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Fuchsims/German Barksisms:
thanks to Cord Wiljes (#179) and Soeren Schridde (#178)
and others for pointing out & discussing Barks/Fuchs-sayings
that have made it into mainstream(?) German. I was aware of some
but not all of them. Some are among the examples treated by
"Grobian Gans" in his interesting & beautiful little book
"Die Ducks: Psychogramm einer Sippe" from 1972.
The well-known book "Donaldismen" by Jon Gisle appeared
in Norway a couple of years later and has similarities to the Gans book.
Gisle's book made quite an impact here (as well as in Sweden,
as I understand; did it ever reach Denmark?).
Would one find "Das Erika Fuchs-Buch" in ordinary
bookstores in Germany? I'm in Berlin next week for a conference
and will look around. (And where can I expect to find "Don Rosa Alben",
around the Unter den Linden area?)
Nils Lid Hjort

Re the linguistics on this list that occasionally
wander confusedly outside English/American, contemplate this:
Rosa Rosa Rosa est est --
"a rose is a rose is a rose", or "Rosa is Rosa is Rosa" if one prefers,
in Latin. In Russian it's simply "Rosa - Rosa - Rosa".

PIETER:

> We order the films of the stories at Egmont, and they probably just send
> us "standard"-packages. We never knew it was possible to order films
> WITHOUT those stupid splash panels.

I repeatedly told you and Jos about this. And every time the reply is
"we never knew that". What were you thinking then, when I discussed
it?

> I can tell you how much trouble it is to write
> text for those extra caption-boxes

With some very funny results in the DuckTales stories: "If you just
opened the book on this page, this is what happened before: AAAGH
BANG WOOPS HIYAHIYA!"
(I never like the Ducktales albums that much, but sometimes they have
enjoyable translations. I remember one story where the natives all spoke the
dialect of Utrecht..)

Q> 1. Why are Don Rosa's stories not printed in the weekly;
> As I said, we don't think the style is "BARKS" enough. Our editors
> believe that the work of, say Van Horn, is more suitable for our readers
> of the DDWeekly.

Bad example... I think you meant Vicar, not Van Horn. Van Horn is also
"DD Extra-only", just like Rota, and as it seems even Branca.

> The second [Dutch Life of Scrooge] album is lying on my desk for two
> weeks now, so I assume it must be in the shops about now.

It is scheduled for week 37, that's 2 weeks from now. BTW, album #3
is scheduled for week 49. Just in time for Sinterklaas, I hope.

> Making our own covers is cheaper than buying them.

That's surprising! Only recently we heard the opposite from Gladstone!

> Jippes draws most of the covers of "The best stories of Donald Duck"

The one cover he *didn't* draw recently, was by Nadorp. It showed Donald
without head (illustrating "The Old Castle's Secret"). I think that was a good
choice, for seeing a Nadorp Duck-head on that album series would have
been very confusing! 8-)

> Michel Nadorp, who
> is IMHO the best Dutch cover-artist. His work is excellent.

I would prefer a Jippes cover over 10 Nadorp-covers... (but then
again, Jippes is no competition.)

> Mind you: 99% of our readers are NOT interested in Don Rosa of Van
> Horn, they are interested in Donald Duck and the upcoming adventures
> and stories.

I think a lot of people would like to collect Don Rosa stories, in stead of
what they probably collect now: the stories by "that very good artist who
always puts needless and irritating details in his stories".
A (very small) credit section would help people a lot. I remember I wanted
it 20 years ago. Nowadays, we have a database for that, but not every fan
has access to Internet... (and the database is not perfect either 8-)

> Adding names of artists and writers has no commercial value...

Well then, is there a commercial value in mentioning the names of "Who
make Donald Duck (weekly)" and "Who make Donald Duck Extra"?
I'm not saying these texts should or shouldn't be there, I'm just curious!

> Thanks for saving our butts, Harry!

Well, I'm not saving anything *this* time, it seems... 8-)

--Harry.
(Former student of econometrics who buys DD Extra only for the Rosa
stories)

PIETER VAN CLEEF, ETC:

Has Daan Jippes (or Mau Heymans, or anyone else) redrawn CB's "Peril of the
Black Forest" from JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS 6?

How do you pronounce the name Daan Jippes?

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BYRON:
The question was asked here before, but you haven't yet answered
it. Why not credits? Is it Egmont policy to ignore that question or is
it simply a question which you have to answer daily and have gotten tired
of? Surely the printing of the credits wouldn't make the sales go down!

>(and assign the scripts of my deadly enemies -- they know who they are! --
>to artists who still think they need to first find the ink with the little
>colored dots in it before they can actually start drawing!).

