It's the time of the year when I send out list membership statistics.
I think these figures say less and less each year, as it's harder and
harder to guess where people are located from their email addresses.
But anyway, here it is:
List memberships at the turn of the year.
I've listed all the subscribers to the Disney comics mailing list,
both non-digest and digest subscribers. When there are identical
addresses subscribing to both forms of the list, one of them has been
excluded from the statistics.
I've listed all top domains which has at least a subscriber or had at
least one subscriber one year ago, and also most subdomains with more
than one address. The numbers inside {curly brackets} are from a year
ago.
Note that the information comes only from the domains of the
addresses; people might be located somewhere else in the real world.
Note also that there is at least one "exploder address" on the list,
where mail is forwarded so other people can read it as well, so there
may be other readers than those here accounted for.
* Non-geographic
178 COM {136} = Commercial (AOL 45 {32}, Hotmail 44 {17},
Compuserve 9 {10}, Telia 6 {7},
Yahoo 3 {2}, many with 2)
50 NET {49} = Network (USA 6 {7}, Worldnet.ATT 5 {6},
Softhome 3, PI 2 {4}, IBM 2 {2},
C2I 2, Magick 2)
28 EDU {35} = Education (CNG 3, Wednet 2 {2}, UFL 2)
9 ORG {4} = Organization (Brattleboro.Vegs.Together 4)
-------
265 {224} Non-geographic, total
* Europe
39 DE {32} = Germany (Ehapa 6 {3}, T-Online 2 {5}, GMX 2)
38 FI {44} = Finland (HUT 4 {6}, JYU 4 {4}, Helsinki 4 {4},
SCI 2 {3}, Clinet 2, Helsinkimedia 2, UTU 2)
36 NO {40} = Norway (UIO 8 {6}, Online 6 {7}, NTNU 4 {6},
Newmedia 2)
34 IT {24} = Italy (TIN 5 {2}, Flashnet 3, INIFI 2, IOL 2 {2})
28 SE {24} = Sweden (Swipnet 11 {3}, UU 2 {4}, Algonet 2 {2},
KTH 2 {2})
19 DK {14} = Denmark (Tele 4 {3}, Get2Net 3, AAU 2)
12 NL {8} = Netherlands (WXS 3)
7 FR {5} = France (Club-Internet 2 {2})
5 UK {4} = UK (CO 3 {3}, AC 2)
4 GR {5} = Greece
3 AT {2} = Austria (AC 2 {2})
2 CH {1} = Switzerland
1 ES {4} = Spain
1 IS {2} = Iceland
1 LU {2} = Luxembourg
1 LV {1} = Latvia
1 CZ {0} = Czech Republic
0 BE {1} = Belgium
0 HR {1} = Croatia
0 SU {1} = "Soviet Union" (actually probably Russia)
------
232 {215} Europe, total
* North America
7 US {10} = USA (CC.CA 2, VA 2)
1 GOV {1} = USA, Government
0 MIL {1} = USA, Military
5 CA {6} = Canada (AB 2 {2})
-------
13 {18} North America, total
But note that mostly non-geographic addresses are used in the USA!
* South and Central America
9 BR {8} = Brazil (COM 7 {6})
1 AR {2} = Argentina
1 CL {1} = Chile
1 PE {1} = Peru
0 VE {3} = Venezuela
1 MX {1} = Mexico
------
13 {16} South and Central America, total
* Asia
2 JP {3} = Japan
2 KR {1} = South Korea
1 CN {2} = China
1 ID {2} = Indonesia
1 IN {2} = India
1 HK {1} = Hong Kong
1 PK {1} = Pakistan
1 AE {0} = United Arab Emirates
1 LB {0} = Lebanon
1 SG {0} = Singapore
0 IR {0} = Iran
------
12 {12} Asia, total
* Oceania
8 AU {10} = Australia (COM 4 {5}, EDU 3)
2 NZ {2} = New Zealand (CO 2 {2})
1 NU {0} = Niue
------
11 {12} Oceania, total
* Africa
1 ZA {2} = South Africa
1 EG {0} = Egypt
------
2 {2} Africa, total
---------------------------------------------------
548 {499} Grand total
--
Per Starback <(Email removed)> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
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Author
Topic: 199901
(170 messages)
Per Starback
It's the time of the year...
