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ARCHONTIS:

>My
>question: WHY? Why did Scarpa concentrate on drawing the Ducks and abandoned
>writing his own scripts? Was it of his own choice? Was it the dictum of his
>editors? Did his story-well run dry, as Barks would say? Whatever the
>reason, however, that string of masterpieces of the late 50s-early 60s would
>never repeat itself.
>
>I managed to locate quite a few of Scarpa's stories from the late 60s and
>70s. Most are mediocre, in both art and story quality.

I know that Frank won't agree with me, but I stand with my former opinion:
Scarpa's art became sloppier in the late 60's.
This is on HIS OWN ADMISSION in an interview on "Topolino" which however I
can't trace down. He said (I'm quoting by memory): "...then I realized that
my careful art took twice the time that the other Disney artists needed to
draw a story; and I was getting paid the SAME money as them! So why should
I go on drawing slowly-and-carefully? I just sped up..."

I confirm that IMHO Scarpa's stories after that period were not good.
Better were (later on) the "strip-stories" like Brigaboom and such. I
understand these were written in the hope that they would get printed as
Syndacated strips in the USA newspapers: certainly Scarpa would have
deserved this, but unfortunately he didn't succeed...

Very good drawing (but not so good script) is the recent story printed on
the "Journal de Mickey"...

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex

A list member told me I should announce this appearance that he saw
mentioned in a flyer... I guess I should mention such American convention
appearances... I don't suppose I'll be invited to American conventions much
longer, with my comics no longer appearing in America. And I never travel to
make appearances at my own expense like other comics professionals because,
unlike them, if I went around and did such a *great* job promoting my work
that it sold an extra *trillion* copies, that would only make extra $ for
Di$ney, not me. Well, if I'd actually ever thought I coulda done something
like that to help Gladstone, I would... but even that is no longer a
possibility.
Anyway, the show I've been invited to... here, I'll recopy all the flyer
info that was just sent to me by the helpful above-mentioned list member:
==========================
Boston Comic Book and Toy Spectacular 14
Sunday February 21, 1999
10 AM - 4PM
Radisson Hotel
200 Stuart Street, Boston
Guests: Don Rosa, Artist and Writer of Walt Disney Comics and Stories
Lowell Cunningham, Creator and Writer of Men in Black
Keith Williams, The Phantom
Fred Fredericks, The Phantom
Hannibal King, Nightvision
Organized By: Primate Promotions
PO Box 323
Amesbury, MA 01913
978 388 6576
(Email removed)
========================
It's been a long time since I was last in Boston or Massachusetts. So long,
in fact, that the last time I was there, on the same trip I travelled
through Washington DC where, in a passing motorcade, I saw a President who
had been born near Boston.

As some of you may know, there is a time-machine hidden in the basement of
the Mouseton Museum. It was built by prof. Marlin, a friend of the
archaeologist prof. Zapotec.
Mickey Mouse and Goofy are the only ones (apart from Zapotec and Marlin)
who know about this time-machine. They have been using it for years now, in
many I-coded stories that appeared on "Topolino".

The "first" time-machine story, as reported by books (e. g. "I Disney
Italiany" by Boschi-Gori-Sani and Becattini, or even Becattini's recent
book on Floyd Gottfredson...) is

I TL 1576-A (09-02-1986)
Topolino e gli enigmi del tempo
/Pezzin/MdV/
40//Topolino; Pippo, Zapotec, Marlin
[ristampe: CD 248]

recently reprinted in "Classici Disney" #248. In this story the
time-machine (together with the "previously unknown" prof. Marlin) is
introduced to the reader.

But... but...
In fact three time-machine stories, with Zapotec and Marlin sending Mickey
and Goofy in the past to investigate mysteries, had appeared BEFORE that
one: they are I TL 1555-A and I TL 1559-A (written by Bruno Concina!) and I
TL 1561-A (written by the same Giorgio Pezzin). How could this ever happen?
And WHO between Concina and Pezzin invented the time-machine series???

