Mike Pohjola wrote:
> Come to think of it, it probably wasn't by WVH, since the story
> code begins with a different letter than in his stories.
It WAS by William Van Horn. He has written and drawn stories
for Egmont (D-codes) for years now.
> Yet, I can't quite understand that he's such a valued artist and
> writer if he makes stories like "Coin of the Realm"!
"Coin of the Realm" was originally a DuckTales story. So, it
isn't necessarily in (Barks')character. It's also pretty old,
and WVH has improved his art quite a bit since then.
Joachim Butz wrote about "Mickey horror-story":
> I know this horror story. I saw it at the Erlangen Comic Convention. The
> art is done by Ulrich Schroeder who is an art director at Disney/Paris yet.
Gary Leach, can you print this story ASAP??? Please!
/Mikko
Author
Topic: 199608
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Mikko Henri Juhani Aittola
Disney comics Digest V96 #175
Message 181 -
1996-08-19 at 11:53:59
Marco Barlotti
Guardians of the lost library... and more
Message 182 -
1996-08-19 at 13:01:43
After my last slightly off-topic postings, here is a strictly Disneyan
message: that is, some comments (and questions, of course) on the last issue
of "Zio Paperone" (#83).
Content: the classic Barksian "Seven cities of Cibola"; "Guardians of the
lost library" (D92380, hereinafter GotLL), by Don Rosa; "Gold of the
'49ers", script by Carl Barks and art by Daan Jippes; "Bringing up parents",
by Fred Milton and Daan Jippes.
I was really anxious to read Don's GotLL, because this is in some sense
Don's FIRST $crooge story ever published in Italy. "In some sense", of
course: and that's because Lo$ is somehow peculiar, has by its nature a
rythm which is different from that of a classic 28-page self contained
adventure; "Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies" is still subject to being
regarded as a "Chapter Zero" of the same Lo$; and the only other Rosa story
ever appeared in Italy is his excellent "Life is wonderful" parody (on which
some time I plan to come back with comments&questions...) which is
essentially a Donald Duck story and anyway a sort of "Life of Donald" full
of Barksian references rather than a self-contained "new" adventure. So
GotLL was a kind of test to see whether Don really WAS or wasn't able to
recreate the flavour of a Barksian "great" adventure. Well, in my opinion he
really WAS able. There is plot, rythm, surprises and the "spirit" of a
classic Barksian story; with a typical "Rosa" touch in the details, both in
the drawings and in the dialogues (or at least those which the translator
was able to render...) which is important as well, because of course if you
are not Barks you must do something DIFFERENT from Barks; retaining a
certain "flavour", if you want to work on Barks' characters you MUST add
something of your own; you must, so to say, go BEYOND Barks or else you are
just copying him. (This somehow applies to Jippes' work; I'll be back on
this subject in a few lines).
So, after my warmest CONGRATULATIONS, Don, here come a couple of questions:
(1) In Rosa's spirit, or better what "I" thought was Don Rosa's spirit, I
was expecting to find among the lots of mice appearing in the last pages at
least a Mickey one, but I couldn't spot any. Did I miss it, or was I simply
wrong in expecting it?
(2) The monk in the Venetian abbey (page 15). Is the abbey really after "San
Lazzaro degli Armeni" as a note in "Zio Paperone" suggests? But, also:
doesn't the face of the monk resemble a well-known comic-book writer of
Italian origin, currently living in the USA and working for Egmont? (I
didn't have as yet the pleasure to meet him, but I've seen some pictures...)
[By the way, I like to point out a strange coincidence... In a 1982 Italian
story (script by Figus, art by Scala), "Zio Paperone e il carro ittita"
(I-1377, reprinted in CWNS 159) the plot starts "in a large underground
library which is right below $crooge's money bin" (the origin of which is
not explained). But what is more surprising, is to find in the same story
(in the splash-panel on the 20th page) the symbol of the guardians, the ibis
bird representing Toth... nothing more than a coincidence, of course, but a
surprising one!]
Now something about the two Jippes stories. Until a few months ago this
artist was virtually unknown in Italy, but by now I feel I can give my
(first, perhaps wrong) opinion. His drawings are good, very "Barksian",
probably too "Barksian". I think that you can't just copy a style; you
should somehow add something of your own and (until now, of course) I can't
see the "personal touch" in Jippes' work. I prefer, in this sense, other
"classical" artists like Rota.
