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Hello everybody,

MARCO (about the Catholic Church censorship):

May be that the main reason for boycot Topolino during the 50ties wasn't
the will to sell "Il Vittorioso", but, IMHO, because in Topolino in that
period appeared a lot of stories from Guido Martina in which were
proposed (expecially in the ones with the Ducks) several panels with
scenes of violence: think to some Chierchini's early stories: each time
Donald meets Scrooge there is an heavy fight (and sometime with
medioeval weapond appearing from nowhere... ).
In my opinion these were great stories, that were reflecting the real
situation of italin society, with deep class conflict, with Scrooge
playing the capitalist and Donald as a proletarian.
This kind of things could never be acceppted by italian catholic churc,
who was supporting the NATO-oriented government in Italy.

NILS LID HJORT (about how much expansive is a Barks Comic Book):

Well, mybe it is not due to the Barks story included in it, but the
italian comic Topolino #1 (1949) in which is reprinted "Zio Paperone e
il segreto del vecchio castello" (W OS 189-00 - The Old Castle's
Secret) is valued about 2.500.000 lire... something like 1.500$ or 1292
Euro - That's for you, Marco! ;-)

FRANCOIS (about the Lucca meeting):
>...we duck fans....

Hey, There was a MOUSE fan, too!!!! ;-)

Ciao,

Paolo Castagno alias Luna Storta
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/home.htm

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Nils Lid Hjort:

>Info needed:
>**6. Did Norwegian zillionaire and shipping magnate Fred. Olsen (who owns TIMEX
>and hundred other companies and probably also Bill Gates) really read WDC&S #1
>in 1940?

I seem to remember Fred. Olsen saying so on the TV. I thought I had it on
video, but I can't seem to find it.

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NILS KARSTAD quoted GEIR HASNES as saying:

<<Therefore is it wise to warn kids from reading the comic, says Hasnes, =
who has read Donald Duck for 37 years without
finding any just judge or honest lawyer. As examples he uses the laws in
Only A Poor Old Man, the lawyer in The Golden Helmet, the law about round
objects in
Lost in Andes and the fact that the police never tries to arrest Magica>>

Three of these four examples can be explained by means other than appealing
to "dishonest judges" and "dishonest lawyers." The law in "Only a Poor Old
Man" is simply a law that the BB's exploit for their own benefit. The law
about round objects in "Lost in The Andes" is a cultural "quirk" that trips
up the ducks. The police may have difficulty arresting Magica when she uses
sorcery because there is no tangible evidence linking her to it. (When she
actually steals the dime, of course, is another story.)

I won't argue Lawyer Sharkey, nor the numerous gags about "rehabilitating"
the BB's, but I think that Hasnes could have used MUCH better examples than
this. (Say, the judge who takes out his personal frustrations on Donald by
ordering him to clean up all the trash on the highway...)

<<-No, todays stories are mostly rip-offs of old Barks stories.>>

To say the least, a serious overstatement. Talk about someone who sounds
sour about the current state of affairs... :-{

MARCO BARLOTTI suggested:
<<May be that the main reason for boycot Topolino during the 50ties wasn't
the will to sell "Il Vittorioso", but, IMHO, because in Topolino in that
period appeared a lot of stories from Guido Martina...
In my opinion these were great stories, that were reflecting the real
situation of italin society, with deep class conflict, with Scrooge
playing the capitalist and Donald as a proletarian.
This kind of things could never be acceppted by italian catholic churc,
who was supporting the NATO-oriented government in Italy.>>

I thought you said that the Church advised TOPOLINO to be read "with adult
guidance"? Is that the same thing as outright censorship or boycott?

-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"I DECLARE YOU DUCK AND WIFE...COURT ADJOURNED!" -- Judge B. Fair to Scrooge
and Ma Beagle, "DuckTales" episode "The Bride Wore Stripes"

Danish TV Saturday had an all-night comics special (the second after
Jakob Stegelman had a hit last year or so.) It had the ususal inter-
biew with Barks about his oils - possibly Danish TVs only own
production. Also there were interviews with some of the partici-
pants in Egmont's big 'party' in October.

