ARMANDO (and others):
>in page 7 of the
>story, when Magica appears in front of the Beagle Boys: a rough
>back-translation from Italian to English might be the following:
>BB: "It's that witch from Italy!"
>MDS: "I'm a *sorceress*, you ignorant!"
>BB: "You are a *witch*! Not only do you weigh as a duck! You *are* a duck!"
It seems I have mislaid my copies of Don Rosa's original dialog for "A
Little Something Special", so I can't tell you his exact wording of this
passage (with the Monty Python reference)... surely someone else out there
can help? However, going back to my own translation, I do find a note to
myself that I didn't quite catch Don's intention... so I guess it did stick
out somewhat, at least like a sore little finger! Now I understand it was
yet another movie reference that I missed! I don't know why I never asked
Don about the matter. Maybe I was too much in a hurry, as usual; or maybe I
just didn't find it important enough to bother him (I ask too many questions
anyway); or maybe I didn't want to look stupid! Then again, if that would be
the case, why am I here at all?!?
Anyway, what I wrote in Swedish was something like: "Witch or sorceress,
it's all the same! And you're just a duck, anyway!" Maybe the Python
reference is all gone, and I can't tell whether this makes any sense at all
to the reader... or whether it had, in case the reference had still been
there. By the way, what *was* the dialog in the Python movie? And again,
somebody, what was Don's original dialog? Also, you people who read the
story in various languages... did you catch the reference, and did you find
the passage weird with or without it?
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Author
Topic: 199902
(198 messages)
Stefan Diös
Disney comics Digest V99 #36
Message 181 -
1999-02-25 at 19:51:01
DeanMary
Off-topic Request
Message 182 -
1999-02-25 at 21:21:38
Hi! I and my significant other (Mary) will be going on a bus tour of
Scandinavia this June. After the bus tour ends we will be spending four
days on our own in Copenhagen.
Along with collecting Disney Duck comic books, I also collect many
different Duck items. Some of these include: toys, clocks, watches,
clothes, plates, mugs, figurines, ornaments, etc., etc.
We are from the US and have never been to Scandinavia before. I was
wondering if someone on the list could give me some advice on where to
find Donald and Scrooge items? Are there particular stores or types of
stores to look in? Or is Disney Duck stuff just everywhere! (my
personal favorite choice! :)) Also, if anyone on the list is familiar
with Copenhagen itself, perhaps there are certain stores we should look
at in Copenhagen?
If anyone could help me with this request I would be very grateful.
Since this is an off-topic request which is probably of no interest to
others on the ML, feel free to e-mail me personally. Thanks in advance
for the help I hope I get!
Dean Rekich
e-mail:(Email removed)
Scandinavia this June. After the bus tour ends we will be spending four
days on our own in Copenhagen.
Along with collecting Disney Duck comic books, I also collect many
different Duck items. Some of these include: toys, clocks, watches,
clothes, plates, mugs, figurines, ornaments, etc., etc.
We are from the US and have never been to Scandinavia before. I was
wondering if someone on the list could give me some advice on where to
find Donald and Scrooge items? Are there particular stores or types of
stores to look in? Or is Disney Duck stuff just everywhere! (my
personal favorite choice! :)) Also, if anyone on the list is familiar
with Copenhagen itself, perhaps there are certain stores we should look
at in Copenhagen?
If anyone could help me with this request I would be very grateful.
Since this is an off-topic request which is probably of no interest to
others on the ML, feel free to e-mail me personally. Thanks in advance
for the help I hope I get!
Dean Rekich
e-mail:(Email removed)
Mike Schneiderath
German Rosa Album #20 out now!
Message 183 -
1999-02-26 at 01:22:33
Hi!
Ehapa just released the 20th German Scrooge Album by Don Rosa.
the featured Stories are (in one part version)
-D96089: The Vigilante of Pizzen Bluff - "Der Rächer von Windy City"
-D96203: Attack of the Hideos space Varmints - "Reisende durch die Ewigkeit!
("travellers thru eternety" ....don´t ask me ;-)
The cover shows the same drawing as the Gladstone comic, which featured the
Pizzen Bluff Story
As in previous issues Don Rosa gives some comments on the stories that are
featured in the Album
There is a little error on the "content" page page, the second story is
wrongly called "Die Reise ins 6te Jahrhundert". Obviously the content page
of the previos issue was used as a template and so the title is still the
one from the second story of album #19. But all references connected to it
are updated, so the german title is all that is wrong. Apart from that the
adaption of the stories seems to be done nicely.