I have a question here, too, for anyone who has access to the original
version of "Bringing up parents" (code: H/DDI/786. By the way, what does
that stand for? It's not as clear as a simple H92167...). The story, of
course, is nothing new: there is a classic Disney cartoon which has EXACTLY
the same plot and even the same GAGS. But in the last page of the comic book
"version", the "happy birthday" note for Donald says: "Dear uncle Donald,
since we know you DON'T smoke we give you this surprise present (cigars);
happy birthday from HDL". Now, of course, this wasn't in the cartoon and
doesn't make sense at all (I don't smoke, and certainly it would be a weird
present for me a box of cigars and/or cigarettes!). Is it an inconsistency
of Milton's script, or did the "evil translator" strike again?
I'm waiting for your comments!
Marco
message: that is, some comments (and questions, of course) on the last issue
of "Zio Paperone" (#83).
Content: the classic Barksian "Seven cities of Cibola"; "Guardians of the
lost library" (D92380, hereinafter GotLL), by Don Rosa; "Gold of the
'49ers", script by Carl Barks and art by Daan Jippes; "Bringing up parents",
by Fred Milton and Daan Jippes.
I was really anxious to read Don's GotLL, because this is in some sense
Don's FIRST $crooge story ever published in Italy. "In some sense", of
course: and that's because Lo$ is somehow peculiar, has by its nature a
rythm which is different from that of a classic 28-page self contained
adventure; "Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies" is still subject to being
regarded as a "Chapter Zero" of the same Lo$; and the only other Rosa story
ever appeared in Italy is his excellent "Life is wonderful" parody (on which
some time I plan to come back with comments&questions...) which is
essentially a Donald Duck story and anyway a sort of "Life of Donald" full
of Barksian references rather than a self-contained "new" adventure. So
GotLL was a kind of test to see whether Don really WAS or wasn't able to
recreate the flavour of a Barksian "great" adventure. Well, in my opinion he
really WAS able. There is plot, rythm, surprises and the "spirit" of a
classic Barksian story; with a typical "Rosa" touch in the details, both in
the drawings and in the dialogues (or at least those which the translator
was able to render...) which is important as well, because of course if you
are not Barks you must do something DIFFERENT from Barks; retaining a
certain "flavour", if you want to work on Barks' characters you MUST add
something of your own; you must, so to say, go BEYOND Barks or else you are
just copying him. (This somehow applies to Jippes' work; I'll be back on
this subject in a few lines).
So, after my warmest CONGRATULATIONS, Don, here come a couple of questions:
(1) In Rosa's spirit, or better what "I" thought was Don Rosa's spirit, I
was expecting to find among the lots of mice appearing in the last pages at
least a Mickey one, but I couldn't spot any. Did I miss it, or was I simply
wrong in expecting it?
(2) The monk in the Venetian abbey (page 15). Is the abbey really after "San
Lazzaro degli Armeni" as a note in "Zio Paperone" suggests? But, also:
doesn't the face of the monk resemble a well-known comic-book writer of
Italian origin, currently living in the USA and working for Egmont? (I
didn't have as yet the pleasure to meet him, but I've seen some pictures...)
[By the way, I like to point out a strange coincidence... In a 1982 Italian
story (script by Figus, art by Scala), "Zio Paperone e il carro ittita"
(I-1377, reprinted in CWNS 159) the plot starts "in a large underground
library which is right below $crooge's money bin" (the origin of which is
not explained). But what is more surprising, is to find in the same story
(in the splash-panel on the 20th page) the symbol of the guardians, the ibis
bird representing Toth... nothing more than a coincidence, of course, but a
surprising one!]
Now something about the two Jippes stories. Until a few months ago this
artist was virtually unknown in Italy, but by now I feel I can give my
(first, perhaps wrong) opinion. His drawings are good, very "Barksian",
probably too "Barksian". I think that you can't just copy a style; you
should somehow add something of your own and (until now, of course) I can't
see the "personal touch" in Jippes' work. I prefer, in this sense, other
"classical" artists like Rota.
I have a question here, too, for anyone who has access to the original
version of "Bringing up parents" (code: H/DDI/786. By the way, what does
that stand for? It's not as clear as a simple H92167...). The story, of
course, is nothing new: there is a classic Disney cartoon which has EXACTLY
the same plot and even the same GAGS. But in the last page of the comic book
"version", the "happy birthday" note for Donald says: "Dear uncle Donald,
since we know you DON'T smoke we give you this surprise present (cigars);
happy birthday from HDL". Now, of course, this wasn't in the cartoon and
doesn't make sense at all (I don't smoke, and certainly it would be a weird
present for me a box of cigars and/or cigarettes!). Is it an inconsistency
of Milton's script, or did the "evil translator" strike again?
