Hi all
I wonder whether there is php script error or plain indexing error, but
these stories' scripts are falsely credited to Kari Korhonen. Kari himself
said, when I asked, that he haven't even read these:
Story code: D 91193
Hero(es): Uncle Scrooge
Pages: 30
Layout: 3-tier
Some appearances: Gladstone Gander, Daisy Duck, Grandma Duck
Pencils: Jordi Sanchis
Ink: (?)
Story: Jack Sutter
Script: Kari Korhonen
Date of first publication: 1995
MICKEY MOUSE, MINNIE MOUSE The Ring's Power
Story code: D 91226
Hero(es): Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse
Pages: 45
Layout: 3-tier
All appearances: Minnie Mouse, Goofy, Mickey Mouse
Pencils: Antonio Bancells Pujadas
Ink: (?)
Story: Jack Sutter
Script: Kari Korhonen
Date of first publication: 1994
Same goes with this:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+91262//_
and this:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+91265//_
and this:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+92268//_
Timo
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Timo Ronkainen
Inducksing errors
Message 106 -
2004-04-06 at 01:03:03
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks criticism (ulp!) / Barks quizes here and there
Message 107 -
2004-04-06 at 01:14:41
KAI SAARTO to S?REN OLESEN, 05-04-2004:
> Growing up might be good for many of us, but not too much. Some might
> think that reading comics is childish!
After reading these two sentences, I've sat back for a while, gazing at
my monitor in disbelief. I am deeply shocked by your fundamentalistic
suggestion that "reading comics is childish!" How dare you! (Har! Har!) :-P
Come to think about these childish throw-away Duck-stories, like Barks's.
(And yes, that's really what they were meant to be, and in many ways
still are!) Did I ever tell anyone that I am deeply pleased that Barks
didn't get his way when he apparently wanted his dream of drawing real
humans come true within Disney comics?
In stories like 'Dangerous Disguise' (OS 308-02), for example? As early
teenager, I just didn't really like that story when I borrowed a Duck
comic album from a friend. (Beste Verhalen 28)
And so, even in retrospective, at least this time, I agree with Western,
who thought it took "the ducks out of their own world."
Otherwise, I would never have liked Barks's stories. Or Disney stories,
if Barks's real humans would have become common use since that editorial
objection in the early 1950s.
I think it was a nice experiment for a while, but little more than that.
(And maybe it fitted for a while, with 'The Three Caballeros' Disney movie
in mind?)
Barks may have created many wonderful, delicious, real human Duck stories,
looking just like real life. But not for me. I'd rather been a lumberjack.
(Do I need to say 'Monty Python'?) :-)
And I would have collected 'Suske & Wiske' (Bob & Bobette?) stories. At
least the ones created by Willy Vandersteen. Sigh... The untouchable Willy
Vandersteen... His official(!) heirs didn't make much impression on me,
after his death. I think they have strayed away from the timeproof and
timeless concept of Mr. Vandersteen himself.
BTW. I just gave away all the albums I had, to my brother! It happened on
an awful day, about 14 years ago, when I briefly thought that only Duck
stories would be of my future interest... The pain!
And my cute little brother doesn't want to give the darn things back to
his older brother... Please tell me, would I get very freaky if I would
just buy an axe and...? Well, nevermind... :-)
This is getting awfully off-topic, let's get back to Barks again... (Sigh!)
> This makes me think about something. Has anyone EVER done here anything
> else but praised Barks? [...] Is he so big he's untouchable?
Barks is more or less untouchable, even when he was still alive. There are
many Duck artists who follow his vision. (Apart from their drawing styles.)
But Barks certainly made mistakes when chunking out those hundreds of Duck
stories. I'm tempted to list some of them. But I hope others will jump in
on this.
For example, has anyone seen Barks's interesting mistake in 'Letter to
Santa'? (CP 1) Anyone can see it! (Well I didn't!) :-)
I wonder who'll be the first radical to show off his/her knowledge.
My current Barks quiz seems to be very difficult, at least! :-)
> I am not about to say that he is not the best ever, but it just hit
> me that everyone on the planet seems to love him.
If that just could be true. Then I can finally store away my little
black teacher box. There are still zillions of people left, with mental
muscles that need to be buzzed... (Which story?) :-)
BTW. Barks made quite a lot of desert stories. QUITE a lot, to be exactly...
