ALL:
This is a follow-up to my message the other day about meeting Don
Rosa for the first time. It was better than I could have hoped for. He
gives 110% for duck fans. From the moment he arrived, his only concern
was to please the (sadly few) admirers there. Don worked like a man
obsessed, but managed to answer our questions and entertain us with
some stories and insights while signing books and doing sketches. I was
one of the lucky ones to have a drawing done.
It was great to meet others who share this interest and in an instant,
we were like old friends who had known each other for years. During our
conversations the D.U.C.K. abbreviation came up and one of the fans was
unaware of it. Now he has to go back thru all his comics looking for them.
Don refused to interrupt his work, stopping only briefly to wolf down a
hot dog. When a small cable-tv outfit asked him for an interview over where
they had set up a "stage", he told them he would only do it where he was
and would continue to draw. The interviewer agreed and Don enlightened
them with the popularity of Donald and company around the rest of the
world. He also had some kind words for the Disney monolith. Har-har :)
I also met Don's wife and spoke to her for a few minutes after she had
returned from seeing The Falls for the first time. She seemed to be a very
pleasant woman and Don is lucky to be married to someone so under-
standing. My wife just shakes her head at my love of duck comics, but it
is something I can share with my daughter and I thank Don for that. Well,
back to lurking for awhile. Gary Pantzer
Author
Topic: 199608
(341 messages)
REZTNAP
Don Rosa in Niagara Falls
Message 166 -
1996-08-18 at 17:40:34
Markoff
Disney comics Digest V96 #175
Message 167 -
1996-08-18 at 18:59:26
BYRON (AND OTHERS):
I haven't read this "Mickey horror story" you've been writing about, but I
think that term would actually fit your "A Mouse and his Dog" story in
DDMM5! But that's why your story was one of my favorites published by
Gladstone yet--especially because most of the previous DM and DDMM issues
were those seen-one-seen-all, sleep-inducing "Goofy-History" stories.
GLADSTONE CREW:
On the subject of the Goofy-History stories, and especially now that there
are even less MM forums, please don't male the same mistake again!
MIKE:
> I know of Uncle Rumpus, but who's the Baron? Is he a pic-looking
>villain who flies a plane? Anyway, I don't think they have any sort of
>official name in Finnish and most other non-English countries since the
>translators don't always notice if a character has been used once before
>or hasn't. I don't know if there's been more than one story of either one,
>actually. (and I don't recall their Finnish names, sorry)
Baron Itzy Bitzy is a whistling flea (drawn as a dot) that Scrooge carries
around in a little round box. Specific info on which stories Itzy Bitzy and
Rumpus have appeared in can be found at:
http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/chars/itzybitzy.html
http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/chars/rumpus.html
The pig villain you mention is probably Baron Von Strudel, who, as far as I
know, appeared only once, in "Pie in the Sky" (code KU 0190, USA printing U$
243, Dutch printing DD Extra 1/1992, Danish printing Anders And 36/1993).
That story was only drawn by WVH, and was written by Bill Riling.
I haven't read this "Mickey horror story" you've been writing about, but I
think that term would actually fit your "A Mouse and his Dog" story in
DDMM5! But that's why your story was one of my favorites published by
Gladstone yet--especially because most of the previous DM and DDMM issues
were those seen-one-seen-all, sleep-inducing "Goofy-History" stories.
GLADSTONE CREW:
On the subject of the Goofy-History stories, and especially now that there
are even less MM forums, please don't male the same mistake again!
MIKE:
> I know of Uncle Rumpus, but who's the Baron? Is he a pic-looking
>villain who flies a plane? Anyway, I don't think they have any sort of
>official name in Finnish and most other non-English countries since the
>translators don't always notice if a character has been used once before
>or hasn't. I don't know if there's been more than one story of either one,
>actually. (and I don't recall their Finnish names, sorry)
Baron Itzy Bitzy is a whistling flea (drawn as a dot) that Scrooge carries
around in a little round box. Specific info on which stories Itzy Bitzy and
Rumpus have appeared in can be found at:
http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/chars/itzybitzy.html
http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/chars/rumpus.html
The pig villain you mention is probably Baron Von Strudel, who, as far as I
know, appeared only once, in "Pie in the Sky" (code KU 0190, USA printing U$
243, Dutch printing DD Extra 1/1992, Danish printing Anders And 36/1993).
