TO HARRY:
>I have been converting your Dutch story list, and a lot of interesting
things are in there. For instance, a lot of Heymans stories are inked
by a person called Colle'. Who's that?
The mysterious inker is called Peter Colle, who worked as an inker for Mau
Heymans (great artists become very lazy!) Actually, I believe Mau isn't
very fond of inking himself, so somebody else does the dirty job. I've heard
that Peter Colle has stopped working for him, but I'm not sure.
>There are several 1-page gags with Daisy, drawn by Daan Jippes and
inked by Michel Nadorp. Was this supposed to be part of a project?
For the back of the DD Weekly, perhaps? (Jippes never made 52 of them,
though.)
Excuse me? These 1-page gags are DRAWN AND INKED bij Michel Nadorp himself.
Jippes only wrote the scripts en made the lay-out sketches. (And of course
Michel stayed very close tot Jippes original sketches!) A few years ago Mau
Heymans started a whole bunch of Katrien (Daisy)-oneshots for Donald Duck
Weekly. At the same time Jippes also started working on Daisy- oneshots, but
Mau and a couple of writers (like Evert Geradts) we're already doing the
job, so Jippes' work ended on the "shelf". According to Michel he made about
10 or 11 of these Daisy-oneshots, who appear sometimes in the DDW (Donald
Duck Weekly).
TO DON:
>Is there a chance that the editor of the monthly will join our group? The
weekly is "off limits" to my stuff.
Jos Beekman plans the comics in the monthly Donald Duck Extra. He actually
joins this group (that is: he reads all te messages over my shoulder), so if
you have anything to ask, go ahead. I (Pieter) sometimes translate some of
the stories (including yours).
Why is the Donald Duck Weekly "off limits" to you? Please explain...
Author
Topic: 199608
(341 messages)
Pieter Van Cleef
Colle'/Jippes-Nadorp/
Message 271 -
1996-08-26 at 13:47:00
Mikko Aittola
credits
Message 272 -
1996-08-26 at 15:08:38
Dave Rawson wrote:
> Hmmmmm... That does seem unfair, but perhaps it's just because Carl and
> Don's names help sell the books and my name or others of us don't.
How could they know your name wouldn't sell? They have never
printed your name in anywhere, so over 99% of the readers
don't even know you write some of the stories.
/Mikko
> Hmmmmm... That does seem unfair, but perhaps it's just because Carl and
> Don's names help sell the books and my name or others of us don't.
How could they know your name wouldn't sell? They have never
printed your name in anywhere, so over 99% of the readers
don't even know you write some of the stories.
/Mikko
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #182
Message 273 -
1996-08-26 at 16:04:52
JONATHAN:
Yes, that new version of the Family Tree left Matilda by herself, "out on a
limb". But in my "private, original" version of that Tree, as I've said,
she's married to Ludwig Von Drake.
JAN:
Who said I was coming to Denmark? You mean during my visit to Europe in late
'97? I have as yet received no invitation to Denmark. If you think that's a
good idea, all I can tell you is to suggest it to the local Egmont
publisher, and if they have some use for me I suppose they'll invite me. The
only visits I've made to Copenhagen were to the branch that I work for,
which is quite another thing than the Danish branch that actually publishes
the comics. Of course, I've met with those nice people while I was there --
last month we had a very nice but sadly very SHORT visit which left me
feeling rude for rushing off to another appointment and leaving them. But
Denmark doesn't seem to have comics-conventions or engage in promotional
campaigns, so they may not need someone like me to visit. We'll see.
JOS:
How great that you are also peeking at the Digest! Hello!!!
The only thing I wanted to ask you or at least be sure you were aware of
involves those 3-parters of mine that you use as single-parters. Instead of
going to the trouble of deleting the caption boxes and rescripting and then
still only ending up with very awkward 9th and 17th pages, why don't you
ever use the single-part versions of those stories? As you know (?), those
alternate versions eliminate the splash-panels and insert new half-pages of
gags and so forth to make the story read in a smooth and uninterupted
fashion. They'll send you those pages from Copenhagen if you ask for them --
and if they won't, *I* will anytime you like.