If I'll ever get a script pass you I promise I won't send needless
and irritating questions like the above one to you again. I promise! :)

11 p.m. Wow! (that Gerstein info certainly prooved to us that you
had been up long ;)

HUGODIAZ:
Siis kuten jo sanoin sinä iljettävä limapallo voisit pikkuhiljaa
oppia kunnioittamaan parempiasi siinä määrin että puhuisit kieltä jota
hekin ymmärtävät, kerpele!

DON AND DANNY:
Haven't there been Barks (and Rosa?) stories around suggesting
that Scrooge has more than one money bin? I seem to remember something
like that certainly done by other artists.

DAVE:
Yes, Van Horn's bodies are ok, but the heads and the stories! It
really send cold shivers down my spine at its worst.

PIETER:
>The weekly-readers are about 8 to 12 years old. While the Montly-readers
>turned out to be much older (about 10-15 years).That was a real surprise to

Could this be the result of the story-choice rather than the
other way around?

>Mind you: 99% of our readers are NOT interested in Don Rosa of Van Horn ,

I, of course, can't say this or that about the way the Dutch
think, but I do have rather firm ground under my argument that at least
90% of the Finnish over 12-year-old readers ARE interested in Don Rosa
and Carl Barks (perhaps some even in Van Horn). People go to stores and
check the stories in the new Aku Ankka and if one of them is by Don Rosa
(and before his name got published 'by that new, interesting artist who
puts lots of needless and irritating detail in his stories') or by Carl
Barks whose name has been known in Finland from the sixties.

And although the Finnish Aku Ankka doesn't usually print credits
either, they are always sure to do so in the cases of Rosa and Barks and
sometimes in the editor's page they mention Daan Jippes or William Van
Horn. I don't know if that is the reason for it, but related to the
population of the country, Aku Ankka sells the best of all the Disney comics
world-wide.

>Adding names of artists and writers has no commercial value... (except for

Surely it has no commercial invalue! I mean people would hardly
call you canceling subscriptions and making complaints about having to look
a small box full of (yuch!) names in their comic books..

PER:
> 29 fi = Finland (6 hut, 3 jyu, 2 cute, 2 helsinki, 2 pp.kolumbus, 2 trantex)

That's almost ten percent! It would seem that what I said about
Aku Ankka's popularity in Finland goes for the list, too :)

HARRY:
>"DD Extra-only", just like Rota, and as it seems even Branca.

Surely Branca can't be considered 'not Barks enough' by anybody?!

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

<<Mark Evanier is also making his case that he was not the author of "The
Cash Register Mystery" in US #299. Fair enough. However, the information
provided to us on that story when we acquired the material from Western
quite a number of years ago indicated that he was the writer. Again, having
no reason to question the info, we ran it as it stood.
Gary>>

It's hard for most of us to id writers (Mark Evanier is easier for me, as
he gave me a list of everything he wrote for Gold Key). However the penciler
was obviously by Jack Manning and not by Kay Wright. Gladstone credited it
to Wright (because Western indicated he did it?), thus leading to my comment
that Gladstone can't see the difference between the two. I tried to
sweeten my comment, by admitting that many people have problems seeing the
styles of the 2nd and 3rd string Disney artists.

I'm gone to the beach for a week; so no comments from me (here or e-mail)
till I get back. I do plan to read some Disney at the beach. Best
Steven Rowe

Hi, people.

It has been I long time since the last time I de-lurked. And I actually
lost also the last month digest, due to some problem with my mailserver.
Oh, well... let me just greetings all the new additions to the list: in
fact, the resume from Per was quite impressive (not ot mention the 16
Italians.. well, 17 with Frank Staiano!).

Besides going any further, however, and answering the few Italian trivia
arose this week, let me give you the most startling message. I'M MOVING TO
BERLIN!!

After more than ten years in Pisa, I got a temporary position at the Berlin
University for the next year and a half. This message is, of course, a kind
of advertisement: is there any friendly Berliner who is willing to share
some information on comics, ducks and related stuff? Please send your
enquiries to the Italian e-mail address, where it will be forwarded to the
German one :-)

But after that, let me get into some hot topic.

Anders wrote:

>Speaking of stories that migh be unsuitable for kids; I think the most
>gruesome one I've ever seen is an Italian story in which Donald is
>appointed ruler in some oriental country, his troops lose the ensuing civil
>war, and he then is sentenced to death by decapitation - and he is only
>seconds from having his head cut off when coincidence strikes...
>
>According to the database, the artist was one Giovan Battista Carpi and the
>code is I 330-B. It was printed in the very first pocket book.

