Rodney writes:
"I'm surprised to discover some Barks stories that haven't been reprinted
(aside from the Carl Barks Libraries)in over 20 years (since the Whitman
run ended) and I'm wondering why Gemstone isn't publishing these stories
like, The Gold Nugget Boat and Case of the Sticky Money (to name the
Scrooge tales). Would anyone else like to see these?"
I sure would! Also The Doom Diamond, The Heedless Horseman, and The
Cattle King. I'd much prefer to see long-unseen Barks work than Only a
Poor Old Man or Back to the Klondike for the twentieth time. Gemstone
seems to be following the same procedure with Barks that Gladstone
(second run) did with Gottfredson: only running stuff that's already been
printed in albums. Is there some cost-cutting move behind this? I hope
The Tuckered Tiger, short as it was, represents a move in a new
direction.
About FORGET IT!--I didn't understand the explanation of Magica's spell
at first, either, but as soon as it started to take effect on poor old
Scrooge and Donald I got it--and started to roll on the floor. The
highlight came when Donald forgot how to talk--reminded me of his mother
Hortense in her early years! By the way, I think this marks the third
time that Don has used that bright-eyed and hilariously dopey-looking
airport receptionist in a story (the other two being A MATTER OF SOME
GRAVITY and SIGN OF THE TRIPLE DISTELFINK). I like to see even bit
characters reused.
Daniel Von E. writes: "I think it could be 'The Three Caballeros' that
Rosa rejuvenated. (Donald, Jose, and Panchito as a trio.) But I'm not
sure."
I think this is correct--as far as I know, no one has ever reunited the
Caballeros since the fifties--and Rosa has made the characters of Jose
and Panchito known here in the States again; I guess I was writing from
an American standpoint.
In reply to Daniel's comments on the Blum stories--my feelings on them go
beyond dislike. Maybe they don't extend to hatred, but they come pretty
close. All the humor is either self-consciously "hip" or satirical or
recycled from a Barks story. In all fairness, I don't think this can be
said of Rosa stories--his plot ideas sometimes come from Barks, but his
humor is entirely his own, and even his most heavy-handed stories (WAR OF
THE WENDIGO, for example) have a lot of genuine belly laughs. And the
crucial difference between Blum and all other Duck creators if this:
Barks, Rosa, Van Horn, and all other authors past and present write for
the sake of the story, with satire or social commentary a side issue.
With Blum, I get the feeling he picks a topic or topic to "satirize" and
then comes up with an off-hand plot to carry his "satire." He's always
read a bit too much satire into Barks' works, I think, and he seems to
regard satirism as the ultimate goal of a Duck writer.
Not to end on a negative note, I'll put my two cents into the Mad Dentist
discussion. It's really a comedy, not a horror film, but W. C. Fields'
character in THE DENTIST represents probably the last tooth doc I'd ever
want to see. Which reminds me--has anyone ever done a story with Donald
as a Master of Dentistry? Seems to me there are a lot of funny
possibilities in that.
Author
Topic: 200404
(317 messages)
Daniel J. Neyer
DCML Digest
Message 241 -
2004-04-13 at 17:40:00
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks horror stories / Mad dentists
Message 242 -
2004-04-13 at 17:49:25
MARTIN THORESEN to me, 13-04-2004:
> anything with that much blood and gore becomes simply disgusting
> or ridiculous, and that loses the "scary" atmosphere for me.
There's a nice example (parody?) of such splattering in a Monty Python
scene. About "Salad Days" or something like that. Very, very funny! One
of the few times I didn't faint. :-)
>> Other examples of Barks horror stories would be 'the Terror of the
>> River!!' (OS 108), and 'The Firebug' (OS 108). Right?
> I can't place these stories at the moment. Care to give me a short
> resym?e?
In 'the Terror of the River!!', there's a monster living in a river.
'The Firebug' is about firebugs who are putting Duckburg afire. (As
written and drawn by Barks, this story happended for real. No dream
ending.)
>> And to make it on-topic: Has there ever been a Disney story with such
>> a mad dentist theme?
> I seem to recall a Mickey-story involving a mad dentist, with Goofy
> being on the receiving end, but I'm not sure.
Sounds very funny! Is this a Gottfredson story?
Are there other mad dentist Disney stories?
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
> anything with that much blood and gore becomes simply disgusting
> or ridiculous, and that loses the "scary" atmosphere for me.
There's a nice example (parody?) of such splattering in a Monty Python
scene. About "Salad Days" or something like that. Very, very funny! One
of the few times I didn't faint. :-)
>> Other examples of Barks horror stories would be 'the Terror of the
>> River!!' (OS 108), and 'The Firebug' (OS 108). Right?
> I can't place these stories at the moment. Care to give me a short
> resym?e?
