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Ramapith
Hey Hans,

> Does anyone have more information about this:
>
> http://images.heritagecoin.com/images/HNAI/300/811/811006029o.jpg

Michael Barrier's 1981 biography of Barks states: "At one point Western was ready to publish a comic book of Barks's own, starring a young human character who would have been, Barks has said, 'almost like a humanized Donald Duck,' with two young children as his companions..." (pg. 84)

This is the first time I've seen actual images of the characters, though.

David
Daniel Van Eijmeren
OLAF SOLSTRAND to me, 10-04-2004:

>> Most of [Barks's 1991 dime] synopsis has been converted into a story
>> titled ['Dime and Dime Again'] (D D 2001-004). Written by Geoffrey
>> Blum, drawn by Carlos Mota. Published in Gemstone's 'Uncle $crooge 321'
>> and 'Uncle $crooge 322'.

> Additional information:
> Most of this synopsis has also, years before "Dime and Dime Again",
> been converted into ANOTHER story titled 'The Recluse of McDuck Manor',
> retitled 'The Richest Duck in the World' (D 93488). Written by Don
> Rosa, drawn by Don Rosa. Published in Gladstone's 'Uncle $scrooge 296'.

Has it? I've checked the 'Uncle $crooge Adventures 1902 to 1947' album
(1996), and there I couldn't find any information about a connection
between Rosa's story and Barks's 1991 dime synopsis letter.

In the accompanying article, Rosa says, in part:
"There are few Barksian references in this last chapter." [Lo$ 12] [...]

And, further on, Rosa continues:
"I also wanted to clarify a part of the Scrooge "legend" that I think has
gone astray in the last 30 years - this idea of his Number One Dime being
a "Lucky Dime." That notion goes against the most fundamental truth behind
the McDuck greatness - he owes not a penny of his wealth to luck. Every
cent has been earned by hard work and savvy."

According to 'Uncle $crooge Adventures #42' album (1998), the date of
Barks's letter to Rosa is "April 22, more or less". In that album, Blum's
article 'Raiders of the Lost Barks - Letters to Don Rosa from Carl Barks'
hints at a possible connection between Barks's letter and Rosa's story.

Comparing Barks's 1991 synopsis and Lo$ 12 'The Richest Duck in the World',
I see some similarities between the two. But not knowing the making of 'The
Richest Duck in the World', that's all I can say about it.

There are also differences, though. Barks's vision on Old Number One, as in
the synopsis, builds a bridge between the two dime concepts. Rosa's story
debunks one of them, chosing for one concept instead.

This is all that I could find out. At least at the moment.

More information on Barks's synopsis:
http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-June/023412.html
(DCML, 21 June 2003)

--- Daniël

"Take your bulb horns and go back to Bulgaria!"

hint #1: "The Love Song Of A Bulgarian Tree Toad!"
hint #2: "My word! What UNUSUAL answers!"
hint #3: "Yoo hoo! One - two - three! Testing!"
hint #4: "Marvelous! Really a WONDER OF NATURE!"
Dyer, Sonia
>hint #1: "The Love Song Of A Bulgarian Tree Toad!"
>hint #2: "My word! What UNUSUAL answers!"
>hint #3: "Yoo hoo! One - two - three! Testing!"

That sounds like the story in which HDL are trying to imitate an
echo to help Donald sell a piece of land.

Sonia
Dyer, Sonia
Sonia wrote:
>>...what the eruption of
>> Krakatoa was really like to experience from on board a ship.

Don wrote:
>Well, I don't think anyone who experienced that was ever able to tell
the tale. They'd be in Davy Jones' Locker. That was >all made up! I
mean, the various aspects of the explosion were accurate... the noise,
the pyroclastic flow, the tidal wave, the rain of rocks and ash... but
any ship nearby was simply never heard from again... it didn't surf the
curl.

Well then it was very nicely made up! According to Winchester's book,
ships that were in harbor, like the Royal Dutch military ship Berouw,
definitely didn't surf the curl successfully - it was tumbled over and
over and finally deposited right-side-up several miles up a valley, 60
ft above sea level. The crew didn't survive though. There were at
least 10 other European ships at sea in the area that did survive. The
"Norham Castle" reported the eardrums had been shattered in more than
half the crew. The "Charles Bal" was the closest ship that survived,
and it was 10 miles from Krakatoa. None of them mentioned pyroclastic
flows, but did mention heavy rains of still-warm hunks of pumice, dark
sulphurous smelling ash clouds, everything including sails and ropes,
coated with what looked like powdered cement, pink St Elmo's fire, and
various crew members receiving electrical shocks from the static
discharge in the ash clouds. Chronometers stopped and compasses spun
wildly. And of course, the series of tidal waves up to 135 ft high,
which washed 36,000 people off the land and into Davy Jones' locker.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but your story was a very good
approximation.

>One detail I was surprised to learn was (since you ask) saying "the
eruption of Krakatoa" is a bit of a misnomer for the >event. Krakatoa
was not the name of the volcano...