PIETER:
By saying that the weekly was "off-limits" to me, I only refer to the fact
that my work never appears there (or if it does, such as with that Family
Tree, it's redrawn) because they tell me the editors don't like my art. And
that doesn't offend me since I usually don't like my art either.
By the way, how can I persuade you folks to send me copies of that "Lo$"
album or the monthlies with my stories so that fans like Arthur and Harry
don't have to do it at their expense. Please?
Yes, that new version of the Family Tree left Matilda by herself, "out on a
limb". But in my "private, original" version of that Tree, as I've said,
she's married to Ludwig Von Drake.
JAN:
Who said I was coming to Denmark? You mean during my visit to Europe in late
'97? I have as yet received no invitation to Denmark. If you think that's a
good idea, all I can tell you is to suggest it to the local Egmont
publisher, and if they have some use for me I suppose they'll invite me. The
only visits I've made to Copenhagen were to the branch that I work for,
which is quite another thing than the Danish branch that actually publishes
the comics. Of course, I've met with those nice people while I was there --
last month we had a very nice but sadly very SHORT visit which left me
feeling rude for rushing off to another appointment and leaving them. But
Denmark doesn't seem to have comics-conventions or engage in promotional
campaigns, so they may not need someone like me to visit. We'll see.
JOS:
How great that you are also peeking at the Digest! Hello!!!
The only thing I wanted to ask you or at least be sure you were aware of
involves those 3-parters of mine that you use as single-parters. Instead of
going to the trouble of deleting the caption boxes and rescripting and then
still only ending up with very awkward 9th and 17th pages, why don't you
ever use the single-part versions of those stories? As you know (?), those
alternate versions eliminate the splash-panels and insert new half-pages of
gags and so forth to make the story read in a smooth and uninterupted
fashion. They'll send you those pages from Copenhagen if you ask for them --
and if they won't, *I* will anytime you like.
PIETER:
By saying that the weekly was "off-limits" to me, I only refer to the fact
that my work never appears there (or if it does, such as with that Family
Tree, it's redrawn) because they tell me the editors don't like my art. And
that doesn't offend me since I usually don't like my art either.
By the way, how can I persuade you folks to send me copies of that "Lo$"
album or the monthlies with my stories so that fans like Arthur and Harry
don't have to do it at their expense. Please?
Anders Engwall
Scary stories unsuitable for kids
Message 274 -
1996-08-26 at 17:02:31
Speaking of stories that migh be unsuitable for kids; I think the most
gruesome one I've ever seen is an Italian story in which Donald is
appointed ruler in some oriental country, his troops lose the ensuing civil
war, and he then is sentenced to death by decapitation - and he is only
seconds from having his head cut off when coincidence strikes...
According to the database, the artist was one Giovan Battista Carpi and the
code is I 330-B. It was printed in the very first pocket book.
---
Anders Engwall
"Alle man står still som en stum fisk, tills vi hittar den knyckta stångkorven!"
gruesome one I've ever seen is an Italian story in which Donald is
appointed ruler in some oriental country, his troops lose the ensuing civil
war, and he then is sentenced to death by decapitation - and he is only
seconds from having his head cut off when coincidence strikes...
According to the database, the artist was one Giovan Battista Carpi and the
code is I 330-B. It was printed in the very first pocket book.
---
Anders Engwall
"Alle man står still som en stum fisk, tills vi hittar den knyckta stångkorven!"
Karl-Erik Tallmo
Help with article about Strobl & Murry
Message 275 -
1996-08-26 at 19:29:54
Hi all,
(no, I am not new to this list, although many might think so, since it is
very seldom I unlurk nowadays. But I try to follow the discussions as
frequently as possible.)
I am looking for someone who could write an article - or probably two - for
my WWW 'zine The Art Bin. The subject I have in mind is something along
this line:
"Donald and Mickey - not just Barks and Gottredson: Here's Strobl and Murry"
Those are - as you might guess - my personal favorites next to the great
masters, of course. Some of you would certainly dispute me on this ranking,
but this is what I had in mind anyway. It would be nice to spread some
light over those two hidden artists.
The article - or articles - should contain some biographical data about
the artists as well as some analysis (not too deep or academic, of course
:-) of their style and of a couple of representative stories. Length? Well,
as long as it takes to get the story told, I guess.