Or am I really getting too critical about Barks now? :-)
--- Dani?l
"Now EVERYBODY'S mad at me! What'll I do? What'll I do?"
(Which Barks story?)
Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
> Growing up might be good for many of us, but not too much. Some might
> think that reading comics is childish!
After reading these two sentences, I've sat back for a while, gazing at
my monitor in disbelief. I am deeply shocked by your fundamentalistic
suggestion that "reading comics is childish!" How dare you! (Har! Har!) :-P
Come to think about these childish throw-away Duck-stories, like Barks's.
(And yes, that's really what they were meant to be, and in many ways
still are!) Did I ever tell anyone that I am deeply pleased that Barks
didn't get his way when he apparently wanted his dream of drawing real
humans come true within Disney comics?
In stories like 'Dangerous Disguise' (OS 308-02), for example? As early
teenager, I just didn't really like that story when I borrowed a Duck
comic album from a friend. (Beste Verhalen 28)
And so, even in retrospective, at least this time, I agree with Western,
who thought it took "the ducks out of their own world."
Otherwise, I would never have liked Barks's stories. Or Disney stories,
if Barks's real humans would have become common use since that editorial
objection in the early 1950s.
I think it was a nice experiment for a while, but little more than that.
(And maybe it fitted for a while, with 'The Three Caballeros' Disney movie
in mind?)
Barks may have created many wonderful, delicious, real human Duck stories,
looking just like real life. But not for me. I'd rather been a lumberjack.
(Do I need to say 'Monty Python'?) :-)
And I would have collected 'Suske & Wiske' (Bob & Bobette?) stories. At
least the ones created by Willy Vandersteen. Sigh... The untouchable Willy
Vandersteen... His official(!) heirs didn't make much impression on me,
after his death. I think they have strayed away from the timeproof and
timeless concept of Mr. Vandersteen himself.
BTW. I just gave away all the albums I had, to my brother! It happened on
an awful day, about 14 years ago, when I briefly thought that only Duck
stories would be of my future interest... The pain!
And my cute little brother doesn't want to give the darn things back to
his older brother... Please tell me, would I get very freaky if I would
just buy an axe and...? Well, nevermind... :-)
This is getting awfully off-topic, let's get back to Barks again... (Sigh!)
> This makes me think about something. Has anyone EVER done here anything
> else but praised Barks? [...] Is he so big he's untouchable?
Barks is more or less untouchable, even when he was still alive. There are
many Duck artists who follow his vision. (Apart from their drawing styles.)
But Barks certainly made mistakes when chunking out those hundreds of Duck
stories. I'm tempted to list some of them. But I hope others will jump in
on this.
For example, has anyone seen Barks's interesting mistake in 'Letter to
Santa'? (CP 1) Anyone can see it! (Well I didn't!) :-)
I wonder who'll be the first radical to show off his/her knowledge.
My current Barks quiz seems to be very difficult, at least! :-)
> I am not about to say that he is not the best ever, but it just hit
> me that everyone on the planet seems to love him.
If that just could be true. Then I can finally store away my little
black teacher box. There are still zillions of people left, with mental
muscles that need to be buzzed... (Which story?) :-)
BTW. Barks made quite a lot of desert stories. QUITE a lot, to be exactly...
Or am I really getting too critical about Barks now? :-)
--- Dani?l
"Now EVERYBODY'S mad at me! What'll I do? What'll I do?"
(Which Barks story?)
Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Little technical note
Message 108 -
2004-04-06 at 01:22:01
The "B", "A", "R", "K" and "S" keys of my computer keyboard are wearing off.
Is this a common problem?
--- Dani?l
Is this a common problem?
--- Dani?l
Ari Seppi
Universes and Barks
Message 109 -
2004-04-06 at 02:31:14
Kai:
>This makes me think about something. Has anyone EVER done here anything
>else but praised Barks? Everyone else seems to get some criticism here
>from time to time. Is he so big he's untouchable? I am not about to say
>that he is not the best ever, but it just hit me that everyone on the
>planet seems to love him.
Certainly not everyone on the planet, just everybody on this list. :-)
When browsing non-comics-related discussion forums there are "Barks vs.