In 'the Terror of the River!!', there's a monster living in a river.
'The Firebug' is about firebugs who are putting Duckburg afire. (As
written and drawn by Barks, this story happended for real. No dream
ending.)
>> And to make it on-topic: Has there ever been a Disney story with such
>> a mad dentist theme?
> I seem to recall a Mickey-story involving a mad dentist, with Goofy
> being on the receiving end, but I'm not sure.
Sounds very funny! Is this a Gottfredson story?
Are there other mad dentist Disney stories?
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Mad dentists
Message 243 -
2004-04-13 at 18:02:19
DANIEL NEYER, 13-04-2004:
> has anyone ever done a story with Donald as a Master of Dentistry?
> Seems to me there are a lot of funny possibilities in that.
Yes, that's also what I thought. I'm thinking of making such a story,
myself. That's why I asked if such Disney stories already exists.
--- Dani?l
> has anyone ever done a story with Donald as a Master of Dentistry?
> Seems to me there are a lot of funny possibilities in that.
Yes, that's also what I thought. I'm thinking of making such a story,
myself. That's why I asked if such Disney stories already exists.
--- Dani?l
Olivier
Donald, nephews, and judo
Message 244 -
2004-04-13 at 18:02:47
Hello everyone!
Dani?l:
> In the swimming race ten-pager (WDC 71), Donald is a remarkable good
> swimmer. And in the water ski race (WDC 62) ten-pager, Donald isn't
> really as bad a water skier as he seems to be. And maybe there are
> other Barks stories in which Donald is good in sports?
Skating-- race to Pumpkinburg & a '60s story (with a piece of modern art
for a prize).
Swimming: two stories where he works as a lifeguard-- very early one
(shark), and years later, where the JW hound keeps beating him to saving the
pretty girls.
However, he didn't shine at the Duckburg Olympics, and we didn't get much
chance to judge his skills as a midget driver or a boxer (soda pop story).
>>>> BTW. I hate (most) stories about sports. So, I'd rather see Donald stay
>>>> away from sports in *any* case. :-)
Those stories are okay, even good.
I really really really don't like the soccer stories with Mickey's nephew; I
have absolutely no interest in those (and very selfishly hope they will
disappear from Gemstone's comics).
>>>> "This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
>>>> and figure it out!"
>>>> (Which Barks story?) :-)
Hmmm-- this is quite a mystery! I'll sit down with some pop and biscuits and
think about it...
Olivier
Dani?l:
> In the swimming race ten-pager (WDC 71), Donald is a remarkable good
> swimmer. And in the water ski race (WDC 62) ten-pager, Donald isn't
> really as bad a water skier as he seems to be. And maybe there are
> other Barks stories in which Donald is good in sports?
Skating-- race to Pumpkinburg & a '60s story (with a piece of modern art
for a prize).
Swimming: two stories where he works as a lifeguard-- very early one
(shark), and years later, where the JW hound keeps beating him to saving the
pretty girls.
However, he didn't shine at the Duckburg Olympics, and we didn't get much
chance to judge his skills as a midget driver or a boxer (soda pop story).
>>>> BTW. I hate (most) stories about sports. So, I'd rather see Donald stay
>>>> away from sports in *any* case. :-)
Those stories are okay, even good.
I really really really don't like the soccer stories with Mickey's nephew; I
have absolutely no interest in those (and very selfishly hope they will
disappear from Gemstone's comics).
>>>> "This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
>>>> and figure it out!"
>>>> (Which Barks story?) :-)
Hmmm-- this is quite a mystery! I'll sit down with some pop and biscuits and
think about it...
Olivier
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks's Junior Woodchuck series / Hergé
Message 245 -
2004-04-13 at 18:37:46
MATTHEW WILLIAMS to NILS SMEBY, 06-04-2004:
> As far as worst story... Are the seventies Woodchuck stories eligible?
I like most of them. Especially when drawn by Daan Jippes.
Otherwise I prefer Barks's roughs. Most of have been published in The Carl
Barks Library set 6. In monochrome (black and white) quality, unfortunately.
The scripts look much better in full-colour, judging the few colour scans
floating around on internet. It's really a world of difference.
> Nearly all of them strike me as unrelentingly bland.
For the first time since the 1940s/1950s, Uncle Scrooge is the villain in
some of the stories. But this time Scrooge really goes out of his way to
destroy the environment, reminiscent of 'Land of the Pygmy Indians' (US 18).
This leads to many exciting adventures.
Some of these environmental stories don't contain Scrooge but new villians,
as in 'Gold of the '49ers' (JW 13 / H 92107).
Other Junior Woodchuck stories are more gag-oriented, like the very funny
and thoughtful 'Bottled Battlers' (JW 10 / H 94141). Others contain some
Duckburg folklore, like 'Duckmade Disaster' (JW 14 / H 92001).