And, yes, I pay for contributions!
I would be most grateful if someone on the list could help, either by
writing or by suggesting some other suitable person for the job.
Best regards,
Karl-Erik Tallmo
Stockholm
__________________________________________________________________
THE ART BIN MAGAZINE | http://www.nisus.se/artbin
KARL-ERIK TALLMO, editor | (Email removed)
CURRENT ISSUE: Psychedelic 60's band Love; poems by William B Hunt
__________________________________________________________________
(no, I am not new to this list, although many might think so, since it is
very seldom I unlurk nowadays. But I try to follow the discussions as
frequently as possible.)
I am looking for someone who could write an article - or probably two - for
my WWW 'zine The Art Bin. The subject I have in mind is something along
this line:
"Donald and Mickey - not just Barks and Gottredson: Here's Strobl and Murry"
Those are - as you might guess - my personal favorites next to the great
masters, of course. Some of you would certainly dispute me on this ranking,
but this is what I had in mind anyway. It would be nice to spread some
light over those two hidden artists.
The article - or articles - should contain some biographical data about
the artists as well as some analysis (not too deep or academic, of course
:-) of their style and of a couple of representative stories. Length? Well,
as long as it takes to get the story told, I guess.
And, yes, I pay for contributions!
I would be most grateful if someone on the list could help, either by
writing or by suggesting some other suitable person for the job.
Best regards,
Karl-Erik Tallmo
Stockholm
__________________________________________________________________
THE ART BIN MAGAZINE | http://www.nisus.se/artbin
KARL-ERIK TALLMO, editor | (Email removed)
CURRENT ISSUE: Psychedelic 60's band Love; poems by William B Hunt
__________________________________________________________________
Gary Leach
Disney comics Digest V96 #182
Message 276 -
1996-08-26 at 20:53:29
JAN:
>Back in 1990 The danish publisher Serieforlaget said that they planned to
>reprint the entire 1938 to 1969 run of Bob Karp / Al Talierferro newspaper
>strips.
>
> I know that Gladstone are currently reprinting about a months worth in every
>issue of DD (my only reason for bying it) - but I'd rather have softbound
>collections of an entire year. Are there any plans for Gladstone to do a
>"library" series of the Karp/Taliaferro stips?
Gladstone was planning to do a softbound reprint book of the 1938 run of
these strips back in 1989, to be titled "Walt Disney's Donald Duck - Day by
Day." Daan Jippes even drew a new cover illustration for it. To quote from
the "The Gladstone That Never Was" feature in DD #279 (Gladstone's last
issue prior to the Disney Disney Comics era), "The project was abandoned
when we were informed that two weeks worth of strips dealing with Donald's
misadventures among a tribe of Indians would have to be deleted." The party
that "informed" us of this was, of course, Disney. As the main goal of the
book was to present the complete run of strips for that period, we
reluctantly decided there was no use continuing with it.
Two issues (and three and a half years) later, Gladstone used Daan's
illustration for that book on the cover of DD #281, which featured a
sequence of DD strips by Ted Osborne and Al Taliaferro from 1936-37.
Gary
>Back in 1990 The danish publisher Serieforlaget said that they planned to
>reprint the entire 1938 to 1969 run of Bob Karp / Al Talierferro newspaper
>strips.
>
> I know that Gladstone are currently reprinting about a months worth in every
>issue of DD (my only reason for bying it) - but I'd rather have softbound
>collections of an entire year. Are there any plans for Gladstone to do a
>"library" series of the Karp/Taliaferro stips?
Gladstone was planning to do a softbound reprint book of the 1938 run of
these strips back in 1989, to be titled "Walt Disney's Donald Duck - Day by
Day." Daan Jippes even drew a new cover illustration for it. To quote from
the "The Gladstone That Never Was" feature in DD #279 (Gladstone's last
issue prior to the Disney Disney Comics era), "The project was abandoned
when we were informed that two weeks worth of strips dealing with Donald's
misadventures among a tribe of Indians would have to be deleted." The party
that "informed" us of this was, of course, Disney. As the main goal of the
book was to present the complete run of strips for that period, we
reluctantly decided there was no use continuing with it.