Rosa" discussions, where many people think that Rosa is far better duck
artist than Barks, and some of them dislike Barks. Here are some quotes
from one such discussion:
"I'm irritated by recycling of the same ideas and plots in Barks stories.
Barks has used the same gags many times in many stories. Some of his plots
are almost identical. In addition in the 60s the quality of Barks' art took
a turn for worse and frankly his latest ducks look pretty awful."
"I don't like Barks' art and to be honest I don't like his scripts either."
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
>This makes me think about something. Has anyone EVER done here anything
>else but praised Barks? Everyone else seems to get some criticism here
>from time to time. Is he so big he's untouchable? I am not about to say
>that he is not the best ever, but it just hit me that everyone on the
>planet seems to love him.
Certainly not everyone on the planet, just everybody on this list. :-)
When browsing non-comics-related discussion forums there are "Barks vs.
Rosa" discussions, where many people think that Rosa is far better duck
artist than Barks, and some of them dislike Barks. Here are some quotes
from one such discussion:
"I'm irritated by recycling of the same ideas and plots in Barks stories.
Barks has used the same gags many times in many stories. Some of his plots
are almost identical. In addition in the 60s the quality of Barks' art took
a turn for worse and frankly his latest ducks look pretty awful."
"I don't like Barks' art and to be honest I don't like his scripts either."
--
Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi)
http://www.iki.fi/mani/
Daniel Van Eijmeren
About my recent Barks criticism (ulp again!) / long ducks
Message 110 -
2004-04-06 at 02:56:23
I just wrote:
> Barks may have created many wonderful, delicious, real human Duck
> stories, looking just like real life. But not for me.
I think I'm making a grammatical error here, using a wrong tense.
(Should it be "Barks would have created..."?)
Well, what I meant to say is that I do like the few Barks stories with
real humans that do exist. But that it's mostly because of my interest
in the development of Barks's style through the years. As an adult.
And as a freak.
But that was *none* of my interest as a kid. And I think youth is the
most important moment to get to appreciate Disney comics. I don't think
I should be soft to people, saying that learning about them as adult is
as wonderful, too. It simply isn't. If you didn't get to know these
comics in your youth, you just surely missed something. Get over it.
Period. Over and out. :-)
Only as *adult* I'm interested in Barks's "long duck" period of the late
1950s. But I sure dislike that style. Already as a kid. I distinctively
remember the beachcombers' picnic story (WDC 224). Brrrr!!!
Read my lips: I find it HORRIBLE.
And maybe if I check the story, right after sending this email, I might
get more nuanced, or just simply scared, and think "Well, "horrible" is
a bit too harsh... What did I do??? Let's send the world an update of my
thoughts, if only to avoid those awful, merciless Troll nominations..."
But still, at this very moment of writing, I remember the art as being
horrible. And that's how I am at the moment, on April 6, 2004. At a time
when sane people usually are sleeping.
And by the way: Memory is master of all taste.
(Can I claim this as "Dani?l's Law"?) :-)
I seem to remember that Barks admitted that he wasn't fond of those long
ducks, either. (Barks agrees with me here! Look! Look!) :-) I think I
remember that he said that, when he discovered this unintended style
change, he still had to bear the ones he'd already drawn, scheduled for
the coming new issues. And that took about a year or so, to his own
displeasure.
I believe that Barks blamed a paper change as being at least one reason.
That suddenly made it difficult to simply erase and shorten his penciled
ducks, which always tended to be too long at first, when he set them up.
But this is all from memory. I can't remember where I read it.
Maybe others can fill me in? Or did I alienate any Barks experts?
Will I get assassinated? We'll see... (Brrrr!!!)
But as long as I don't loose too many friends, I insist there's much
to complain about Barks, too. Yes. In all respect, or whatever. And I
think it's very interesting and fun to do. Only plain praising would
be boring to me. And after all, Barks was a human, too.
I'm interested in discussing *views*. That learns me much more about
Barks, Rosa, Disney, or anything else, than just being a pet parrot,
repeating the highlights of good taste over and over again, trying to
be nice to his/her masters and peers. And so, what I mean to say is
tha...
Hey! Are there still some people left, here?
Do I finally have this mailing list for ME, MYSELF and I? (Heh! Heh!)
Or am I just caught in everybody's killfile? Sob! Sob! Sob! Sob! :-)
--- Dani?l (complaining about Barks's long ducks again...)