There's even a horror story among them, titled 'Hound Of The Moaning Hills'
(JW 12 / D/D 2001-015). But I don't like the ending of that story. It
leaves too much questions open. What will happen with Scrooge's animals
after the story has finished, for example? Aren't they too expensive?
Where will they live? Still, the story might be ahead of its time, because
it's about some kind of genetic manipulation. It reminded me of stories
I've heard about Tjernobyl(?) in Russia. (I don't know how to spell the
name, but I guess everybody knows what 1980s nuclear disaster I mean.)
Stories which I desperately would like see to drawn by Daan Jippes are the
rather heavy 'Whale of a Good Deed' (JW 7), the exciting 'Let Sleeping
Bones Lie' (JW 8), and the extremely funny 'Where There's Smoke' (JW 16).
I almost forget to list 'Looter of the Lake' (JW 9), which has a very
funny but cynical message in the end. In the story, the Woodchucks protest
against Scrooge's polluting factory. Later in the story, they ask Scrooge
what he was manufacturing in that factory. And then a great spin follows,
but you'll have to read that yourself.
BTW. Is Daan Jippes still drawing Barks's Junior Woodchucks stories?
And does he intend to draw them all? Does someone know?
Of course, these judgements are just my humble opinion. And I certainly
do agree that some of the Junior Woodchuck stories could have been *much*
better if Barks wouldn't have been so tired of making new duck stories.
I remember disliking some of them, at least. But I think that the majority
of the stories are wonderful and greatly underestimated. At least as
penciled by Barks himself.
I hope there will be a edition with all Barks's Junior Woodchuck scripts
in *full-size* and *full colour*, one day.
There has been such an edition of Herg? last unfinished Tin Tin story.
("Alpha Art?") So, why not Barks? I guess there might be a market in
Europe, at least.
What do others think?
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
> As far as worst story... Are the seventies Woodchuck stories eligible?
I like most of them. Especially when drawn by Daan Jippes.
Otherwise I prefer Barks's roughs. Most of have been published in The Carl
Barks Library set 6. In monochrome (black and white) quality, unfortunately.
The scripts look much better in full-colour, judging the few colour scans
floating around on internet. It's really a world of difference.
> Nearly all of them strike me as unrelentingly bland.
For the first time since the 1940s/1950s, Uncle Scrooge is the villain in
some of the stories. But this time Scrooge really goes out of his way to
destroy the environment, reminiscent of 'Land of the Pygmy Indians' (US 18).
This leads to many exciting adventures.
Some of these environmental stories don't contain Scrooge but new villians,
as in 'Gold of the '49ers' (JW 13 / H 92107).
Other Junior Woodchuck stories are more gag-oriented, like the very funny
and thoughtful 'Bottled Battlers' (JW 10 / H 94141). Others contain some
Duckburg folklore, like 'Duckmade Disaster' (JW 14 / H 92001).
There's even a horror story among them, titled 'Hound Of The Moaning Hills'
(JW 12 / D/D 2001-015). But I don't like the ending of that story. It
leaves too much questions open. What will happen with Scrooge's animals
after the story has finished, for example? Aren't they too expensive?
Where will they live? Still, the story might be ahead of its time, because
it's about some kind of genetic manipulation. It reminded me of stories
I've heard about Tjernobyl(?) in Russia. (I don't know how to spell the
name, but I guess everybody knows what 1980s nuclear disaster I mean.)
Stories which I desperately would like see to drawn by Daan Jippes are the
rather heavy 'Whale of a Good Deed' (JW 7), the exciting 'Let Sleeping
Bones Lie' (JW 8), and the extremely funny 'Where There's Smoke' (JW 16).
I almost forget to list 'Looter of the Lake' (JW 9), which has a very
funny but cynical message in the end. In the story, the Woodchucks protest
against Scrooge's polluting factory. Later in the story, they ask Scrooge
what he was manufacturing in that factory. And then a great spin follows,
but you'll have to read that yourself.
BTW. Is Daan Jippes still drawing Barks's Junior Woodchucks stories?
And does he intend to draw them all? Does someone know?
Of course, these judgements are just my humble opinion. And I certainly
do agree that some of the Junior Woodchuck stories could have been *much*
better if Barks wouldn't have been so tired of making new duck stories.
I remember disliking some of them, at least. But I think that the majority
of the stories are wonderful and greatly underestimated. At least as
penciled by Barks himself.
I hope there will be a edition with all Barks's Junior Woodchuck scripts
in *full-size* and *full colour*, one day.
There has been such an edition of Herg? last unfinished Tin Tin story.
("Alpha Art?") So, why not Barks? I guess there might be a market in
Europe, at least.
What do others think?