That story was only drawn by WVH, and was written by Bill Riling.
Per Starback
4th nephew
Message 168 -
1996-08-18 at 19:09:40
Joachim Butz asked:
> Did someone know titel and code of the yet 'unknown' story [with
> four nephews] in Per's summary on the disney server?
Yes, Ville Saari has told me that it was "D 95010". Unfortunately
that story is not in our Database yet.
http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/chars/hdl.html
has been updated.
--
Per Starback <(Email removed)> http://www.update.uu.se/~starback
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> Did someone know titel and code of the yet 'unknown' story [with
> four nephews] in Per's summary on the disney server?
Yes, Ville Saari has told me that it was "D 95010". Unfortunately
that story is not in our Database yet.
http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics/chars/hdl.html
has been updated.
--
Per Starback <(Email removed)> http://www.update.uu.se/~starback
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Mike Pohjola
Disney comics Digest V96 #175
Message 169 -
1996-08-18 at 20:15:18
MIKKO:
> Yes, they are. And so is the first story in AA 33/96, coded D96006 (Per's
> Web-site seems to be down, so I can't look for the original name.), which I
> liked very much. One of the best ten-pagers I've seen in a while. The
Well... The story was one of the best Van Horn ten-pagers in a while,
but I don't think it stood up from the dozens of similar stories except for
the art. I can't understand why people make such a fuss over WVH.
And speaking of ten-pagers, you wouldn't know who drew H/DD/7804
from AA 29/96? The art is incredibly badly done (coins the size of ice hockey
pucks etc.) and the writing isn't any better. Almost as if the maker was
trying to combine the bad parts of Van Horn and early Don Rosa.
DENMARK AND NORWAY:
Could somebody send me a copy of the issue where Don Rosa's
Treasure of Ten Avatars appeared? I'll pay you money and everything,
I just want to see the story.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
> Yes, they are. And so is the first story in AA 33/96, coded D96006 (Per's
> Web-site seems to be down, so I can't look for the original name.), which I
> liked very much. One of the best ten-pagers I've seen in a while. The
Well... The story was one of the best Van Horn ten-pagers in a while,
but I don't think it stood up from the dozens of similar stories except for
the art. I can't understand why people make such a fuss over WVH.
And speaking of ten-pagers, you wouldn't know who drew H/DD/7804
from AA 29/96? The art is incredibly badly done (coins the size of ice hockey
pucks etc.) and the writing isn't any better. Almost as if the maker was
trying to combine the bad parts of Van Horn and early Don Rosa.
DENMARK AND NORWAY:
Could somebody send me a copy of the issue where Don Rosa's
Treasure of Ten Avatars appeared? I'll pay you money and everything,
I just want to see the story.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
SRoweCanoe
Disney comics Digest V96 #175
Message 170 -
1996-08-18 at 21:10:31
In a message dated 96-08-18 09:00:14 EDT, Dwight write:
<< The "colonel" wasan honorary title (the state of Kentucky is known -- and
unique -- for making colonels out of people as an honorary title). >>
Yeah, my uncle is a Kentucky Colonel. I think 9repeat I don't know for
sure) that you a) have to live in Kentucky, b) make some contibution to
Kentucky life, and c) know some politician.
You know there are people who think that Duck fans can control elections
throughout the world ;) . I can think of a Kentuckian that I think
merits being a Colonel; anybody know any Kentuckian politician?
The Assemblies of God (a 1.4 million member chruch denomination) is urging
it's members to boycott all Disney products and services. They say that
this is due to Disney's promotion of homosxual lifestyle (specificaly not
stopping Gay Day at the theme parks, publishing "Growing Up Gay", and buying
Miramax which distributed a movie about a gay priest). They join the
Southern Baptist Convention (with it's 16 million members) in boycotting
Disney.
Again, any Baptists or Assemblers, I'll be glad to properly despose of
these shameful Disney comic books, new or old.
Per: I figured out what happened ... one of these guys who post
unsubscribing messages sent one; and the host unscribed everybody!
No?
