Henri (welcome to the non-lurking dcml'ers! 8-)
> With some annoyance and much surprise I've
> been reading for the last days, the discussion of Donald
> being human. And everyone seems to agree....
I never wrote I agreed with Donald being human. I agree with the fact that
Don Rosa regards the Ducks to be human. That's a subtle difference...
(I myself think that Donald Duck is a comic character. And there's a cartoon
character with the same name and appearance.)
BTW, why would you be annoyed about a DCML discussion?
> Donald doesn't. Some nice oldies of the dutch Disney
> weekly give me proof ;-).
> Well, he's even insisting being a real duck and nothing else.
One could compare this with people's names: if Arthur de Wolf would be in a
comic story, he could insist that he is a wolf, or make jokes about wolves
being eaten. If a fluks would be an animal, I could insist on being a
fluks... 8-)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, Nederland
Author
Topic: 200002
(230 messages)
Fluks, H.W.
Donald doesn't think he's human....
Message 76 -
2000-02-07 at 10:44:19
Stahl, Joachim GE - EV
AW: DCML digest, Vol 1 #73 - 10 msgs
Message 77 -
2000-02-07 at 12:37:11
From: Joachim Stahl (j.stahl at ehapa.de)
Subject: Low-rating of "Cutty Sark"
Armando wrote:
>I'm curious... what was the comic-rating of the *first* part of the story ?
Just to see whether the "market-researched" readers were simply let down by
the story-ending, or they didn't like the story at all...<
The rating of the first part of "Cutty Sark" in MM 8/99 was 56 %, the rating
of the second part 55 %, so there was no real difference. BTW, 55 % is
exactly the average comic-rating in the German Weekly. So our readers didn't
think "Cutty Sark" sucked, but for them it was no highlight like most of Don
Rosa's non-historical stories either. And the rather disappointing rating of
"Cutty Sark" was no single case, as "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff" rated
even poorer and was one of the worst stories of all 1997. But maybe the
French will like the new "Lo$"-stories better than the majority of readers
in the Egmont-countries.
Joachim
Subject: Low-rating of "Cutty Sark"
Armando wrote:
>I'm curious... what was the comic-rating of the *first* part of the story ?
Just to see whether the "market-researched" readers were simply let down by
the story-ending, or they didn't like the story at all...<
The rating of the first part of "Cutty Sark" in MM 8/99 was 56 %, the rating
of the second part 55 %, so there was no real difference. BTW, 55 % is
exactly the average comic-rating in the German Weekly. So our readers didn't
think "Cutty Sark" sucked, but for them it was no highlight like most of Don
Rosa's non-historical stories either. And the rather disappointing rating of
"Cutty Sark" was no single case, as "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff" rated
even poorer and was one of the worst stories of all 1997. But maybe the
French will like the new "Lo$"-stories better than the majority of readers
in the Egmont-countries.
Joachim
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Arie, Egmont
Message 78 -
2000-02-07 at 14:01:28
ARIE
> > > Or maybe they are far too complicated for us Scandinavians?
> > The coin isn't too complicated I would say.
> May i know what's with this whole Scandinavian things? i mean how
come the
> stories which to be printed to Scandinavians are selected as though
they're
> a bunch of low IQs. Hey, don't get me wrong. No offense was meant and
that's
> the impression i got after reading that line.
The statement in the first line must be someway ironic, because
Scandinavians are not normally very stupid. We're just annoyed. But
we'll have to calm down and contact the back-issue department of
Picsou.
EGMONT
Okay then, let's leave Egmont in piece:-) They're doing really well
right now anyway, on the weekl?ies area I mean. till now we have 2
Barks published and two Scarpas coming up, and we've not even used 2
months of this year yet.
JOACHIM
It's sad that the newer Lo$ -chapters have got average ratings in the
MM-surveys. It tvitipicks me (expression from bambi, allthough I'm sure
I spell it wrong).
But anyway *I* think Don makes his story for the single reader, if one
person notes that detail about the second-biggest frog, it saves his
day:-) Because that detail was made for that person. so it's for a
possible minority, not a majority
I for one sometimes keep those ratings cards... because i collect stuff
with weekly-logos on it! (Next time I get one I'll scan it and send the
coupon). I hope there was no Rosa in the issue I got that rating-thing
with, cause that would be 0,00001 % more rating.