I'm waiting for your comments!
Marco
Nils Lid Hjort
Rocketeer, and Dr. Erika Fuchs
Message 183 -
1996-08-19 at 13:33:42
* I'm resending this after the various machine crashes.
Thanks for your efforts, Per. *
Hello folks,
I've been away from the list for quite some time
(work & vacation), and am in the process of wading
through several weeks' worth of list contributions.
At the moment allow me two non-substantial comments/questions:
1. Like Dwight Decker [digest #172] I also noticed with pleasure
the Rocketeer costume among Gyro's "Abandoned Projects"
in the opening panel of "The Universal Solvent" (WDC 604).
Dave Stevens (?, from memory) published this quite charming
"pre-war fake period story" in the mid 80ies --
so it only makes perfect literary sense that Rosa, in 1995,
who pretends to live in 1955, left in something that,
created in 1985, pretended to have existed since 1938.
. I only know of one Rocketeer album, published 1985.
It ends in "mid-air", more or less. Is there a second album?
. Is Gyro quite right in filing the helmet under "abandoned projects"?
Is there a Rocketeer film out there, based on the comic book?
2. Danny Coenen wrote, back in digest #166:
<<But some mottos and words invented by Dr. Fuchs are a part
of the standard German language today, although most
people don't know that it was the Disney translations
that introduced these things. >>
. Could you/others share some of these Fuchs-examples with the list?
Nils Lid Hjort, Oslo
Thanks for your efforts, Per. *
Hello folks,
I've been away from the list for quite some time
(work & vacation), and am in the process of wading
through several weeks' worth of list contributions.
At the moment allow me two non-substantial comments/questions:
1. Like Dwight Decker [digest #172] I also noticed with pleasure
the Rocketeer costume among Gyro's "Abandoned Projects"
in the opening panel of "The Universal Solvent" (WDC 604).
Dave Stevens (?, from memory) published this quite charming
"pre-war fake period story" in the mid 80ies --
so it only makes perfect literary sense that Rosa, in 1995,
who pretends to live in 1955, left in something that,
created in 1985, pretended to have existed since 1938.
. I only know of one Rocketeer album, published 1985.
It ends in "mid-air", more or less. Is there a second album?
. Is Gyro quite right in filing the helmet under "abandoned projects"?
Is there a Rocketeer film out there, based on the comic book?
2. Danny Coenen wrote, back in digest #166:
<<But some mottos and words invented by Dr. Fuchs are a part
of the standard German language today, although most
people don't know that it was the Disney translations
that introduced these things. >>
. Could you/others share some of these Fuchs-examples with the list?
Nils Lid Hjort, Oslo
Nils Lid Hjort
Van Horn gets famous
Message 184 -
1996-08-19 at 14:48:33
VAN HORN earns FAME:
Last week's Norwegian/Scandinavian weekly features a Van Horn
leading story (D96 009, "Nature takes care") as well as a separate,
all-Van Horn extra (KD 0990, "Batting dangers" + KJD 005-1,
"Hair-rising story") (these are approximate translations
from the Norwegian, not the original titles).
What is interesting and unusual is that it very prominently
gives WvH's name _on the cover_ (at least the Norwegian issue does):
"Extra wild stories, drawn and told by VAN HORN",
"Van Horn-special appendix".
He might be _the third_ humanoid to earn this distinction
(after Barks and Rosa), or has Paul Murry ever had his name
on the cover?
These are not uninteresting editorial decisions.
It used to be "Walt Disney", then a period with "Barks + all others",
then "Barks + Rosa + the rest" since about 1991 (?). We shall see.
At least the KJD 005-1 story is actually _not_
"drawn and told by Van Horn", in that the story is by John Lustig
("It's Bats, Man!"), according to the WvH-index I found via
Per's pages.
A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with,
as the list agreed on some months back when in one of its more
linguistic-stylistic moods; it is also something that not should be used
in sentences where its presence renders an otherwise correct statement untrue.
On the leading-inner-page the DD&Co magazine says, under
"Do you know Van Horn?": "Read more about Van Horn in the extra album!"
But there are no words _about_ him there.
Nils Lid Hjort
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #176
******************************************
Last week's Norwegian/Scandinavian weekly features a Van Horn
leading story (D96 009, "Nature takes care") as well as a separate,
all-Van Horn extra (KD 0990, "Batting dangers" + KJD 005-1,
"Hair-rising story") (these are approximate translations
from the Norwegian, not the original titles).
What is interesting and unusual is that it very prominently
gives WvH's name _on the cover_ (at least the Norwegian issue does):
"Extra wild stories, drawn and told by VAN HORN",
"Van Horn-special appendix".