To name a few: Rota, Vicar, Ferioli, and Nunez (a lady, it turned out)
and not least of all Byron Erickson, who told how a story was done.
As a casual example he had picked "Fantasy Island".
Not that any of them said much, but it was funny to see some of the
people, whose stories I enjoy so much. Nunez is a person, who hasn't
been discussed here before, but she draws some fine Beagle Boys - in
fact she was one of the few artists I mentioned as my favorites in
a letter to Egmont a few years ago.

Other parts of the theme-night dealt with Mik's Ferd'nand, Batman
and a short history of comics. It lasted four-and-a-half hour and
ended with the Crumb biography.
Sadly the channel is known as 'The Secret Channel' because they
usually only have 1% of the viewers - some 60,000 people.

Ole

Mads/Geir:

> I will add that I
>have been misquoted a number of times by journalists, and I'm not amused
>when I hear that these quotations are spread over the net."

I am glad to hear that this were misquotations!
And if you meant ME when talking about "quotations are spread over the net",
I ask you to forgive me for THAT!
Vennlig hilsen/Greetings from
Geir J. Netland
http://www.misjonshs.no/~geinet/
Norsk: http://www.misjonshs.no/~geinet/indexno.html
phone: +4791116864
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Hi, everyone!

I'm back from my 2-week trip to Italy, and I had a wonderful time!
I'm sure other people have reported (or will report) on the Lucca
convention, but since I haven't had the time yet to read all the
mailing list mail, I'll just give my own experiences here.
(Anyone not interested: skip the next 110 lines!)

I left Holland on Monday, October 27. In my baggage were some Dutch
books to show to other people, and a box full of Dutch and Danish
comic books, as a kind of trading material. I got the Danish comics by
mail from Ole R. Nielsen some time ago. I kept 1/3rd of them (with the
most interesting material) myself. The rest was excellent trading
material. Especially Alberto Becattini got a big pile of them!

In Germany, I got the current Micky Maus weekly, and to my surprise,
the W.H.A.D.A.L.E.O.G.O.R.I. story (by Don Rosa) was in there. A nice way
to start my holiday!

Arriving in Firenze (Florence) on Wednesday, I was welcomed most
heartily by Marco Barlotti and his family. I got to see a lot of
the city and its surroundings, but most importantly Marco's impressive
Disney comics collection.
I had a wonderful dinner at Marco's. BTW, Marco: my sister confirms that she
has never eaten a "cactus figue". I have! Hah! 8-)
Thanks again for your hospitality, Marco!

Friday, Didier Ghez joined me for a ride from Firenze to Pisa. Since
we passed by Lucca, we first went to the convention. There we discovered
that we were mentioned in the official convention program! We were
treated as "special guests", which was very kind of the organisation!
It was very nice to meet Luca Boschi, Leonardo Gori, Fabio Gadducci, Frank
Stajano and Alberto Becattini, and several other famous (and less famous)
people.
BTW, most of the time of the day was spent by having lunch and dinner...
When we arrived at our hotel in Pisa late at night, Francois Willot
was already there. We spent one more hour exchanging thoughts and
comics.

Since our (Didier, Francois and me) talks during breakfast were long, and
the way out of Pisa was not easy, we arrived quite late in Lucca on
Saturday. We split for lunch, and I had lunch with Carlo Chendi,
Alberto and Didier.
Don Rosa had arrived, and we "guarded" him through the fair ("No, Don
will do no drawings today, only signatures"). It was a quite strange
experience, walking with a celebrity, while people around us whispered
"that's Don Rosa!"...
Later that day I briefly saw Benassi Miroslav, or Miroslav Benassi
(we still haven't figured out the right order of his name yet...).

We went for dinner in a place in Lucca where Don had been 2 years
ago (as showed the drawings on the wall). We met Neil Gaiman and some
other people there, and so they joined us.
We had to leave dinner early, because the evening ceremony started at
9 o'clock. Since Don and Alberto were jury members, we *had* to be
there in time. The evening ceremony was recorded for a commercial
TV station. There were some awards to be handed out (a.o. to Marco
Rota) and we saw some videos of Carl Barks and Franco Fossati, and
a few cartoons.