I myself loved the Pizen Bluff and Cutty Sark for some great details,
the stories and brilliant lines from the supporting charecters. Eg. the
running camera-gag im Cutty Sark was outstanding and the lines about
India and Indians in Pizen Bluff was very funny. Overrmore Pothole
invented comics in that latter story didn't he? So my rating of the two
would be 100, but the A matter of some Gravity was 100 % too.
I wonder how ratings are done... 55 %?? However does one get that
number... does that mean most readers set there X in the don't
know-field??
> > > Or maybe they are far too complicated for us Scandinavians?
> > The coin isn't too complicated I would say.
> May i know what's with this whole Scandinavian things? i mean how
come the
> stories which to be printed to Scandinavians are selected as though
they're
> a bunch of low IQs. Hey, don't get me wrong. No offense was meant and
that's
> the impression i got after reading that line.
The statement in the first line must be someway ironic, because
Scandinavians are not normally very stupid. We're just annoyed. But
we'll have to calm down and contact the back-issue department of
Picsou.
EGMONT
Okay then, let's leave Egmont in piece:-) They're doing really well
right now anyway, on the weekl?ies area I mean. till now we have 2
Barks published and two Scarpas coming up, and we've not even used 2
months of this year yet.
JOACHIM
It's sad that the newer Lo$ -chapters have got average ratings in the
MM-surveys. It tvitipicks me (expression from bambi, allthough I'm sure
I spell it wrong).
But anyway *I* think Don makes his story for the single reader, if one
person notes that detail about the second-biggest frog, it saves his
day:-) Because that detail was made for that person. so it's for a
possible minority, not a majority
I for one sometimes keep those ratings cards... because i collect stuff
with weekly-logos on it! (Next time I get one I'll scan it and send the
coupon). I hope there was no Rosa in the issue I got that rating-thing
with, cause that would be 0,00001 % more rating.
I myself loved the Pizen Bluff and Cutty Sark for some great details,
the stories and brilliant lines from the supporting charecters. Eg. the
running camera-gag im Cutty Sark was outstanding and the lines about
India and Indians in Pizen Bluff was very funny. Overrmore Pothole
invented comics in that latter story didn't he? So my rating of the two
would be 100, but the A matter of some Gravity was 100 % too.
I wonder how ratings are done... 55 %?? However does one get that
number... does that mean most readers set there X in the don't
know-field??
RMorris306
Why Is a Duck?
Message 79 -
2000-02-07 at 15:53:53
In a message dated 2/7/00 7:00:58 AM, Don Rosa writes:
<< There have been decades of human-caricatures such as Tintin
or Asterix and *many* others in Europe ... characters that are supposed to
be human but have impossible shapes... no human beings could actually be
shaped that way, but no one claims they are actually animated stuffed toys.
They are still humans. For some reason, in America, we have always only had
obvious humans and many characters who are too obviously animals such as
Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck. And since the human-caricature characters like
Donald are so few, Americans dump them all into one mix. "Daffy is a Duck.
Donald is a Duck." But that's obviously wrong to anyone who has read years
of Barks stories or Barks-style Donald stories. Or Mickey stories, too, for
that matter. >>
I agree with just about everything you've said, Don, except about
America's lack of human-caricature characters. Surely Charlie Brown and
Dilbert and Mr. Magoo and Homer Simpson (to name only a few very prominent cha
racters) look no more like real human beings than Asterix does. (Tintin is
drawn more realistically, though simply, and is about as close to a real
human being as C.C. Beck's Captain Marvel.) Yet we accept all these
cartoon/comics characters as being human when we read about or watch them,
and the others in their world. Snoopy is still a dog (as, for that matter, is
Pluto) in a way that Goofy and the Beagle Boys are not. Snoopy does do things
real dogs don't do (write, lead Scout troops, fantasize about being a World
War I flying ace), just as Bugs Bunny does things real rabbits don't do, but
Snoopy still lives in a doghouse, eats out of a bowl provided by Charlie
Brown, and (just barely) accepts "the round-headed kid" as his master.
Barks occasionally referred to Donald as a duck...in the Think Boxes
story, for instance...but that one specifically broke the boundaries between
humans and animals...
Rich Morrissey
<< There have been decades of human-caricatures such as Tintin
or Asterix and *many* others in Europe ... characters that are supposed to
be human but have impossible shapes... no human beings could actually be
shaped that way, but no one claims they are actually animated stuffed toys.