Message 1 -
1999-01-01 at 13:04:23
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #304
Message 2 -
1999-01-01 at 14:01:38
PER:
> 4 GR {5} = Greece
Let's see now: Archontis, George, Dionysis who joined recently, and me,
this makes four. Who's the fifth greek lurking in the list? Could it be
the editors of Komix, by any chance? They certainly seem to be aware of
the list.
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Paranoia is just another word for a heightened appreciation of how badly the
universe wants to get you."
-----
> 4 GR {5} = Greece
Let's see now: Archontis, George, Dionysis who joined recently, and me,
this makes four. Who's the fifth greek lurking in the list? Could it be
the editors of Komix, by any chance? They certainly seem to be aware of
the list.
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Paranoia is just another word for a heightened appreciation of how badly the
universe wants to get you."
-----
Vidar Svendsen
Sacrilege!
Message 3 -
1999-01-01 at 15:10:41
I'd just like to inform everybody that I'll go to Oslo for two weeks
on Sunday to do some studying.
Kriton Kyrimis
At 23:06 31.12.98 +0300, you wrote:
>snowglobe. However... the premium in the first of the two issues was
>*glued* to the inside of the comic book, with the glue soaking through
>THIS IS SACRILEGE! I understand that premiums help promote the
AMEN!
>I'm off to enjoy Don's art now. I hope I'll soon be able to read
>the story in a language I understand. (Let's see now: "cowboy" means
>cowboy, "kaptajnen" means captain, "p=E5" means of, "Cutty Sark" means
>Cutty Sark, how hard can it be?...)
actually "kaptajnEN" means "THE captain" and "p=E5" means "on".
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers=20
made him numb,=20
which (he thinks) is why=20
they're called numbers
on Sunday to do some studying.
Kriton Kyrimis
At 23:06 31.12.98 +0300, you wrote:
>snowglobe. However... the premium in the first of the two issues was
>*glued* to the inside of the comic book, with the glue soaking through
>THIS IS SACRILEGE! I understand that premiums help promote the
AMEN!
>I'm off to enjoy Don's art now. I hope I'll soon be able to read
>the story in a language I understand. (Let's see now: "cowboy" means
>cowboy, "kaptajnen" means captain, "p=E5" means of, "Cutty Sark" means
>Cutty Sark, how hard can it be?...)
actually "kaptajnEN" means "THE captain" and "p=E5" means "on".
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://home.sol.no/~vidasven
And he said all those numbers=20
made him numb,=20
which (he thinks) is why=20
they're called numbers
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
List members + sacrilege
Message 4 -
1999-01-01 at 15:40:56
I saw Per's list of geographic members, and these two jumped in my eyes:
1 LV {1} = Latvia
1 CZ {0} = Czech Republic
Who ever you guys from Latvia and Czezh Republic are, please write to me
(maybe private), as I might have things you can answer for me...
Re:Sacrilege
Hear hear!
Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);
(Email removed)
1 LV {1} = Latvia
1 CZ {0} = Czech Republic
Who ever you guys from Latvia and Czezh Republic are, please write to me
(maybe private), as I might have things you can answer for me...
Re:Sacrilege
Hear hear!
Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);
(Email removed)
Michael Naiman
Who's out there?
Message 5 -
1999-01-01 at 21:40:55
Thanks to Per for his year end revue on "Who's Where" on the Disney ML.
Now that I know that there are folk actually lurking out there from Latvia,
Iceland, the Czech Republic, Spain, Asia and Egypt....
I'll trade, buy, use Euro dollars, U$ dollars,coconuts or comicbooks for
copies of "Guardians of the Lost Library" from the above referenced
countries.
I know you're out there.......