Steven Rowe
<< The "colonel" wasan honorary title (the state of Kentucky is known -- and
unique -- for making colonels out of people as an honorary title). >>
Yeah, my uncle is a Kentucky Colonel. I think 9repeat I don't know for
sure) that you a) have to live in Kentucky, b) make some contibution to
Kentucky life, and c) know some politician.
You know there are people who think that Duck fans can control elections
throughout the world ;) . I can think of a Kentuckian that I think
merits being a Colonel; anybody know any Kentuckian politician?
The Assemblies of God (a 1.4 million member chruch denomination) is urging
it's members to boycott all Disney products and services. They say that
this is due to Disney's promotion of homosxual lifestyle (specificaly not
stopping Gay Day at the theme parks, publishing "Growing Up Gay", and buying
Miramax which distributed a movie about a gay priest). They join the
Southern Baptist Convention (with it's 16 million members) in boycotting
Disney.
Again, any Baptists or Assemblers, I'll be glad to properly despose of
these shameful Disney comic books, new or old.
Per: I figured out what happened ... one of these guys who post
unsubscribing messages sent one; and the host unscribed everybody!
No?
Steven Rowe
Markoff
The Duck Family Tree Forest
Message 171 -
1996-08-18 at 22:04:53
DON ROSA:
I've heard that you weren't the first to do away with the adoption of
Gladstone Gander in the Duck Family Tree, but instead you claim that CB did
it in a revised version of his own more famous Tree. Where was this? (Were
there any other differences between his two trees?)
HARRY FLUKS:
You mentioned about a month ago that there were Dutch issues with Duck
Familiy Trees showing GD as U$' sister. What were those like? Who were the
artists?
ANYONE:
In addition to all this, the editorial page of WDC&S 581 (1993) mentions
that William Van Horn has also done a Tree! Can someone fill us in?
--Jonathan Markoff
I've heard that you weren't the first to do away with the adoption of
Gladstone Gander in the Duck Family Tree, but instead you claim that CB did
it in a revised version of his own more famous Tree. Where was this? (Were
there any other differences between his two trees?)
HARRY FLUKS:
You mentioned about a month ago that there were Dutch issues with Duck
Familiy Trees showing GD as U$' sister. What were those like? Who were the
artists?
ANYONE:
In addition to all this, the editorial page of WDC&S 581 (1993) mentions
that William Van Horn has also done a Tree! Can someone fill us in?
--Jonathan Markoff
Harry Fluks
"Runaway Brain" adaptation
Message 172 -
1996-08-18 at 22:48:40
Thanks, everyone, for the answers to my Mickey horror
story question!
So it is Ulrich Schroeder who drew that story! That's a familiar name!
Ulrich inked some covers from Barks sketches, for the Dutch weekly
years ago. He also started redrawing "King Scrooge the First", the
story from U$ 71 written by Barks. But he never finished that.
Schroeder once again proves he is a VERY good artist!
(Maybe Jippes was involved for the layouts of the story?)
BYRON wrote:
> I hope Ulrich won't mind my spilling the beans, but he and I have been
> talking about doing a Mickey adventure together (along with Daan
> Jippes)
That sounds very interesting. I can't wait to see the result!
(BTW: I wish the Dutch started reprinting your Egmont stories!)
JOACHIM:
> Ulrich explained: He is very unhappy about this story. But this story isn't
> scripted by him.
They only printed the first few pages of the story in Holland, so I haven't
made up my mind about the story. But it looks quite scary.
> Are You sure that the cover is Dutch made?
No, I'm not. The cover you describe is the one I mean, but the
Dutch version has a photograph of a real wall as background.
The title ("Hersens op hol") is written as graffiti on the wall.
--Harry.
story question!
So it is Ulrich Schroeder who drew that story! That's a familiar name!
Ulrich inked some covers from Barks sketches, for the Dutch weekly
years ago. He also started redrawing "King Scrooge the First", the
story from U$ 71 written by Barks. But he never finished that.
Schroeder once again proves he is a VERY good artist!
(Maybe Jippes was involved for the layouts of the story?)
BYRON wrote:
> I hope Ulrich won't mind my spilling the beans, but he and I have been
> talking about doing a Mickey adventure together (along with Daan
> Jippes)
That sounds very interesting. I can't wait to see the result!