They are still humans. For some reason, in America, we have always only had
obvious humans and many characters who are too obviously animals such as
Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck. And since the human-caricature characters like
Donald are so few, Americans dump them all into one mix. "Daffy is a Duck.
Donald is a Duck." But that's obviously wrong to anyone who has read years
of Barks stories or Barks-style Donald stories. Or Mickey stories, too, for
that matter. >>
I agree with just about everything you've said, Don, except about
America's lack of human-caricature characters. Surely Charlie Brown and
Dilbert and Mr. Magoo and Homer Simpson (to name only a few very prominent cha
racters) look no more like real human beings than Asterix does. (Tintin is
drawn more realistically, though simply, and is about as close to a real
human being as C.C. Beck's Captain Marvel.) Yet we accept all these
cartoon/comics characters as being human when we read about or watch them,
and the others in their world. Snoopy is still a dog (as, for that matter, is
Pluto) in a way that Goofy and the Beagle Boys are not. Snoopy does do things
real dogs don't do (write, lead Scout troops, fantasize about being a World
War I flying ace), just as Bugs Bunny does things real rabbits don't do, but
Snoopy still lives in a doghouse, eats out of a bowl provided by Charlie
Brown, and (just barely) accepts "the round-headed kid" as his master.
Barks occasionally referred to Donald as a duck...in the Think Boxes
story, for instance...but that one specifically broke the boundaries between
humans and animals...
Rich Morrissey
Don Rosa
DCML digest, Vol 1 #75 - 10 msgs
Message 80 -
2000-02-07 at 16:04:01
From: "Arie Fachrisal"
re: "The 3C Ride Again"
>>>Have read it??? Does it mean that you already script it?
Yes, now I'm drawing it.
> And if I am allowed, I will probably try to do another "3C" story every
> year or so,
>>>"Another" 3C??? Another 3C story than the original or another 3C story
than
your pre-scripted 3C story?
??? Well, both. Eh? ??? Huh?
>>>BTW, can you enlighten me a little by telling me what will be the next
Lo$
story? Will it take time after or before the Lo$ saga? thanks
As with the previous three extra chapters, it will fit *inside* the "sage".
In between/among those 12 chapters.
re: "The 3C Ride Again"
>>>Have read it??? Does it mean that you already script it?
Yes, now I'm drawing it.
> And if I am allowed, I will probably try to do another "3C" story every
> year or so,
>>>"Another" 3C??? Another 3C story than the original or another 3C story
than
your pre-scripted 3C story?
??? Well, both. Eh? ??? Huh?
>>>BTW, can you enlighten me a little by telling me what will be the next
Lo$
story? Will it take time after or before the Lo$ saga? thanks
As with the previous three extra chapters, it will fit *inside* the "sage".
In between/among those 12 chapters.
Eta Beta
Arie needs a coupla books...
Message 81 -
2000-02-07 at 17:31:28
ARIE
>>a story I'm surprised nobody mentioned
>> (or maybe I missed that) is "The Duck That Never Was"...
>Isn't the real title "The Duck Who Never Was"???
Indeed, I was quoting from memory and, as it often does, it
failed me :-)
But you did recognize the story I was talking about, didn't you ?
>>(I'm a Capra fan, too)..
>Capra or Carpa??? Are you just sleepy or you just take a heavy dose of
>drugs? ;-)
>>I don't see any silver lining in this cloud...
>Lightning maybe??? Wow, you must be takin' somethin' ;-)
Ma'af, man, but you DO need a bit of advice...
First, I suggest you to be a bit more careful about how you address
people, even when it's apparently clear that you're joking, somebody
might just take it seriously...
Second, you might need a couple of books.
The first would be on American Cinema, where you would discover the
existence of Frank CAPRA, a great movie director who, among various
masterpieces, in 1946 made a movie titled "It's a wonderful life",
and if you get a chance of actually watching that movie, you may notice
a certain resemblance of its plot to that of Don's "The Duck WHO never
was"...
To be as clear as crystal, Don's story is a hommage to Frank Capra's
movie.
The second book, and that's really useful, I bought one myself long ago,
would be a dictionary of idiomatic phrases in English, where you would
discover that the phrase "Every cloud has a silver lining" means that
even in the worst situation one might find a positive angle, to put it
simple.
Lining = the covering of the inner surface of anything
And, here's another one for your crash course in idiomatics, which
BTW fits perfectly...