That´s all folks!
Mike
-------
www.duckhunt.de
Ehapa just released the 20th German Scrooge Album by Don Rosa.
the featured Stories are (in one part version)
-D96089: The Vigilante of Pizzen Bluff - "Der Rächer von Windy City"
-D96203: Attack of the Hideos space Varmints - "Reisende durch die Ewigkeit!
("travellers thru eternety" ....don´t ask me ;-)
The cover shows the same drawing as the Gladstone comic, which featured the
Pizzen Bluff Story
As in previous issues Don Rosa gives some comments on the stories that are
featured in the Album
There is a little error on the "content" page page, the second story is
wrongly called "Die Reise ins 6te Jahrhundert". Obviously the content page
of the previos issue was used as a template and so the title is still the
one from the second story of album #19. But all references connected to it
are updated, so the german title is all that is wrong. Apart from that the
adaption of the stories seems to be done nicely.
That´s all folks!
Mike
-------
www.duckhunt.de
Gpantzer
Something Special dialog
Message 184 -
1999-02-26 at 05:29:42
Stefan asked about the dialog between the BB and Magica in
The "Something Special" story. In my copy of Adventurous
Uncle Scrooge McDuck #2, it goes this way:
Panel-Magica appears on table
BB1:"What? It's that italian witch!"
MdS:"I'm a sorceress, you lout!"
BB2:"Dang! This prune juice stain will never come out!"
Next panel:
BB1:"Phooey! You're a witch! You don't just weigh as much as
a duck - you ARE a duck!"
BB2:"Careful! She'll turn you into a newt!"
MdS:"I can do much worse with the magic all that money bought!"
Hope this helps. Sheesh, I wore out my "!" key...
The "Something Special" story. In my copy of Adventurous
Uncle Scrooge McDuck #2, it goes this way:
Panel-Magica appears on table
BB1:"What? It's that italian witch!"
MdS:"I'm a sorceress, you lout!"
BB2:"Dang! This prune juice stain will never come out!"
Next panel:
BB1:"Phooey! You're a witch! You don't just weigh as much as
a duck - you ARE a duck!"
BB2:"Careful! She'll turn you into a newt!"
MdS:"I can do much worse with the magic all that money bought!"
Hope this helps. Sheesh, I wore out my "!" key...
Teme (www.Conk.Com/world/teme)
Culture?
Message 185 -
1999-02-26 at 06:38:54
Hi!
I was reading Aamulehti (morning paper, literally) and I came upon
commentary(?) on a Aku Ankka's special issue. The writer commented on
Aku Ankka being 'the good old ambassador of american culture'. Now,
that's more serious view on a comic than I normally embrace as I usually
just read and enjoy Disney comics (and wear them through in the process)
but nothing more (not even collecting).
But besides just rambling aimlessly I was wondering what you all think
about this. Are Disney comics ambassador of American culture, especially
now when they are no longer even published in US (I gather...), or just
fun to read?
Me, I don't know about culture and regard Donald & Scrooge & Co. as my
personal friends.
Teme
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #38
*****************************************
I was reading Aamulehti (morning paper, literally) and I came upon
commentary(?) on a Aku Ankka's special issue. The writer commented on
Aku Ankka being 'the good old ambassador of american culture'. Now,
that's more serious view on a comic than I normally embrace as I usually
just read and enjoy Disney comics (and wear them through in the process)
but nothing more (not even collecting).
But besides just rambling aimlessly I was wondering what you all think
about this. Are Disney comics ambassador of American culture, especially
now when they are no longer even published in US (I gather...), or just
fun to read?
Me, I don't know about culture and regard Donald & Scrooge & Co. as my
personal friends.
Teme
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #38
*****************************************
Don Rosa
Digest #38
Message 186 -
1999-02-26 at 08:58:07
From: Jan Follak
>>>>Subject: A Question concerning "Cutty Sark"
A question to Don Rosa:
I've just bought the new issue of the German "Micky Maus" that contains the
second and last part of your "Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark". ...
I'd like to know if there's some hint in a Barks story that gave you the
idea to write the story, as it was the case with the stories from the
regular "Life of Scrooge"-series.
Not really. One of the whole points in the "Lo$" was to mention every last
possible Barks-fact about $crooge's early life that he ever hid in a story.
