18 serials from Danish Anders And & Co. 1983-84.
All of them are Egmont productions, so they have consciously edited
the Barks and Murry ones out, and most of the 10 missing are by
Branca. The ones that made it are not too exciting, I especially
dislike Tello's Mickey stories: they look too much like Murry's
worst. However, as a special treat, two stories yet unpublished in
Denmark are included: both of them 46 pagers from the Time Machine
cycle, and one of them by Marco Rota! Curiously enough none of these
- as far as I can remember - have been published in Denmark at all,
and these are not the first. One of them even has a footnote to the
first chapter, also by Rota, which was published a year or two ago
in Norway, saying: "The Viking Voyage", Time Machine Album no. 1.
In English! Apparently the translator ignored this continuity info
but the letterer dutifully typed it all anyway.
Thank you for keeping us informed on the collecting cards, HARALD
HAVAS. I was very amused to hear Launchpad indeed is an Aquarian.
Refer to my mail of Feb. 5 this year for an accurate prediction! :-)
-- Ole R. Nielsen <(Email removed)>
(please use the above address if you can)
"Suonala encora, Sam!"
> Boy! I would LOVE to see someone get this into the hands of
> English-language readers. What a delight that would be.
A friend of mine claimed to have read it once. In Sweden of all
places, but there is no mention of it in the Swedish index, so
maybe he's pulling my leg. He claimed however that it was done
in gray tones, which is confirmed by a few panels in Topolino
#2000. It is one of the few stories Giorgio Cavazzano both wrote
and drew, er... scripted and directed?
If there's a chance Gladstone can fit it in, its code is I 1657-A.
Egmont Denmark just published a special - and that's unusal in
itself. It's a 416 page book titled "De glade 80'ere" ["The happy
80'es"] reprinting 18 serials from Danish Anders And & Co. 1983-84.
All of them are Egmont productions, so they have consciously edited
the Barks and Murry ones out, and most of the 10 missing are by
Branca. The ones that made it are not too exciting, I especially
dislike Tello's Mickey stories: they look too much like Murry's
worst. However, as a special treat, two stories yet unpublished in
Denmark are included: both of them 46 pagers from the Time Machine
cycle, and one of them by Marco Rota! Curiously enough none of these
- as far as I can remember - have been published in Denmark at all,
and these are not the first. One of them even has a footnote to the
first chapter, also by Rota, which was published a year or two ago
in Norway, saying: "The Viking Voyage", Time Machine Album no. 1.
In English! Apparently the translator ignored this continuity info
but the letterer dutifully typed it all anyway.
Thank you for keeping us informed on the collecting cards, HARALD
HAVAS. I was very amused to hear Launchpad indeed is an Aquarian.
Refer to my mail of Feb. 5 this year for an accurate prediction! :-)
-- Ole R. Nielsen <(Email removed)>
(please use the above address if you can)
"Suonala encora, Sam!"
Harald Havas
Disney comics Digest V96 #245
Message 82 -
1996-11-08 at 14:06:17
DON wrote
>You can't put a talking penguin into a Mickey Mouse story anymore
Yes, but what about the RECENT Egmont "Super-Duck" story with a
talking penguin villain, most probable edited by Byron? (Nag, nag,
nag!) Or is it automatically non-canon to you, since it's a Super-
Duck-story?
JONATHAN
>Thanks for the info! PER, are you noting this for the website page on
>Gottfredson? Although, according to there, he would have been only 81.
There is some inconsitency in the sources, but most agree he was born
1905 not 1906...
What else would you need? I have a computer full of data on Taliaferro
and Gottfredson, and when they did what and where...
HDL's FATHER
In some obscure source I cant name right now, his name was given as
someone "Swan"...
Cheerio!
Harald
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
>You can't put a talking penguin into a Mickey Mouse story anymore
Yes, but what about the RECENT Egmont "Super-Duck" story with a
talking penguin villain, most probable edited by Byron? (Nag, nag,
nag!) Or is it automatically non-canon to you, since it's a Super-
Duck-story?
JONATHAN
>Thanks for the info! PER, are you noting this for the website page on
>Gottfredson? Although, according to there, he would have been only 81.
There is some inconsitency in the sources, but most agree he was born
1905 not 1906...
What else would you need? I have a computer full of data on Taliaferro
and Gottfredson, and when they did what and where...