"Now EVERYBODY'S mad at me! What'll I do? What'll I do?"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
Hint #2: I wish I had one, too, but rather indoors in this early year
> Barks may have created many wonderful, delicious, real human Duck
> stories, looking just like real life. But not for me.
I think I'm making a grammatical error here, using a wrong tense.
(Should it be "Barks would have created..."?)
Well, what I meant to say is that I do like the few Barks stories with
real humans that do exist. But that it's mostly because of my interest
in the development of Barks's style through the years. As an adult.
And as a freak.
But that was *none* of my interest as a kid. And I think youth is the
most important moment to get to appreciate Disney comics. I don't think
I should be soft to people, saying that learning about them as adult is
as wonderful, too. It simply isn't. If you didn't get to know these
comics in your youth, you just surely missed something. Get over it.
Period. Over and out. :-)
Only as *adult* I'm interested in Barks's "long duck" period of the late
1950s. But I sure dislike that style. Already as a kid. I distinctively
remember the beachcombers' picnic story (WDC 224). Brrrr!!!
Read my lips: I find it HORRIBLE.
And maybe if I check the story, right after sending this email, I might
get more nuanced, or just simply scared, and think "Well, "horrible" is
a bit too harsh... What did I do??? Let's send the world an update of my
thoughts, if only to avoid those awful, merciless Troll nominations..."
But still, at this very moment of writing, I remember the art as being
horrible. And that's how I am at the moment, on April 6, 2004. At a time
when sane people usually are sleeping.
And by the way: Memory is master of all taste.
(Can I claim this as "Dani?l's Law"?) :-)
I seem to remember that Barks admitted that he wasn't fond of those long
ducks, either. (Barks agrees with me here! Look! Look!) :-) I think I
remember that he said that, when he discovered this unintended style
change, he still had to bear the ones he'd already drawn, scheduled for
the coming new issues. And that took about a year or so, to his own
displeasure.
I believe that Barks blamed a paper change as being at least one reason.
That suddenly made it difficult to simply erase and shorten his penciled
ducks, which always tended to be too long at first, when he set them up.
But this is all from memory. I can't remember where I read it.
Maybe others can fill me in? Or did I alienate any Barks experts?
Will I get assassinated? We'll see... (Brrrr!!!)
But as long as I don't loose too many friends, I insist there's much
to complain about Barks, too. Yes. In all respect, or whatever. And I
think it's very interesting and fun to do. Only plain praising would
be boring to me. And after all, Barks was a human, too.
I'm interested in discussing *views*. That learns me much more about
Barks, Rosa, Disney, or anything else, than just being a pet parrot,
repeating the highlights of good taste over and over again, trying to
be nice to his/her masters and peers. And so, what I mean to say is
tha...
Hey! Are there still some people left, here?
Do I finally have this mailing list for ME, MYSELF and I? (Heh! Heh!)
Or am I just caught in everybody's killfile? Sob! Sob! Sob! Sob! :-)
--- Dani?l (complaining about Barks's long ducks again...)
"Now EVERYBODY'S mad at me! What'll I do? What'll I do?"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
Hint #2: I wish I had one, too, but rather indoors in this early year
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Complaining, eh? (Universes and Barks)
Message 111 -
2004-04-06 at 03:15:35
ARI SEPPI to KAI SAARTO, 06-04-2004:
> When browsing non-comics-related discussion forums there are
> "Barks vs. Rosa" discussions, where many people think that Rosa
> is far better duck artist than Barks, and some of them dislike
> Barks.
And what I would like to add is:
Let's avoid that this will also happen here.
Disney Comics Mailing List is a *discussion* group. Not a guestbook.
So, if you get irritated by Barks stuff. Just say so.
And if you get irritated by Rosa stuff or other Disney stuff. Just say so.
> "I don't like Barks' art and to be honest I don't like his scripts
> either."
I must say it's not very informative. But hey! I LOVE the sound!
Sometimes I wish *I* could honestly shout such phrases...
Main reason is that my fingers hurt so much, from all this typing.
Hm. Is that my punishment? :-)
--- Dani?l (Ah! That was the name!)
Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
Hint #2: I wish I had one, too, but rather indoors in this early year
Hint #3: Brain Wilson, did he have an indoors one? Reportedly, he
recorded the vocals of 'Heroes and Villains' in it... (I'm a Smile-fan.)