(BTW: I wish the Dutch started reprinting your Egmont stories!)
JOACHIM:
> Ulrich explained: He is very unhappy about this story. But this story isn't
> scripted by him.
They only printed the first few pages of the story in Holland, so I haven't
made up my mind about the story. But it looks quite scary.
> Are You sure that the cover is Dutch made?
No, I'm not. The cover you describe is the one I mean, but the
Dutch version has a photograph of a real wall as background.
The title ("Hersens op hol") is written as graffiti on the wall.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
4th nephew
Message 173 -
1996-08-18 at 22:58:24
Per, about the story showing 4 nephews:
> Yes, Ville Saari has told me that it was "D 95010". Unfortunately
> that story is not in our Database yet.
It will be, in the next version. Both Ole Reichstein and Gilbert Roser listed
the story in the Danish and German indexes. I'll add a comment to it:
[app:Phooey]. The two other stories showing 4 nephews will also
have this comment.
The next version of the Database is planned (as ftp files and partly as
WWW pages) for the beginning of September.
--Harry.
> Yes, Ville Saari has told me that it was "D 95010". Unfortunately
> that story is not in our Database yet.
It will be, in the next version. Both Ole Reichstein and Gilbert Roser listed
the story in the Danish and German indexes. I'll add a comment to it:
[app:Phooey]. The two other stories showing 4 nephews will also
have this comment.
The next version of the Database is planned (as ftp files and partly as
WWW pages) for the beginning of September.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Ice hockey pucks
Message 174 -
1996-08-18 at 23:07:44
MIKE:
> And speaking of ten-pagers, you wouldn't know who drew H/DD/7804
> from AA 29/96?
That could be an 8-pager (if it includes Magica) or a 9-pager. In both cases
drawn by Mark de Jonge.
> The art is incredibly badly done (coins the size of ice hockey
> pucks etc.) and the writing isn't any better.
I disagree. De Jonge has his own style, but he was coached by Jippes, and
with quite good results. I can name hundreds of artists who are worse...
(Well, dozens at least 8-)
> Almost as if the maker was
> trying to combine the bad parts of Van Horn and early Don Rosa.
Which couldn't be, of course, because this story was drawn in 1978,
long before Rosa and Van Horn started their Disney carreer.
--Harry.
> And speaking of ten-pagers, you wouldn't know who drew H/DD/7804
> from AA 29/96?
That could be an 8-pager (if it includes Magica) or a 9-pager. In both cases
drawn by Mark de Jonge.
> The art is incredibly badly done (coins the size of ice hockey
> pucks etc.) and the writing isn't any better.
I disagree. De Jonge has his own style, but he was coached by Jippes, and
with quite good results. I can name hundreds of artists who are worse...
(Well, dozens at least 8-)
> Almost as if the maker was
> trying to combine the bad parts of Van Horn and early Don Rosa.
Which couldn't be, of course, because this story was drawn in 1978,
long before Rosa and Van Horn started their Disney carreer.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
The Duck Family Tree Forest
Message 175 -
1996-08-18 at 23:13:18
JONATHAN:
> You mentioned about a month ago that there were Dutch issues with
> Duck Familiy Trees showing GD as U$' sister. What were those like?
The Dutch reprint of Marco Rota's (Italian) story about the origin of
Donald Duck had a family tree on the back cover. I don't know the
artist of this. But I seem to remember there was a similar tree in one
of the German "Sonderheft" issues.
Some years ago, the Dutch had a series of "photo albums" in their
weekly magazine. Each time two pages of "photos" with text from
a different Disney character. Both the album of Grandma and the album
of Scrooge showed the same photo of their youth together. (Showing
the same photo twice was part of the gag.)
--Harry.
> You mentioned about a month ago that there were Dutch issues with
> Duck Familiy Trees showing GD as U$' sister. What were those like?
The Dutch reprint of Marco Rota's (Italian) story about the origin of
Donald Duck had a family tree on the back cover. I don't know the
artist of this. But I seem to remember there was a similar tree in one
of the German "Sonderheft" issues.
Some years ago, the Dutch had a series of "photo albums" in their
weekly magazine. Each time two pages of "photos" with text from
a different Disney character. Both the album of Grandma and the album
of Scrooge showed the same photo of their youth together. (Showing
the same photo twice was part of the gag.)