The truth on this excruciating matter ;-) ;-) ;-) finally appears
on the next issue of "I Maestri Disney", due for sale in Italy next Tuesday.

[The same issue features I TL 1128-A (10-07-1977) "Topolino e il triangolo
delle Bermude" written by Castelli and drawn by Massimo De Vita, so this
issue IS a must!]

The strange perturbation in the time-continuum by which the "first"
time-machine story appeared as FOURTH was pointed out to me by Dario
Ambrosini, a lurker on this Mailing List. We found a way (thanks to Luca
Boschi for his kindness!) to contact Concina and Pezzin, whereafter we
reconstructed what had happened. I finally called Lidia Cannatella of "I
Maestri Disney"'s editorial staff, and asked her whether we might re-tell
the whole story on that magazine; she kindly consented, and so we are now
eagerly waiting ;-) to see our essay on the next issue.

But here's for you a preview!

Pezzin was probably the first one to design a series of stories featuring a
time-machine. He spoke about this to Franco Fossati, then in charge of
script supervision; and was encouraged to proceed.
Bu Pezzin was slow... ;-) so when he came back to Fossati with his
first script, he found out that he had been SCOOPED! Bruno Concina (who was
not new to the theme of time-travels!) had written a story (which
afterwards turned out to be printed as I TL 1559-A) featuring Mickey and
Goofy who travel back into time with a time-machine invented by a
(previously unknown) prof. Marlin!
Now Fossati decided that a unique long-term multi-author project could be
carried out, so he invited Pezzin and Concina to meet each other. The two
decided together the main features of the time-machine series, then split
up the possible subjects (to avoid duplication of themes). After this one
meeting, they parted and (almost) never met again!
But a series was started. A creation by three people we might say: Pezzin,
Concina and Fossati. I TL 1576-A was to be the first story to appear but
somehow things didn't work out as they should have. Maybe Pezzin was
(again?) too slow (he'll never adimit it, I guess!). Anyhow, the
introductory story was printed only FIVE MONTHS after the first story
featuring the time-machine!

After a few years, both Pezzin and Concina have stopped doing time-machine
stories. They felt the subject had worn out... or maybe they just didn't
like the way the idea was used by OTHER scripters, and just wanted to call
themselves out...
Concina anyway didn't abandon the time-machine without experimenting
time-travel which-way interactive stories... but that's a totally different
tale!

Marco

http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex

Hi All,

Archontis wrote a long message about Scarpa and other Italian artists.

There are a few post-1964 stories that Scarpa wrote. They're all very
good (or almost all). His art was very different at the time. For
instance:

I TL 430-B 20 3 RSc RSc GCa ELL Quel drittone di Gancio
[app:MM,MI,GO,PL] [date:64-02-23] [story-comm:prima apparizione di
Gancio nelle storie di Scarpa]
| it : TL 430

I TL 440-A 21 3 RSc RSc GCa ELL Gancio il dritto alla riscossa
[app:GO,MM,Gilbert] [date:64-05-03]
| fr : MP 97
| it : TL 440

These are very funny stories with Gancio... And, also:

I TL 408-A 33 3 RSc RSc GCa DD Paperino intelligentone a ondate
[app:HDL] [date:63-09-22] [story-comm:mania enciclopedie]
| se : KAP 6
| dk : JB 6*
| de : LT 12
| fr : MPI 873,MPNT 873
| it : TL 408

is very good. And I recall another good Mickey story:

I TL 452-B 30 3 RSc RSc GCa MM Topolino e il vortice ipnotico
[app:GO] [date:64-07-26] [story-comm:giallo culinario, gara tra grandi
cuochi]
| se : KAP 11
| dk : JB 11
| de : LT 13
| fr : MPI 886,MPNT 886
| it : TL 452

"La Magnon 777" was reprinted in Mickey-Parade recently with an article
of Luca Boschi, who says that it was in 1975 that Scarpa started to
write his stories again. The first ones were:

I TL 1000-C 23 3 RSc RSc ADC US Zio Paperone braccato speciale
[date:75-01-26] [story-comm:da Brigitta]
| se : KAP 58
| dk : JB 60
| de : LT 100
| fr : MP 52

I TL 1027-A 30 3 RSc RSc ADC MM Topolino e la 'Magnon 777'
[app:GO,O'Hara] [date:75-08-03] [part:1] [story-comm:spionaggio]
| fr : MP 89*

Even after, Scarpa made many excellent stories (with Bruto, Gancio's
nephew, or Zenobia). And I like them as much as the first ones he did in
the 50s during the "golden" age...