"Put it in your pipe and smoke it!"
:-))))
>BTW, in what city were you?
Oh, I've been mostly around Sumatra and, later, Bali, in Java I
just managed a rather short visit to Yogya and surroundings.
Selamat tinggal :-)
Eta Beta
>>a story I'm surprised nobody mentioned
>> (or maybe I missed that) is "The Duck That Never Was"...
>Isn't the real title "The Duck Who Never Was"???
Indeed, I was quoting from memory and, as it often does, it
failed me :-)
But you did recognize the story I was talking about, didn't you ?
>>(I'm a Capra fan, too)..
>Capra or Carpa??? Are you just sleepy or you just take a heavy dose of
>drugs? ;-)
>>I don't see any silver lining in this cloud...
>Lightning maybe??? Wow, you must be takin' somethin' ;-)
Ma'af, man, but you DO need a bit of advice...
First, I suggest you to be a bit more careful about how you address
people, even when it's apparently clear that you're joking, somebody
might just take it seriously...
Second, you might need a couple of books.
The first would be on American Cinema, where you would discover the
existence of Frank CAPRA, a great movie director who, among various
masterpieces, in 1946 made a movie titled "It's a wonderful life",
and if you get a chance of actually watching that movie, you may notice
a certain resemblance of its plot to that of Don's "The Duck WHO never
was"...
To be as clear as crystal, Don's story is a hommage to Frank Capra's
movie.
The second book, and that's really useful, I bought one myself long ago,
would be a dictionary of idiomatic phrases in English, where you would
discover that the phrase "Every cloud has a silver lining" means that
even in the worst situation one might find a positive angle, to put it
simple.
Lining = the covering of the inner surface of anything
And, here's another one for your crash course in idiomatics, which
BTW fits perfectly...
"Put it in your pipe and smoke it!"
:-))))
>BTW, in what city were you?
Oh, I've been mostly around Sumatra and, later, Bali, in Java I
just managed a rather short visit to Yogya and surroundings.
Selamat tinggal :-)
Eta Beta
Jan Follak
Kalevala, German ratings, Scarpa
Message 82 -
2000-02-07 at 21:34:18
To Harry Fluks/ Don Rosa (with spoiler warning):
I was surprised that Harry thought that Donald is a real dope in the
Kalevala-story. I was on the contrary very happy that Don gave him a more
important role than usual. Most extreme counter-example would be the "Lost
Library", where Donald is only watching TV instead of living life
first-hand and doesn't take part in the adventure that's really going on.
In the Kalevala-story Donald is the one who can enter the underworld, make
the ice freeze in which Louhi is buried and dig the musical instrument out
of the sea that V?in?moinen needs. On the other hand Scrooge's defects
become obvious. His love for money makes him as cold as the finnish scenery
he's acting in, and this doesn't help at all. So Donald does have some
qualities, because he is, as V?in?m?inen puts it (of course in iambic metre
and with alliteration): "klein an Klugheit, gro? an G?te", which means: not
very clever, but very kind and loving.
To Joachim Stahl:
The ratings of Rosa's stories in the German "Micky Maus" that you gave are
really fascinating. "The vigilante of Pizen Bluff" is one of my favourite
stories by Don, but the kids that buy MM don't seem to think so. Can you
give an example of a story from last year that was very popular? I'm still
reading my weekly MM, so I'll know it for sure. :-) The problem could be
that the "Micky Maus"-weekly is not the best place for Rosa's stories,
because it's mainly read by kids who buy there comics at newssstands or
supermarkets. But there still are the Rosa comic albums in Germany, sold at
bookshops and comic shops, at a higher price and with a lower amount of
printed issues. These seem to be popular enough. The German "Paperinik New
Adventures", "Der neue Phantomias" (which I like a lot), didn't work as a
newsstand title as well, but seems to sell better now as part of the "Ehapa
Comic Collection"-books. So that seems to be a similar case. Anyway, I'm
with the ones who prefer Don's history stories.
To all:
This week's "Micky Maus" #6 already features the new Gerstein/Scarpa story,
so Germany seems to be the first country to print it. There are a lot of
details which refer to old Gottfredson stories. Though I recognize them, I
can't identify all of them. I'd love to check out where they are coming
from, but unfortunately I don't have my "Ich Micky Maus"-books at hand (the
German equivalent to the "Io Topolino"-series). :-(
I was surprised that Harry thought that Donald is a real dope in the
Kalevala-story. I was on the contrary very happy that Don gave him a more
important role than usual. Most extreme counter-example would be the "Lost
Library", where Donald is only watching TV instead of living life
first-hand and doesn't take part in the adventure that's really going on.