He might be _the third_ humanoid to earn this distinction
(after Barks and Rosa), or has Paul Murry ever had his name
on the cover?
These are not uninteresting editorial decisions.
It used to be "Walt Disney", then a period with "Barks + all others",
then "Barks + Rosa + the rest" since about 1991 (?). We shall see.
At least the KJD 005-1 story is actually _not_
"drawn and told by Van Horn", in that the story is by John Lustig
("It's Bats, Man!"), according to the WvH-index I found via
Per's pages.
A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with,
as the list agreed on some months back when in one of its more
linguistic-stylistic moods; it is also something that not should be used
in sentences where its presence renders an otherwise correct statement untrue.
On the leading-inner-page the DD&Co magazine says, under
"Do you know Van Horn?": "Read more about Van Horn in the extra album!"
But there are no words _about_ him there.
Nils Lid Hjort
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #176
******************************************
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #175
Message 185 -
1996-08-19 at 16:28:00
PER:
I'll gladly add my thanks for your maintaning this List so well, so long.
And while I'm addressing you, I see a few others hinting towards something I
was wondering if you could do if it's not too much trouble -- if, say, a
single key stroke might print it up rather than you assembling it by hand.
But I'm curious as to how many members are currently in this List, and how
they "break down" by countries. I think you did something like that a few
years back, and I'm sure it must be different now?
Anyway, I'm sorry to hear that the previous few messages we've sent in are
lost, as I never keep copies of such messages, and I think at least two
fairly long messages I've sent seem to have disappeared. I always figure
they'll bounce back if they don't get through, and I can just forward them
back... but nothing was received or bounced, so they're gone. I can't recall
what I might have been jabbering about, but since I never do anything here
but answer questions, perhaps someone could repeat some question that I
never seemed to answer, and I'll know what was in those missing messages and
I can try to recreate them.
NIAGARA FALLS:
I did see Gary Pantzer there and I hope I was not too distracted to treat
him nicely. (I'm always a bit flusteres by crowds since I spend the rest of
my time in a sort of "seclusion" out here in the country.) But after he and
several other fervent Duckfans stopped to see me, the rest of the days were
quite quiet -- so few Disney comics fans in America, but everyone knows all
that already. All those people who say they wait 5+ hours in queues in
Europe to see me would find it a pretty strange sight, I guess... but
conversely, the American super-hero kids would find the sight of people
waiting more than 13 seconds to see a Duck writer or artist equally unthinkable.
Anyway, it was a VERY quiet convention. Roger Stern and Peter David weren't
very bust either. And we had a look at Niagara Falls, which was nice and
wide and wet... but the general area up there seemed rather run-down and
seedy. The word "tacky" comes to mind. I guess that happens to very old,
easilly accessible, *free* tourist attractions. And that's why I like to
spend my vacations hiking around in some backcountry area of some remote
corner of someplace. But I should also mention that the fella who ran the
convention, Phil Conley, is one of those dinosaurs of the hobby -- a very
nice, very generous guy who, though he naturally hopes to turn some small
profit on the show, is primarilly interested in treating comic fans and
professionals and collectors to a pleasant weekend whether he can turn a
profit or not. That's the spirit of American comic fandom from 30 years
ago... and needless to say, dinosaur that he is, Phil's first love are the
Disney/Barks Ducks. Anyway, even though he's not here on the List, I thank
him for a most hospitable and pleasant show.
Speaking of me at these conventions -- I'm not sure what to say about some
of you folks talking about making copies of my convention illustrations and
passing them around. Keep in mind that you're not dealing with copying and
distributing DC or Marvel characters! None of those drawings I do at such
shows should be copied -- they are for the private ownership of the single
individual I did them for. If you're going to pass them around, don't do it
on a public forum like this! There are lurkers here watching for anything
they can report to whoever they can think of, just to do anyone on here
damage. Certain ones of you know I'm not kidding about that. So watch your
step, especially with *my* drawings.
And speaking of Kentucky Colonels and Col.Sanders: yeah, he started his
chicken bizniz just a ways east of me here... I've often been out to his old
country restaurant which is still in business (though it lost the rights to
serving the Kentucky Fried Chicken about 35-40 years ago). And they make
people Kentucky Colonels at the drop of a hat in Kentucky. All that has to
happen is some group sends in some nomination and a few bucks, and bang,
you're a certified Kentucky Colonel. My wife is one, and the guy who works
at the local gas station is one, and so forth. In fact, I just realized that
my wife has her certificate hanging right over my computer station here. The
only privilege I think it bestows is free admission to an annual bipartisan
political picnic held around Derby Time (to which she's never gone).
