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At 2000-02-10 22:16 +0000, Francois Willot wrote:
> > >Hi Frank, I have obtained a French comic entitled Le Journal De Mickey
> > >1934. First issue No 1. "L' Hebdomadaire Des Jeunes".
> > >If you cold give me any information and approximate value, It would be
> > >greatly appreciated. It has 4 pages with a colour cover and back.
>
>This issue happens to be listed in the Disney Comics Database:

Well, while I thank you and appreciate your effort for the search (which I
didn't do myself not simply because I'm lazy but because I saw no point), I
assume that if the guy HAS the issue, it won't do him much good if we just
retell him what stories are in it! ;-)

I can't speak for him, but I presume he's after info such as (I am making
this up): this was the first Disney publication in France, this title has
been going on since 1934 until now with only one interruption in 1940-45
and the numbering scheme has never restarted since, this thing used to sell
10 million copies on a good day during 1972, the first editor-in-chief was
Victor Hugo -- you know, that sort of stuff ;-)

Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano/) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/

At 2000-02-11 11:32 +0000, Francois Willot wrote:
>But sometimes, and here it was the case, these lists also give
>information about the origin of the stories, the authors, translators,
>etc. that are not directly visible from the publication itself (if you
>don't know much about Disney comics at least).

OK, this is a valid point, you're right, so I'll pass this on.

Frank (http://i.am/filologo.disneyano/) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms/

Both Archontis and Fluks sez somethin' like this
> are not elements of my relevant sample space. :-) QED :-)
What's QED???
BTW i said somethin' before about the TV show. I forgot to tell somethin'
else. The hall was filled by real persons as audience and DD&DD are only
"holograms"???, anyone know what event was this show for?

Thanks,
Arie Fachrisal:-)

One day in the editorial offices of PINKY PIG COMICS:

"Gentlemen, PINKY PIG used to be the best-selling comic book here in the
Duchy of East Fenwick!"
"It still is, right?"
"Well, yes, but sales are off. Our circulation is down to 100,000 copies
per week. We must be more aggressive and find out why this is! Obviously
there's something wrong!"
"I thought sales of all juvenile literature was dropping due to TV and
videogames and all that crap? Perhaps we should just make sure that the
quality of Pinky Pig is as good as we can do. We should try to insure that
everyone in East Fenwick knows that PINKY PIG is as good for all ages as it
always was and they will continue to read it all their lives, even into
their college years and then be eager to soon pass it on to their children
as a tradition. Just like when we were kids."
"You're fired."
"Okay, now let's move on. What did the reader poll say was the most popular
story last week?"
"Well, 80% said their favorite stories were the ones other than that one
that contained all the history references."
"Okay, no more of that stuff."
"Wait... I know I'm fired... but doesn't that mean that 20% thought the
story with all the history was their *favorite*? What about them? They
would seem to be our older, smarter and most loyal readers if they are
still buying PINKY after they outgrew most of it!"
"Are you still here? Somebody call security!"
"Okay, it's settled -- no more stories with historical references. Done.
We'll give the majority of the readers what they want! It's the path to
success!"
----------------------------------------
SIX MONTHS LATER:
"Gentlemen, I don't understand it, but even though we are giving the
readers of PINKY PIG *exactly* what they want, our sales have dropped off
to 80,000!"
"It doesn't make sense! It baffles science!"
"Obviously we're doing something wrong. We need to make sure we are giving
the majority of our readers what they want! What was the most popular story
last week?"
"75% of the readers seemed to like the stories with words less than three
syllables long. Only 25% preferred the more sophisticated texts."
"Okay, then -- that's our mistake! Make sure all the stories are written on
a very simple level... no challenge for the readers. It can't miss!"
-----------------------------------------
SIX MONTHS LATER:
"Gentlemen, it's inexplicable, but our sales are now down to 60,000! We
must refine our approach further!"
"You're gonna ask me about the reader poll, aren't you? Okay, last week
most positive comments were on two stories.. the story about the dinosaurs
was popular, and the
story about Pinky playing soccer was popular... the other stories were
favorites with fewer readers."
"Okay, there's your answer! We'll hit it this time for sure!"
-----------------------------------------
ONE YEAR LATER:
"Gentlemen, I have wonderful news!!! Our sales have levelled off! We gave
the majority of the readers what they wanted, and it finally worked! We did
the right thing! The American system of appealing to the 'lowest common
denominator' is a proven marketing tool! Just look at the American comics
industry!"
"What American comics industry? The last violent, mutated, vigilante,
pantomime, American super-hero comic went out of publication years ago!
Didn't you know?"
"What? Something in America that was unsuccessful? Who knew? Well, then how
are all those other European comics doing?"
"Well, their sales are not what they used to be, but they're holding up.
See, I have the latest copy of DANDY DOG right here."
"What? Don't tell me you read that stuff!"
"Oh, not the whole issue! Some of it is done for younger children. But
there's plenty in each issue for everyone in the family! We pass it all
around."
"Really? My teenagers used to read PINKY PIG, but they stopped. And that
made their younger brothers and sisters eager to stop reading, also... kids
are in such a rush to grow up, y'know. They pay a lot of attention to such
things as what older kids think and do."
"Didn't your brother Tom have a baby recently? Why didn't he buy a
subscription to PINKY PIG right away?"
"Well, I asked him why he didn't, like our parents did for us, and he said
it just never occured to him. He'd stopped reading PINKY PIG years ago when
we stopped using his favorite sorts of stories along with the others."
"Bah -- comic book freaks -- don't listen to them!!! We don't work for
them! We work for the majority of the readers! So... what did the reader
poll tell us was the readers' favorite story last week? As I recall, we had
our usual five stories about Pinky Pig playing soccer in the Lost World
while he turned into a lizard and walked sideways on the walls, and the
stories were all told in pantomime in panels that looked like video-game
screens."
"Yes. And 100% of the readers responded to the poll! But only one of them
said that his favorite story was the one that was two pages long."
"That means that our other two readers preferred the stories that were only
one page long. No more two page stories! There you have it! Stick to this
system and PINKY PIG will start catching on again *any day*!"
(This apparently was the final editorial conference for PINKY PIG COMICS.)

