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Don Rosa
I just received the last two Gladstones, the WDC&S #633 and the U$ #318,
both with my stories. Great looking comics, both of 'em... nice final
efforts. (And I'm particularly pleased, of course, to finally see "The War
of the Wendigo" in English, and in direct violation of Disney's ban on that
story. Heh heh.)
But this is the last time I'll ever see my stories in a language I can
read! I do see some changes from my original script, and since this is the
last time I'll ever know about such things (without some bi/tri-lingual
friend warning me), I guess I'll take this last opportunity to whine. "The
War of the Wendigo" was done nearly 10 years ago and it was
always ironic that it was my one story to be banned from American
publication, yet it was the one story in which I'd put LOTS of extra effort
into the English (Peeweegah) dialogue. And since I was so careful with the
Longfellowian (Kalevala-ian) rythm to the verse, I must point out that in
the half-dozen instances when the rythm is broken, it's simply because a
word has been dropped from the actual original dialogue. I detect that other
balloons were enlarged here and there when my bubbles were too small for my
words, but not so with the Peeweegah dialogue. Perhaps the letterer did not
realize that each Peeweegah line must have 8 beats, and didn't worry about
omitting a word. Anyway, as I said, if you are reading their verses and are
disturbed when a line is missing a beat, that beat is somewhere on a cutting
room floor. It's in the original script.
Other changes in the Wendigo story... whenever the Peeweegah are saying
"Yes, yes, yes", my script had them saying "woo, woo, woo" as they did in
Barks' (oh-so-politically-INcorrect?) original. In another spot I had Savage
DeFlora dumping chemicals into the mill pipes to disperse the frogs, but I
see that is now merely "hot water". If this was to protect the frogs, it's
odd that he is still shown putting even worse chemicals into the smokestacks
to disperse the bats... and later in the story the reference to his dumping
his entire chemical arsenal into the river is still intact.
But THANK YOU Gladstone for finally printing this story. Aside from the
extra effort this one took, it is one of my own stories that I *AM* very
proud of as the environmental subject matter is very close to my heart. I've
read through it twice now, and each time I get a bit of mist in one eye when
I read the Peeweegah Chief's dialogue in the final chapter. I think that
came out rather well if I do say so myself. ("Final chapter"?... yes, that
was my first 3 parter, and in those days I did not do extra art to bridge
those awkward 2nd & 3rd chapter splash-panels.)

UNCLE $CROOGE #318 had "The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark", a story 9
years newer than "Wendigo".... and I notice that "my" stay in UNCLE $CROOGE
lasted exactly 100 issues, #219-318. Heh. "CCotCS" looked great... beautiful
colors, virtually no changes... there was one omission in one panel, but it
was an ommission that has occured around the world, so I guess it was
accidentally left out of the Egmont script -- but there's a panel during the
bullrace when $crooge is thinking of all the money he plans to make, and you
see some sort of empty cloud trailing behind his head, like his head is
dusty or something. That's a thought balloon that is supposed to be filled
with a long trail of dollar $igns.
The only change in the dialogue that seems to have been made by Gladstone
will probably seem very insignificant to readers, but it happened to be my
favorite line in the whole story. When the captain's camera is destroyed by
a rock, this edition has him saying "Mr. Pencroft, fetch me a marlinespike.
I've an urge to do this contraption a further mischief." But in my original
script the Captain's frustration was somewhat (!) greater -- his dialogue is
*supposed* to be "Mr. Pencroft, fetch me a marlinespike. I've an urge to do
myself a mischief". In other words, he wants to kill himself. Obviously, not
really... but I guess this was still too much for someone...? A teeny
change, but I just loved my original line of self-threat spoken by that
constantly emotionless, stoic captain. (By the way, this is how the books
describe the actual Captain Moore of the Cutty Sark, in his character, his
appearance, and his love of cameras.)

Well, so long Gladstone. I'd go into detail about what a great job you've
done in the face of constant adversity for all those years, but I've already
done that here a month or so ago. Hope to see you guys back on these comics
for another publisher someday... but I somehow see that as a longshot in a
country where the publisher would have to deal with the adversities of both
a crumbling comic market and the Disney corporation.