I'll gladly add my thanks for your maintaning this List so well, so long.
And while I'm addressing you, I see a few others hinting towards something I
was wondering if you could do if it's not too much trouble -- if, say, a
single key stroke might print it up rather than you assembling it by hand.
But I'm curious as to how many members are currently in this List, and how
they "break down" by countries. I think you did something like that a few
years back, and I'm sure it must be different now?
Anyway, I'm sorry to hear that the previous few messages we've sent in are
lost, as I never keep copies of such messages, and I think at least two
fairly long messages I've sent seem to have disappeared. I always figure
they'll bounce back if they don't get through, and I can just forward them
back... but nothing was received or bounced, so they're gone. I can't recall
what I might have been jabbering about, but since I never do anything here
but answer questions, perhaps someone could repeat some question that I
never seemed to answer, and I'll know what was in those missing messages and
I can try to recreate them.
NIAGARA FALLS:
I did see Gary Pantzer there and I hope I was not too distracted to treat
him nicely. (I'm always a bit flusteres by crowds since I spend the rest of
my time in a sort of "seclusion" out here in the country.) But after he and
several other fervent Duckfans stopped to see me, the rest of the days were
quite quiet -- so few Disney comics fans in America, but everyone knows all
that already. All those people who say they wait 5+ hours in queues in
Europe to see me would find it a pretty strange sight, I guess... but
conversely, the American super-hero kids would find the sight of people
waiting more than 13 seconds to see a Duck writer or artist equally unthinkable.
Anyway, it was a VERY quiet convention. Roger Stern and Peter David weren't
very bust either. And we had a look at Niagara Falls, which was nice and
wide and wet... but the general area up there seemed rather run-down and
seedy. The word "tacky" comes to mind. I guess that happens to very old,
easilly accessible, *free* tourist attractions. And that's why I like to
spend my vacations hiking around in some backcountry area of some remote
corner of someplace. But I should also mention that the fella who ran the
convention, Phil Conley, is one of those dinosaurs of the hobby -- a very
nice, very generous guy who, though he naturally hopes to turn some small
profit on the show, is primarilly interested in treating comic fans and
professionals and collectors to a pleasant weekend whether he can turn a
profit or not. That's the spirit of American comic fandom from 30 years
ago... and needless to say, dinosaur that he is, Phil's first love are the
Disney/Barks Ducks. Anyway, even though he's not here on the List, I thank
him for a most hospitable and pleasant show.
Speaking of me at these conventions -- I'm not sure what to say about some
of you folks talking about making copies of my convention illustrations and
passing them around. Keep in mind that you're not dealing with copying and
distributing DC or Marvel characters! None of those drawings I do at such
shows should be copied -- they are for the private ownership of the single
individual I did them for. If you're going to pass them around, don't do it
on a public forum like this! There are lurkers here watching for anything
they can report to whoever they can think of, just to do anyone on here
damage. Certain ones of you know I'm not kidding about that. So watch your
step, especially with *my* drawings.
And speaking of Kentucky Colonels and Col.Sanders: yeah, he started his
chicken bizniz just a ways east of me here... I've often been out to his old
country restaurant which is still in business (though it lost the rights to
serving the Kentucky Fried Chicken about 35-40 years ago). And they make
people Kentucky Colonels at the drop of a hat in Kentucky. All that has to
happen is some group sends in some nomination and a few bucks, and bang,
you're a certified Kentucky Colonel. My wife is one, and the guy who works
at the local gas station is one, and so forth. In fact, I just realized that
my wife has her certificate hanging right over my computer station here. The
only privilege I think it bestows is free admission to an annual bipartisan
political picnic held around Derby Time (to which she's never gone).
Geir J. Netland
Van Horn gets famous
Message 186 -
1996-08-19 at 18:15:00
Nils L. H.
> What is interesting and unusual is that it very prominently
> gives WvH's name _on the cover_ (at least the Norwegian issue does):
> "Extra wild stories, drawn and told by VAN HORN",
> "Van Horn-special appendix".
> He might be _the third_ humanoid to earn this distinction
> (after Barks and Rosa), or has Paul Murry ever had his name
> on the cover?
I guess making the drawers famous is a part of the "new" attitude from
the Norwegian publishers. The numbers of sold "Donald Duck & co" are going
down, and I guess they can't relay on Don Rosa ONLY, to make the numbers
go up again. I really think that making the writers/drawers known is a
smart move, because more people would then be "addicted".