Happy New Year to All...
PS. Around February, I'll be making a request for more " Cards for Carl's
Birthday" again...let's make an even bigger showing than last year!
Maybe I'll even recount the horror story that went with last year's efforts!
Now that I know that there are folk actually lurking out there from Latvia,
Iceland, the Czech Republic, Spain, Asia and Egypt....
I'll trade, buy, use Euro dollars, U$ dollars,coconuts or comicbooks for
copies of "Guardians of the Lost Library" from the above referenced
countries.
I know you're out there.......
Happy New Year to All...
PS. Around February, I'll be making a request for more " Cards for Carl's
Birthday" again...let's make an even bigger showing than last year!
Maybe I'll even recount the horror story that went with last year's efforts!
Misha
Digest #304
Message 6 -
1999-01-01 at 23:20:23
<Don Rosa wrote:>
>Showing your story to your father reminds me of the time I was on a trip
and
>was talking to someone who was not a comic-reader who wanted to see one of
>my stories... and I happened to have a copy of (coincidentally, since you
>also made mention of it) "Treasure Under Glass". So I let the guy read it
>and asked him what he thought the next day, and he said he didn't like
it...
>and I asked why, and he said "It was too far-fetched"! ... which absolutely
>stumped me. I had no response whatsoever. He didn't like a comic book story
>because it was "too far-fetched". How do you argue with that?
Uummm... Are you suggesting that a comic book can never be too far-fetched?
Come on!
*EVERY* story, in every medium has to follow its own inner logic. It does
not matter if this logic would be far-fetched or ridiculous when projected
onto a real-life situation. But within the story frame things have to be
consistent with each other in order for the story to 'work'. Example: When
you project the set-up of "Singin' in the Rain" into the real world, it
would be idiotic. After all, people don't knock themselves out in order to
"make 'em laugh" or burst out singing when it rains (well... Most people
don't). But within the musical framework it all falls together. Now suppose
Gene Kelly would suddenly start thrashing the policeman during the title
number. That would be highly unconventional to say the least. In other
words, it would be too far-fetched.
In a comic book the story also has to be consistent of course. Whe don't
expect $crooge to suddenly go streaking in the park. Too far-fetched. Nor do
we expect Lex Luthor to suddenly volunteer at a kindergarten. Also too
far-fetched.
I do not have enough knowledge of this particular case. My point is just
that when all elements of a comic book are well-balanced, it is believable
even when said story concerns talking ducks. But within this same framework
it is also very well possible to overdo these elements, and the story
becomes far-fetched.
Just a thought.
Misha
(Email removed)
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"All things are true in some sense, false in some sense,
and meaningless in some sense"
-Robert A. Wilson-
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>Showing your story to your father reminds me of the time I was on a trip
and
>was talking to someone who was not a comic-reader who wanted to see one of
>my stories... and I happened to have a copy of (coincidentally, since you
>also made mention of it) "Treasure Under Glass". So I let the guy read it
>and asked him what he thought the next day, and he said he didn't like
it...
>and I asked why, and he said "It was too far-fetched"! ... which absolutely
>stumped me. I had no response whatsoever. He didn't like a comic book story
>because it was "too far-fetched". How do you argue with that?
Uummm... Are you suggesting that a comic book can never be too far-fetched?
Come on!
*EVERY* story, in every medium has to follow its own inner logic. It does
not matter if this logic would be far-fetched or ridiculous when projected
onto a real-life situation. But within the story frame things have to be
consistent with each other in order for the story to 'work'. Example: When
you project the set-up of "Singin' in the Rain" into the real world, it
would be idiotic. After all, people don't knock themselves out in order to
"make 'em laugh" or burst out singing when it rains (well... Most people
don't). But within the musical framework it all falls together. Now suppose
Gene Kelly would suddenly start thrashing the policeman during the title
number. That would be highly unconventional to say the least. In other
words, it would be too far-fetched.