> When browsing non-comics-related discussion forums there are
> "Barks vs. Rosa" discussions, where many people think that Rosa
> is far better duck artist than Barks, and some of them dislike
> Barks.
And what I would like to add is:
Let's avoid that this will also happen here.
Disney Comics Mailing List is a *discussion* group. Not a guestbook.
So, if you get irritated by Barks stuff. Just say so.
And if you get irritated by Rosa stuff or other Disney stuff. Just say so.
> "I don't like Barks' art and to be honest I don't like his scripts
> either."
I must say it's not very informative. But hey! I LOVE the sound!
Sometimes I wish *I* could honestly shout such phrases...
Main reason is that my fingers hurt so much, from all this typing.
Hm. Is that my punishment? :-)
--- Dani?l (Ah! That was the name!)
Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
Hint #2: I wish I had one, too, but rather indoors in this early year
Hint #3: Brain Wilson, did he have an indoors one? Reportedly, he
recorded the vocals of 'Heroes and Villains' in it... (I'm a Smile-fan.)
Matthew Williams
Barks criticism (ulp!) / Barks quizes here and there
Message 112 -
2004-04-06 at 03:24:49
Dani?l wrote:
>"Now EVERYBODY'S mad at me! What'll I do? What'll I do?"
>(Which Barks story?)
>Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
It's the swimming pool story from WDC&S 129--June 1951. Speaking of
criticizing Barks, for me this story always crossed the line from comedy
into frustration!
Matt
>"Now EVERYBODY'S mad at me! What'll I do? What'll I do?"
>(Which Barks story?)
>Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
It's the swimming pool story from WDC&S 129--June 1951. Speaking of
criticizing Barks, for me this story always crossed the line from comedy
into frustration!
Matt
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Oops... (Complaining, eh?)
Message 113 -
2004-04-06 at 03:29:49
I just signed:
> --- Dani?l (Ah! That was the name!)
This has no meaning. It was a continuation of a deleted paragraph in
which I really got too silly. (Another 'Monty Python' reference.)
I got almost as silly as in this email.
Let's delete it, too. :-)
> --- Dani?l (Ah! That was the name!)
This has no meaning. It was a continuation of a deleted paragraph in
which I really got too silly. (Another 'Monty Python' reference.)
I got almost as silly as in this email.
Let's delete it, too. :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Criticizing Barks's swimming pool story???
Message 114 -
2004-04-06 at 03:40:32
MATTHEW WILLIAMS to me, 06-04-2004:
>> "Now EVERYBODY'S mad at me! What'll I do? What'll I do?"
>> (Which Barks story?)
>> Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
> It's the swimming pool story from WDC&S 129--June 1951.
> Speaking of criticizing Barks, for me this story always crossed
> the line from comedy into frustration!
What do you mean? (Serious question!)
And by the way... This is one of my all-time favourites. So believe me,
you don't want to see me angry! :-P
But seriously, it *is* my favourite. So, I'm all the more curious for
whatever applause or frustration you want to ventilate!
--- Dani?l
"Shhh! Gladstone's just hiding on the OTHER SIDE of this wall!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
>> "Now EVERYBODY'S mad at me! What'll I do? What'll I do?"
>> (Which Barks story?)
>> Hint #1: nephews go to summer camp
> It's the swimming pool story from WDC&S 129--June 1951.
> Speaking of criticizing Barks, for me this story always crossed
> the line from comedy into frustration!
What do you mean? (Serious question!)
And by the way... This is one of my all-time favourites. So believe me,
you don't want to see me angry! :-P
But seriously, it *is* my favourite. So, I'm all the more curious for
whatever applause or frustration you want to ventilate!
--- Dani?l
"Shhh! Gladstone's just hiding on the OTHER SIDE of this wall!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Matthew Williams
Criticizing Barks's swimming pool story???
Message 115 -
2004-04-06 at 04:09:41
Dani?l wrote:
>"Shhh! Gladstone's just hiding on the OTHER SIDE of this wall!"
>(Which Barks story?) :-)
This quote is from "The Billion Dollar Safari," one of MY favorites.
I'm mostly joking about the swimming pool story. It is a good one. I do
think that comical mishaps can sometimes be more frustrating than funny. I
almost feel too sorry for Donald in the swimming pool story to fully enjoy
the comedy of the tale.