Paul Murry's name has at least been mentioned in the "Donald Duck & co",
but not on a cover. Don't ask me when and where! THAT I don't remember!
---------------
Geir J. Netland
---------------
------------------------------------
| So, you're *scared*, eh? Well |
| these *roosters* aren't chicken! |
| Er...um...Sure they're *chicken* |
| but not *chicken* chickens! |
------------------------------------
http://www.misjonshs.no:80/~geinet
> What is interesting and unusual is that it very prominently
> gives WvH's name _on the cover_ (at least the Norwegian issue does):
> "Extra wild stories, drawn and told by VAN HORN",
> "Van Horn-special appendix".
> He might be _the third_ humanoid to earn this distinction
> (after Barks and Rosa), or has Paul Murry ever had his name
> on the cover?
I guess making the drawers famous is a part of the "new" attitude from
the Norwegian publishers. The numbers of sold "Donald Duck & co" are going
down, and I guess they can't relay on Don Rosa ONLY, to make the numbers
go up again. I really think that making the writers/drawers known is a
smart move, because more people would then be "addicted".
Paul Murry's name has at least been mentioned in the "Donald Duck & co",
but not on a cover. Don't ask me when and where! THAT I don't remember!
---------------
Geir J. Netland
---------------
------------------------------------
| So, you're *scared*, eh? Well |
| these *roosters* aren't chicken! |
| Er...um...Sure they're *chicken* |
| but not *chicken* chickens! |
------------------------------------
http://www.misjonshs.no:80/~geinet
Harry Fluks
"and more" (Marco)
Message 187 -
1996-08-19 at 20:14:42
Marco:
> I have a question here, too, for anyone who has access to the original
> version of "Bringing up parents" (code: H/DDI/786. By the way, what
> does that stand for? It's not as clear as a simple H92167...).
The code should have been H/DD//786, which is the 6th story in 1978
with main character DD (The /'s are just separators). In 1979, they
started to use the codes like H 7954, which makes more sense.
> the "happy birthday" note for Donald says: "Dear uncle Donald,
> since we know you DON'T smoke we give you this surprise present
> (cigars); happy birthday from HDL".
This is something the translator made up. The original just said
"Happy birthday, Uncle Donald. H., D. and L."
As implied, this story is from 1978. That was the time Jippes and
Milton were making stories in "the Barks tradition", which at the time
was unique in the world. They managed to make 2 or 3 ten-pagers a
year. Their focus was especially on the art.
At the time, I *loved* to see those stories, because they were so much
better than any non-Barks story then published. And I still like most of
them.
The redrawing of the JW stories began 13 years later, in 1991. Jippes
had a few styles of his own in between (look at the 1-page sunday gags
he drew), but the redrawing he did in a quite "conservative" 1950s-Barks
style, to be as faithful as possible to the Barks sketches. And I think he
succeeds in that. The JW drawings are clearly not Barks, but they are
very close to the Barks pencils.
Jippes has often been the master style-copier. But he always exaggerated
someone else's style. His Mickey was more Gottfredson than Gottfredson's.
His Gaston more Franquin, his Asterix more Uderzo, and his Duck more
Barks. And that's probably how you can recognise Jippes' "style".
--Harry.
> I have a question here, too, for anyone who has access to the original
> version of "Bringing up parents" (code: H/DDI/786. By the way, what
> does that stand for? It's not as clear as a simple H92167...).
The code should have been H/DD//786, which is the 6th story in 1978
with main character DD (The /'s are just separators). In 1979, they
started to use the codes like H 7954, which makes more sense.
> the "happy birthday" note for Donald says: "Dear uncle Donald,
> since we know you DON'T smoke we give you this surprise present
> (cigars); happy birthday from HDL".
This is something the translator made up. The original just said
"Happy birthday, Uncle Donald. H., D. and L."
As implied, this story is from 1978. That was the time Jippes and
Milton were making stories in "the Barks tradition", which at the time
was unique in the world. They managed to make 2 or 3 ten-pagers a
year. Their focus was especially on the art.
At the time, I *loved* to see those stories, because they were so much
better than any non-Barks story then published. And I still like most of
them.
The redrawing of the JW stories began 13 years later, in 1991. Jippes
had a few styles of his own in between (look at the 1-page sunday gags
he drew), but the redrawing he did in a quite "conservative" 1950s-Barks
style, to be as faithful as possible to the Barks sketches. And I think he
succeeds in that. The JW drawings are clearly not Barks, but they are
very close to the Barks pencils.