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Don Rosa
DCML Digest
Message 246 -
2004-04-13 at 19:15:52
I hope I'm safe in saying that we all noticed the brilliant illustration in
the past Digest of the polar-opposite dichotomy of opinions of readers of
even a single story, eh?
One reader of my "Forget It!" says I explained Magica's spell far too well
and that he would have enjoyed the story much more if I had not been so
direct but had rather left it to the reader himself to figure out what was
going on.
Meanwhile another reader of the *same* story says that he never could quite
entirely figure out what was happening and would have enjoyed the story more
if I had explained Magica's spell more clearly.
Heh heh.
This shows, as I've said in the past, how I can allow myself to listen to my
readers' opinions, but there's no earthly way I can ever allow myself to be
swayed by anything they say since reader opinions don't simply "vary", they
cover the entire spectrum from one extreme to the other, and everywhere in
betwixt. So, ultimately, that makes my job easy -- I can only continue as
always to tell my stories only as *I* personally see fit, and then just hope
for the best.
the past Digest of the polar-opposite dichotomy of opinions of readers of
even a single story, eh?
One reader of my "Forget It!" says I explained Magica's spell far too well
and that he would have enjoyed the story much more if I had not been so
direct but had rather left it to the reader himself to figure out what was
going on.
Meanwhile another reader of the *same* story says that he never could quite
entirely figure out what was happening and would have enjoyed the story more
if I had explained Magica's spell more clearly.
Heh heh.
This shows, as I've said in the past, how I can allow myself to listen to my
readers' opinions, but there's no earthly way I can ever allow myself to be
swayed by anything they say since reader opinions don't simply "vary", they
cover the entire spectrum from one extreme to the other, and everywhere in
betwixt. So, ultimately, that makes my job easy -- I can only continue as
always to tell my stories only as *I* personally see fit, and then just hope
for the best.
Martin S. Thoresen
Barks's Junior Woodchuck series / Hergé
Message 247 -
2004-04-13 at 19:27:53
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> MATTHEW WILLIAMS to NILS SMEBY, 06-04-2004:
>
>> As far as worst story... Are the seventies Woodchuck stories
>> eligible?
>
> I like most of them. Especially when drawn by Daan Jippes.
Personally, I really don't care for Jippes's drawings, I find them to
be too bland and rough, more like a sketch than a finished drawing.
To me it's puzzling that they've chosen him to draw these unreleased Barks
stories, when there are so many other talents available.
But I understand now that people are pleased with the efforts, so I guess
it's allright then. I shan't be the one to complain the highest either, as
most
of those stories haven't been very interesting either.
"'Hound Of The Moaning Hills" wasn't so bad though, but I found it difficult
to enjoy the story due to the art, same with the story about Donald as a
policeman during both alien and biker invasion.
> "This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
> and figure it out!"
Could it be the one where Donald & Daisy are on a picnic and the nephews
are trying to sabotage? Probably not, but until further hints, this is my
guess.
- Martin
> MATTHEW WILLIAMS to NILS SMEBY, 06-04-2004:
>
>> As far as worst story... Are the seventies Woodchuck stories
>> eligible?
>
> I like most of them. Especially when drawn by Daan Jippes.
Personally, I really don't care for Jippes's drawings, I find them to
be too bland and rough, more like a sketch than a finished drawing.
To me it's puzzling that they've chosen him to draw these unreleased Barks
stories, when there are so many other talents available.
But I understand now that people are pleased with the efforts, so I guess
it's allright then. I shan't be the one to complain the highest either, as
most
of those stories haven't been very interesting either.
"'Hound Of The Moaning Hills" wasn't so bad though, but I found it difficult
to enjoy the story due to the art, same with the story about Donald as a
policeman during both alien and biker invasion.
> "This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
> and figure it out!"
Could it be the one where Donald & Daisy are on a picnic and the nephews
are trying to sabotage? Probably not, but until further hints, this is my
guess.
- Martin
Olivier
Barks horror stories / Mad dentists
Message 248 -
2004-04-13 at 20:13:11
Martin:
>>>> > I seem to recall a Mickey-story involving a mad dentist, with Goofy
>>>> > being on the receiving end, but I'm not sure.
Dani?l:
>>>>> Sounds very funny! Is this a Gottfredson story?
Nope. I don't remember such a story. I might have forgotten it if it were a
gag-a-day (or a string thereof), but I don't think so.
There's the animated short "The Mad Doctor" (1933), in which Pluto is
kidnapped by one such insane character. Not a dentist, though:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1387&item=3808998793&
rd=1
http://www.bcdb.com/bcdb/detailed.cgi?film=5341
http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/years/1933/maddoctor.html (the summary
contains a huge spoiler from the very start)
Any other mad doctors/scientists in Barks / Gottfredson stories?