--Harry.
Shaun M. Knowler
Enough lurking!
Message 176 -
1996-08-19 at 03:24:07
Well, I guess I've been lurking long enough!
My name's Shaun Knowler, and here's my introducktion!
I'm 17, and I live in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I've been reading Disney
comics since I was approximately 4 years old, and I've been drawing them
since I was about 7-8. I hope to some day make a career out of doing so.
My favourite artists (in order) are Don Rosa, Carl Barks, Romano Scarpa
and William van Horn.
I guess that's enough to get me started :)
-Shaun
My name's Shaun Knowler, and here's my introducktion!
I'm 17, and I live in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I've been reading Disney
comics since I was approximately 4 years old, and I've been drawing them
since I was about 7-8. I hope to some day make a career out of doing so.
My favourite artists (in order) are Don Rosa, Carl Barks, Romano Scarpa
and William van Horn.
I guess that's enough to get me started :)
-Shaun
Michael Naiman
Jerry Siegel Duck stories
Message 177 -
1996-08-19 at 03:28:12
TO ONE AND ALL
I'm looking for an article on Jerry Siegel's Duck stories to publish in an
upcoming Comic Book Marketplace...any aspirering authors?? If the piece
could be 1000 words of less...AND when printed, you'll get paid!
Thanks!
I'm looking for an article on Jerry Siegel's Duck stories to publish in an
upcoming Comic Book Marketplace...any aspirering authors?? If the piece
could be 1000 words of less...AND when printed, you'll get paid!
Thanks!
SRoweCanoe
US 299
Message 178 -
1996-08-19 at 04:23:32
I've gotten the problem of my not recieving Disney sort of taken care of.
It'll be awhile before I cet up to US 300. I just got 299. I hadn't
notice anyone mentioning the odd mistake. They credit the Cash Register
Mystery to Evanier and Wright!! The art is by Manning (and Liggera?), the
story is not by Evanier.
Steven Rowe
It'll be awhile before I cet up to US 300. I just got 299. I hadn't
notice anyone mentioning the odd mistake. They credit the Cash Register
Mystery to Evanier and Wright!! The art is by Manning (and Liggera?), the
story is not by Evanier.
Steven Rowe
TWAdair
Ramblings
Message 179 -
1996-08-19 at 08:49:47
Hello. Most of you haven't heard from me since San Diego.
First of all, Greetings to all the new comics professionals here on the list
(and the old ones too)! Does this mean we will be seeing email addresses
in the letter columns now?
This is just my opinion, but it seems that Col. Sanders appeared around the
same time that Trotsky disappeared. Just my opinion, but I am curious what
will happen when KFC expands into Russia.
Also, after buying my weekly fix of comics (no Disney this week), I had money
left over, and stopped at a used bookstore to see what collections they had
in their humor/cartoons section. Well, I was shocked, surprised, and knocked
senseless that there were three slipcased sets of Gladstone's Little Lulu
Library! And each for $45! So I bought one, and am now slowly savouring
each page and story! I love how Lulu outsmarts the Boys Club!
As to Ulrich, I met him in Erlangen in 1994, when he was the other Disney
artist doing sketches alongside Don Rosa. He was doing quality control back
then.
As for the Mickey horror story, and the animated short shown earlier, all I
can say is that Mickey Mouse was lobotomized back in the 1950s under Walt's
orders from J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, to control Mick's socialist
leanings. Rumor has it that the excised lobes are locked up at the National
Museum of Health and Medicine, where scientist are expirement with mind
control.
That said, I am off to play my Mary Poppins soundtrack to listen for hidden
messages.
Riada Netsrot (Email removed) Washington, DC, USA
First of all, Greetings to all the new comics professionals here on the list
(and the old ones too)! Does this mean we will be seeing email addresses
in the letter columns now?
This is just my opinion, but it seems that Col. Sanders appeared around the
same time that Trotsky disappeared. Just my opinion, but I am curious what
will happen when KFC expands into Russia.
Also, after buying my weekly fix of comics (no Disney this week), I had money
left over, and stopped at a used bookstore to see what collections they had
in their humor/cartoons section. Well, I was shocked, surprised, and knocked
senseless that there were three slipcased sets of Gladstone's Little Lulu
Library! And each for $45! So I bought one, and am now slowly savouring
each page and story! I love how Lulu outsmarts the Boys Club!