In the Kalevala-story Donald is the one who can enter the underworld, make
the ice freeze in which Louhi is buried and dig the musical instrument out
of the sea that V?in?moinen needs. On the other hand Scrooge's defects
become obvious. His love for money makes him as cold as the finnish scenery
he's acting in, and this doesn't help at all. So Donald does have some
qualities, because he is, as V?in?m?inen puts it (of course in iambic metre
and with alliteration): "klein an Klugheit, gro? an G?te", which means: not
very clever, but very kind and loving.
To Joachim Stahl:
The ratings of Rosa's stories in the German "Micky Maus" that you gave are
really fascinating. "The vigilante of Pizen Bluff" is one of my favourite
stories by Don, but the kids that buy MM don't seem to think so. Can you
give an example of a story from last year that was very popular? I'm still
reading my weekly MM, so I'll know it for sure. :-) The problem could be
that the "Micky Maus"-weekly is not the best place for Rosa's stories,
because it's mainly read by kids who buy there comics at newssstands or
supermarkets. But there still are the Rosa comic albums in Germany, sold at
bookshops and comic shops, at a higher price and with a lower amount of
printed issues. These seem to be popular enough. The German "Paperinik New
Adventures", "Der neue Phantomias" (which I like a lot), didn't work as a
newsstand title as well, but seems to sell better now as part of the "Ehapa
Comic Collection"-books. So that seems to be a similar case. Anyway, I'm
with the ones who prefer Don's history stories.
To all:
This week's "Micky Maus" #6 already features the new Gerstein/Scarpa story,
so Germany seems to be the first country to print it. There are a lot of
details which refer to old Gottfredson stories. Though I recognize them, I
can't identify all of them. I'd love to check out where they are coming
from, but unfortunately I don't have my "Ich Micky Maus"-books at hand (the
German equivalent to the "Io Topolino"-series). :-(
Fluks, H.W.
Life story of Scrooge
Message 83 -
2000-02-07 at 21:53:31
Did someone already answer this? I don't remember.
Abdulmonem Abbas asked (Monday, December 20, 1999 9:09 PM):
> Hi every one ... I longing to read the life story of scrooge,
> but I don't
> know how can I get/buy them( in English version) , and I
> don't know their
> codes.. so please help me ??
A listing of all the stories and covers that can be regarded part of the
"Life of Scrooge" can be found on the web at:
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/lifeo.html
This page contains all known reprints in all countries. If the layout of the
index puzzles you, or if you can't reach the web, I can give you more
explanation in private mail.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, Nederland
I.N.D.U.C.K.S. - the Disney comics database
mailto:inducks at comic.com
http://here.is/inducks
Abdulmonem Abbas asked (Monday, December 20, 1999 9:09 PM):
> Hi every one ... I longing to read the life story of scrooge,
> but I don't
> know how can I get/buy them( in English version) , and I
> don't know their
> codes.. so please help me ??
A listing of all the stories and covers that can be regarded part of the
"Life of Scrooge" can be found on the web at:
http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/lifeo.html
This page contains all known reprints in all countries. If the layout of the
index puzzles you, or if you can't reach the web, I can give you more
explanation in private mail.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, Nederland
I.N.D.U.C.K.S. - the Disney comics database
mailto:inducks at comic.com
http://here.is/inducks
Henri Kunne
Donald thinks he's human....
Message 84 -
2000-02-08 at 00:21:31
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: dcml-admin at numerus.LING.UU.SE <dcml-admin at numerus.LING.UU.SE>
Aan: dcml at numerus.LING.UU.SE <dcml at numerus.LING.UU.SE>
Datum: maandag 7 februari 2000 12:10
Onderwerp: DCML digest, Vol 1 #75 - 10 msgs
>> From: "Henri Kunne" <HJC.Kunne at net.HCC.nl>
>> After lurking for quite a time, I feel compelled to break the
>> silence. With some annoyance and much surprise I've
>> been reading for the last days, the discussion of Donald
>> being human. And everyone seems to agree....
>> Donald doesn't.