In a comic book the story also has to be consistent of course. Whe don't
expect $crooge to suddenly go streaking in the park. Too far-fetched. Nor do
we expect Lex Luthor to suddenly volunteer at a kindergarten. Also too
far-fetched.
I do not have enough knowledge of this particular case. My point is just
that when all elements of a comic book are well-balanced, it is believable
even when said story concerns talking ducks. But within this same framework
it is also very well possible to overdo these elements, and the story
becomes far-fetched.
Just a thought.
Misha
(Email removed)
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"All things are true in some sense, false in some sense,
and meaningless in some sense"
-Robert A. Wilson-
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M. Mitchell Marmel
Singin' In The Rain
Message 7 -
1999-01-02 at 00:09:35
At 4:20 PM -0500 1/1/99, Misha wrote:
>don't). But within the musical framework it all falls together. Now suppose
>Gene Kelly would suddenly start thrashing the policeman during the title
>number. That would be highly unconventional to say the least.
No, you're thinking of 'A Clockwork Orange'. (grin)
Mitch
>don't). But within the musical framework it all falls together. Now suppose
>Gene Kelly would suddenly start thrashing the policeman during the title
>number. That would be highly unconventional to say the least.
No, you're thinking of 'A Clockwork Orange'. (grin)
Mitch
Frank Stajano
Disney comics Digest V98 #304
Message 8 -
1999-01-02 at 14:19:37
SOEREN:
At 1999-01-01 12:04 +0100, you wrote:
>Frank Stajano wrote to ARCHONTIS:
>
>> This is still from Scarpa's "ancient" period:
>>=20
>> Abramo Barosso / Romano Scarpa
>> Zio Paperone e il clavicembalo scrivano
>> TL 375 (1952)
>
>Not that ancient. 1963 in fact ;-)
Thanks for correcting me: the above is quite a record-breaking concentrate
of mistakes, given that it's also 357 and not 375 (and hence it's not 1963
either, but 1962). But of course it's not 1952, as you rightly point out,
if anything because the 1st Scarpa story is from 1953!
Anyway, I still have the blue book here on the pile of junk on my desk (I
hadn't put it back since I used it for that message) and I really CAN'T
reconstruct how I came up with that stuff! I don't drink, so I can't even
claim that as an excuse ;-)
>I think you define Scarpa's transition period from 1963 yourself, and
>IMO this story contains all the over-geared elements, that Scarpa
>practised in those years.
Well, actually that's still a bit before that, as far as my own
classification goes (for what it's worth). The ancient period is the one
with the great old stories like Kali, Ula-Ula, Bip-Bip, Altacraz, Babylon
lentils and so on, and the ducks are very "round", whereas the transition
is when his ducks become taller and, just to be clearer, when it's easier
to confuse them with Bordini.
I feel this story to be more in the ancient period than in the transition
period (as in fact the years would suggest, though only just).
Anyway, thanks again for spotting the mistakes I was spreading! ;-)
Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano/) http://www.orl.co.uk/~fms/
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At 1999-01-01 12:04 +0100, you wrote:
>Frank Stajano wrote to ARCHONTIS:
>
>> This is still from Scarpa's "ancient" period:
>>=20
>> Abramo Barosso / Romano Scarpa
>> Zio Paperone e il clavicembalo scrivano
>> TL 375 (1952)
>
>Not that ancient. 1963 in fact ;-)
Thanks for correcting me: the above is quite a record-breaking concentrate
of mistakes, given that it's also 357 and not 375 (and hence it's not 1963
either, but 1962). But of course it's not 1952, as you rightly point out,
if anything because the 1st Scarpa story is from 1953!
Anyway, I still have the blue book here on the pile of junk on my desk (I
hadn't put it back since I used it for that message) and I really CAN'T
reconstruct how I came up with that stuff! I don't drink, so I can't even
claim that as an excuse ;-)
>I think you define Scarpa's transition period from 1963 yourself, and
>IMO this story contains all the over-geared elements, that Scarpa
>practised in those years.