"Oh, "Blaggard Castle" of course.
And "Ancient Persia".
Surely more.
Olivier
>>>> > I seem to recall a Mickey-story involving a mad dentist, with Goofy
>>>> > being on the receiving end, but I'm not sure.
Dani?l:
>>>>> Sounds very funny! Is this a Gottfredson story?
Nope. I don't remember such a story. I might have forgotten it if it were a
gag-a-day (or a string thereof), but I don't think so.
There's the animated short "The Mad Doctor" (1933), in which Pluto is
kidnapped by one such insane character. Not a dentist, though:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1387&item=3808998793&
rd=1
http://www.bcdb.com/bcdb/detailed.cgi?film=5341
http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/years/1933/maddoctor.html (the summary
contains a huge spoiler from the very start)
Any other mad doctors/scientists in Barks / Gottfredson stories?
"Oh, "Blaggard Castle" of course.
And "Ancient Persia".
Surely more.
Olivier
H.W.Fluks
German "Micky Maus 75 Jahre Superstar"
Message 249 -
2004-04-13 at 20:15:23
I was in Germany last Friday, and one thing I found there was a giant pocket book "Micky Maus 75 Jahre Superstar" (MMJB 2). This is really a great book! It has the very best Mickey stories, including Gottfredson's Medioka and Scarpa's Delta Dimension.
I wish the Dutch had a market for a book like this...
There's also an interesting article by Byron Erickson and David Gerstein. Unfortunately, the pages of this article were bound (actually glued) the wrong way in my copy...
Interesting detail: in the index they list Jippes' story with code "H70mm01". I made up that code a decade ago, mainly for my own use. I never dreamt that it would actually be printed in a comic book! 8-)
I was negatively surprised by some of the translations. For instance in that Jippes story (which I know by head, almost).
In the penultimate panel, the officer, pointing to his police badge, originally says: "And you think I got this badge with the chewing gum?". The translation reads "Save your excuses for the judge! You are arrested!"
And in the final panel, Mickey originally says to the crow: "Well, I can't blame you. After all, *I* put *you* behind bars first."
Translated German: "Yes, you can do something for me! Fly away and steal me a file!"
Good thing that the credit page doesn't list a translator...
--Harry.
Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wo ist der Bahnhof? Do ist der Bahnhof!"
I wish the Dutch had a market for a book like this...
There's also an interesting article by Byron Erickson and David Gerstein. Unfortunately, the pages of this article were bound (actually glued) the wrong way in my copy...
Interesting detail: in the index they list Jippes' story with code "H70mm01". I made up that code a decade ago, mainly for my own use. I never dreamt that it would actually be printed in a comic book! 8-)
I was negatively surprised by some of the translations. For instance in that Jippes story (which I know by head, almost).
In the penultimate panel, the officer, pointing to his police badge, originally says: "And you think I got this badge with the chewing gum?". The translation reads "Save your excuses for the judge! You are arrested!"
And in the final panel, Mickey originally says to the crow: "Well, I can't blame you. After all, *I* put *you* behind bars first."
Translated German: "Yes, you can do something for me! Fly away and steal me a file!"
Good thing that the credit page doesn't list a translator...
--Harry.
Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wo ist der Bahnhof? Do ist der Bahnhof!"
Arie Fachrisal
DCML Digest, Vol 14, Issue 33
Message 250 -
2004-04-13 at 21:05:39
Hi,
Olaf, i just get the chance to finally read the story you wrote a long time
ago. Actually i wasnt able to differ any writer just by looking at the
story, identifying the comic artists usually is much easier for me. but
reading the story where it had two references to Barks' stories, i couldnt
help but curious about who the writer is. and i found out that it's the
story you done some time ago that many other people have had read it. well,
i just had the chance to read it recently in a new weekly. and i like the
story though the ending is somewhat "uneasy" for me. the beagle boys
actually enjoy their punishment inside pig bodies and greedily ate the pig
food. but overall, it's a nice story.
Horror:
For me, it has to be Barks' In Ancient Persia. The old man in the story
still gives me the creep everytime he passes DD's house with his
strange-looking eyes, brrr. even how the other characters die also give me a
thrill.
Forget it:
I read it in english language in a local publication spesifically made
bilingually (english and indonesian), and i find the story quite clear the
1st time i read it. only minor grammar errors occurred, i guess they
partially edit the words (?). hey, thanks for the Bing! reference, i didnt
know that.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal
Olaf, i just get the chance to finally read the story you wrote a long time
ago. Actually i wasnt able to differ any writer just by looking at the
story, identifying the comic artists usually is much easier for me. but
reading the story where it had two references to Barks' stories, i couldnt
help but curious about who the writer is. and i found out that it's the
story you done some time ago that many other people have had read it. well,
i just had the chance to read it recently in a new weekly. and i like the
story though the ending is somewhat "uneasy" for me. the beagle boys
actually enjoy their punishment inside pig bodies and greedily ate the pig
food. but overall, it's a nice story.