It was like a giant fanboy puzzle-project for me to fit all those facts into
one storyline and *still* build a hopefully entertaining story around the
constraints that challenge put on me. But now I only do more "Lo$" stories
because I *love* doing them. Of course, they will still generally fit Barks'
framework... for instance, in this story in 1883, $crooge is in the Montana
cattle industry because Barks *said* he was during this period (in "Only a
Poor Old Man"). And I'm sure I slipped a few other references to Barks
stories in there someplace... but the plot itself has nothing to do with any
specific Barks reference.
From: Stefan Dios:
>in page 7 of the
>story, when Magica appears in front of the Beagle Boys: a rough
>back-translation from Italian to English might be the following:
>BB: "It's that witch from Italy!"
>MDS: "I'm a *sorceress*, you ignorant!"
>BB: "You are a *witch*! Not only do you weigh as a duck! You *are* a duck!"
(to which Stefan replied:)
>>>It seems I have mislaid my copies of Don Rosa's original dialog for "A
Little Something Special", so I can't tell you his exact wording of this
passage
It can be found in the Gladstone version in THE ADVENTUROUS UNCLE $CROOGE
McDUCK (or whatever that unwieldy title was) #2... and it happens, if I
recall, to be just about exactly as it is translated above. Well, with the
addition of "as much as" between "weigh" and "duck". I had two purposes
here. One, of course, was to make an extra gag for my fellow "MP and the
Holy Grail" fans, but first I was trying to help dispel the misconception
which has sprung up in the last 30 years of Euro-Duck stories that Magica
DeSpell is a witch rather than an amatuer *sorceress*. She is not as
omnipotent as she is depicted (otherwise, why would she need $crooge's Dime
at all? She could just create all the money she wanted with a wave of a
magic wand!). She is a sorceress... someone using tools and arcane knowledge
to do her tricks, not built-in magic powers. I also tried to develop that
idea in her talk with the Cairo magic-merchant, and had him explaining (to
the reader) that Magica needs $crooge's Dime because she is too poor to be
able to buy the spells or amulets that would create money for her. When I
use Magica, notice she escapes on an airplane, not on a witches' broom! But
people like Stefan have explained to me that this is a difficult distinction
to make in European languages where there is no linguistic distinction
between a "witch" and a "sorcerer-ess".
From: DeanMary:
>>>Along with collecting Disney Duck comic books, I also collect many
different Duck items. Some of these include: toys, clocks, watches,
clothes, plates, mugs, figurines, ornaments, etc., etc.
We are from the US and have never been to Scandinavia before. I was
wondering if someone on the list could give me some advice on where to
find Donald and Scrooge items? Are there particular stores or types of
stores to look in? Or is Disney Duck stuff just everywhere?
When I first started visiting Europe, the home of Donald-lovers, almost 10
years ago, I *also* was expecting to find bazillions of Duck figurines to
add to my vast collection. But that's NOT the case! And as near as I can
tell, it's for a "good" (?) reason. In America, where they don't understand
Donald, Disney and the merchandisers assume he is for lil' kiddies, and you
can find Donald toys of all sorts (well, not as many as some years ago, but
still a few). In Europe, however, Donald is the character in comics which
have stories that are aimed at at least 10-12 year olds minimum, and are
mostly read by teenagers, the same age that in America are reading the
ultra-violent, ultra-vapid super-hero stuff. Therefore, they don't make
Donald toys because the Donald fans don't play with toys. Also, the whole
system is not set up as a consumer-paradise for spoiling children, as in
America. Euro toy stores look like a place where you'd want to take a
child... the walls are not lined with over-priced and grotesque "action
figures" with arsenals of plastic weapons. So, don't worry about losing
lotsa dollars on Ducks in Scandanavia.
But you collect Duck figurines??? In this same Digest someone was talking
about what nice drawings he thinks I do for Duckfans --- I love to swap
full-color drawings for Duck figurines if you have something I need. (See,
I'm not trying to help you buy *more* Ducks... I'm trying to relieve you of
some that you already *have*! Wotta pal!)
>>>>Subject: A Question concerning "Cutty Sark"
A question to Don Rosa:
I've just bought the new issue of the German "Micky Maus" that contains the
second and last part of your "Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark". ...
I'd like to know if there's some hint in a Barks story that gave you the
idea to write the story, as it was the case with the stories from the
regular "Life of Scrooge"-series.