At 8:43 AM -0500 2/11/00, Don Rosa wrote:
>One day in the editorial offices of PINKY PIG COMICS:

(snip)

>"That means that our other two readers preferred the stories that were only
>one page long. No more two page stories! There you have it! Stick to this
>system and PINKY PIG will start catching on again *any day*!"
>(This apparently was the final editorial conference for PINKY PIG COMICS.)

Thereby proving once again that the root of great comedy is great tragedy... ;D

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>At 2000-02-11 11:32 +0000, Francois Willot wrote:
>>But sometimes, and here it was the case, these lists also give
>>information about the origin of the stories, the authors, translators,
>>etc. that are not directly visible from the publication itself (if you
>>don't know much about Disney comics at least).
>
>OK, this is a valid point, you're right, so I'll pass this on.

Well, you're right of course that this doesn't give much information on
the actual publication.

The first issues of "Le journal de Mickey" is from october 21, 1934
(with a #01 in june and a "02 in october 14th), the last issue (with
Disney comics) is #389 from 1942.
The idea of the "Journal de Mickey" comes from Paul Winkler, who owned
the rights for KFS in Europe.
After #389, the issue was retitled "Le journal de Mickey et Hop L?!
r?unis", but doesn't contain any Disney comic.

The rarest of all issue probably is #296 (it is said that one or two
issues are known to exist). It was published the day after Germany
invaded France.
After #296, the magazine was published in Marseille, by Paul Winkler's
wife (Paul Winkler had to go the US).
It reappeared in 1952, though a clone of it, "Hardi pr?sente Donald" was
published from 1947 to 1953.

Before the "Journal de Mickey", a few books with Mickey dailies were
published by Hachette from 1930 up to the 50s, and in the newspaper "Le
petit parisien" in october 1930.

Francois (http://www2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/coa/index.uk.html)

Frank :
>Someone I don't know sent me the following query in private mail. Sounds a
>bit like an investor, and I don't care much for that race (so ignore the
>bit about value). On the other hand he might just like the comics (there's
>always hope), so if anyone has any info on the comic itself please reply to
>the list since that's always interesting anyway.

Unknown invester :
>>Hi Frank, I have obtained a French comic entitled Le Journal De Mickey
>>1934. First issue No 1. "L' Hebdomadaire Des Jeunes".
>>If you cold give me any information and approximate value, It would be
>>greatly appreciated. It has 4 pages with a colour cover and back.

Frank can't answer this question, so i'll try.
JACK POT ! man !

This issue value is up to 900$ :-))
If you find a purchaser ....

And of course if this is really the number one.
There is many facsimiles of this comics issue.
(facsimiles cost less than 2$ :-) )

On the place of Paris, one can find number one
for 100$.

Don't you know the number two is even rarer !

And i prefer not to tell anything about the numbers
published in the south of France during 1940-42.....

You want to know if you get a facsimile ?
If the dimensions of your comics are
37x25 cm ..... gulp ! It is a facsimile !

The real number on is even huge in size.

I have the privilege to get *two* copies of this
comic and one is to exchange with
an "vapor organ" ;-)
(You certainly can't have what i want)

ciao

oliv