Sunday was Don's drawing and interview day, so he was very busy with that.
I (finally) took the time to *really* go through the fair, enjoy all the
Italian comic books, and buy a few. There are really a *lot* of
Disney comics in Italy, and also a lot of excellent books *about*
Disney comics!

Sunday afternoon was the meeting of the Mailing List members. As I said,
we were mentioned in the convention program. We all sat behind a table:
Fabio, Don, Marco Rota, Francois, me, Alberto, Gianfranco Goria, Luca Boschi,
Didier, and Marco. Unfortunately, Lidia Canatella could not come.
The audience could ask questions, and of course, most questions were
directed to Rosa and Rota. After the session we met Paolo Castagno,
but he was not feeling very well, and so we saw him only very briefly.
Leonardo and Frank arrived late, and had to leave early, so there
was no opportunity for a real "mailing list meeting"...

Some of us went to the Cavazzano exhibition, which was in a church in
the town. I'm still disappointed that Marco didn't trust my sense of
direction... 8-)
The book "The art of Cavazzano" was as wonderful as the exhibition, but
at first I forgot to buy it! If Didier hadn't given me a copy, I would
have missed it (thanks again, Didier!). Frank Stajano's web site text
was put in the book literally, and Marco Barlotti was mentioned for his
contributions. Even I was mentioned (though slightly misspelled) in that
book!

Since most people were gone on Sunday night, we had a nice little dinner:
Didier, Francois, Don and me.

So far for the Lucca fair. But Don Rosa was in Italy for two more days,
and on Monday he was invited to have dinner in the restaurant "U Giancu",
in Rapallo, a 2-hour ride from Lucca. Of course I volunteered to get Don
and Fabio there, and I could have dinner with them! Apart from some
personal friends of the restaurant owner, noone was in the restaurant,
because it was closed for this special occasion!
We had a wonderful dinner, good discussions, and some drawings for
desert. 8-)
And they were even playing my favourite music (Mike Oldfield)!

On Tuesday I went to Siena, and on Wednesday I saw a bit more of Pisa.
Fabio once again invited me to have dinner, this time with Dez Skinn (a
famous English publisher, though I had never heard of him before 8-),
Simona, and another lady whose name I forgot.

Since the rain was not leaving Italy, I was. So I spent another night
in Germany (no Rosa in this week's Micky Maus..) and I was back home
last Friday, ready to answer a big pile of e-mail...

Thanks again, everyone, for this wonderful holiday trip! I made some
photographs, which can be seen on my web site:

http://www.pi.net/~fluks4/disney.htm

You can also see there a few pictures from earlier this year, when Dave
Rawson visited Holland.

--Harry.
"My English is terrific!"
(Someone in Lucca, meaning that his English was terrible... 8-)
(Which was not the case, BTW.)

FRAN=C7OIS:

(what a shame that I only saw you for about 2*30 seconds in Lucca!)

>A long time ago, someone was talking about Ferdinand the Bull (as a
>cartoon character). I have to say that there is at least one *story*
>featuring Ferdinand the Bull: "Ferdinand the Bull and the Robbers"
>(Treasury of Classic Tales Sunday Pages, Jan. 2-Mar. 6, 1983). Unless

There is also at least another one, written and drawn by Scarpa, set in
Venice:

VENEZIA E I TESORI DE' PAPERONI, TL 1524-5 (10 & 17 Feb 1985).

In this story, Ferdinand lives in Grandma Duck's farm and Donald stages=
a
"corrida" with him, pretending that he is a ferocious bull.

For Marco: I see that you have question marks for this story, so:

.../tutti a Venezia per il Carnevale/Paperino, Gastone, Ferdinando,
Bassotti, Nonna Papera, Paperone, Archimede, Paperina.

For the true amateurs: the pencil drawing in the last page of the Quart=
et's
Blue Book on Scarpa (see http://www.orl.co.uk/~fms/disney/scarpa/ or
http://www.orl.co.uk/~fms/disney/quartet/ ), with a special submarine
sucking mud from Venice's canals, was clearly inspired by a panel from =
this
story.

Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.orl.co.uk/~fms/