Matt
>"Shhh! Gladstone's just hiding on the OTHER SIDE of this wall!"
>(Which Barks story?) :-)
This quote is from "The Billion Dollar Safari," one of MY favorites.
I'm mostly joking about the swimming pool story. It is a good one. I do
think that comical mishaps can sometimes be more frustrating than funny. I
almost feel too sorry for Donald in the swimming pool story to fully enjoy
the comedy of the tale.
Matt
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa
Message 116 -
2004-04-06 at 04:40:15
STEVEN ROWE to KAI SAARTO, 05-04-2004:
> well, what was Bark's reaction when Jack Chalker wrote his
> biography of Uncle Scrooge? (which is far as I know was the
> first structured timeline)
This year, a friend of Barks has personally told me that he can't
remember the amount of occasions, where Barks complained about
people who were trying to hook his stories together.
> of course Barks did do a Duck family tree, right?
Only for private use. And Rosa even had to REMIND Barks of the tree's
existance! Even *after* the thing was published in The Carl Barks
Library. This happened somewhere at the dawn of the 1990s.
It can be read in Barks's correspondence with Rosa, that Rosa for
some reason prefers to remain silent about. (It even contained an
interesting, new story idea that almost got lost, this way.) And I
look at this correspondence as the best-kept secret of the so-called
Barks/Rosa universe.
In some known (published) parts of these letters, Barks recommends
Rosa to explore new situations and places. (I can dig up some quotes,
if you wish.)
And, as far as this friend knows, Barks only ever produced family
trees and such, under pressure to do so. This would include the
additional family trees for Rosa.
So, apparently, Barks was just trying to be helpful to people who
asked him all kinds of weird questions.
I hope Don Rosa will reveal more of Barks's letters, one day. There
was nothing really private in these letters, as far as I know. So,
I hope they won't rot away in a cupboard. Or end up demolished as
some kind of last will, or something. We Barks fans are at Rosa's
mercy here...
But I hope I've clarified some questions.
--- Dani?l
"Shhh! Gladstone's just hiding on the OTHER SIDE of this wall!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
> well, what was Bark's reaction when Jack Chalker wrote his
> biography of Uncle Scrooge? (which is far as I know was the
> first structured timeline)
This year, a friend of Barks has personally told me that he can't
remember the amount of occasions, where Barks complained about
people who were trying to hook his stories together.
> of course Barks did do a Duck family tree, right?
Only for private use. And Rosa even had to REMIND Barks of the tree's
existance! Even *after* the thing was published in The Carl Barks
Library. This happened somewhere at the dawn of the 1990s.
It can be read in Barks's correspondence with Rosa, that Rosa for
some reason prefers to remain silent about. (It even contained an
interesting, new story idea that almost got lost, this way.) And I
look at this correspondence as the best-kept secret of the so-called
Barks/Rosa universe.
In some known (published) parts of these letters, Barks recommends
Rosa to explore new situations and places. (I can dig up some quotes,
if you wish.)
And, as far as this friend knows, Barks only ever produced family
trees and such, under pressure to do so. This would include the
additional family trees for Rosa.
So, apparently, Barks was just trying to be helpful to people who
asked him all kinds of weird questions.
I hope Don Rosa will reveal more of Barks's letters, one day. There
was nothing really private in these letters, as far as I know. So,
I hope they won't rot away in a cupboard. Or end up demolished as
some kind of last will, or something. We Barks fans are at Rosa's
mercy here...
But I hope I've clarified some questions.
--- Dani?l
"Shhh! Gladstone's just hiding on the OTHER SIDE of this wall!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Criticizing Barks's swimming pool story???
Message 117 -
2004-04-06 at 05:49:23
MATTHEW WILLIAMS to me, 06-04-2004:
> I'm mostly joking about the swimming pool story. It is a good
> one. I do think that comical mishaps can sometimes be more
> frustrating than funny. I almost feel too sorry for Donald in
> the swimming pool story to fully enjoy the comedy of the tale.
I feel sorry for Donald, too. But life is sooo recognizable in this
story! That makes his suffering all worth to me. :-) Just look at
the way Donald is coping with his selfish neighbourhood, and how the
people are interacting among each other.