Horror:
For me, it has to be Barks' In Ancient Persia. The old man in the story
still gives me the creep everytime he passes DD's house with his
strange-looking eyes, brrr. even how the other characters die also give me a
thrill.
Forget it:
I read it in english language in a local publication spesifically made
bilingually (english and indonesian), and i find the story quite clear the
1st time i read it. only minor grammar errors occurred, i guess they
partially edit the words (?). hey, thanks for the Bing! reference, i didnt
know that.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Blum, Rosa, and Barks
Message 251 -
2004-04-13 at 22:23:45
DANIEL NEYER to me, 13-04-2004:
> In reply to Daniel's comments on the Blum stories--my feelings on
> them go beyond dislike. Maybe they don't extend to hatred, but they
> come pretty close. All the humor is either self-consciously "hip"
> or satirical or recycled from a Barks story.
I don't like recycled Barks stuff. But Blum doesn't interfere with the
Barks stories he's quoting, as far as I know.
The only Barks "revisits" I can appreciate are attempts to (re)construct
pieces of lost and unfinished art. And even then, my opinion varies. :-)
> In all fairness, I don't think this can be said of Rosa stories--his
> plot ideas sometimes come from Barks,
If there's one artist recycling Barks plots and situations, it's Rosa.
And if Blum is taking a similar direction, then I will also dislike that.
The same for any other artists.
> but [Rosa's] humor is entirely his own, and even his most heavy-handed
> stories (WAR OF THE WENDIGO, for example) have a lot of genuine belly
> laughs.
Rosa has a lot of very funny jokes in his stories, but I hate dark jokes
like the ones where Donald is being misused. I remember an awful scene of
Donald as a human bridge, where Scrooge just comfortably tries to get a
paper that poor tortured Donald is holding. (Which Rosa story?) :-)
I was quite upset about that scene, and I saw it as a very bad version
of a similar situation at the end of Barks's insurance salesman ten-pager
(WDC 180), where Donald saves Scrooge above a dangerous waterfal. Donald
is a victim of Scrooge, too, but the characterization is sooo different.
So much warmer, reasonable, and humorous than in Rosa's story, where
Scrooge seems to really hate Donald, for some reason. (IMO)
> [Blum's] always read a bit too much satire into Barks' works, I think,
> and he seems to regard satirism as the ultimate goal of a Duck writer.
Is it possible to read to much satirism in Barks's work? :-)
But too much of anything will be bad for any story. Balance is important.
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
hint #1: "Keep an eye on the window!"
> In reply to Daniel's comments on the Blum stories--my feelings on
> them go beyond dislike. Maybe they don't extend to hatred, but they
> come pretty close. All the humor is either self-consciously "hip"
> or satirical or recycled from a Barks story.
I don't like recycled Barks stuff. But Blum doesn't interfere with the
Barks stories he's quoting, as far as I know.
The only Barks "revisits" I can appreciate are attempts to (re)construct
pieces of lost and unfinished art. And even then, my opinion varies. :-)
> In all fairness, I don't think this can be said of Rosa stories--his
> plot ideas sometimes come from Barks,
If there's one artist recycling Barks plots and situations, it's Rosa.
And if Blum is taking a similar direction, then I will also dislike that.
The same for any other artists.
> but [Rosa's] humor is entirely his own, and even his most heavy-handed
> stories (WAR OF THE WENDIGO, for example) have a lot of genuine belly
> laughs.
Rosa has a lot of very funny jokes in his stories, but I hate dark jokes
like the ones where Donald is being misused. I remember an awful scene of
Donald as a human bridge, where Scrooge just comfortably tries to get a
paper that poor tortured Donald is holding. (Which Rosa story?) :-)
I was quite upset about that scene, and I saw it as a very bad version
of a similar situation at the end of Barks's insurance salesman ten-pager
(WDC 180), where Donald saves Scrooge above a dangerous waterfal. Donald
is a victim of Scrooge, too, but the characterization is sooo different.
So much warmer, reasonable, and humorous than in Rosa's story, where
Scrooge seems to really hate Donald, for some reason. (IMO)
> [Blum's] always read a bit too much satire into Barks' works, I think,
> and he seems to regard satirism as the ultimate goal of a Duck writer.
Is it possible to read to much satirism in Barks's work? :-)
But too much of anything will be bad for any story. Balance is important.
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
hint #1: "Keep an eye on the window!"
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Jippes, Heymans, Barks, Woodchucks / Timo's Quiz
Message 252 -
2004-04-14 at 00:03:25
MARTIN THORESEN to me, 13-04-2004:
>> I like most of [Barks's seventies Woodchuck stories].
