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Per-Erik Malmström
Hi!!

NILS:
> **10. Jon Gisle's famous and rightly influential book "Donaldismen" was
> published in ...1973? Does it exist in both Swedish and Danish?

Yes, the book exists in both Swedish,(pocket printed in1976), and in
Danish(hardcover printed in1973)!

NJL:
Thanks for the information about Don Rosa's visit in Norway!

Best regards
Per-Erik
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MARCO BARLOTTI reported:
<<Don announced that he is working on a
Gladstone Glander story where the origin of his luck will be unveiled
(something due to his mother, it seems; so on goes the scandalous disclosure
of the ducks' parents...).>>

What about the Barks story about Gladstone being born under a lucky star?

No, on second thought, getting born IS a form of work, what with that
squalling and everything as you begin to breathe independently...

Scrooge: "...I THOUGHT YOU ALWAYS DEPENDED ON LUCK TO SEE YOU THROUGH!"
Gladstone: "I DO!...LUCKY YOU'RE HERE TO LEND ME FIVE BUCKS!"
Scrooge: "OY-UH!"
-- "DuckTales" episode "Dr Jekyll and Mr McDuck"
Frank Fabian
NILS:

To your little quiz I can contribute the following items:

**4. The man's name was Karl Kroyer, but not with a regular *o*, but with
one of those Danish *o*s with a slash (/) through it. It happened in 1964;
the ship sunk Sept. 14th and was raised Dec. 29/30th. The existence of WDC
104 prevented at least that the whole process could be patented because a
"preliminary description" (WDC 104) already existed.
I know of two magazine articles about this: one published in "Popular
Science", April 1965, pp. 118-119; reprinted in the Carl Barks Library, Set
VIII, Book 3, p. 666 (1983).
The other was published in "Die BASF", the company magazine of German
chemistry company BASF, vol. 15.1965, no. 3, pp. 148-156; reprinted in "Der
Hamburger Donaldist", Nr. 39.1983, pp. 23-25.

**10. "Donaldismen" was to my knowledge published in Oslo in 1973. I don't
know anything about translations.

**9. Duck fanzines:

USA: The Duckburg Times and The Barks Collector. Both seem to have ceased
publication.

Germany: Der Hamburger Donaldist, beginning with Nr. 52 called Der
Donaldist. Still published; latest number is 102. There are / were other
titles in Germany, but none that are IMHO really relevant.

Denmark: Carl Barks & Co. Still existing, I think.

Norway: Donaldisten. Ceased publication in the 70ies, as far as I know.

Sweden: NAFS(k)uriren. Still published, to my knowledge.

Best regards, Frank
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Soeren Krarup Olesen
Marco Barlotti wrote:

> So my question is: why in the world do the Danes resent parrots?
>
> ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> Marco

No, but it isn't the parrot we resent, it's just Gatti's art... ;-)

Soeren
Luna Storta
Hello again,

15th of november is approaching... and so will terminate the Disney
Survey! But there is still time to vote at

http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/home.htm

Here you'll be requested for your nationality, age, sex and your
preferred Disney charachter, your preferred author, your preferred
artist and your preferred story!
If you don't have time, or can't open this page, e-mail me your
preferences and I'll insert them in the DB for you!

Ciao,

Paolo Castagno

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SRoweCanoe
Comics in Disney Adventures Vol 8 #2 December 1997

George of the Jungle "A pit of Pachyderm" JZ336 4pp
by Sergio Aragones (story and art) and Mark Evanier (words)
Mark makes his long delayed Disney return, but this means that George is
now a Disney characther, as it says Disney's George of the Jungle... Sergio
worked on t e movie, it says here.

Recess "Gus's Journal" jz334 5pp
by Paul Germain and oe Ansolabehere, pencils: John Costanza, inks: Dave
Hunt
Anybody heard of this?

Mighty Ducks "Slap Shots" 1p
roger Brown / Cosmo Quartieri and Horaci Ottolini

Timon and Pumbaa "Beauty and the Beasts" JZ 289 1p
Jack Enyart / Quartieri and Ottolini

Bone (c) Jeff Smith 7pp the High Council Begins (reprint of one of the best
comics out)

Steven Rowe - new acclaims are out, my copies should be in "soon", either in
the morning or two weeks...
Francois Willot
Marco Barlotti:

>We must heartily thank Luca Boschi and Fabio Gadducci for making us
>feel **so** important! They have been most kind to us in every
>moment!

I must thank Luca Boschi and Fabio Gadducci, too, for welcoming us. It
was really great to see all the Italian disneyists, all the artists and
writers... We Duck fans are a truly international group of fans!