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End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #12
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Don Rosa
Sorry. I meant to write that the "Studio" report was in THE COMICS JOURNAL
#207, not 202.
Tarjei Kidd Olsen
Hi,

Don R. said:

>The only change in the dialogue that seems to have been made by Gladstone
>will probably seem very insignificant to readers, but it happened to be my
>favorite line in the whole story. When the captain's camera is destroyed by
>a rock, this edition has him saying "Mr. Pencroft, fetch me a marlinespike.
>I've an urge to do this contraption a further mischief." But in my original
>script the Captain's frustration was somewhat (!) greater -- his dialogue
is
>*supposed* to be "Mr. Pencroft, fetch me a marlinespike. I've an urge to do
>myself a mischief". In other words, he wants to kill himself. Obviously,
not
>really... but I guess this was still too much for someone...? A teeny

In the Norwegian edition the line follows the original script, and yes, I
DID notice that omission since it was one of the funniest parts in the story
along with the suddenly ecstatically happy captain and some other moments.
Until now, though, I thought it was the SCANDINAVIAN translators that had
altered the line to something funnier.

Tarjei Kidd Olsen
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Leonardo Gori
Ciao!

PAOLO:

>della Disney di distribuzione cinematografica, e nell'atrio
>avevano un disegno autografo di Scarpa celebrativo di Topolino
>2000 e inedito!!! Quando (se) ci tornero' cerchero' di farne una
>fotocopia!

E' per caso questo?

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/Scarpa.html

(scusa per il colpo di flash)

E... In bocca al lupo!

TUTTI:

Se volete, date un'occhiata a questo albo Disney, piuttosto raro, uscito
nel 1946:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/Pinocchio1.html
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/Pinocchio2.html

E' l'unico cartonato Disney di "media epoca", e faceva parte di una
collana, "I grandi albi di Walt Disney", che non ebbe mai seguito. Volete
che lo indicizzi?

Ciao a tutti.
Leonardo Gori

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http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
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Leonardo Gori
Ciao!

PAOLO:

>della Disney di distribuzione cinematografica, e nell'atrio
>avevano un disegno autografo di Scarpa celebrativo di Topolino
>2000 e inedito!!! Quando (se) ci tornero' cerchero' di farne una
>fotocopia!

E' per caso questo?

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/Scarpa.html

(scusa per il colpo di flash)

E... In bocca al lupo!

TUTTI:

Se volete, date un'occhiata a questo albo Disney, piuttosto raro, uscito
nel 1946:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/Pinocchio1.html
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/Pinocchio2.html

E' l'unico cartonato Disney di "media epoca", e faceva parte di una
collana, "I grandi albi di Walt Disney", che non ebbe mai seguito. Volete
che lo indicizzi?

Ciao a tutti.
Leonardo Gori

(Email removed)
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(Email removed)
(Email removed)

http://i.am/leonardo/
http://hello.to/oldcomics/

http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/6371/
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
DON
> ... for instance, above the caption "Barks claimed they tried to buy
> his 'life's assets' for $2000" is the panel from "The Old Castle's
Secret"
> where $crooge is holding a gun on his groundskeeper and saying "Scottie=
!
My
> faithful servant! You tried to steal my treasure!".=20
They kinda cought the situation!

> btw. If anyone has any corrections to my language, please send complain=
ts
> to (Email removed)
No corrections? I'm glad if that means my english is good an
understandable... It's been half a year since I was educated in it...

> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:12:34 +0100
> From: Botto Armando <(Email removed)>

> Well, the list seems to be rather quiet lately, so I feel encouraged to
do a
> little rambling ;-)=20
I agree. Maybe I should start to put some of my strange questions again...
(we must have an awful lot of lurkers here... maybe you should say
something:-))))
=20
> A few weeks ago I noticed some messages (Bror, Halsten) about the
> Scandinavian "Jubilee-books". (For those who are not familiar with the
> subject, we're speaking of thick books collecting reprints of the very
first
> issues of the local Kalle Anka / Anders And / Aku Ankka / ... comic-boo=
k,
> from the late 40's - early 50's).=20
I hope you're right about the Anders And part... I haven't seen any ads f=
or
this and there's only 2=BD monts to our jubilee (and 2 months to my deadl=
ine
if I still am going to write an article about it for the local
newspaper...)
I remember having seen a collection of 1950 or 1952 in a book... but, you
don't believe this, I wasn't interested in reading it... :-(
They where maybe made back in 1979-1984 where there was some occasions to=
o
(the 40 -jubilee and Donald's 50 years "birthday". btw when is it people
say his real birthday is?