Francois

Hello Guys and Girls (who? )
I found the original Andold Wild Duck comic (in dk) yesterday. the one
where Andold's friend when the *dream* is over turns out to be the new
mailman who comes all the way from Goosetown.
Sir Donnibold von Duckenburgh und die wilden Wikinger
D 5393, Sir Donnibold von Duckenburgh und die wilden Wikinger (?strange
title?) ( ? pages).
Story code
D 5393
Written by
?
Art by
?
Publications
Germany
82-12+
Denmark
AA82-12+
I found that above in the database...
And I wanted to tell the ones interested (possibly some italians, others
and myself) This story is an excact rewrite of Marco Rota's (one of the
great artists) second story where the whole story is something HDL read in
a book, while Donald is sleeping.
You see I remember myself one evening/night looking at both this and the
sure publication in DK of I/T 277 and it was all alike, just that those
Gutenberghus-guys redrew the comic so it had not got those rounded panels,
which are so typical for Marco's style.

(277:)Denmark
AA93B22
Italy
AT 277
Referred to in
D 5393
I don't wanna argue with that, I just don't know what they mean by referred
to.
Any coments, correctments or telling if this is true. The other publication
shown is Germany. Do you know anything?
AC

Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);
(Email removed)

Anders:

The story you mention about Andold Wild Duck (I AT 277-A) is indeed
Italian. The Danish editors restructured the story and (apparently) gave it
a new code: D 5393. You wrote that the artwork is redrawn, but that's not
true: the panels were only re-arranged (or deleted).

The database you were using is quite old (from May 1998). And there are some
programming mistakes that need to be fixed (Per?).

> D 5393, Sir Donnibold von Duckenburgh und die wilden
> Wikinger (?strange title?) ( ? pages).

Nothing "strange" about that title: it's the title in the German reprint.

> Referred to in D 5393
> I don't wanna argue with that, I just don't know what they mean by
> referred to.

Exactly what you describe: D 5393 is a new code, but is actually referring
to I AT 277-A. So, the inverse is also true: I AT 277-A is "referred to" in
D 5393.

Wherever the D-code is used in the database, the correct I-code should be
used in stead (Brix? Ole? 8-).

--Harry.

ARCHONTIS:

> >And actually his style hasn't changed much since then... just a slight bit.
> >Don't come tell me you don't like like the "Paperolimpiadi" either! :-)
>
> I wouldn't know--I haven't seen it! :-))

Would that be the Munich Olympics special, where Goofy finds an ancient
greek athlete's boots, and when he puts them on becomes a super athlete
himself? I understand that this story is by Scarpa. It was published
in Greece as "O Gkoufy Olympionikis" (Goofy, the Olympic Champion), and
later reprinted in Klassika, with references to the Munich Olympics
changed to some generic sports event. An OK story, but not one of my
favorites. (De gustibus and coloribus non disputandum!)

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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Halsten Aasteb=F8l wrote:
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> Hello!
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> Norway's biggest newspaper, VG, has this week been running a poll on th=
eir
> web site called the "Hot o'meter" where the readers were asked to vote =
on
> their favorite Disney character. The results from the Norwegian jury:

Lots of interesting characters snipped, but
here I stopped:

> Catfoot 9 0.22%

So, maybe this reveals my age and senility,
but here goes - who in the (Disney) world is Catfoot??

> Gus Goose number 4! What on earth has he done to deserve that?

Absolutely nothing. Thereby setting an example to all of us.

Even

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