Well, and what about `Topolino e il Doppio Mistero di Macchia Nera',
published as `Phantom Blot's double mistery' (if I remember right) by
Gladstone? It is by Scarpa and Martina, and it portrays a Mickey stabbing
to death Chief O'Hara. Not to talk about `Mickey's Inferno', by Martina and
Bioletto. All the early scripts by Martina are quite violent and to a
certain extent `sadistic': they lose their edge from the Sixties on.
Btw, for those of you whop do not know, Martina is the most important of
the so-called Italian Disney writers, working with Mondadori since
mid-Forties, and he is maybe the most prolific Disney writer of the world,
with more the seven hundred Disney stories under his belt (not to talk
about all his freelance work).

Gary wrote:

>JAN:
>
>>Back in 1990 The danish publisher Serieforlaget said that they planned to
>>reprint the entire 1938 to 1969 run of Bob Karp / Al Talierferro newspaper
>>strips.
>>
>> I know that Gladstone are currently reprinting about a months worth in
>>every
>>issue of DD (my only reason for bying it) - but I'd rather have softbound
>>collections of an entire year. Are there any plans for Gladstone to do a
>>"library" series of the Karp/Taliaferro stips?
>
>Gladstone was planning to do a softbound reprint book of the 1938 run of
>these strips back in 1989, to be titled "Walt Disney's Donald Duck - Day by
>Day."
[...]

Many strips have been reprinted also quite recently in Italy. Both on some
huge hardcover volumes (like the infamous `Io Topolino' and `Io paperone'
of the Seventies, with the reformatted stories), in colour but a nice
version nevertheless. And in a `for collector's only' edition by ANAF (the
Italian association of comic fans). Write me if you want some more
information (just not to bother the other guys of the list with
not-so-exciting details about an obscure-language edition)

And then, Marco wrote:

>Just to put straight a couple of things.
>
> "The Mystery of the Candlesticks,"is not by Cavazzano (IMHO not even in his
>style) but is by G. B. Carpi.

He is also the writer. A nice story, in my opinion: it is incredible that,
despite he is almost seventy years old, he is producing his better stuff
right now.

> "Duckburg Olympics" (a multi-part Italian story with over 200 pages!) is by
>Romano Scarpa (at least the art is)

Also in this case the artist is also the writer. However, we must say that
it is not IMHO one of Scarpa's best. And I do like Scarpa, mind you: two of
my favourite duck stories are `Lentils from Babylon' and `The Colossus of
the Nile'.

And since we are here, let me just give you a small piece of trivia I
runned across this week (normal people are suggested to skip it and go to
the next message). RAI, the national television company, is broadcasting
some old tv shows. In an episode from Canzonissima 1969 (a singer context
that was quite popular in its days) Mario Gentilini, the old editor of the
weekly Topolino, made an appearance showing how the weekly was produced.
There was a huge poster of the splash page on `Paperino e le patate
autosbuccianti' (`Donald and the self-peeling potatoes') and while
Gentilini explained how most of the stories appearing in the weekly were
done in Italy, two artists were drawing on the background Donald and Mickey
shacking hands. Most important, the two artist at the end were introduced
to the public: Mr. Carpi and Mr. Scarpa themselves. A nice thing,m really:
expecially since it was originally broadcasted at the peak-hour, with more
than 5 million viewers.

But let us go back to the Olimpic Story.

>>In 1992 the Finnish pocket book series had a book with just one single
>>story in it. The length of the story was 250 pages in three row format.
>>The code is ?-1708
>>
>in fact codes range from I-1705 to I-1713.

The same story has been recently reprinted in one-book by Disney Italy, for
the Atlanta games.

Finally, Rivh wrote:

> Some very interesting commentary these last few Digests, which I'm taking
>advantage of one of my very rare free moments to respond to.
> I most assuredly wouldn't concur with Harry about Vic Lockman being the
>WORST comics writer or artist at the moment. In an industry that gives
>artistic assignments, sometimes even fame and hype, to Rob Liefeld, Erik
>Larsen, Ron Frenz and innumerable others, and writing assignments (and often
>prestigious ones) to people like Ron Marz and Peter Milligan who have
>difficulty putting two words together, Lockman positively shines. Even among
>Disney writer/artists, Lockman's far from the worst (I've seen some rather
>dull stuff during the waning Western days).

Well, I cannot say that Milligan is on of my hero (hi, Mikko :-), but I
actually liked the early issues of Shade, not to mention most of his
previous British work. And yes, the Italian can offer some of the worst
artists ever, much worse than those of Western. Let us try to be positive,
OK, and let us avoid writing too negative reviews.

But enough mainstream comics. And enough comics at all. `I'm just waiting
for a friend' (Rolling Stones), expecially if he is from Berlin.

Ad maiora,

Fabio

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