>Wow! I was shocked when I read this! (And maybe so were Harry, Didier
>and Francois...).

I was very surprised, too. But Marco: you are a "top expert", want it or
not!

>A nice anecdote here deserves mentioning. After the debate, a young
>lady of the press came to us and asked Francois whether he was <the
>youngest French comic artist>.

Eh, that's because I sited near the other artists...

>Of course I was interested mainly in Italian stories, and my
>attention was drawn at first on I TL 1089-B (Pippo e l'Emiro del
>Camelistan, script by Dester, art by Gatti) because I immediately
>noticed that the original 40 pages (in a 3-tier format) were reduced
>to 16 (in a 4-tier format) in issue 4/1979 of ANDERS AND EKSTRA (a
>comic book fom Danemark, if I've understood something of the whole
>affair). Since 3x40=120 while 4x16=64 (half!) I was wondering how
>they managed to do that.

A lot of Italian stories were "reduced" to fit in Anders And Ekstra, I
think. I have some Gatto stories that were cut, too. But not that much
though... 120 to 64 rows, that's really a lot.

Speaking of Italian stuff, I just saw the replacement of panels by
Perego in the Bottaro story (Archimede Pitagorico e il signor Scherzo).
The drawings are undoubtedly by him, and that's very strange: how would
Perego make drawings for Germany? Or maybe Perego did that for Italy,
and *then* Mondadori decided that they could use the original Bottaro
panels after all????? Does anyone have an explanation?

Second strange thing: this story is supposed to be a 40-pages story, but
it has only 38 pages in France.

About Bottaro: did anyone notice that some drawings in TL 342 (Il
Fantasma conteso) are virtually identical to the Barks drawings in WDC
214?

Francois
(Discovering things...)

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Mikko Aittola
This morning (Thursday) Don was interviewed on two national
TV-channels in Finland. (I missed the first interview though, so I
can't be 100% sure about that...)

/Mikko, just keeping ya informed...
Klaus Harms
Hi Folks,

>From: Frank Fabian <(Email removed)>
>**9. Duck fanzines: Germany: Der Hamburger Donaldist [...] Der
>Donaldist. Still published; latest number is 102. There are / were
>other titles in Germany, but none that are IMHO really relevant.

At least one other title is worth to be mentioned IMHO: It's DUCK 2000,
#1-#5 (1989 - 1991 (?)), edited and published by Klaus Bohn (#6 is
constantly announced to be published soon for at least two years, but
hasn't reached me yet).
The series is founded as a biography of Donald Duck, doing close and
very detailed research on the early Carl Barks Duck reports that are
evaluated chronologically (#1-4). Very important stuff, enjoyble also.
#5 has a massive and detailed bibliography on the science of donaldism
(a later reformatted republication of #5 was "Der Bcherdonald").
All Duck 2000 issues are sold out, however.

That's all Folks

Klaus
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Søren Krarup Olesen
Francois Willot wrote:

> About Bottaro: did anyone notice that some drawings in TL 342 (Il
> Fantasma conteso) are virtually identical to the Barks drawings in WDC
>
> 214?
>
> Francois
> (Discovering things...)

You surely are...!
I always knew that Bottaro was inspired by Barks but
this is utterly too much. I don't know how that compares
to the Rosa-Strobl incident, however, no...please...no...
I am such a great fan of Bottaro - he was perhaps the most
important Italian artist in early sixties.
What might be added as an excuse is the fact that the
Barks story is bad and the Bottaro is so great, and
furthermore Bottaro showed that he had the potential
of making complex adventures that had the sense of
'magnifisense' - like cinema movies compared to
TV-movies. Like moving from TV-screen to
Cinemascope without changing the script...
Like I use to do on such.....em.....occasions I have
put an example of the Bottaro/Barks story on

http://www.kom.auc.dk/~sko/jumbo/botbark.gif

=Soeren
Nils Helge Karstad
Hi!

I just want to quote an article from the Norwegian newspaper Vaart Land:

"Geir Hasnes, one of the most important donaldists in Norway, know what he means: The court in Duckburg, Donald's
hometown, is really bad; the criminals don't get fair/just punishments, and the lawyers are villains who announces
that crime does pay.
Therefore is it wise to warn kids from reading the comic, says Hasnes, who has read Donald Duck for 37 years without
finding any just judge or honest lawyer.

As examples he uses the laws in Only A Poor Old Man, the lawyer in The Golden Helmet, the law about round objects in
Lost in Andes and the fact that the police never tries to arrest Magica.