> Furthermore, I don't know about Scandinavia, but in Italy reprint-serie=
s
are
> an established tradition.=20
As I stated reprints came out in 1979 to 1983/4, i don't know how long th=
ey
went with that, but I have nr. 2 from 1951 in such a reprint (Donald Duck
30 years ago they called them)=20

> And I read somewhere that the series reprinting the
> oldest issues actually sells more than the "regular" one...
I'm sure that was so for those danish AA issues too... they said on the t=
he
back cover of the weakly: do you love the good old Donald too? then buy
these...

Don on his great story: (a pitty they cut out some of those last words...=
)

> Other changes in the Wendigo story... whenever the Peeweegah are saying
> "Yes, yes, yes", my script had them saying "woo, woo, woo" as they did =
in
> Barks' (oh-so-politically-INcorrect?) original.=20
If it's politically incorrect to show indians being nice people trying to
protect the nature from the not-so-good white Duck/man, I don't want to b=
e
politically correct!

> ("Final chapter"?... yes, that
> was my first 3 parter, and in those days I did not do extra art to brid=
ge
> those awkward 2nd & 3rd chapter splash-panels.)
btw: Rosa, you didn't do this is a one parter too, did you? it was only a
3-parter?
=20
Cebarat
DON ROSA said re the last two Gladstones:

> But this is the last time I'll ever see my stories in a language I can
> read!

Here's hoping your conclusion is premature, Don.

> And since I was so careful with the
> Longfellowian (Kalevala-ian) rythm to the verse, I must point out that in
> the half-dozen instances when the rythm is broken, it's simply because a
> word has been dropped from the actual original dialogue.

Thanks for clearing this up. Between the rather hasty lettering (which may
have included dropped words) and the large empty spaces in the splash panels,
it seemed to me that this was a "rush job" at least by Gladstone's previous
standards.
Well, better that than never to see this story in English, I suppose.

Chris Barat
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Bhc
DON:

Thanks for both the kind words and critiques. As we sit here busying
ourselves on various and sundry matters while awaiting final word on the
disposition of US Disney comics, we've also had occasion to pause and
reflect on all that has transpired over the last nearly twenty years, since
the founding of our original parent company, Another Rainbow, in 1980. I
personally only go back with the company as far as July of 1986, when
Gladstone already had a couple issues of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Uncle
Scrooge, and Walt Disney's Comics and Stories (both regular comics and
digests) under its belt, but it certainly *feels* like I've been here for
the whole shootin' match!

ALL:

Perhaps there will be something of Gladstone in the next phase of Disney
comics for North America, just as there is something of Gladstone in what
Egmont produces these days. I won't bother to speculate on eventualities (I
hardly have enough facts to justify making wild guesses at this point!),
but it just seems wrong, plain wrong, that Disney comics should disappear
here.

No, "wrong" is not a strong enough word. It's ludicrous! If every
Disney-oriented project by Gladstone, Disney Comics, Marvel and Acclaim was
expensed out and added together, it wouldn't amount to a fraction of what
was spent to make and market a single modern Disney animated feature! Yet
these four companies couldn't pull enough sales on Disney comics to do much
more than meet those same expenses.

Oh well, we did do some pretty neat comics along the way. As a legacy, that
ain't half bad!
David B. Fenske
At 02:28 AM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I just received the last two Gladstones, the WDC&S #633 and the U$ #318,
>both with my stories. Great looking comics, both of 'em... nice final
>efforts. (And I'm particularly pleased, of course, to finally see "The War
>of the Wendigo" in English, and in direct violation of Disney's ban on that
>story. Heh heh.)
>But this is the last time I'll ever see my stories in a language I can
>read!

Well, I guess I'm an optimist, who can't really believe that Rosa McDuck
stories will never be available again, because if I wasn't, this recent
turn of events would have me thoroughly depressed. I have really enjoyed
your stories over the past 10 years or so, Don. I have yet to read Cutty
Sark (I've been saving it, but any day now...) but enjoyed War of the
Wendigo. Being a Canadian, it was nice to see another story set here. But
what's amazing is that anyone would even consider banning it. No, amazing
isn't the right word. Scary is.

Maybe Egmont could publish a Don Rosa English Edition comic every quarter,
or twice a year, and sell it by mail order? I'm sure thousands of fans
from around the world would purchase such a publication. I know... not
realistic, or feasible. But talk to them about it, eh?

Dave Fenske
>
>
>

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End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #13
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Paolo Castagno
Hello,

Botto Armando wrote:
> in about three months' time, the Italian "Topolino"
> comic-book will celebrate its fiftieth anniversary (No. 1 came
> out in April, 1949). Has anybody in Disney/Italia thought of
> an appropriate way of celebrating the event? Maybe something
> different from enclosing some kind of for-small-kids-only
> gadget in the April issues? Maybe something in the line of
> what our friends from Northern Europe have been experiencing?