For me, THAT'S real life, or at least a very sarcastic, cynical view
of it. And I see Barks as an artist who used a lot of sarcasm and
cynism in his stories. But (almost) always in a funny, comical way.
In the swimming pool story, almost everyone is upset and frustrated,
only because of a swimming pool. And this time, Donald hasn't done
anything wrong! All he did wrong was being friendly and open to people.
But no one respects him that way. They don't care about his limits.
They just run over him, straight to his new swimming pool. Ain't it a
gag?
Stories like this one help me believe that I'm not the only sucker in
this world. Or at least, that Barks was someone who also saw what I'm
seeing from to time, in my daily life. It happens remarkably often.
BTW. Are there any other Barks stories in which Donald is equally
punished for being innocent and helpful?
--- Dani?l
"WHEN, oh, WHEN is Unca' Donald going to give up?"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
> I'm mostly joking about the swimming pool story. It is a good
> one. I do think that comical mishaps can sometimes be more
> frustrating than funny. I almost feel too sorry for Donald in
> the swimming pool story to fully enjoy the comedy of the tale.
I feel sorry for Donald, too. But life is sooo recognizable in this
story! That makes his suffering all worth to me. :-) Just look at
the way Donald is coping with his selfish neighbourhood, and how the
people are interacting among each other.
For me, THAT'S real life, or at least a very sarcastic, cynical view
of it. And I see Barks as an artist who used a lot of sarcasm and
cynism in his stories. But (almost) always in a funny, comical way.
In the swimming pool story, almost everyone is upset and frustrated,
only because of a swimming pool. And this time, Donald hasn't done
anything wrong! All he did wrong was being friendly and open to people.
But no one respects him that way. They don't care about his limits.
They just run over him, straight to his new swimming pool. Ain't it a
gag?
Stories like this one help me believe that I'm not the only sucker in
this world. Or at least, that Barks was someone who also saw what I'm
seeing from to time, in my daily life. It happens remarkably often.
BTW. Are there any other Barks stories in which Donald is equally
punished for being innocent and helpful?
--- Dani?l
"WHEN, oh, WHEN is Unca' Donald going to give up?"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Søren Krarup Olesen
Inducksing errors
Message 118 -
2004-04-06 at 12:40:05
TIMO:
> I wonder whether there is php script error or plain indexing error, but
> these stories' scripts are falsely credited to Kari Korhonen. Kari
> himself said, when I asked, that he haven't even read these:
>
> Story code: D 91193
> Story code: D 91226
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+91262//_
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+91265//_
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+92268//_
According to my sources these stories are "supposed" to be by Kari
Korhonen, so something is clearly wrong here. I'll find out. At least
it's not a technical problem.
Thanks for checking.
S?ren
> I wonder whether there is php script error or plain indexing error, but
> these stories' scripts are falsely credited to Kari Korhonen. Kari
> himself said, when I asked, that he haven't even read these:
>
> Story code: D 91193
> Story code: D 91226
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+91262//_
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+91265//_
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+92268//_
According to my sources these stories are "supposed" to be by Kari
Korhonen, so something is clearly wrong here. I'll find out. At least
it's not a technical problem.
Thanks for checking.
S?ren
Kai Saarto
Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa
Message 119 -
2004-04-06 at 13:01:57
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
>This year, a friend of Barks has personally told me that he can't
>remember the amount of occasions, where Barks complained about
>people who were trying to hook his stories together.
>
>
Maybe Barks just meant that since he didn't meant them that way in the
first place, he didn't see much point in it. I doubt he thought it was a
huge crime against his work. He didn't seem to feels as strongly about
ducks as many of his fans (probably most of us in this ML) do. He was a
gag-man, not a writer of story-arcs.
>I hope Don Rosa will reveal more of Barks's letters, one day. There
>was nothing really private in these letters, as far as I know. So,
>I hope they won't rot away in a cupboard. Or end up demolished as
>some kind of last will, or something. We Barks fans are at Rosa's
>mercy here...
>
Well, they are PRIVATE letters. Not something either Barks nor Rosa
meant to viewed by general public. Who would want to show their private
correspodence to the whole world. Of course many people like to be
Peeping Tom's for the sake of science/history/ whatever, but none of us
has any right to demand them to be shown to us. I'm sure all the
relevant parts of those letters have been show to us already. There
won't be any dark secrets or revolutionary revelations to be found about
Barks in them.
