Keskustelujen arkisto

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Paolo Castagno wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Starting next Saturday I'll be in Oslo for 7 days to attend a
> training course because of my job.

Make sure you get to see the city as well... Maybe it's not a big city
by your standards, but it is Norway's biggest city. There are severaly
things you should see... Holmenkollen for instance, where this years
world ski shooting championship (Or whatever it's called in english) are
beeing held... (You may even get to see some of the events...)

> It would be nice to contact the Norvegians on this list, also in
> order to obtain some infos about where to look for Disney comics in
> Oslo...

Any shop will do nicely... At least for the more regular publications,
if you want something other than the weekly and monthly comics, you will
need to look elsewhere... Some books shops may have something, and there
are a few shops in Oslo specialising in comics (old and new). But, i'm
afraid I am of no service to you there... On a thight students budget
you can only afford so much... I simply haven't got the money to buy
that many older comics, and therefore are not sure where to find these
shops. But I am certain others on this list can help you out.

> but also to know where to go to eat, drink and meet nice
> people!!

This is also difficult, because I rarely eat out... But meeting nice
people shouldn't be a problem, we are all nice :)

There are really lots of places to eat, drink and be merry, but it is
difficult for me to say wich is the best place... (I haven't been to
many places)

> Ah, if we can arrange a meeting I can take with me some Italian
> Disney stuff!

That could be fun... Shouldn't be to difficult either, since I'm a
student... I have a lot of "free" time (OK, so i'll miss the occosional
lecture, big deal...:)

For you other norwegians on this list, don't be shy. Yell out if you
have anything to add (I suspect you have...:)

--
Hilsen Morten
My computer said that "Insert disk #3" but I couldn't get more
than one disk fit in at a time!

Marco:
>BTW... Why isn't Latin called "Ancient Italian" ? ;-)

Because of the same reason why it should not be called
"Ancient Spanish", I suppose... :-)

P.D.: And the same goes for French and Portuguese, I think...

Santiago.

SOEREN:

>For the topic of Duck characters seen as human-beings rather than
>ducks...
>some years ago there was an exhibition maybe 8 years ago about Barks
>comics in Germany titled (translated somewhat literally):
>The duck has become a human-being

What was it in German, something like "Die Ente ist Mensch geworden"? In
this case, it would be a great bible quote (John's Gospel, IIRC - finally a
good use for my catholic education).

>Cheers,
>Soeren
>(greets to "fellow law student and delurker" Thomas ;-))

Thanks, Soeren! Unfortunately, I'm still too used to the old lurkin'
style... for example, there is a question for Don Rosa I would like to ask
for quiet some time now:

DON:

I don't know whether you've been asked this before, but I recall one
occasion in which you called a Disney character a duck, even if you had to
do so in order to be able to quote one of Monty Python's biggest ever gags.
In page 7, panel 5 of "A Little Something Special", the Beagle Boy says to
Magica de Spell (re-translated from Italian): "You are a witch! Not only
you weigh as much as a duck: you are a duck!"
Now, Monthy Python are almost completely unknown in Italy, so I suppose the
translator limited himself (herself?) to translate your script literally. I
know that you had to let Magica "become" a duck for this gag to work, but
doesn't this mean that at least the Beagle Boys are aware of the Ducks'
duckness (duckity? duckkind?)?

PAOLO:

>BTW, if I'll came out alive from this holy year I'll deserve a
>special Junior Woodchuck medal... something like...
>S.U.R.V.I.V.E.D.T.O.T.H.E.T.R.A.F.F.I.C.

Having been to Rome lately (_not_ because of the above-mentioned catholic
education), I really wondered how anyone could actually live there without
feeling the urge to flee in wild panic... perhaps because you couldn't get
out of town anyway.
Expocartoon visitors, be warned ;-)

Cheers,
Thomas

Henri:

> "Donald Duck, Officer for a Day ". Guess that original must be
> paid with gold now, but does anybody know about some
> reprint? Any translation is welcome, too.