Two issues (and three and a half years) later, Gladstone used Daan's
illustration for that book on the cover of DD #281, which featured a
sequence of DD strips by Ted Osborne and Al Taliaferro from 1936-37.
Gary
Gerard Van Der Wolf
Introduction
Message 277 -
1996-08-26 at 21:16:57
Hello to you all,
For some time I have been "lurking" around, as Harry de Wolf writes in his
message from august 12. Although I don't have much time to make any
contributions to this list, I sure hope to be of any help if there is any
need for it.
To let you guys know who I am, and what I do, a little introduction:
I'm Dutch, aged 33 and collecting comics since somewhere back in the early
seventies. I even have my own subscription on the Dutch Donald Duck weekly
since december 1974 (and in the mean time some others came and went).
One of my intrests is the Disney Comics, and although I'm quite sure mine is
not the largest, I have a reasonable collection of (World wide) Disney
Comics, Disney Childrens Books and other Dutch Comics.
Besided my daily work as a programmer and teacher for Apple Macintosh
applications I'm quite busy with the printed stuff for Het Stripschap, a
Dutch organisation that is involved with the Comics in the Netherlands. On
October 11 and 12 we have our yearly celebration in Breda.
When possible I will make some contributions to the list. Anyway I will keep
trying to read the mail.
Regards,
Gerard van der Wolf - Hilversum, the Netherlands
e-mail: (Email removed)
For some time I have been "lurking" around, as Harry de Wolf writes in his
message from august 12. Although I don't have much time to make any
contributions to this list, I sure hope to be of any help if there is any
need for it.
To let you guys know who I am, and what I do, a little introduction:
I'm Dutch, aged 33 and collecting comics since somewhere back in the early
seventies. I even have my own subscription on the Dutch Donald Duck weekly
since december 1974 (and in the mean time some others came and went).
One of my intrests is the Disney Comics, and although I'm quite sure mine is
not the largest, I have a reasonable collection of (World wide) Disney
Comics, Disney Childrens Books and other Dutch Comics.
Besided my daily work as a programmer and teacher for Apple Macintosh
applications I'm quite busy with the printed stuff for Het Stripschap, a
Dutch organisation that is involved with the Comics in the Netherlands. On
October 11 and 12 we have our yearly celebration in Breda.
When possible I will make some contributions to the list. Anyway I will keep
trying to read the mail.
Regards,
Gerard van der Wolf - Hilversum, the Netherlands
e-mail: (Email removed)
Harry Fluks
Some comments
Message 278 -
1996-08-26 at 23:06:16
ARTHUR wrote to Jos Beekman:
> [..] I think they belong [..]
> I think you should [..]
> Why do you always [..]
> I think you should also [..]
> And I also think you should [..]
Well, tastes differ. And I'm sure the Dutch editors are doing what
they think is right. "I think you should" give them a break. OK?
--Harry.
> [..] I think they belong [..]
> I think you should [..]
> Why do you always [..]
> I think you should also [..]
> And I also think you should [..]
Well, tastes differ. And I'm sure the Dutch editors are doing what
they think is right. "I think you should" give them a break. OK?
--Harry.
Hugodiaz
Aqui, Argentina!!
Message 279 -
1996-08-27 at 00:14:39
Hola amigos de Disney!!... me he suscripto a esta lista pues amo todo lo
que tenga que ver con los comics de Disney, especialmente sus creaciones
antiguas, cuando el 'espiritu' de su creador aon andaba por all .
Pero, oh! decepci>=n... todo en ingles!!!!!, podria alguien contestarme en
espa+/-ol??, aun no me voy a borrar de la lista, porque tengo la esperanza
de si lo haya... de los contrario por favor informenme acerca de alguna
lista en este idioma.
Muchas Gracias.
--HUGO.
que tenga que ver con los comics de Disney, especialmente sus creaciones
antiguas, cuando el 'espiritu' de su creador aon andaba por all .
Pero, oh! decepci>=n... todo en ingles!!!!!, podria alguien contestarme en
espa+/-ol??, aun no me voy a borrar de la lista, porque tengo la esperanza
de si lo haya... de los contrario por favor informenme acerca de alguna
lista en este idioma.
Muchas Gracias.
--HUGO.