>This year, a friend of Barks has personally told me that he can't
>remember the amount of occasions, where Barks complained about
>people who were trying to hook his stories together.
>
>
Maybe Barks just meant that since he didn't meant them that way in the
first place, he didn't see much point in it. I doubt he thought it was a
huge crime against his work. He didn't seem to feels as strongly about
ducks as many of his fans (probably most of us in this ML) do. He was a
gag-man, not a writer of story-arcs.
>I hope Don Rosa will reveal more of Barks's letters, one day. There
>was nothing really private in these letters, as far as I know. So,
>I hope they won't rot away in a cupboard. Or end up demolished as
>some kind of last will, or something. We Barks fans are at Rosa's
>mercy here...
>
Well, they are PRIVATE letters. Not something either Barks nor Rosa
meant to viewed by general public. Who would want to show their private
correspodence to the whole world. Of course many people like to be
Peeping Tom's for the sake of science/history/ whatever, but none of us
has any right to demand them to be shown to us. I'm sure all the
relevant parts of those letters have been show to us already. There
won't be any dark secrets or revolutionary revelations to be found about
Barks in them.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa
Message 120 -
2004-04-06 at 13:44:58
KAI SAARTO to me, 06-04-2004:
>> This year, a friend of Barks has personally told me that he can't
>> remember the amount of occasions, where Barks complained about
>> people who were trying to hook his stories together.
> Maybe Barks just meant that since he didn't meant them that way in
> the first place, he didn't see much point in it.
A friend of Barks has personally told me that Barks often complained
about people who were trying to hook his stories together. Period.
There's no need to try to twist that around with some long-distance
guessing. Barks *complained* about sticking his stories together.
>> I hope Don Rosa will reveal more of Barks's letters, one day. There
>> was nothing really private in these letters, as far as I know. So,
>> I hope they won't rot away in a cupboard. Or end up demolished as
>> some kind of last will, or something. We Barks fans are at Rosa's
>> mercy here...
> Well, they are PRIVATE letters. Not something either Barks nor Rosa
> meant to viewed by general public. Who would want to show their private
> correspodence to the whole world.
Have you ever seen the many, MANY interesting articles with Barks letters?
So, yes, there are indeed some editors who are (officially!) showing
Barks's "private" correspondence to the whole world, *including* some
letters to Rosa. Are they sick?
Remember that most of Barks's letters where just replies to FANS. Barks
didn't even know them personally. And that includes Don Rosa.
> There won't be any dark secrets or revolutionary revelations to be found
> about Barks in them.
How would you know? Did Rosa show them to you?
But, no matter what, the Barks-Rosa correspondence might be VERY interesting
to read.
--- Dani?l
"WHEN, oh, WHEN is Unca' Donald going to give up?"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
>> This year, a friend of Barks has personally told me that he can't
>> remember the amount of occasions, where Barks complained about
>> people who were trying to hook his stories together.
> Maybe Barks just meant that since he didn't meant them that way in
> the first place, he didn't see much point in it.
A friend of Barks has personally told me that Barks often complained
about people who were trying to hook his stories together. Period.
There's no need to try to twist that around with some long-distance
guessing. Barks *complained* about sticking his stories together.
>> I hope Don Rosa will reveal more of Barks's letters, one day. There
>> was nothing really private in these letters, as far as I know. So,
>> I hope they won't rot away in a cupboard. Or end up demolished as
>> some kind of last will, or something. We Barks fans are at Rosa's
>> mercy here...
> Well, they are PRIVATE letters. Not something either Barks nor Rosa
> meant to viewed by general public. Who would want to show their private
> correspodence to the whole world.
Have you ever seen the many, MANY interesting articles with Barks letters?
So, yes, there are indeed some editors who are (officially!) showing
Barks's "private" correspondence to the whole world, *including* some
letters to Rosa. Are they sick?
Remember that most of Barks's letters where just replies to FANS. Barks
didn't even know them personally. And that includes Don Rosa.
> There won't be any dark secrets or revolutionary revelations to be found
> about Barks in them.
How would you know? Did Rosa show them to you?
But, no matter what, the Barks-Rosa correspondence might be VERY interesting
to read.
--- Dani?l
"WHEN, oh, WHEN is Unca' Donald going to give up?"
(Which Barks story?) :-)