He also tries to explain why Carl Barks was so tendentious tendensi s when he writes about lawyers and judges. He
says it can have something to do with Barks' divorce in 1951.
He felt that he was treated unfair, and that he got it out in his work.

I quote the end of the article:

-Has the situation changed?
-No, todays stories are mostly rip-offs of old Barks stories.

I hope I have translated it correct.

I want some comments on this article

JO

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Søren Krarup Olesen
Brix Lichtenberg wrote:

> SOEREN:
> Interested in another piece of offending replacement with new Perego
> art?

Hillou.

I honestly think that I am content with Perego-"art"
put in anywhere anytime.

Anyway, many of your examples are from the 'old times'.
I have seen much more violent scenes than BB
just using machineguns or whatever, lately...

It's funny, but I actually *liked* the basket with eggs.
You know, I was no more than 10 years old or so
when I read the story, and I always thought it was so
impressing with all that smoke coming from the eggs, but
you know...

I still find the use of rotten eggs more Disney comics like
than the use of tear gas, and Chierchine has indeed put forward
a couple of violent scenes from time to time - it fits his style
somehow...

I thought that those fill-in Perego's was to
complete the *format* of the Danish pocket books, I never
thought of censoring.

Does anyone on the mailing list knows who do
the censoring, how do they base their jugdement,
does it still take place????????

=Soeren
Pedersen, Bent
Hi!

>**7. I invite fellow Scandinavians to contribute what could presumably
>be "Barksian catch phrases"

I would like to mention the word "Langbortistan" which was introduced
by the Danish translator. I am not sure if the word was first used in
a Barks story, but it's definately from Anders And. BTW, Langbortistan
is used when you want to stress that a country is FAR away.

Joakim von And, Georg Gearl=F8s and F=E6tter H=F8jben are names commonly
used to describe a person. And recently on national TV, some writer
talked about the importance of getting in touch with your "inner
Donald Duck". :)

>**10. Jon Gisle's famous and rightly influential book "Donaldismen"
> was published in ...1973? Does it exist in both Swedish and Danish?
> Any ideas about sales figures?=20

The Danish translation is called "Andelogien" - IMHO a fair
translation of a hard-to-translate term. It was translated by Freddy
Milton and published in 1979 (6 years late) by Runepress (now
defunct).

/Bent Pedersen

-- It's a Bentriloquist thing...
Marco Barlotti
Harry Fluks has come to Italy with lots of spare comic books from Holland
and Danemark (thanks, Ole! ;-)) and I've begun my comparative studies in
Disney Comics.
Of course I was interested mainly in Italian stories, and my attention was
drawn at first on I TL 1089-B (Pippo e l'Emiro del Camelistan, script by
Dester, art by Gatti) because I immediately noticed that the original 40
pages (in a 3-tier format) were reduced to 16 (in a 4-tier format) in issue
4/1979 of ANDERS AND EKSTRA (a comic book fom Danemark, if I've understood
something of the whole affair). Since 3x40=120 while 4x16=64 (half!) I was
wondering how they managed to do that.

Well, you can imagine. The story was heavily cut, and that maybe was not
**so** bad after all because neither plot nor art were very good. But one
thing surprised me. In this story, Goofy is a dry-cleaner with a Parrot as
helper-factotum. Well, the parrot was completely erased from every panel.

So my question is: why in the world do the Danes resent parrots?

;-) ;-) ;-)

Marco
Geir J. Netland
At 22:23 06.11.97 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi!
JO:
I also read that article, and fear nothing my friend, your translation was
good!

>"Geir Hasnes, one of the most important donaldists in Norway, knows what
he means: The court in Duckburg, Donald's
>hometown, is really bad; the criminals don't get fair/just punishments,
and >the lawyers are villains who announces that crime does pay.
>Therefore is it wise to warn kids from reading the comic, says Hasnes, who
has read Donald Duck for 37 years without
>finding any just judge or honest lawyer.?

I sure do HOPE that Geir Hasnes said this to be ironic.....
If this is not the case, I suspect it's just a way of drawing attention to
himself.
What's sad is that Vaart Land is a serious paper, and people may take
him seriously no matter what his intentions were...

When it comes to Barks joking with lawyers, I've heard several times that
he doesn't like them very much....so I don't think that was news to all of
us..

PS! Some years ago there was an article in VG or Dagbladet telling about
all the sex going on in Duckburg...also a Geir Hasnes idea....

Vennlig hilsen/Greetings from
Geir J. Netland
http://www.misjonshs.no/~geinet/
Norsk: http://www.misjonshs.no/~geinet/indexno.html
phone: +4791116864
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