Jippes has often been the master style-copier. But he always exaggerated
someone else's style. His Mickey was more Gottfredson than Gottfredson's.
His Gaston more Franquin, his Asterix more Uderzo, and his Duck more
Barks. And that's probably how you can recognise Jippes' "style".
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Question for Don
Message 188 -
1996-08-19 at 20:18:25
DON:
> perhaps someone could repeat some question that I
> never seemed to answer, and I'll know what was in those missing
> messages and I can try to recreate them.
My question was about "Treasure under Glass". Did you finish that story
before you did the other 3 early stories for Egmont, or did you just
do the script (which Holland rejected), and drew the story later?
--Harry.
> perhaps someone could repeat some question that I
> never seemed to answer, and I'll know what was in those missing
> messages and I can try to recreate them.
My question was about "Treasure under Glass". Did you finish that story
before you did the other 3 early stories for Egmont, or did you just
do the script (which Holland rejected), and drew the story later?
--Harry.
Joachim Butz
Re Digest 175: BYRON ERICKSON / "Runaway Brain" Todd Klein
Message 189 -
1996-08-20 at 01:29:41
BYRON ERICKSON:
Hello, nice to hear You joined this list). So the second man (besides Don
Rosa) responsible for my currently interest in Duck comics caused by
legendary U$ #219 with the extraordinary "Sun of the Son" is on the list.
Great.
I am very glad reading a contribution to this list. Thanks a lot.
>my normally empty head!
We will be very glad to hear ..errh read sometimes of the little tiny rest
of information remaining in this 'normally empty head!'.:-))
I hope I won't bore you to much, if I carry on the discussion about
"Runaway Brain".
> I can't remember his official title
I don't know if 'art director' is a real titel. But at the Erlangen comic
con he had been introduced as 'art director'
>The story was done for the French Disney weekly
Do you know if the story was really printed in the weekly? Or was it only
planned to print in the weekly and later redirected to another publication?
>The great art is by Ulrich Schroeder!
It *IS* great. But horrible too. The former president of the German Duck
fanclub DONALDISTEN had been more shocked as I. She had been a little bit
furious because she' s afraid to give stories like this to her children. She
said the cliffhanger in 'The Once and Future Duck' (Donald should be cut off
head) was tough stuff causing her daughter a nightmare. She didn't really
slept the night after reading the story (true!).
And it is nice to hear whats going on with you and Ulrich Schröder.
Any comments/annotations/corrections to my contribution in Digest #175?
TODD KLEIN
> And it might not be a bad idea to do a printout of
>the comments about Gladstone to give to Bruce. He might not always be pleased
>with them, but better to consider complaints than ignore them, don't you
>think?
I hope they will do so!
Joachim Butz
Ruggerstr. 27
70569 Stuttgart
GERMANY
Hello, nice to hear You joined this list). So the second man (besides Don
Rosa) responsible for my currently interest in Duck comics caused by
legendary U$ #219 with the extraordinary "Sun of the Son" is on the list.
Great.
I am very glad reading a contribution to this list. Thanks a lot.
>my normally empty head!
We will be very glad to hear ..errh read sometimes of the little tiny rest
of information remaining in this 'normally empty head!'.:-))
I hope I won't bore you to much, if I carry on the discussion about
"Runaway Brain".
> I can't remember his official title
I don't know if 'art director' is a real titel. But at the Erlangen comic
con he had been introduced as 'art director'
>The story was done for the French Disney weekly
Do you know if the story was really printed in the weekly? Or was it only
planned to print in the weekly and later redirected to another publication?
>The great art is by Ulrich Schroeder!
It *IS* great. But horrible too. The former president of the German Duck
fanclub DONALDISTEN had been more shocked as I. She had been a little bit
furious because she' s afraid to give stories like this to her children. She
said the cliffhanger in 'The Once and Future Duck' (Donald should be cut off
head) was tough stuff causing her daughter a nightmare. She didn't really
slept the night after reading the story (true!).
And it is nice to hear whats going on with you and Ulrich Schröder.
Any comments/annotations/corrections to my contribution in Digest #175?
TODD KLEIN
> And it might not be a bad idea to do a printout of
>the comments about Gladstone to give to Bruce. He might not always be pleased
>with them, but better to consider complaints than ignore them, don't you
>think?
I hope they will do so!
Joachim Butz
Ruggerstr. 27
70569 Stuttgart
GERMANY
Markoff
Phooey, Milkman
Message 190 -
1996-08-20 at 02:00:26
HARRY:
>It will be, in the next version. Both Ole Reichstein and Gilbert Roser listed
>the story in the Danish and German indexes. I'll add a comment to it:
>[app:Phooey]. The two other stories showing 4 nephews will also
>have this comment.