As to Ulrich, I met him in Erlangen in 1994, when he was the other Disney
artist doing sketches alongside Don Rosa. He was doing quality control back
then.
As for the Mickey horror story, and the animated short shown earlier, all I
can say is that Mickey Mouse was lobotomized back in the 1950s under Walt's
orders from J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, to control Mick's socialist
leanings. Rumor has it that the excised lobes are locked up at the National
Museum of Health and Medicine, where scientist are expirement with mind
control.
That said, I am off to play my Mary Poppins soundtrack to listen for hidden
messages.
Riada Netsrot (Email removed) Washington, DC, USA
Danny Coenen
Trade...and Oilpaintings
Message 180 -
1996-08-19 at 09:11:54
ALL:
I really don`t have anything super- special in my
collection of comic books that I would ever give
away, but I have a couple of comic books that I
have twice for some reason.
First, which is really nothing special, I have
got a copy of U$ 295 to trade for something.
maybe one of you missed that issue, or doesn`t
get ahold of any Gladstone comic books. This
is featuring Don`s 11th chapter of the Lo$.
Second, I have a comic album with 64 pages
in German titled "60 Jahre Donald Duck".
Published because of Donald`s 60th birthday it
features an eight page special with all kinds
of interesting information about Donald`s
history from 1931 (!) on, there`s stuff on artists,
Dr. Erika Fuchs and other things. Stories are Barks`
W/OS 79 about Donald as a milkman, which I think has
only been published in the CBL in the USA. Then there
is a Rosa story about his (Donald`s) 60th birthday,
and three more stories by Vicar, van Horn and Volker
Reiche.
Anybody care for that?
For all you fans of Barks` oil paintings out there,
who don`t know about it yet, a calender with 12
paintings in a superb quality has been published in
Germany for three years now. Last year it included
a bilingual (german/english) 20-page booklet with
lotsa info about the paintings.
For infos write to:
Dreidreizehn
Moorweg 49
D- 21337 Lueneburg
Germany, E.U.
I don`t know how much it is for foreign countries,
but the calendar only costs DM 50, which is about
$ 35 plus postage.
have a great day, everybody!
Danny Coenen
--"I am a Donaldist- why do I still have to
operate a computer with a Mouse???"
Danny Coenen
Kopernikusstr. 18 Tel. :
(049)2461/56129
D-52428 Juelich
Germany EU e-mail :
(Email removed)
I really don`t have anything super- special in my
collection of comic books that I would ever give
away, but I have a couple of comic books that I
have twice for some reason.
First, which is really nothing special, I have
got a copy of U$ 295 to trade for something.
maybe one of you missed that issue, or doesn`t
get ahold of any Gladstone comic books. This
is featuring Don`s 11th chapter of the Lo$.
Second, I have a comic album with 64 pages
in German titled "60 Jahre Donald Duck".
Published because of Donald`s 60th birthday it
features an eight page special with all kinds
of interesting information about Donald`s
history from 1931 (!) on, there`s stuff on artists,
Dr. Erika Fuchs and other things. Stories are Barks`
W/OS 79 about Donald as a milkman, which I think has
only been published in the CBL in the USA. Then there
is a Rosa story about his (Donald`s) 60th birthday,
and three more stories by Vicar, van Horn and Volker
Reiche.
Anybody care for that?
For all you fans of Barks` oil paintings out there,
who don`t know about it yet, a calender with 12
paintings in a superb quality has been published in
Germany for three years now. Last year it included
a bilingual (german/english) 20-page booklet with
lotsa info about the paintings.
For infos write to:
Dreidreizehn
Moorweg 49
D- 21337 Lueneburg
Germany, E.U.
I don`t know how much it is for foreign countries,
but the calendar only costs DM 50, which is about
$ 35 plus postage.
have a great day, everybody!
Danny Coenen
--"I am a Donaldist- why do I still have to
operate a computer with a Mouse???"
Danny Coenen
Kopernikusstr. 18 Tel. :
(049)2461/56129
D-52428 Juelich
Germany EU e-mail :
(Email removed)