Dave Rawson
John Lustig
Message 280 -
1996-08-27 at 00:15:45
Jan Lund Thomsen: The manic pizza deliver story you praised was a John
Lustig story which William Van Horn illustrated. (It's a writer's lot,
no matter how good, to be virtually unrecognizable beneath the surface
of the art.)
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Lustig story which William Van Horn illustrated. (It's a writer's lot,
no matter how good, to be virtually unrecognizable beneath the surface
of the art.)
--
riverrun past Eve's and Adam's from swerve of shore to bend of bay
http://users.aol.com/dcrawson/home.htm
Michael Naiman
Denmark Digest participants
Message 281 -
1996-08-27 at 00:46:44
TO ALL FANS IN DENMARK:
Can anyone recommend a really simple Danish to English dictionary address
that might be on the net? I've started to compile words that look familiar
from the Disney comicbooks , but would appreciate any help!!
Can anyone recommend a really simple Danish to English dictionary address
that might be on the net? I've started to compile words that look familiar
from the Disney comicbooks , but would appreciate any help!!
Gary Leach
Credits Will Roll?
Message 282 -
1996-08-27 at 00:54:49
Byron! You ras-kew-el!
>Speaking of correcting credits, Gladstone just ran D 93151 "On the Ball"
>in Donald and Mickey #(don't have it handy right at the moment) with
>incomplete and incorrect credits. The _correct_ credits should be:
> Story by Dave Rawson _and_ Pat McGreal (or
>vice >versa)
> Art by Tino Santanach (how could anyone
>mistake >him for Branca?!)
>In the future, just ask me, Johnny!
"Johnny" tol' me to tell ya:
The story (it was in DD&MM #7) was provided to us with the information that
Dave Rawson was the author, no mention made of Pat. No slight of Pat
intended, his name just never came up. As for Santanach, apparently there's
at least one person who can mistake him for Branca. When we're in doubt,
ol' son, we'll certainly pick yer brain clean (as you know!). However, in
this case we weren't in doubt; we were just wrong. So there.
I myself add:
Mark Evanier is also making his case that he was not the author of "The
Cash Register Mystery" in US #299. Fair enough. However, the information
provided to us on that story when we acquired the material from Western
quite a number of years ago indicated that he was the writer. Again, having
no reason to question the info, we ran it as it stood.
Gary
>Speaking of correcting credits, Gladstone just ran D 93151 "On the Ball"
>in Donald and Mickey #(don't have it handy right at the moment) with
>incomplete and incorrect credits. The _correct_ credits should be:
> Story by Dave Rawson _and_ Pat McGreal (or
>vice >versa)
> Art by Tino Santanach (how could anyone
>mistake >him for Branca?!)
>In the future, just ask me, Johnny!
"Johnny" tol' me to tell ya:
The story (it was in DD&MM #7) was provided to us with the information that
Dave Rawson was the author, no mention made of Pat. No slight of Pat
intended, his name just never came up. As for Santanach, apparently there's
at least one person who can mistake him for Branca. When we're in doubt,
ol' son, we'll certainly pick yer brain clean (as you know!). However, in
this case we weren't in doubt; we were just wrong. So there.
I myself add:
Mark Evanier is also making his case that he was not the author of "The
Cash Register Mystery" in US #299. Fair enough. However, the information
provided to us on that story when we acquired the material from Western
quite a number of years ago indicated that he was the writer. Again, having
no reason to question the info, we ran it as it stood.
Gary
Deckerd
Danish Question
Message 283 -
1996-08-27 at 01:28:42
In the latest issue of Anders And that I've
received (34/96, 22 August), in the story
"En Plads paa Toppen" ("A Place at the Top")...
Donald says: "Et lille skridt for en and,
et kaempeskridt for en kommende koncernchef!"
(Literally: "A small step for a duck, a giant
step for a future managing director of the
company!")
Now, I know that the original intent of that
line was a play on Neil Armstrong's first
words when he stepped onto the Moon: "That's
one small step for a man, one giant leap for
mankind." What I don't know is what the standard
Danish translation of that line is and if what
Donald said is recognizable as a play on it.