HDL's FATHER
In some obscure source I cant name right now, his name was given as
someone "Swan"...
Cheerio!
Harald
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
Christer Hanssen
King Scrooget the first
Message 83 -
1996-11-08 at 14:41:24
Marco Barlotti:
"Is that story written by Barks? It does have a Barks flavour."
It is credited in the database with art by Tony Strobl. I wouldn't know if
that is coorect, since I've not read it yet and probably woulnt't have
recognized it either.
~Christer
"Is that story written by Barks? It does have a Barks flavour."
It is credited in the database with art by Tony Strobl. I wouldn't know if
that is coorect, since I've not read it yet and probably woulnt't have
recognized it either.
~Christer
Anders Engwall
King Scrooget the first
Message 84 -
1996-11-08 at 15:24:51
Christer Hanssen:
> Marco Barlotti:
>
> "Is that story written by Barks? It does have a Barks flavour."
>
> It is credited in the database with art by Tony Strobl. I wouldn't know if
> that is coorect, since I've not read it yet and probably woulnt't have
> recognized it either.
It is indeed drawn by Strobl and -- as Marco guessed -- written by Barks.
As for it being reprinted, I'd guess it's a bit controversial. Not
only because of the villain's death but also because in one sequence
the ducks are tricked into drinking a mind-altering potion, which may
be interpreted as a drug reference -- surely a no-no... Which might
explain why it has not had an American reprint since US 145.
---
Anders Engwall
"Alle man står still som en stum fisk, tills vi hittar den knyckta stångkorven!"
> Marco Barlotti:
>
> "Is that story written by Barks? It does have a Barks flavour."
>
> It is credited in the database with art by Tony Strobl. I wouldn't know if
> that is coorect, since I've not read it yet and probably woulnt't have
> recognized it either.
It is indeed drawn by Strobl and -- as Marco guessed -- written by Barks.
As for it being reprinted, I'd guess it's a bit controversial. Not
only because of the villain's death but also because in one sequence
the ducks are tricked into drinking a mind-altering potion, which may
be interpreted as a drug reference -- surely a no-no... Which might
explain why it has not had an American reprint since US 145.
---
Anders Engwall
"Alle man står still som en stum fisk, tills vi hittar den knyckta stångkorven!"
Superpippo
My Disney site
Message 85 -
1996-11-08 at 16:39:13
I'm one of the thousand (?) in the dcomics list, 'causa like the
others I'm a Disney fan (I think one of the fan-atic). In the last month I
developped the idea of a Italian Disney Site (I'm writing from Italy),
'cause we don't have a specific disney site, written in italian. So,...I did it!
If You are interested in it, You can find it at the following address:
http://www.videonet.it/WD
as You know, this is a non-official site and I did it only for fun and only
for fans (like me). If want, in the site You'll find a page for the guests,
so can register Your name in it. This would be form me a test of how much
You like it, so please come and visit it, and if You want, leave Your
comments and hints.
I wish upon a star...
Enrico.
_ _
(*) (*) (.)(.) O O U U # # L'uomo discende dalla scimmia...
/|\ /\ | ^ : e
\___/ \----/ ~ O = la scimmia discende dall'albero!
others I'm a Disney fan (I think one of the fan-atic). In the last month I
developped the idea of a Italian Disney Site (I'm writing from Italy),
'cause we don't have a specific disney site, written in italian. So,...I did it!
If You are interested in it, You can find it at the following address:
http://www.videonet.it/WD
as You know, this is a non-official site and I did it only for fun and only
for fans (like me). If want, in the site You'll find a page for the guests,
so can register Your name in it. This would be form me a test of how much
You like it, so please come and visit it, and if You want, leave Your
comments and hints.
I wish upon a star...
Enrico.
_ _
(*) (*) (.)(.) O O U U # # L'uomo discende dalla scimmia...
/|\ /\ | ^ : e
\___/ \----/ ~ O = la scimmia discende dall'albero!
Marco Barlotti
Cycles of Disney Comics Mailing List - Was G. B. Vico right?
Message 86 -
1996-11-08 at 17:08:57
I joined this Mailing List about one year ago. We were then discussing Don's
ideas of the Duck universe being frozen in the 50's, $crooge being dead in
1967 and so on. I was one of the dubious ones (I remember quoting a chance
that $crooge had took a little bath in the Fountain of Youth...) but I must
admit that afterwards I came to understand Don's ideas.