Well, actually that's still a bit before that, as far as my own
classification goes (for what it's worth). The ancient period is the one
with the great old stories like Kali, Ula-Ula, Bip-Bip, Altacraz, Babylon
lentils and so on, and the ducks are very "round", whereas the transition
is when his ducks become taller and, just to be clearer, when it's easier
to confuse them with Bordini.
I feel this story to be more in the ancient period than in the transition
period (as in fact the years would suggest, though only just).
Anyway, thanks again for spotting the mistakes I was spreading! ;-)
Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano/) http://www.orl.co.uk/~fms/
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HTML Reader
Argentina
Message 9 -
1999-01-02 at 18:43:21
Quisiera contactarme con lectores argentinos de la lista.
Gracias!
I wish to contact the list's argentine readers. Thanks!
Cristian
(Email removed)
Gracias!
I wish to contact the list's argentine readers. Thanks!
Cristian
(Email removed)
Don Rosa
Digest #1
Message 10 -
1999-01-02 at 19:09:53
From: "Misha" <(Email removed)>
>>>>>>>>Uummm... Are you suggesting that a comic book can never be too
far-fetched?
Come on!
No, I am not suggesting that. You missed the point of my story altogether.
The non-comic-reader disliked the comic book simply because it contained
incidents/actions that would not happen in real life. He was someone with no
imagination whatsoever. You cannot explain fantasy or
suspension-of-disbelief to someone devoid of imagination.
>>>>>>>>Uummm... Are you suggesting that a comic book can never be too
far-fetched?
Come on!
No, I am not suggesting that. You missed the point of my story altogether.
The non-comic-reader disliked the comic book simply because it contained
incidents/actions that would not happen in real life. He was someone with no
imagination whatsoever. You cannot explain fantasy or
suspension-of-disbelief to someone devoid of imagination.
Misha
Singin' In The Rain
Message 11 -
1999-01-02 at 19:30:09
>No, you're thinking of 'A Clockwork Orange'. (grin)
TOUCH=C9! <lol>
Well, both films are among my alltime favourites. Coincidence.... Or pr=
oof
of ancient astronauts?
Cheers!
Misha
(Email removed)
***********************************************
"All things are true in some sense, false in some sense,
and meaningless in some sense"
-Robert A. Wilson-
***********************************************
TOUCH=C9! <lol>
Well, both films are among my alltime favourites. Coincidence.... Or pr=
oof
of ancient astronauts?
Cheers!
Misha
(Email removed)
***********************************************
"All things are true in some sense, false in some sense,
and meaningless in some sense"
-Robert A. Wilson-
***********************************************
Shaun Craill
A New Years Request
Message 12 -
1999-01-03 at 05:16:58
Happy New Year everybody, except to our lone Chinese lurker who will be
celebrating in another month or two.
I have a very special favour to ask, which would mean a lot to me. I don't
get sent any of the comics my stories appear in except for the Danish
weeklies. I would be extremely grateful if people in countries other than
Denmark could keep an eye out for my stories and send me a copy (or two if
possible). A recent story was D97420 'The Jelly Wars' which came out in
Denmark with part 2 of Don's Cutty Sark story.
I'd be happy to pay for these, or trade or whatever. Of course what would be
best would be for the publishers to send copies to the artists and writers
(hint hint), but this doesn't seem to happen much.
All the best for 1999
Shaun Craill
33 Ngaio Rd
Woodlands Park
Titirangi
Auckland
NEW ZEALAND
ps: Who's the other Kiwi on the list? Luke Pryor?
pps: For what it's worth, old surfing rule of thumb is that a wave will
break (non wind assisted) when the depth of water under it is one third of
the height of the wave. Useful to know if you're over a reef and trying to
work out if you have enough depth to dive off a wave and not hit the bottom.
celebrating in another month or two.
I have a very special favour to ask, which would mean a lot to me. I don't
get sent any of the comics my stories appear in except for the Danish
weeklies. I would be extremely grateful if people in countries other than
Denmark could keep an eye out for my stories and send me a copy (or two if
possible). A recent story was D97420 'The Jelly Wars' which came out in
Denmark with part 2 of Don's Cutty Sark story.