>Well, duck isn't always a duck if you know what i mean. Sure DD and the
>"gang" were drawn in duck shapes. Sure they're ducks alright. But IMHO, the
>creators and artists (CB and DR included) likes to tell stories about DD
>and U$ in their daily adventures which --if you notice-- showed the readers
>how "human" can they be in emotions and thinkings. C'mon, guys The Golden
>Helmet where DD showed his "darker side" made me surprised and entertained.
>In short, what i'm tryin' to say is it's all about imaginary characters in
>our real world(else why CB and DR likes to include "human" historical and
>mythical stuffs in the "ducks" world).
That's correct. I'd put it this way (and that's something of an answer to
Don Rosa, one or two messages below): a fable is a story discussing,
and often ridiculising, human character traits. Even so, a fox in one fable
is always called and considered a fox, never a 'human'. Same for Donald
and his family - and, of course, Mickey, Goofy, etc. etc.
>Henri (welcome to the non-lurking dcml'ers! 8-)
>
>> With some annoyance and much surprise I've
>> been reading for the last days, the discussion of Donald
>> being human. And everyone seems to agree....
>
>I never wrote I agreed with Donald being human. I agree with the fact that
>Don Rosa regards the Ducks to be human. That's a subtle difference...
>(I myself think that Donald Duck is a comic character. And there's a
cartoon
>character with the same name and appearance.)
>
> BTW, why would you be annoyed about a DCML discussion?
I'm never annoyed about any discussion. I'm annoyed (by discovering)
that some people turn out to consider Donald a human. That's a
subtle difference, too....
>> Donald doesn't. Some nice oldies of the dutch Disney
>> weekly give me proof ;-).
>> Well, he's even insisting being a real duck and nothing else.
>
>One could compare this with people's names: if Arthur de Wolf would be in a
>comic story, he could insist that he is a wolf, or make jokes about wolves
>being eaten. If a fluks would be an animal, I could insist on being a
>fluks... 8-)
Sorry, this argument doesn't hold water, but that's not your mistake, it's
mine. I should have said that in the original Dutch, "duck" is never used,
it's the Dutch word "eend" in all cases - with a small letter, too. And it's
not Donald's surname (as far as I know, it's not even an existing surname
at all, in Dutch).
BTW, now I've found a much younger example, easier to find by my Dutch
list fellows: issue 52 of 1983 brings a story about Donald failing at a
rabbit hunt. Shortly before the end, he proposes his nephews a duck
meal for New Year's Eve (the cannibal!). The nephews teach him a lesson
by binding him on a grill and threating to lit a fire. He quickly changes
his mind....
(Here, too, the Dutch "eend" is used.)
Greetings,
Henri Kunne
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Datum: maandag 7 februari 2000 12:10
Onderwerp: DCML digest, Vol 1 #75 - 10 msgs
>> From: "Henri Kunne" <HJC.Kunne at net.HCC.nl>
>> After lurking for quite a time, I feel compelled to break the
>> silence. With some annoyance and much surprise I've
>> been reading for the last days, the discussion of Donald
>> being human. And everyone seems to agree....
>> Donald doesn't.
>Well, duck isn't always a duck if you know what i mean. Sure DD and the
>"gang" were drawn in duck shapes. Sure they're ducks alright. But IMHO, the
>creators and artists (CB and DR included) likes to tell stories about DD
>and U$ in their daily adventures which --if you notice-- showed the readers
>how "human" can they be in emotions and thinkings. C'mon, guys The Golden
>Helmet where DD showed his "darker side" made me surprised and entertained.
>In short, what i'm tryin' to say is it's all about imaginary characters in
>our real world(else why CB and DR likes to include "human" historical and
>mythical stuffs in the "ducks" world).
That's correct. I'd put it this way (and that's something of an answer to
Don Rosa, one or two messages below): a fable is a story discussing,
and often ridiculising, human character traits. Even so, a fox in one fable
is always called and considered a fox, never a 'human'. Same for Donald
and his family - and, of course, Mickey, Goofy, etc. etc.
>Henri (welcome to the non-lurking dcml'ers! 8-)
>
>> With some annoyance and much surprise I've
>> been reading for the last days, the discussion of Donald
>> being human. And everyone seems to agree....
>
>I never wrote I agreed with Donald being human. I agree with the fact that
>Don Rosa regards the Ducks to be human. That's a subtle difference...
>(I myself think that Donald Duck is a comic character. And there's a
cartoon
>character with the same name and appearance.)