Not really. One of the whole points in the "Lo$" was to mention every last
possible Barks-fact about $crooge's early life that he ever hid in a story.
It was like a giant fanboy puzzle-project for me to fit all those facts into
one storyline and *still* build a hopefully entertaining story around the
constraints that challenge put on me. But now I only do more "Lo$" stories
because I *love* doing them. Of course, they will still generally fit Barks'
framework... for instance, in this story in 1883, $crooge is in the Montana
cattle industry because Barks *said* he was during this period (in "Only a
Poor Old Man"). And I'm sure I slipped a few other references to Barks
stories in there someplace... but the plot itself has nothing to do with any
specific Barks reference.
From: Stefan Dios:
>in page 7 of the
>story, when Magica appears in front of the Beagle Boys: a rough
>back-translation from Italian to English might be the following:
>BB: "It's that witch from Italy!"
>MDS: "I'm a *sorceress*, you ignorant!"
>BB: "You are a *witch*! Not only do you weigh as a duck! You *are* a duck!"
(to which Stefan replied:)
>>>It seems I have mislaid my copies of Don Rosa's original dialog for "A
Little Something Special", so I can't tell you his exact wording of this
passage
It can be found in the Gladstone version in THE ADVENTUROUS UNCLE $CROOGE
McDUCK (or whatever that unwieldy title was) #2... and it happens, if I
recall, to be just about exactly as it is translated above. Well, with the
addition of "as much as" between "weigh" and "duck". I had two purposes
here. One, of course, was to make an extra gag for my fellow "MP and the
Holy Grail" fans, but first I was trying to help dispel the misconception
which has sprung up in the last 30 years of Euro-Duck stories that Magica
DeSpell is a witch rather than an amatuer *sorceress*. She is not as
omnipotent as she is depicted (otherwise, why would she need $crooge's Dime
at all? She could just create all the money she wanted with a wave of a
magic wand!). She is a sorceress... someone using tools and arcane knowledge
to do her tricks, not built-in magic powers. I also tried to develop that
idea in her talk with the Cairo magic-merchant, and had him explaining (to
the reader) that Magica needs $crooge's Dime because she is too poor to be
able to buy the spells or amulets that would create money for her. When I
use Magica, notice she escapes on an airplane, not on a witches' broom! But
people like Stefan have explained to me that this is a difficult distinction
to make in European languages where there is no linguistic distinction
between a "witch" and a "sorcerer-ess".
From: DeanMary:
>>>Along with collecting Disney Duck comic books, I also collect many
different Duck items. Some of these include: toys, clocks, watches,
clothes, plates, mugs, figurines, ornaments, etc., etc.
We are from the US and have never been to Scandinavia before. I was
wondering if someone on the list could give me some advice on where to
find Donald and Scrooge items? Are there particular stores or types of
stores to look in? Or is Disney Duck stuff just everywhere?
When I first started visiting Europe, the home of Donald-lovers, almost 10
years ago, I *also* was expecting to find bazillions of Duck figurines to
add to my vast collection. But that's NOT the case! And as near as I can
tell, it's for a "good" (?) reason. In America, where they don't understand
Donald, Disney and the merchandisers assume he is for lil' kiddies, and you
can find Donald toys of all sorts (well, not as many as some years ago, but
still a few). In Europe, however, Donald is the character in comics which
have stories that are aimed at at least 10-12 year olds minimum, and are
mostly read by teenagers, the same age that in America are reading the
ultra-violent, ultra-vapid super-hero stuff. Therefore, they don't make
Donald toys because the Donald fans don't play with toys. Also, the whole
system is not set up as a consumer-paradise for spoiling children, as in
America. Euro toy stores look like a place where you'd want to take a
child... the walls are not lined with over-priced and grotesque "action
figures" with arsenals of plastic weapons. So, don't worry about losing
lotsa dollars on Ducks in Scandanavia.
But you collect Duck figurines??? In this same Digest someone was talking
about what nice drawings he thinks I do for Duckfans --- I love to swap
full-color drawings for Duck figurines if you have something I need. (See,
I'm not trying to help you buy *more* Ducks... I'm trying to relieve you of
some that you already *have*! Wotta pal!)