I'd be happy to pay for these, or trade or whatever. Of course what would be
best would be for the publishers to send copies to the artists and writers
(hint hint), but this doesn't seem to happen much.
All the best for 1999
Shaun Craill
33 Ngaio Rd
Woodlands Park
Titirangi
Auckland
NEW ZEALAND
ps: Who's the other Kiwi on the list? Luke Pryor?
pps: For what it's worth, old surfing rule of thumb is that a wave will
break (non wind assisted) when the depth of water under it is one third of
the height of the wave. Useful to know if you're over a reef and trying to
work out if you have enough depth to dive off a wave and not hit the bottom.
Tryg Helseth
It's the time of the year...
Message 13 -
1999-01-03 at 21:22:30
PER:
>It's the time of the year when I send out list membership statistics.
>I think these figures say less and less each year, as it's harder and
>harder to guess where people are located from their email addresses.
What about a voluntary system where participants could Provide some
information on where they live? It could be as simple as the country, or
could be more detailed perhaps down to the city level?
But then with 548 participants, that could end up being a lot of work for a
single year-end report like this.
> 28 EDU {35} = Education (CNG 3, Wednet 2 {2}, UFL 2)
Addresses like EDU often have some location information in the other
qualifiers. For example, tc.umn.edu, identifies me with the University of
Minnesota, Twin City campus. Of course, I could have this address and
really reside in Timbuktu, but probably not. I don't know how consistent
this practice is, however, and it may be a nightmare to parse it out of
various forms.
As you say, however, the real problem are the anonymous addresses (like
AOL) that are becoming increasingly popular. Asking members to volunteer
geographical data may be the only way to get it. Not all would respond, of
course. I wonder what percentage would?
Anyhow, I like looking through the stats and hope you can keep reporting them.
Tryg
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>It's the time of the year when I send out list membership statistics.
>I think these figures say less and less each year, as it's harder and
>harder to guess where people are located from their email addresses.
What about a voluntary system where participants could Provide some
information on where they live? It could be as simple as the country, or
could be more detailed perhaps down to the city level?
But then with 548 participants, that could end up being a lot of work for a
single year-end report like this.
> 28 EDU {35} = Education (CNG 3, Wednet 2 {2}, UFL 2)
Addresses like EDU often have some location information in the other
qualifiers. For example, tc.umn.edu, identifies me with the University of
Minnesota, Twin City campus. Of course, I could have this address and
really reside in Timbuktu, but probably not. I don't know how consistent
this practice is, however, and it may be a nightmare to parse it out of
various forms.
As you say, however, the real problem are the anonymous addresses (like
AOL) that are becoming increasingly popular. Asking members to volunteer
geographical data may be the only way to get it. Not all would respond, of
course. I wonder what percentage would?
Anyhow, I like looking through the stats and hope you can keep reporting them.
Tryg
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Aderack
Well, makes sense to me. <g>
Message 14 -
1999-01-03 at 22:01:11
Don Rosa explained:
> The non-comic-reader disliked the comic book simply because it contained
> incidents/actions that would not happen in real life.
And this person was concerned about the realism of activities conducted by
four-foot-tall talking ducks. Hmm.
> The non-comic-reader disliked the comic book simply because it contained
> incidents/actions that would not happen in real life.
And this person was concerned about the realism of activities conducted by
four-foot-tall talking ducks. Hmm.
Dan Shane
Disney comics Digest V99 #2
Message 15 -
1999-01-03 at 22:06:23
>Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:16:58 +0100
>From: (Email removed) (Shaun Craill)
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: A New Years Request
>
>Happy New Year everybody, except to our lone Chinese lurker who will be
>celebrating in another month or two.
>
And to me!
>From: (Email removed) (Shaun Craill)
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: A New Years Request
>
>Happy New Year everybody, except to our lone Chinese lurker who will be
>celebrating in another month or two.
>
And to me!