Going to the Inducks search page:
http://numerus.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/inducks/
then typing in "officer*" in the title field and hitting "search", I find 18
stories. One of them is the one you're looking for:

Donald Duck: Officer For A Day
Story code: W DD 126-01
Number of pages: 14
Written by: Carl Barks
Pencilled by: Tony Strobl
Inked by: (?)
Publications:
USA
BL 2-675*, DD 126, DD 242
Australia
DD 158
Germany (Der Hilfs-Hilfspolizist)
72-13+
Denmark (Betjent for en dag)
AA72-04+
Italy (Paperino ufficiale di giornata)
ATM 72*, TL 732*, ZP 29
Sweden (Lagens v?ktare f?r en dag)
72-04+
Referred to in
H 95145 (as redrawn)

(On the web page, you can click on every publication to get more
information.)

Coincidentally, it seems this story has not been reprinted recently (unless
the originals of other stories that Jippes redrew).
BTW, the Carl Barks Library ("BL 2-765") reprints both the Barks sketches of
this story and Strobl's inked version (in set 2 on page 675).

--Harry.
I.N.U.C.K.S. - the Disney comics database
http://here.is/inducks
mailto:inducks at comic.com
mailto:h.w.fluks at kpn.com (note new address)

Thanks a million for your info about Expocartoon.

Wasn't there supposed to be a Lucca Fair almost at the same time originally
?

Didier
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From: Thomas Schuster <t.schuster at bo.nettuno.it>
Subject: Re: ducks - human beings
>>>DON: I don't know whether you've been asked this before, but I recall
occasion in which you called a Disney character a duck, even if you had to
do so in order to be able to quote one of Monty Python's biggest ever gags.

Yes, we cover these same grounds when we discuss Donlad-is-human every few
years. I never avoid calling Donald a "Duck". I can hardly avoid that...
it's right there -- "Donald DUCK". He's a Duck. But, as we've said in the
past, in this "Universe", that type of "Duck", as well as Gladstone's
Gander, and I s'pose Mickey's Mouse (if I deigned to discuss the guy), are
looked upon as some sort of ethnic grouping or a family name. There are
"Duck"s and "Swine"s and "Gander"s and such in Duckburg sorta like the way
there are Romans and Gauls and Druids in "Asterix", or Italians and Jones'
and Catholics in Louisville. But I don't mean I analyze it so carefully. I
just know when I think of Donald's "Duck" it's not like the "duck"
wandering around in Grandma Duck's barnyard.

>>>Now, Monthy Python are almost completely unknown in Italy,

How sad!

>>> so I suppose the
translator limited himself (herself?) to translate your script literally.

I always know I risk terrible consequences when I put those in-jokes into
my scripts, and sometimes I almost take them back out... but then I decide
that I like it the way it is and I'm doin' the stories for myself anyway,
so I leave it in there and hope for the best... and I hope for clever
translators to recognize the reference or for wise translators to know to
rewrite and remove it. Translating it literally when it makes no sense, and
not bothering to contact me with a quick question (which almost all the
translators know they can do via e-mail and get an almost instantaneous
personal reply), is what I hope they won't do... but I know I risk that.
But I knew this job was dangerous when I took it!
(F'rinstance, in the past 24 hours alone, I've answered e-mail queries from
the Finnish translator for their use of the "Coin" story, and the German
translator for the re-use of the Kalevala story in the German "Rosa album"
series.)

Thomas:

>What was it in German, something like "Die Ente ist Mensch
geworden"?
>In
>this case, it would be a great bible quote (John's Gospel, IIRC -
>finally a
>good use for my catholic education).

correctly.

Soeren

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Dani?l wrote (Saturday, February 19, 2000 4:27 PM):

> The general rule seems to be that his suit is black in the comic book
> stories, while it's blue on the covers.
>
> I don't know the reason for the suit being black in the comics. Maybe
> because Al Talliaferro set the standard? His newspaper strips where
> generally black and white, though a comic generally contains colours.
> So, even though the comic could use a blue suit, maybe it was
> still kept
> black to give more contrast to the panels, especially in the days in
> which comics had a limited use of colours?

Someone (was it Don?) wrote a very plausible explanation here on DCML, not
so long ago. In the first years of USA comics, the Donald Duck comics were
*only* reprints of the newspaper strips. With black suits. When Barks
started doing new Duck stories, they simply told him to be consistent with
the strips, so he used a black suit too. And everyone after him did the same
(with very few exceptions).

--Harry.