Now
> MARCO, could you tell us who Paperetta Ye-Ye is
>again? (She was discussed in July, before Dan joined the list.)
>
there is this other matter of Paperetta being (in Scarpa's mind) the
grand-daughter of Glittering Goldie... which at that time let me make some
insinuations on what did really happen between $crooge and Goldie at Agony
Creek...
So are we back at the start?
I remember the old joke about a girl who went with her boy-friend for the
first time in her life at a soccer game. They are late, when they get in the
stadium the match has already begun, and the home team soon afterwards
scores a goal on her left. Then there is the mid-time break. When the match
resumes, after a while the visiting team scores a goal on her left. So she
tells her boy-friend - hey, we might as well go... that's the point we came in!
(Maybe non-Italians won't understand this joke - Italy might be the only
country where people (ugh) go to see movies and enter the cinema when the
movie has already begun!)
What I mean is, I understand that newcomers can't possibly read the old
digests... I didn't do that a year ago! (Although I DID try...) But I am a
little worried that we are getting trapped into repeating over and over the
same arguments. What will happen when Don, kind as he may be, gets bored of
telling again his view of the Ducks world?
I am not saying that we shouldn't discuss settled matters. But maybe on
these we should be... more concise?
I wonder whether any of you know G. B. Vico's ideas of cycles in history...
well, I much more prefer Hegel's dialectic view!
Marco
ideas of the Duck universe being frozen in the 50's, $crooge being dead in
1967 and so on. I was one of the dubious ones (I remember quoting a chance
that $crooge had took a little bath in the Fountain of Youth...) but I must
admit that afterwards I came to understand Don's ideas.
Now
> MARCO, could you tell us who Paperetta Ye-Ye is
>again? (She was discussed in July, before Dan joined the list.)
>
there is this other matter of Paperetta being (in Scarpa's mind) the
grand-daughter of Glittering Goldie... which at that time let me make some
insinuations on what did really happen between $crooge and Goldie at Agony
Creek...
So are we back at the start?
I remember the old joke about a girl who went with her boy-friend for the
first time in her life at a soccer game. They are late, when they get in the
stadium the match has already begun, and the home team soon afterwards
scores a goal on her left. Then there is the mid-time break. When the match
resumes, after a while the visiting team scores a goal on her left. So she
tells her boy-friend - hey, we might as well go... that's the point we came in!
(Maybe non-Italians won't understand this joke - Italy might be the only
country where people (ugh) go to see movies and enter the cinema when the
movie has already begun!)
What I mean is, I understand that newcomers can't possibly read the old
digests... I didn't do that a year ago! (Although I DID try...) But I am a
little worried that we are getting trapped into repeating over and over the
same arguments. What will happen when Don, kind as he may be, gets bored of
telling again his view of the Ducks world?
I am not saying that we shouldn't discuss settled matters. But maybe on
these we should be... more concise?
I wonder whether any of you know G. B. Vico's ideas of cycles in history...
well, I much more prefer Hegel's dialectic view!
Marco
Gary Leach
Disney comics Digest V96 #245
Message 87 -
1996-11-08 at 18:18:53
What info we have shows that Floyd Gottfredson passed away sometime in
1986. My own recollection is that I had just started working for the
company when the news came to us, which would have been in the fall of that
year. A precise date is something we can't seem to pin down, though; so
much for the vaunted Gladstone obituary files.
THE GABNER CORNER
Mr. Gabner, who has successfully convalesced from his last medical
inconvenience, is now hard at work on a 20-page Egmont Scrooge story John
Clark just handed him to rescript, so I guess everyone can look forward to
that. What we here at Gladstone get to look forward to is Gab stalking
around, getting grouchier and grouchier, until the dang thing's finished.
On top of that, I get to bug him about that CrossTalk he promised me. Oh,
the joy!
Gary
****************************
"Frogs? I don't get it."
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1986. My own recollection is that I had just started working for the
company when the news came to us, which would have been in the fall of that
year. A precise date is something we can't seem to pin down, though; so
much for the vaunted Gladstone obituary files.
THE GABNER CORNER
Mr. Gabner, who has successfully convalesced from his last medical
inconvenience, is now hard at work on a 20-page Egmont Scrooge story John
Clark just handed him to rescript, so I guess everyone can look forward to
that. What we here at Gladstone get to look forward to is Gab stalking
around, getting grouchier and grouchier, until the dang thing's finished.