Right, Krakatoa was the name of the island that was blown to
smithereenies. The middle of its 3 volcanos, Mt Danan, was mostly at
fault, but poor ole Krakatoa got the blame.

>> Also, with regard to Capt. Moore, was there a real Capt. Moore, or is

>> he a composite? The way you drew him reminds me very much of Gregory

>> Peck as Capt. Ahab in the movie "Moby Dick".

>I see someone gave you a link to a site where someone else posted my
answer to that very question when I was asked once before. I can't
improve on that answer -- did you manage to find the site?

Yes, thanks Kai. That page was very informative. Gregory Peck gave an
uncharacteristically stiff, wooden performance in that movie, and Don
actually captured that very amusingly in the demeanor of Capt Moore!

Sonia
Sgarciab
Soren Krarup Olesen:

>"Oh, grazie, Doretta, amica mia!"
>(which Scarpa story? :-)

I think I come in time to answer this: It's the "Papperetta ye-ye"
introducing story. I read it recently. It looked at me as a kind of
"relief" between Goldie and Brigitta, as if a chapter in Scrooge's life was
closed (Barks-Goldie) and another was beginning (Scarpa-Paperetta). A nice
ending. I always loved the way Scarpa introduced his new characters in the
duck universe.

Santiago.
-= Steamboat Willie =-
Hello there!

I am looking for collectors of local Disney Collector Cards/chewing gum cards
from all over Scandinavia.

I know mostly about Swedish cards, but I need to get in touch with people
that has some knowledge in this area about their local cards.

So.. If you live in Finland, Aland, Norway, Iceland, the Faeroe Islands or Denmark
and know something about the hostory of Disney collector cards in your area, please
contace me:

Bror Hellman
e-mail: bror.hellman at abc.se
Daniel Van Eijmeren
SONIA DYER, 12-04-2004:

>> ["Take your bulb horns and go back to Bulgaria!"]
>> hint #1: "The Love Song Of A Bulgarian Tree Toad!"
>> hint #2: "My word! What UNUSUAL answers!"
>> hint #3: "Yoo hoo! One - two - three! Testing!"

> That sounds like the story in which HDL are trying to imitate an
> echo to help Donald sell a piece of land.

Correct! It's Barks second echoes ten-pager, WDC 215.
The first echoes ten-pager is WDC 105.

I think the second version is technically a much better story, but I
find the first version much funnier and more bizarre.

On page 4 of the second version, Barks makes a funny joke that is not
in the first version. Huey, Dewey, and Louie accidently twist words
around when imitating Gladstone's "HUEY, DEWEY, AND LOUIE ARE MAKING
THOSE ECHOES!"

In panel 4.7, one nephew echoes: "Dewey, Louie, and Huey are (choke!)
making those echoes!"

Notice that, apart from the addition of "choke!", the nephews's names
are in a *different order* now.

At least one translator seems to have overlooked this extra joke,
because it's gone in the Dutch publication. What about other countries?

--- Dani?l

"GROAN! Gasp! Alas! Alas! Oh, woe! Alas!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
DANIEL NEYER, 03-04-2004:

> Rosa has rejuvenated Jose and Panchito

I think it could be 'The Three Caballeros' that Rosa rejuvenated.
(Donald, Jose, and Panchito as a trio.) But I'm not sure.

Jose and Panchito have been alive an well since (at least) the early
1980s, here in The Netherlands. As far as I know, Jose and Panchito
(or Donald) have never met each other in these stories.

Since approximately the early 1990s, a lot of Jose stories and
Panchito stories have been scripted by Frank Jonker.

This subject has been discussed here before. Does someone still know
the conclusions?

--- Dani?l

"GROAN! Gasp! Alas! Alas! Oh, woe! Alas!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
JOHN LUSTIG to LARS JENSEN, 03-04-2004:

> I'm certainly not arguing against the use of real world locations
> and legends. And I'm sure that some creators just get lazy and it's
> easier to come up with a fictional place than use a real one. But
> sometimes fictional locations with fictional customs can be critical
> to making the story work. Or they can be funnier than their real
> world counterparts.

And they can help to stay out of politics, while still jumping in the
middle of it.

In The Netherlands, I think somewhere in the early 1990s, there has been
a Dutch story (by Mau or Bas Heymans?) about two countries being in a
long-term war with each other.

In one country, every man has a *short* moustache. In the other country,
every man has a *long* moustache. I believe I've heard that these fictional
countries were intended to be refering to real places like Iraq and Iran.

What I mean to say is that a fictional name can also help to get *closer*
to situations in real life. I guess that if the above story clearly would
have refered to Iran and Iraq, by mentioning these countries by their real
name, this story promptly would have been rejected or censored.

BTW1. Some Barks stories contain both real places and fictional places,
as a mix. For example, 'Lost in the Andes!' (OS 223) refers to both the
Andes and Plain Awful.

BTW2. Does someone know which Dutch story I mean?