Hear! Hear! That's a great idea IMHO, and I'd surely be one of
the most interested! I love to collect old Topolino issues, but
not only for the old stories they have, since them all have been
reprinted many times on different publications, and neither for
"sentimental" reasons since I'm currently buying issues published
well before my birth. The main reason to collect old issues, in
my case, is because they are a good tool to understand how
changed masses cultural level, their preferences, etc.
Advertising is not just something to sell a product, but can be
read as an history of the consumers, for example: in late 60 ties
all the back covers of Topolino have the advertising of a toy
weapon (rifles, guns, etc.) something completely disappeared once
that common sense become higher. Then in the 90 ties there were a
lot of ads for kids wearing, in fact in those years child-market
in Italy was changing, and were the childred to choose how to
dress themselves, many other examples are possible, and for the
ones, like me, interested in learning how the masses preferences
changhe thought the years, it's very interesting to learn those
infos directly from the products from these years, includet
Topolino advertising and editorials!

> I'm sure there's plenty of problems to be solved... First to come to mind,
> Disney/Italia relationships with Mondadori (the original publisher);

I suppose their relationship aren't so bad: after all they
published one of the latest issues of Topolino togheter with TV
Sorrisi & Canzioni, a Mondadori publication...

> Maybe some Italian list members - and occasional contributors to Disney
> publications ;-) - can provide their opinion on the above, or even make
> Disney/Italia sensible to the issue? (It would be a good opportunity for
> them to write philological notes, and for us to read them...)

Luca, Leonardo, that's for you! ;-)

Ciao,

- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney/
(now updated with indexes of italian publications!)
Leonardo Gori
Hi all!

Excuse me! I just sent *two* messages (in italian!) for another list... I
have some problems with my computer. Or I'm only a little tired (I think
the second idea is right)
I apologize

Best
Leonardo Gori

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Don Rosa
RHYTHM! Not "rythm"! I'm the sort that I don't watch the screen when I type,
and I often can only recognize bonehead spelling errors when I see them with
my eyebulbs.
Juha Viikki
Don Rosa wrote:

>> And since I was so careful with the Longfellowian (Kalevala-ian)
rythm to the verse, I must point out that in the half-dozen instances
when the rythm is broken, it's simply because word has been dropped from
the actual original dialogue.

Speaking of the Kalevala, are we going to see any of that poetical
language in your Kalevala story? What kind of a story will it be,
anyway?(how many pages, which characters, which time & place etc.)
Or is it too early to talk about it? As a Finn, I'm really looking
forward to see the story and would really appreciate any advance
information.

Juha

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Christian Peters
Hallo!
Ich bin ein großer Disney-Fan und habe mich jetzt einfach mal in die
Mailingliste eingetragen.Leider kann ich nicht so gut Englisch...
Kann jemand Deutsch und mir erklären,wie das hier so vor sich geht.
Vielleicht würde euch auch einiges über Disney-Comics in Deutschland
interessieren,was wir hier so lesen.
Ich hoffe ihr könnt mir weiterhelfen.
Nun probiere ich nochmal eine "billige" Übersetzung.
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Hi!
I am a big Disney-Fan from Germany.
I`m sorry-but my English is not very good-is anybody on the list,who can
speak German ?
I hope it.If anybody can tell me anything about this list,i will be happy..
Then I will tell you something about Disney-Comics in Germany-I think it is
interesting for you.
And one question:About what do you talk in this list.
I hope you can answer me in German or "EASY ENGLISH".

I will read you(?)
Christian from Germany(Himmelpforten)
Christian Peters
I hope this mails came on, on the mailinglist.

Here sme Infos for you from German:
-"Mulan" came in the cinemas in Germany(ca.4.000.000 saw it-in Germany it is
good-Titanic had 12.000.000)
-The famoust Comic-Books in Germany are the 100-Sides "Micky
Maus-Magazin"-it exists for ca.45 years.It is weekly in the shops.
And there ist the "Lustiges Taschenbuch".It has 254 Sites and it is
monthlyin the shops(is my English too bad?)
The "Lustiges Taschenbuch" is my favourite Disney-Book.
I have 247 of 255 Exemplars(next Month there came Nr.256 in the shops)It
exist for ca.30 years.
Are those informations interesting for yo Americans-or not?

Christian from Germany
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