Dominik Altevogt
Don Rosa Comcindex
Message 187 -
1999-02-26 at 13:53:43
Hi,
I am looking for some people who could help me creating a complete index of
the French and Italien Don Rosa Comics. This index is supposed to be added
to the Don Rosa Comicindex in Version 4.1. If anybody is interested email me
privatly at (Email removed)
Thanks
Dominik Altevogt
http://www.duckhunt.de
I am looking for some people who could help me creating a complete index of
the French and Italien Don Rosa Comics. This index is supposed to be added
to the Don Rosa Comicindex in Version 4.1. If anybody is interested email me
privatly at (Email removed)
Thanks
Dominik Altevogt
http://www.duckhunt.de
Berglund
Disney comics Digest V99 #38
Message 188 -
1999-02-26 at 14:22:55
STEFAN:
The Python reference is very gone (anyway, when I first read that line
in swedish, I thought
Don was trying to point out that she *was* nothing more than a regular
duck who knew some spells). Which kind of made sense to me...I think...
hmmm....
Anyway, (I'm sure I won't be the only one providing this information on
this list but...)
The witch scene from "Monty Python And The Holy Grail" (I believe it
aired quite recently
on swedish television, btw) is one of the most famous scenes from that
film (I recall a
certain "knights-who-say-NI" pun from the very same film used in the
"black knight" story,
remember Stefan? ;-)
It's a rather long scene with lots of dialogue (I mailed selected parts
of the script to you so that this message won't disturb the list) but
it's all about a bunch of villagers trying to figure out whether a
peasant girl is a witch or not:
--SCROLL DOWN IF YOU'RE NOT INTERSTED IN "DUCK-WITCH"
REFERENCES----(it's funny, though)--
BEDEMIR: Tell me, what do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
CROWD: Burn, burn them up!
BEDEMIR: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEMIR: So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of wood...?
BEDEMIR: Good!
CROWD: Oh yeah, yeah...
BEDEMIR: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEMIR: Aah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #2: Oh, yeah.
BEDEMIR: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1: No, no.
VILLAGER #2: It floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
CROWD: The pond!
BEDEMIR: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Very small rocks! VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Great gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Churches -- churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead -- lead!
ARTHUR: A duck.
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEMIR: Exactly! So, logically...,
VILLAGER #1: If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of
wood.
BEDEMIR: And therefore--?
VILLAGER #1: A witch!
---------END OF SCRIPT CLIP---------------------
/Martin Berglund
Malmo, Sweden
The Python reference is very gone (anyway, when I first read that line
in swedish, I thought
Don was trying to point out that she *was* nothing more than a regular
duck who knew some spells). Which kind of made sense to me...I think...
hmmm....
Anyway, (I'm sure I won't be the only one providing this information on
this list but...)
The witch scene from "Monty Python And The Holy Grail" (I believe it
aired quite recently
on swedish television, btw) is one of the most famous scenes from that
film (I recall a
certain "knights-who-say-NI" pun from the very same film used in the
"black knight" story,
remember Stefan? ;-)
It's a rather long scene with lots of dialogue (I mailed selected parts
of the script to you so that this message won't disturb the list) but
it's all about a bunch of villagers trying to figure out whether a
peasant girl is a witch or not:
--SCROLL DOWN IF YOU'RE NOT INTERSTED IN "DUCK-WITCH"
REFERENCES----(it's funny, though)--
BEDEMIR: Tell me, what do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
CROWD: Burn, burn them up!
BEDEMIR: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEMIR: So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of wood...?
BEDEMIR: Good!
CROWD: Oh yeah, yeah...
BEDEMIR: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEMIR: Aah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #2: Oh, yeah.
BEDEMIR: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1: No, no.
VILLAGER #2: It floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
CROWD: The pond!
BEDEMIR: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Very small rocks! VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Great gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Churches -- churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead -- lead!
ARTHUR: A duck.
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEMIR: Exactly! So, logically...,
VILLAGER #1: If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of
wood.
BEDEMIR: And therefore--?
VILLAGER #1: A witch!
---------END OF SCRIPT CLIP---------------------
/Martin Berglund
Malmo, Sweden
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Article
Message 189 -
1999-02-26 at 15:46:57
Hello
I just got a package from ECC (Egmont), it contains some material on the
jubilee of our weekly (next thursday), I am gonna write an article to our
very local newspaper about it...
Deadline is btw monday, so any help would be appreciated as I'm in a
hurry...