--- Dani?l

"GROAN! Gasp! Alas! Alas! Oh, woe! Alas!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Jeanmarcbano
Thanks for your email Dani?l, sorry not to have answered sooner but i was in vacation; may be my comments were exaggerated about The Golden Fleecin but i feel that the harpies are a little bit creepy albeit the dragon at the end of the story is very funny; about the solitude of Scrooge in the money bin, i recognize the quantity of employees is not a criterion to consider the degree of solitude of Scrooge in the money bin, but in these sixties italian stories i feel Scrooge rather alone in his money bin, more alone than in the Barks stories; however his relatives are always around him in all the stories of the world, so, this consideration isn't really important; greetings.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
JEAN MARC BANO to me, 12-04-2004:

> may be my comments were exaggerated about The Golden Fleecin but
> i feel that the harpies are a little bit creepy albeit the dragon
> at the end of the story is very funny;

I was curious about the definition of the word "horror", and if 'The
Golden Fleecing' (US 12) would within that definition.

I'm also thinking of stories like 'The Old Castle's Secret' (OS 189)
and 'Voodoo Hoodoo' (OS 238). Do they fit within the definition of
horror?

Or are they "thrillers"? I've always thought that horror was about
10 litres of blood coming from just one person. But as I have a weak
heart, I'm not quite an expert on either "horrors" or "thrillers". :-)

> about the solitude of Scrooge in the money bin, i recognize the
> quantity of employees is not a criterion to consider the degree of
> solitude of Scrooge in the money bin,

Why not? I think it's a very good criterion.

> but in these sixties italian stories i feel Scrooge rather alone in
> his money bin, more alone than in the Barks stories;

I only thought you meant that Scrooge got more lonely in Barks stories
as well, through the years. So, that's why I commented that I don't see
a significant difference within Barks's work. I wasn't discussing the
Italian stories, or any other non-Barks stories.

> however his relatives are always around him in all the stories of the
> world, so, this consideration isn't really important

Not important? Don't underestimate yourself! This could be an interesting
discussion about Scrooge, his sollitude, and his employees, in stories by
different artists. You have seen some interesting differences, I think.

Has anyone else seen the differences, too?

I hope you'll continue writing emails.

--- Dani?l
Timo Ronkainen
>I'm also thinking of stories like 'The Old Castle's Secret' (OS 189)
>and 'Voodoo Hoodoo' (OS 238). Do they fit within the definition of
>horror?

I would say, yes. At least they are heavily influenced by horror. Old Castle
has lots of old Gothic horror ingredients and Voodo Hoodoo has imagery from
classic horror films (mainly of Universal studios) from 1930's and 40's. You
could add Ghost of the Grotto to the bunch of Barks' horror Duck comics
("Tonight is the night!").

Timo

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Dani?l:
>
> "GROAN! Gasp! Alas! Alas! Oh, woe! Alas!"
> (Which Barks story?) :-)

Isn't that "The terror of the Beagle Boys"?

--
Olaf Solstrand
Daniel Van Eijmeren
OLAF SOLSTRAND to me, 12-04-2004:

>> "GROAN! Gasp! Alas! Alas! Oh, woe! Alas!"
>> (Which Barks story?) :-)

> Isn't that "The terror of the Beagle Boys"? [WDC 134]

I HOPED someone would say that! It's the wrong answer, but still
you are very, *very* close... (Hint! Hint!)

--- Daniël

"GROAN! Gasp! Alas! Alas! Oh, woe! Alas!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)

hint #1: it's not the spring gun canon story (WDC 134), but still
that's a good guess
Daniel Van Eijmeren
DANIEL NEYER to me, 03-04-2004:

> I do agree with you on Blum's work so far--boring and confusing,

I didn't say "boring", but *long-winded*. But again, there are only
two Blum stories I know, one about world wide witches (downloading
a dime?), and one titled 'Dime And Dime Again' (D/D 2001-004).

I found these two stories interesting, but confusing to read. I also
found that the story-telling took too much pages. At least for my
taste. That's why I called it long-winded.

I don't find the stories boring. Boring is a term I use when I tend
to fall asleep while reading.

What I found confusing is that I sometimes I couldn't follow where the
story is going to. Then I got lost in the sidings. (That's something I
also experience with Rosa's stories, by the way.)

> particularly with that excessively surreal artwork.

I like most of Carlos Mota's art, at least for 'Dime And Dime Again'.
(That's the only Mota-story I remember, at the moment.) I only dislike
the too many different camera angles in almost every panel of the
story. It makes the art look slanted. As if I'm reading on a ship.
Maybe that's the main complaint from others, too?

All in all, I didn't like the stories. But I still found them
interesting to read. They're full of energy. So, I guess I dislike
them *because* they could have been much more.

--- Dani?l

"GROAN! Gasp! Alas! Alas! Oh, woe! Alas!"
(Which Barks story?) :-)

hint #1: it's not the spring gun canon story (WDC 134), but still that's
a good guess
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