>> Especially when drawn by Daan Jippes.
> Personally, I really don't care for Jippes's drawings, I find them
> to be too bland and rough, more like a sketch than a finished drawing.
Jippes's current art looks rougher than his early art, I think. And I
like his early art the best.
Still, I like his rougher style for the Woodchuck pencil scripts. (Maybe
it's because they remind of Barks's rough pencil style, thus making the
art look more authentic?) But sometimes I find it gets too much, and then
I dislike it. So, I hope he won't go too far with this new style.
> To me it's puzzling that they've chosen him to draw these unreleased
> Barks stories, when there are so many other talents available.
One story has been drawn by Mau Heymans. It's 'Music Hath Charms' (JW 21 /
H 92020). I find it beautiful, but in my opinion he has crossed a limit
by... gasp... *changing* some of the panel layouts. That's a common
practice for an artist when drawing a script. But this is a BARKS script!
And maybe Mau had better layouts in these panels, I really don't know.
All I can remember is that these panels were different than the ones in
Barks's script! That alone made it hard for me to appreciate Mau's results.
All my blind eyes can see are questions like:
"How would these panels have looked if Mau would just have followed
Barks's style?"
Needless to say, working on those Barks scripts looks a bit like slavery:
"Don't think for yourself! We only need your Barksian style! Just fill in
what's there! Don't make us Barks freaks disappointed!" ;-D
It's an unthankful job, that way. But I find the the overall results so
nice that most of these stories look like "lost classics" to me.
> But I understand now that people are pleased with the efforts, so I
> guess it's allright then. I shan't be the one to complain the highest
> either, as most of those stories haven't been very interesting either.
I find your complaints interesting to read. They help me to look at those
stories in a different way.
>> "This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
>> and figure it out!"
> Could it be the one where Donald & Daisy are on a picnic and the nephews
> are trying to sabotage? Probably not, but until further hints, this is my
> guess.
WDC 79 is the answer to *Timo's Quiz*. (The one about the buxom bumble bee.)
After many years, someone has finally solved it! :-)
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
hint #1: "Keep an eye on the window!"
>> I like most of [Barks's seventies Woodchuck stories].
>> Especially when drawn by Daan Jippes.
> Personally, I really don't care for Jippes's drawings, I find them
> to be too bland and rough, more like a sketch than a finished drawing.
Jippes's current art looks rougher than his early art, I think. And I
like his early art the best.
Still, I like his rougher style for the Woodchuck pencil scripts. (Maybe
it's because they remind of Barks's rough pencil style, thus making the
art look more authentic?) But sometimes I find it gets too much, and then
I dislike it. So, I hope he won't go too far with this new style.
> To me it's puzzling that they've chosen him to draw these unreleased
> Barks stories, when there are so many other talents available.
One story has been drawn by Mau Heymans. It's 'Music Hath Charms' (JW 21 /
H 92020). I find it beautiful, but in my opinion he has crossed a limit
by... gasp... *changing* some of the panel layouts. That's a common
practice for an artist when drawing a script. But this is a BARKS script!
And maybe Mau had better layouts in these panels, I really don't know.
All I can remember is that these panels were different than the ones in
Barks's script! That alone made it hard for me to appreciate Mau's results.
All my blind eyes can see are questions like:
"How would these panels have looked if Mau would just have followed
Barks's style?"
Needless to say, working on those Barks scripts looks a bit like slavery:
"Don't think for yourself! We only need your Barksian style! Just fill in
what's there! Don't make us Barks freaks disappointed!" ;-D
It's an unthankful job, that way. But I find the the overall results so
nice that most of these stories look like "lost classics" to me.
> But I understand now that people are pleased with the efforts, so I
> guess it's allright then. I shan't be the one to complain the highest
> either, as most of those stories haven't been very interesting either.
I find your complaints interesting to read. They help me to look at those
stories in a different way.
>> "This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
>> and figure it out!"
> Could it be the one where Donald & Daisy are on a picnic and the nephews
> are trying to sabotage? Probably not, but until further hints, this is my
> guess.
WDC 79 is the answer to *Timo's Quiz*. (The one about the buxom bumble bee.)
After many years, someone has finally solved it! :-)
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
hint #1: "Keep an eye on the window!"
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks Quiz - pop and sandwiches
Message 253 -
2004-04-14 at 00:26:01
OLIVIER, 13-04-2004:
>> "This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
>> and figure it out!"
>> (Which Barks story?) :-)
> Hmmm-- this is quite a mystery! I'll sit down with some pop and biscuits
> and think about it...
Well, you're lucky if you manage to do that.
In the story, something has happened with the food...