The magazine contains the first half of Don's new story (which by first
look, looks great)
It brings a copy of the very first issue, and has a card which one can send
and receive a book with the first 10 issues (just like in Sweden, Stefan...
but Mr. Stegelmann wrote the foreword) I ordered that too...
and the package also had a new comic (blue, where the Donald-one was red,
and the Scrooge one gold) with 10 classic Barks, of wish some of them I
haven't got... and it's kinda cheap...
The info is good too...
Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);
(Email removed)
I just got a package from ECC (Egmont), it contains some material on the
jubilee of our weekly (next thursday), I am gonna write an article to our
very local newspaper about it...
Deadline is btw monday, so any help would be appreciated as I'm in a
hurry...
The magazine contains the first half of Don's new story (which by first
look, looks great)
It brings a copy of the very first issue, and has a card which one can send
and receive a book with the first 10 issues (just like in Sweden, Stefan...
but Mr. Stegelmann wrote the foreword) I ordered that too...
and the package also had a new comic (blue, where the Donald-one was red,
and the Scrooge one gold) with 10 classic Barks, of wish some of them I
haven't got... and it's kinda cheap...
The info is good too...
Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);
(Email removed)
Mike Schneiderath
Gerrman album correction
Message 190 -
1999-02-26 at 19:04:24
Ups..I need to correct my own mesage:
>Ehapa just released the 20th German Scrooge Album by Don Rosa.
>the featured Stories are (in one part version)
>-D96203: Attack of the Hideos space Varmints - "Reisende durch die
Ewigkeit!
That is not true th version used in the Album is the three part version
(So the french Picsou is still the only comic which had the one part
verision inside if i am not mistaken!)
ike
-------
www.duckhunt.de
>Ehapa just released the 20th German Scrooge Album by Don Rosa.
>the featured Stories are (in one part version)
>-D96203: Attack of the Hideos space Varmints - "Reisende durch die
Ewigkeit!
That is not true th version used in the Album is the three part version
(So the french Picsou is still the only comic which had the one part
verision inside if i am not mistaken!)
ike
-------
www.duckhunt.de
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V99 #38
Message 191 -
1999-02-26 at 19:50:48
CHRISTIAN:
>It's truly amazing, how detailed and ready-for-press the Don Rosa
>sketches look... Unlike other artists, who produce a crude bunch of
>hacked-together lines and call that a drawing, leaving the fan with that
>feeling like "there you go, that's all you're gonna get for free". Don
>is the only artist that I know, whose drawings at a fan convention
>actually look like those seen published in the media.
Ah, you've stumbled upon one of the dire shortcomings of many professional
comics artists: the inability to provide professional results on the spot
for no pay! Yes, this is an area that needs immediate attention, as optimum
performance must come from creators at every turn; nothing short of
perfection will be accepted!
Okay, okay, the above is a bit snide and unfair, but so is measuring the
efforts of other artists by what one particular artist can accomplish. Many
artists are simply not equipped to produce polished drawings "live", much
the same way many musicians can't reproduce on stage what they create in
the studio. What may appear to be "a crude bunch of hacked-together lines"
to you may very well be the best they can reasonably do under the
circumstances. And I don't just mean due to there being no renumeration:
for instance, there's also little time to think or plan, no chance to work
things out in thumbnail or in any other preliminary sense, or to work and
rework at pencil before going to ink. In short, the environment is totally
foreign to their normal working conditions. And, to get back to
renumeration, so many of them are painfully aware that each sketch they do
for purposes of goodwill is one that is not paying their bills (which do
not wait for goodwill to pay off).
That Don Rosa can bring the full weight of his professional faculties to
bear in the midst of public attention is admirable, and no doubt the envy
of many of his colleagues. But if he has set the standard to which you
intend to hold convention sketching as a whole, you've set yourself up for
a lifetime of steady disappointments. Is it worth it?
Gary
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"Who Knows Whose Nose Sniffs the Rose I Chose" - old sourdough song title
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
>It's truly amazing, how detailed and ready-for-press the Don Rosa
>sketches look... Unlike other artists, who produce a crude bunch of
>hacked-together lines and call that a drawing, leaving the fan with that
>feeling like "there you go, that's all you're gonna get for free". Don
>is the only artist that I know, whose drawings at a fan convention
>actually look like those seen published in the media.
Ah, you've stumbled upon one of the dire shortcomings of many professional
comics artists: the inability to provide professional results on the spot
for no pay! Yes, this is an area that needs immediate attention, as optimum
performance must come from creators at every turn; nothing short of
perfection will be accepted!