On top of that, I get to bug him about that CrossTalk he promised me. Oh,
the joy!
Gary
****************************
"Frogs? I don't get it."
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Michael Naiman
Index
Message 88 -
1996-11-08 at 19:15:46
Now I see why the Western index cannot be downloaded...it has 1.4 MG and my
printer only has 1.5 MG of RAM Grrrr!!!!
Is there an index to the Junior Woodchucks medals?
printer only has 1.5 MG of RAM Grrrr!!!!
Is there an index to the Junior Woodchucks medals?
Daniel C. Kenny
Digest
Message 89 -
1996-11-08 at 22:34:30
DON:
Sorry If I've been making you repeat yourself. Really, if I do so again (and
this extends to everyone else on the list) just ignore my question, and that
way, I'll know to look it up in the archives.
also, I'd just like to comment. You wrote:"I'll never do the scenes that you
say you wished were included in the Lo$"
PLEASE, don't get the idea that I was dissatisfied with Lo$. I think Lo$ is
PERFECT, surely as good as any piece of fiction (Comic and non-comic) I've ever
read in my life, and I wouldn't want you to change a thing. I was just , you
know, wondering. Now that you've told me though that $crooge and Goldie are
supposed to be kept apart to preserve the mystery, I totally understand. We
can each have our own interpretations (and I know a few of us already have some
pretty interesting interpretations). I'm glad I got that straight. It's so
much of a privelege to get feedback from the person whose work we discuss 99
percent of the time, that sometimes, we can come off as "pushy" in terms of
story ideas. I can't speak for anyone else, but I know in my case, these are
just the random ideas of an excited fan. I hope you never get the impression
that we're DEMANDING you to write x-story. We just wanna know what you think.
JONATHAN
Thanks for letting me know about $crooge and Goldie. No need for Marco to fill
me in. I'll checkthe archives, plus I can already guess what's in there...
GARY LEACH
We've heard quite a bit about this $crooge tombstone picture recently. Any
chance Gladstone could reprint it? I'd really like to see it and while I
know a picture of an older Donald, adult nephews, and $crooge's grave isn't the
standard thing that's published in American Disney comics, I'm sure you would
both please fans and not upset kids by sticking it in the middle of a big
issue. Maybe the $crooge 50th anniversary one?
MERLIN HAAS
I don't think the "smarter than the smarties etc" bit would be good on
$crooge's tombstone, because the saying's been overused to the point of
becoming comical. In fact, in "Return to Plain Awful", Donald actually tells
$crooge "If I've heard that spiel once, I've heard it a thousand times" Also
at the end of that same story, he even mock s $crooge by parallelling "I made
it square" with Plain awful's square qualities.
Still if there is a $crooge death, the best epitaph is still Don's idea:
FORTUNA FAVET FORTIBUS, which was originally written on a picture by Barks that
he sent to some college kids when they made $crooge their mascot. It's more
subtle, and I think more suitable on a tombstone
Dan K
Sorry If I've been making you repeat yourself. Really, if I do so again (and
this extends to everyone else on the list) just ignore my question, and that
way, I'll know to look it up in the archives.
also, I'd just like to comment. You wrote:"I'll never do the scenes that you
say you wished were included in the Lo$"
PLEASE, don't get the idea that I was dissatisfied with Lo$. I think Lo$ is
PERFECT, surely as good as any piece of fiction (Comic and non-comic) I've ever
read in my life, and I wouldn't want you to change a thing. I was just , you
know, wondering. Now that you've told me though that $crooge and Goldie are
supposed to be kept apart to preserve the mystery, I totally understand. We
can each have our own interpretations (and I know a few of us already have some
pretty interesting interpretations). I'm glad I got that straight. It's so
much of a privelege to get feedback from the person whose work we discuss 99
percent of the time, that sometimes, we can come off as "pushy" in terms of
story ideas. I can't speak for anyone else, but I know in my case, these are
just the random ideas of an excited fan. I hope you never get the impression
that we're DEMANDING you to write x-story. We just wanna know what you think.
JONATHAN
Thanks for letting me know about $crooge and Goldie. No need for Marco to fill
me in. I'll checkthe archives, plus I can already guess what's in there...