For one thing, it doesn't help that Armstrong's
line has been misunderstood in English ever since
the moment he said it. The word "a" got lost in
the transmission and the initial phrase is often
rendered as "That's one small step for man..."
which sorta kinda makes sense because without
the article "man" in English means the human
race as a whole (or at least it did in 1969,
before feminism), but loses Armstrong's point
beccause "man" and "mankind" would be synonomous.
Anyway, my question is -- would a Danish reader
recognize the source of Anders/Donald's quotation?
--Dwight Decker
received (34/96, 22 August), in the story
"En Plads paa Toppen" ("A Place at the Top")...
Donald says: "Et lille skridt for en and,
et kaempeskridt for en kommende koncernchef!"
(Literally: "A small step for a duck, a giant
step for a future managing director of the
company!")
Now, I know that the original intent of that
line was a play on Neil Armstrong's first
words when he stepped onto the Moon: "That's
one small step for a man, one giant leap for
mankind." What I don't know is what the standard
Danish translation of that line is and if what
Donald said is recognizable as a play on it.
For one thing, it doesn't help that Armstrong's
line has been misunderstood in English ever since
the moment he said it. The word "a" got lost in
the transmission and the initial phrase is often
rendered as "That's one small step for man..."
which sorta kinda makes sense because without
the article "man" in English means the human
race as a whole (or at least it did in 1969,
before feminism), but loses Armstrong's point
beccause "man" and "mankind" would be synonomous.
Anyway, my question is -- would a Danish reader
recognize the source of Anders/Donald's quotation?
--Dwight Decker
Wilmer Rivers
U$ # 299
Message 284 -
1996-08-27 at 04:15:23
Quoting (without permission) Mark Evanier's "Point of View" column
for the September 6, 1996 issue of "Comics Buyer's Guide" (CBG # 1190)
about his experiences at the San Diego ComicCon on July 4:
"Several folks asked me to autograph a story in Gladstone's recently
released Uncle Scrooge # 299 - a reprint of a story credited to me.
I had to tell them that I had had nothing to do with that tale (nor
did the artist Gladstone had credited). This disappointed the auto-
graph seekers but it **really** disappointed some guy who said he's
already arranged for 743 people in Albania to vote for it in next
year's CBG Awards."
for the September 6, 1996 issue of "Comics Buyer's Guide" (CBG # 1190)
about his experiences at the San Diego ComicCon on July 4:
"Several folks asked me to autograph a story in Gladstone's recently
released Uncle Scrooge # 299 - a reprint of a story credited to me.
I had to tell them that I had had nothing to do with that tale (nor
did the artist Gladstone had credited). This disappointed the auto-
graph seekers but it **really** disappointed some guy who said he's
already arranged for 743 people in Albania to vote for it in next
year's CBG Awards."
Markoff
Scary stories
Message 285 -
1996-08-27 at 05:00:56
The Barks story I think is scariest is "The Old Castle's Secret," but I
*like* that story because of the scary part, since Barks' other villains
were usually just comical. In fact, it's my *very* favorite CB story. A
close second for the scariest of CB is "Terror of the River," but again in a
fun-scary way.
The scariest Rosa story I've seen? "Lo$" part 5 comes to mind, but that's
more awe-inspiring than scary.
The scariest Gottfredson MM story for me is probably "The Sky Adventure."
The scariest non-Gottfredson MM is "The Phantom Blot Bedtime Story" in MM
ADVENTURES 7-8 (1991). Byron Erickson's "A Mouse and his Dog" follows close
behind, but again, the awe outdoes the scariness.
(I haven't read "Runaway Brain" or "The Once and Future Duck.")
--Jonathan Markoff
*like* that story because of the scary part, since Barks' other villains
were usually just comical. In fact, it's my *very* favorite CB story. A
close second for the scariest of CB is "Terror of the River," but again in a
fun-scary way.
The scariest Rosa story I've seen? "Lo$" part 5 comes to mind, but that's
more awe-inspiring than scary.
The scariest Gottfredson MM story for me is probably "The Sky Adventure."
The scariest non-Gottfredson MM is "The Phantom Blot Bedtime Story" in MM
ADVENTURES 7-8 (1991). Byron Erickson's "A Mouse and his Dog" follows close
behind, but again, the awe outdoes the scariness.
(I haven't read "Runaway Brain" or "The Once and Future Duck.")
--Jonathan Markoff