Okay, okay, the above is a bit snide and unfair, but so is measuring the
efforts of other artists by what one particular artist can accomplish. Many
artists are simply not equipped to produce polished drawings "live", much
the same way many musicians can't reproduce on stage what they create in
the studio. What may appear to be "a crude bunch of hacked-together lines"
to you may very well be the best they can reasonably do under the
circumstances. And I don't just mean due to there being no renumeration:
for instance, there's also little time to think or plan, no chance to work
things out in thumbnail or in any other preliminary sense, or to work and
rework at pencil before going to ink. In short, the environment is totally
foreign to their normal working conditions. And, to get back to
renumeration, so many of them are painfully aware that each sketch they do
for purposes of goodwill is one that is not paying their bills (which do
not wait for goodwill to pay off).
That Don Rosa can bring the full weight of his professional faculties to
bear in the midst of public attention is admirable, and no doubt the envy
of many of his colleagues. But if he has set the standard to which you
intend to hold convention sketching as a whole, you've set yourself up for
a lifetime of steady disappointments. Is it worth it?
Gary
****************************
"Who Knows Whose Nose Sniffs the Rose I Chose" - old sourdough song title
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com
Mike Schneiderath
Sorry my mistake!
Message 192 -
1999-02-26 at 21:20:42
Err....sorry to bother you again!
but I have to correct my latest statement again (maybe it would be best i=
f
you just pretend you haven=B4t read my last mail ;-)
Anyway, there is no real 1 part version of the Hideous space varmints sto=
ry
of Don, only a little bit restructured splash panels.
And the new version that appears in Ehapa=B4s new Rosa Album is exactly t=
he
one with the restructured splash panels!
So plase apologize my last message! Ehapa is printing the right one part
versions of the stories in the current album!
Mike Schneiderath
----------------------
but I have to correct my latest statement again (maybe it would be best i=
f
you just pretend you haven=B4t read my last mail ;-)
Anyway, there is no real 1 part version of the Hideous space varmints sto=
ry
of Don, only a little bit restructured splash panels.
And the new version that appears in Ehapa=B4s new Rosa Album is exactly t=
he
one with the restructured splash panels!
So plase apologize my last message! Ehapa is printing the right one part
versions of the stories in the current album!
Mike Schneiderath
----------------------
Stefan Diös
Onkel Joakim
Message 193 -
1999-02-27 at 19:42:34
Thanks, everyone who supplied information on Scrooge's early Danish
appearances. Let's just see if I got everything right... he was first in
Anders And 49-06 (from WDC 98), then in AA 51-06 (WDC 123, not Barks), and
AA 51-08 (WDC 124); and he was always called "Onkel Joakim / Joakim von
And". If anyone has corrections to this, please inform me immediately. For
example, I don't think I have the non-Barks appearance (AA 51-06) absolutely
confirmed.
Since these stories should correspond to the Swedish Kalle Anka 49-03,
51-07, and 51-08, respectively; where Scrooge had a different name in the
49-03 story; it seems like the Danes were the first to name the character
"Joakim", and then the Swedes for some reason chose to use the Danish name.
I still don't know what might have inspired the name in the first place, and
I doubt that I'll ever find out.
Thanks again, all my Danish friends, for helping me out! (I need this for a
Swedish article, which I don't think will be used in Denmark.)
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
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appearances. Let's just see if I got everything right... he was first in
Anders And 49-06 (from WDC 98), then in AA 51-06 (WDC 123, not Barks), and
AA 51-08 (WDC 124); and he was always called "Onkel Joakim / Joakim von
And". If anyone has corrections to this, please inform me immediately. For
example, I don't think I have the non-Barks appearance (AA 51-06) absolutely
confirmed.
Since these stories should correspond to the Swedish Kalle Anka 49-03,
51-07, and 51-08, respectively; where Scrooge had a different name in the
49-03 story; it seems like the Danes were the first to name the character
"Joakim", and then the Swedes for some reason chose to use the Danish name.
I still don't know what might have inspired the name in the first place, and
I doubt that I'll ever find out.
Thanks again, all my Danish friends, for helping me out! (I need this for a
Swedish article, which I don't think will be used in Denmark.)
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #39
*****************************************
Michael Naiman
Barks Birthday
Message 194 -
1999-02-27 at 21:19:02
Once again another reminder,...maybe a few of the ML
readers/lurkers/contributors can send one LESS message to the list and one
MORE message to Carl via my e-mail?? Or you can send a card to me directly.