>
> BTW, why would you be annoyed about a DCML discussion?
I'm never annoyed about any discussion. I'm annoyed (by discovering)
that some people turn out to consider Donald a human. That's a
subtle difference, too....
>> Donald doesn't. Some nice oldies of the dutch Disney
>> weekly give me proof ;-).
>> Well, he's even insisting being a real duck and nothing else.
>
>One could compare this with people's names: if Arthur de Wolf would be in a
>comic story, he could insist that he is a wolf, or make jokes about wolves
>being eaten. If a fluks would be an animal, I could insist on being a
>fluks... 8-)
Sorry, this argument doesn't hold water, but that's not your mistake, it's
mine. I should have said that in the original Dutch, "duck" is never used,
it's the Dutch word "eend" in all cases - with a small letter, too. And it's
not Donald's surname (as far as I know, it's not even an existing surname
at all, in Dutch).
BTW, now I've found a much younger example, easier to find by my Dutch
list fellows: issue 52 of 1983 brings a story about Donald failing at a
rabbit hunt. Shortly before the end, he proposes his nephews a duck
meal for New Year's Eve (the cannibal!). The nephews teach him a lesson
by binding him on a grill and threating to lit a fire. He quickly changes
his mind....
(Here, too, the Dutch "eend" is used.)
Greetings,
Henri Kunne
Ridout
Donald a duck?
Message 85 -
2000-02-08 at 01:34:01
I think that the problem is that everyone is confusing is the words "human"
and "person". I don't think that they're necessarily the same thing at all.
I always assumed that duckburg sorta existed in a parallel dimension or
something, in which people evolved from all sorts of animals and not just
monkies. It's pretty obvious that Barks didn't consider donald an actual
duck becuse several of his one-shot characters had both human and bird
characteristics (more so than donald). Several of his background characters
consisted of things like chickens with ears and human feet, etc. (which I
always found to be a little creepy). Speaking of the contradictions, I read
a Talifero strip when I was pretty young where donald was going duck
hunting. I became extremely disturbed until I stepped back and thought about
the entire thing a bit.
As for the european comics showing humans in impossible caricatures (sp?),
you'd be pretty surprised just how much some people actually resemble them.
Back in 1964/5, a live action Tintin movie came out called "Les Oranges
Bleu". The actors looked SO much like the characters, you would have sworn
that Herge had drawn them from real life. The resemblence for Bianca
Castafiore was *especially* frightening. Asterix is still another matter
though, I guess. Heh heh, I'd really laugh if I saw someone that looked like
Asterix or Obelix walking down the street...
rebecca
(devoted Tintin & Asterix fan as well as Donald)
and "person". I don't think that they're necessarily the same thing at all.
I always assumed that duckburg sorta existed in a parallel dimension or
something, in which people evolved from all sorts of animals and not just
monkies. It's pretty obvious that Barks didn't consider donald an actual
duck becuse several of his one-shot characters had both human and bird
characteristics (more so than donald). Several of his background characters
consisted of things like chickens with ears and human feet, etc. (which I
always found to be a little creepy). Speaking of the contradictions, I read
a Talifero strip when I was pretty young where donald was going duck
hunting. I became extremely disturbed until I stepped back and thought about
the entire thing a bit.
As for the european comics showing humans in impossible caricatures (sp?),
you'd be pretty surprised just how much some people actually resemble them.
Back in 1964/5, a live action Tintin movie came out called "Les Oranges
Bleu". The actors looked SO much like the characters, you would have sworn
that Herge had drawn them from real life. The resemblence for Bianca
Castafiore was *especially* frightening. Asterix is still another matter
though, I guess. Heh heh, I'd really laugh if I saw someone that looked like
Asterix or Obelix walking down the street...
rebecca
(devoted Tintin & Asterix fan as well as Donald)
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Chilren-poems with Donald
Message 86 -
2000-02-08 at 02:55:07
I was at scouting today, and I heard one of these child-poems, starting
with
Donald Duck is a man (human), he stands on his toes etc.
The rhyme is gone there but you see: even small kids that are soon 8
realise that Donald is supposed to be human :-)
Everyone is of course welcome to believe what he will. I saw a fun
theory in a swedish kurir (fanzine) the other day. Earth is situated on
one of Donalds tail-feathers!