GARY LEACH
We've heard quite a bit about this $crooge tombstone picture recently. Any
chance Gladstone could reprint it? I'd really like to see it and while I
know a picture of an older Donald, adult nephews, and $crooge's grave isn't the
standard thing that's published in American Disney comics, I'm sure you would
both please fans and not upset kids by sticking it in the middle of a big
issue. Maybe the $crooge 50th anniversary one?
MERLIN HAAS
I don't think the "smarter than the smarties etc" bit would be good on
$crooge's tombstone, because the saying's been overused to the point of
becoming comical. In fact, in "Return to Plain Awful", Donald actually tells
$crooge "If I've heard that spiel once, I've heard it a thousand times" Also
at the end of that same story, he even mock s $crooge by parallelling "I made
it square" with Plain awful's square qualities.
Still if there is a $crooge death, the best epitaph is still Don's idea:
FORTUNA FAVET FORTIBUS, which was originally written on a picture by Barks that
he sent to some college kids when they made $crooge their mascot. It's more
subtle, and I think more suitable on a tombstone
Dan K
Gerstein
Lots of replies
Message 90 -
1996-11-09 at 02:38:54
HARRY:
Maybe I mentioned that I thought YOU were responsible for "Flux"
being in the Dutch version of "Hero 2000"? So I had to spell it RIGHT for
DD 300! And now I find that the original wasn't your doing... oh, well.
(So when DID you meet Mau Heymans for the first time? I thought it was
before "Hero 2000" was first published.)
As pleased as both of us are, of course, we must note that the use
of fans' names in these stories isn't new. Anyone ever read "Ten Seconds
to Mars" by Spicer Willits? :-O
ARTHUR:
Doesn't part of "A Duck's Eye-View of Europe" take place in France?
DISNEY'S BIG-TIME, the new British weekly, will have some Egmont
Mickey, Donald and Scrooge stories in it eventually. And while I don't
care for Bonkers, I've seen perfectly enjoyable Timon and Pumbaa stories
(for instance, in the Dutch Donald Duck weekly!)
DAVE R.:
Is there more than one Red O' Ruckus prowling around in your
stories? In "Tour Du Jour," Red O' Ruckus was the rooster-person, just a
little taller than Donald, who was always grousing and complaining about
something. Not a cardinal, nor a bandleader.
Anyway, it was "Tour Du Jour"'s incarnation of Red that I used in
my recent story, "Blunder Down Under." You'll see it when it's drawn,
natch!
RICH:
Mooseface McElk came after, not before, Neighbor Jones.
Interestingly, Jones makes NO appearances in the Duck stories after
Mooseface moves next door to Barney (in 1946) -- in fact, Jones vanishes
for quite some time starting in 1946, and doesn't reappear until 1954 (and
then, not again until 1961!).
JONATHAN and FRANK:
The incomparable Floyd Gottfredson headed for mouse fairyland way
back in 1985, actually. He lived a pretty full life, lasting long enough
to see virtually all of his most famous stories reprinted here in the
Abbeville Mickey and Goofy books (even if some of them were cut up or
condensed).
*Sigh!* I wish I had met him while he was still alive... he was
even scheduled to have come to the first Disney convention I ever attended,
which was in the summer of 1985... *Sigh*
DON:
"I would NEVER do a story where I show $crooge and Goldie having
any direct contact in the Yukon days."
This... never registered for me. Are you sure you really mentioned
this in a past Digest?
HARALD:
Interesting how quickly Rumpus McFowl is seen as a major figure.
I'll be using Uncle Rumpus sooner or later, but probably later since I'd
like to wait for Van Horn to flesh him out a little more. I don't really
want to accidentally give Uncle Rumpus some traits or characteristics that
Van Horn wouldn't see as being in line with his developing persona.
JYRKI:
Regarding the first two Mickey newspaper stories,
"Lost on a Desert Island" is banned in its complete form (with the
cannibal sequences), but the banning only applies here... you can get the
story in Italy and Germany and Denmark and maybe some other places. Disney
actually reprinted a large chunk of it in their DISNEY ADVENTURES magazine
(the _only_ "classic" Disney comic reprint ever to appear there), and a
smaller piece was in MICKEY MOUSE 244 a few years before that. There was
also the UNCENSORED MOUSE unlicensed-comic, which despite the ban, printed
the entire story.