I'm sure that Carl would like to know he's still appreciated by one and all!
Thanks...the badgering will continue for a few more weeks...
Michael
(no snappy lines or sayings here)
readers/lurkers/contributors can send one LESS message to the list and one
MORE message to Carl via my e-mail?? Or you can send a card to me directly.
I'm sure that Carl would like to know he's still appreciated by one and all!
Thanks...the badgering will continue for a few more weeks...
Michael
(no snappy lines or sayings here)
Francois Willot
Picsou, Zio Paperone, Joakim, Dagobert etc.
Message 195 -
1999-02-27 at 21:26:10
Stefan Dios wrote:
>Thanks, everyone who supplied information on Scrooge's early Danish
>appearances. Let's just see if I got everything right... he was first >i=
n Anders And 49-06 (from WDC 98), then in AA 51-06 (WDC 123,
>not Barks), and AA 51-08 (WDC 124); and he was always called
>"Onkel Joakim / Joakim von And". If anyone has corrections to
>this, please inform me immediately. For example, I don't think I
>have the non-Barks appearance (AA 51-06) absolutely confirmed.
Everything you say is confirmed by the index I found at Per's ftp site.
The fourth US appearance is (according to that index):
AA51-08n 8 @ GD [app:GU,US,PE]
which looks like a Grandma Duck story published in WDC.
(Maybe:
W WDC 125-04 8 BMo GD [app:US,PE][desc:US
hires Pete to swindle
| GD]
).
We once talked on this mailing list about the first non-Barks
appearances of Scrooge in the Western comics.
I've heard that in the French "Hardi presente Donald" weekly in the
beginning of the 50s (in 1951 I think) a few Taliaferro gags with
Scrooge were published. I think this also is mentionned in Alberto
Becattini's Red book. Unfortunately, I've never seen the issues of
"Hardi pr=E9sente Donald" in question.
Does someone know how many strips with Scrooge were drawn by Taliaferro
at this time, and the exact dates?
Patrick Malone wrote:
>I've been told by Rich Bellacera that some of the minor characters
>in the shorts were carried over into the comics; characters like
>Giddy Goat and Percy Pig. I was wondering if anyone else knoew of
>any other of the minor characters that got their start in the shorts
>but went on to a better life in the comics.
I know nothing about the cartoons, but I vaguely remember that "Brutus",
a sort of bulldog who appeared in several Sunday pages by Gonzales with
Pluto, and in other comics as well (some Murry stories?), was created in
the shorts.
Francois
>Thanks, everyone who supplied information on Scrooge's early Danish
>appearances. Let's just see if I got everything right... he was first >i=
n Anders And 49-06 (from WDC 98), then in AA 51-06 (WDC 123,
>not Barks), and AA 51-08 (WDC 124); and he was always called
>"Onkel Joakim / Joakim von And". If anyone has corrections to
>this, please inform me immediately. For example, I don't think I
>have the non-Barks appearance (AA 51-06) absolutely confirmed.
Everything you say is confirmed by the index I found at Per's ftp site.
The fourth US appearance is (according to that index):
AA51-08n 8 @ GD [app:GU,US,PE]
which looks like a Grandma Duck story published in WDC.
(Maybe:
W WDC 125-04 8 BMo GD [app:US,PE][desc:US
hires Pete to swindle
| GD]
).
We once talked on this mailing list about the first non-Barks
appearances of Scrooge in the Western comics.
I've heard that in the French "Hardi presente Donald" weekly in the
beginning of the 50s (in 1951 I think) a few Taliaferro gags with
Scrooge were published. I think this also is mentionned in Alberto
Becattini's Red book. Unfortunately, I've never seen the issues of
"Hardi pr=E9sente Donald" in question.
Does someone know how many strips with Scrooge were drawn by Taliaferro
at this time, and the exact dates?
Patrick Malone wrote:
>I've been told by Rich Bellacera that some of the minor characters
>in the shorts were carried over into the comics; characters like
>Giddy Goat and Percy Pig. I was wondering if anyone else knoew of
>any other of the minor characters that got their start in the shorts
>but went on to a better life in the comics.
I know nothing about the cartoons, but I vaguely remember that "Brutus",
a sort of bulldog who appeared in several Sunday pages by Gonzales with
Pluto, and in other comics as well (some Murry stories?), was created in
the shorts.
Francois