I remember another song:
Donald, Daisy, Huey Dewey and Louie,
had to go for a ride,
(some lost lines about Donald getting tired and lying down)
they had to hurry, cause mom was going to give bearth to a baby (what?)
when the birth-helper came the stomach (hmm... they mean womb) was
empty.
and the small and the older one played badminton.
I don't know whoever made it up, but it's one of those poems that can
make you crazy when they sing it oftenly enough... it was popular when
I was in kindergartenclass too... That was 1985!!
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
with
Donald Duck is a man (human), he stands on his toes etc.
The rhyme is gone there but you see: even small kids that are soon 8
realise that Donald is supposed to be human :-)
Everyone is of course welcome to believe what he will. I saw a fun
theory in a swedish kurir (fanzine) the other day. Earth is situated on
one of Donalds tail-feathers!
I remember another song:
Donald, Daisy, Huey Dewey and Louie,
had to go for a ride,
(some lost lines about Donald getting tired and lying down)
they had to hurry, cause mom was going to give bearth to a baby (what?)
when the birth-helper came the stomach (hmm... they mean womb) was
empty.
and the small and the older one played badminton.
I don't know whoever made it up, but it's one of those poems that can
make you crazy when they sing it oftenly enough... it was popular when
I was in kindergartenclass too... That was 1985!!
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Chilren-poems with Donald
Message 87 -
2000-02-08 at 02:55:07
I was at scouting today, and I heard one of these child-poems, starting
with
Donald Duck is a man (human), he stands on his toes etc.
The rhyme is gone there but you see: even small kids that are soon 8
realise that Donald is supposed to be human :-)
Everyone is of course welcome to believe what he will. I saw a fun
theory in a swedish kurir (fanzine) the other day. Earth is situated on
one of Donalds tail-feathers!
I remember another song:
Donald, Daisy, Huey Dewey and Louie,
had to go for a ride,
(some lost lines about Donald getting tired and lying down)
they had to hurry, cause mom was going to give bearth to a baby (what?)
when the birth-helper came the stomach (hmm... they mean womb) was
empty.
and the small and the older one played badminton.
I don't know whoever made it up, but it's one of those poems that can
make you crazy when they sing it oftenly enough... it was popular when
I was in kindergartenclass too... That was 1985!!
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
with
Donald Duck is a man (human), he stands on his toes etc.
The rhyme is gone there but you see: even small kids that are soon 8
realise that Donald is supposed to be human :-)
Everyone is of course welcome to believe what he will. I saw a fun
theory in a swedish kurir (fanzine) the other day. Earth is situated on
one of Donalds tail-feathers!
I remember another song:
Donald, Daisy, Huey Dewey and Louie,
had to go for a ride,
(some lost lines about Donald getting tired and lying down)
they had to hurry, cause mom was going to give bearth to a baby (what?)
when the birth-helper came the stomach (hmm... they mean womb) was
empty.
and the small and the older one played badminton.
I don't know whoever made it up, but it's one of those poems that can
make you crazy when they sing it oftenly enough... it was popular when
I was in kindergartenclass too... That was 1985!!
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
Javob Wallroth
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2000-02-08 at 09:23:36
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And if it is, where should i turn?
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If anyone out where know what to do, please help me!
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Stefan Persson
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Message 89 -
2000-02-08 at 12:52:19
>From: "Javob Wallroth" <jacob.wallroth at telia.com>
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:23:36 +0100
>I`m wondering if it`s possible to subscribe on The American Unkle $crooge
>magazine if you don`t live in the USA?
>
>And if it is, where should i turn?
>If anyone out where know what to do, please help me!
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>I`m wondering if it`s possible to subscribe on The American Unkle $crooge
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>
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>If anyone out where know what to do, please help me!
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Donald a duck?
Message 90 -
2000-02-08 at 14:15:19
REBECCA:
> Heh heh, I'd really laugh if I saw someone that looked like
> Asterix or Obelix walking down the street...
I guess you haven't seen last year's "Asterix and Obelix vs. Caesar",
then. Gerard Depardieu looked exactly like Obelix. (OK, he didn't have
a bulb-like nose, but believe me, you'd never notice.)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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> Heh heh, I'd really laugh if I saw someone that looked like
> Asterix or Obelix walking down the street...
I guess you haven't seen last year's "Asterix and Obelix vs. Caesar",
then. Gerard Depardieu looked exactly like Obelix. (OK, he didn't have
a bulb-like nose, but believe me, you'd never notice.)
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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