"Mickey Mouse in Death Valley" is not banned. In fact, Disney was
to have printed it in a hardback album in 1992, and only didn't because
their book-publishing arms couldn't schedule any projects from the Disney
Comics division for the time being. (That changed, but by that time,
Disney Comics were themselves gone.)
WILMER:
Excellent Scrooge-passes-on scenario! If it has to happen, it
would indeed happen like this.
FUNNY ANIMALS DEBATE:
There are two hippo-people who appear in one panel of WDC&S 99
("The Crazy Quiz Show"), and they reappear in a Gyro story I wrote last
year, which maybe I wouldn't have done in light of the current brouhaha.
;-)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
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Maybe I mentioned that I thought YOU were responsible for "Flux"
being in the Dutch version of "Hero 2000"? So I had to spell it RIGHT for
DD 300! And now I find that the original wasn't your doing... oh, well.
(So when DID you meet Mau Heymans for the first time? I thought it was
before "Hero 2000" was first published.)
As pleased as both of us are, of course, we must note that the use
of fans' names in these stories isn't new. Anyone ever read "Ten Seconds
to Mars" by Spicer Willits? :-O
ARTHUR:
Doesn't part of "A Duck's Eye-View of Europe" take place in France?
DISNEY'S BIG-TIME, the new British weekly, will have some Egmont
Mickey, Donald and Scrooge stories in it eventually. And while I don't
care for Bonkers, I've seen perfectly enjoyable Timon and Pumbaa stories
(for instance, in the Dutch Donald Duck weekly!)
DAVE R.:
Is there more than one Red O' Ruckus prowling around in your
stories? In "Tour Du Jour," Red O' Ruckus was the rooster-person, just a
little taller than Donald, who was always grousing and complaining about
something. Not a cardinal, nor a bandleader.
Anyway, it was "Tour Du Jour"'s incarnation of Red that I used in
my recent story, "Blunder Down Under." You'll see it when it's drawn,
natch!
RICH:
Mooseface McElk came after, not before, Neighbor Jones.
Interestingly, Jones makes NO appearances in the Duck stories after
Mooseface moves next door to Barney (in 1946) -- in fact, Jones vanishes
for quite some time starting in 1946, and doesn't reappear until 1954 (and
then, not again until 1961!).
JONATHAN and FRANK:
The incomparable Floyd Gottfredson headed for mouse fairyland way
back in 1985, actually. He lived a pretty full life, lasting long enough
to see virtually all of his most famous stories reprinted here in the
Abbeville Mickey and Goofy books (even if some of them were cut up or
condensed).
*Sigh!* I wish I had met him while he was still alive... he was
even scheduled to have come to the first Disney convention I ever attended,
which was in the summer of 1985... *Sigh*
DON:
"I would NEVER do a story where I show $crooge and Goldie having
any direct contact in the Yukon days."
This... never registered for me. Are you sure you really mentioned
this in a past Digest?
HARALD:
Interesting how quickly Rumpus McFowl is seen as a major figure.
I'll be using Uncle Rumpus sooner or later, but probably later since I'd
like to wait for Van Horn to flesh him out a little more. I don't really
want to accidentally give Uncle Rumpus some traits or characteristics that
Van Horn wouldn't see as being in line with his developing persona.
JYRKI:
Regarding the first two Mickey newspaper stories,
"Lost on a Desert Island" is banned in its complete form (with the
cannibal sequences), but the banning only applies here... you can get the
story in Italy and Germany and Denmark and maybe some other places. Disney
actually reprinted a large chunk of it in their DISNEY ADVENTURES magazine
(the _only_ "classic" Disney comic reprint ever to appear there), and a
smaller piece was in MICKEY MOUSE 244 a few years before that. There was
also the UNCENSORED MOUSE unlicensed-comic, which despite the ban, printed
the entire story.
"Mickey Mouse in Death Valley" is not banned. In fact, Disney was
to have printed it in a hardback album in 1992, and only didn't because
their book-publishing arms couldn't schedule any projects from the Disney
Comics division for the time being. (That changed, but by that time,
Disney Comics were themselves gone.)
WILMER:
Excellent Scrooge-passes-on scenario! If it has to happen, it
would indeed happen like this.
FUNNY ANIMALS DEBATE:
There are two hippo-people who appear in one panel of WDC&S 99
("The Crazy Quiz Show"), and they reappear in a Gyro story I wrote last
year, which maybe I wouldn't have done in light of the current brouhaha.
;-)
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
(Email removed)