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
hint #1: "Keep an eye on the window!"
hint #2: something has happened with the food
>> "This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
>> and figure it out!"
>> (Which Barks story?) :-)
> Hmmm-- this is quite a mystery! I'll sit down with some pop and biscuits
> and think about it...
Well, you're lucky if you manage to do that.
In the story, something has happened with the food...
--- Dani?l
"This is quite a mystery! Let's sit down with some pop and sandwiches
and figure it out!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
hint #1: "Keep an eye on the window!"
hint #2: something has happened with the food
Katie Sullivan
Of Ducks and Dentists, and a note about Forgetting things
Message 254 -
2004-04-14 at 01:26:22
> From: "Daniel J. Neyer"
>Which reminds me--has anyone ever done a story
> with Donald
> as a Master of Dentistry? Seems to me there are a lot of funny
> possibilities in that.
Not to mention the added irony that ducks have no teeth...er,
most of the time. ;)
I caught onto the gag in "Forget It!" right away, and laughed
myself silly numerous times throughout the story.
My dad had a little harder time getting into it, and here's
why... Magica's explanation reads in English:
"It might be called the 'Bing! You're hypnotized' wand! When a
victim is under its spell, once he hears his name spoken, his
memory will be wiped clean of the knowledge related to the next
word he hears!"
Dad got caught up on the "the NEXT WORD" part, since the first
time the spell is used, that would mean Scrooge would forget
about the word "Just." ("Yes, Scrooge! Just sound the alarm or
use the telephone" makes him forget everything about the alarm
AND the telephone--two concepts, neither of them the next WORD
Scrooge hears after his name.
I told my Dad to stop thinking so hard and just read the story.
He did, and thought it was very funny. He just had a little
problem at first with taking Magica's words too literately.
When I read it, I didn't get hung up on exact wording and just
went with the concept, and loved it.
Everyone's mind works in a different way, I guess! ;)
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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>Which reminds me--has anyone ever done a story
> with Donald
> as a Master of Dentistry? Seems to me there are a lot of funny
> possibilities in that.
Not to mention the added irony that ducks have no teeth...er,
most of the time. ;)
I caught onto the gag in "Forget It!" right away, and laughed
myself silly numerous times throughout the story.
My dad had a little harder time getting into it, and here's
why... Magica's explanation reads in English:
"It might be called the 'Bing! You're hypnotized' wand! When a
victim is under its spell, once he hears his name spoken, his
memory will be wiped clean of the knowledge related to the next
word he hears!"
Dad got caught up on the "the NEXT WORD" part, since the first
time the spell is used, that would mean Scrooge would forget
about the word "Just." ("Yes, Scrooge! Just sound the alarm or
use the telephone" makes him forget everything about the alarm
AND the telephone--two concepts, neither of them the next WORD
Scrooge hears after his name.
I told my Dad to stop thinking so hard and just read the story.
He did, and thought it was very funny. He just had a little
problem at first with taking Magica's words too literately.
When I read it, I didn't get hung up on exact wording and just
went with the concept, and loved it.
Everyone's mind works in a different way, I guess! ;)
Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/
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Donald's boot problem in Christmas Parade #1.
Message 255 -
2004-04-14 at 04:29:51
Daniel van E. suggested a "visual error" regarding Donald's boot in
Christmas Parade #1. After Donald and Scrooge fight in panel 1 page 21,
parts of their Santa costumes come off, leaving each with only their
coats and one boot each in panel 3 (strange how their trowsers can
come off and still leave one boot on). In panel 7, page 21, Scrooge
has no boots on at all, even though there was no additional fighting.
Donald retains one boot on through to the end of the story. But
probably the visual errors Daniel notices concerns which of Donald's
feet has the boot. It's on the right foot in page 21 panels 3 and 7,
but on the left foot in page 21 panel 6, page 22 panel 1, page 23 panels 1
and 7, and page 24 panel 5.
I recall a similar problem in some Mickey stories with Peg Leg Pete;
sometimes the peg leg isn't consistently the same leg throughout
the story.
---Larry.
Christmas Parade #1. After Donald and Scrooge fight in panel 1 page 21,
parts of their Santa costumes come off, leaving each with only their
coats and one boot each in panel 3 (strange how their trowsers can
come off and still leave one boot on). In panel 7, page 21, Scrooge
has no boots on at all, even though there was no additional fighting.
Donald retains one boot on through to the end of the story. But
probably the visual errors Daniel notices concerns which of Donald's
feet has the boot. It's on the right foot in page 21 panels 3 and 7,
but on the left foot in page 21 panel 6, page 22 panel 1, page 23 panels 1
and 7, and page 24 panel 5.
I recall a similar problem in some Mickey stories with Peg Leg Pete;
sometimes the peg leg isn't consistently the same leg throughout
the story.
---Larry.