BTW, "Mastering the Matterhorn" should also include the note app:BB.
DANNY COENEN:
Barks' milkman story was printed in WDC&S 550.
>It will be, in the next version. Both Ole Reichstein and Gilbert Roser listed
>the story in the Danish and German indexes. I'll add a comment to it:
>[app:Phooey]. The two other stories showing 4 nephews will also
>have this comment.
BTW, "Mastering the Matterhorn" should also include the note app:BB.
DANNY COENEN:
Barks' milkman story was printed in WDC&S 550.
Markoff
WDC 121-122
Message 191 -
1996-08-20 at 02:09:00
GLADSTONE:
I guess you've had messages like this just *pouring* in since you joined the
list, but I've got two reprint requests--the Grandma Duck stories from WDC&S
121-122, which, as the list has heard, contain the answer to the question of
Grandma Duck's real name. How about in DONALD DUCK, as a relief from Taliaferro?
--Jonathan Markoff
I guess you've had messages like this just *pouring* in since you joined the
list, but I've got two reprint requests--the Grandma Duck stories from WDC&S
121-122, which, as the list has heard, contain the answer to the question of
Grandma Duck's real name. How about in DONALD DUCK, as a relief from Taliaferro?
--Jonathan Markoff
Danny Coenen
Mickey horror story
Message 192 -
1996-08-20 at 09:05:20
Joachim:
WHAT??? That guy draws Mickey Mouse comics- and he is
a Donaldist??? What the **** is wrong with him???
(I guess that would be the reaction of many people
in our organization.) I am a lot more tolerant,
although I think Mickey Mouse is a pretty stupid
character, but that`s of course just my opinion.
Without him Donald Duck would probably not even exist
today...
I like Mickey more in the cartoons and in Movies like
Fantasia than as a comic character.
Have a good day, everybody!!!
Danny Coenen
"It`s not fair. At least a trackball should be
called "Duck".
Danny Coenen
Kopernikusstr. 18 Tel. :
(049)2461/56129
D-52428 Juelich
Germany EU e-mail :
(Email removed)
WHAT??? That guy draws Mickey Mouse comics- and he is
a Donaldist??? What the **** is wrong with him???
(I guess that would be the reaction of many people
in our organization.) I am a lot more tolerant,
although I think Mickey Mouse is a pretty stupid
character, but that`s of course just my opinion.
Without him Donald Duck would probably not even exist
today...
I like Mickey more in the cartoons and in Movies like
Fantasia than as a comic character.
Have a good day, everybody!!!
Danny Coenen
"It`s not fair. At least a trackball should be
called "Duck".
Danny Coenen
Kopernikusstr. 18 Tel. :
(049)2461/56129
D-52428 Juelich
Germany EU e-mail :
(Email removed)
Byron Erickson
Vanity, vanity, all is vanity
Message 193 -
1996-08-20 at 14:35:55
A couple of comments on comments in Digest #176:
DON MARKOFF WROTE:
> I haven't read this "Mickey horror story" you've been writing about,
>but I think that term would actually fit your "A Mouse and his Dog" >story in DDMM5! But that's why your story was one of my favorites >published by Gladstone yet--especially because most of the previous DM >and DDMM issues were those seen-one-seen-all, sleep-inducing >"Goofy-History" stories.
Thanks. It's all the more horrific because it's true (I shudder to even
think about it!).
As far as "Runaway Brain" goes -- I don't think it's a horror story in
_any_ sense of the word, not even in the wimpy definitions used by ACG
or Charlton in the '60s. This is FUNNY stuff, folks.
HARRY FLUKS
> Schroeder once again proves he is a VERY good artist!
> (Maybe Jippes was involved for the layouts of the story?)
Nope. It was all Ulrich. FYI, I just talked with Ulrich this morning,
and he is very pleased to hear the nice comments you people have been
making about his art (although he got a big laugh out of being confused
for Jippes). The author of the story is Jean-Luc Cochet, the editor in
charge of Le Journal de Micky. Ulrich says he's very pleased with the
adaptation, one reason being because Jean-Luc came up with comic book
storytelling techniques to replace unusable film storytelling
techniques.
> The next version of the Database is planned (as ftp files and partly
> as WWW pages) for the beginning of September.
Which brings us to the subject line above. Assuming any Egmont
freelancers want to add to/correct any of the entries found in the
Disney Creator's Indexes, should they just send the information to you?
Like, for example, I _could_ add to the index of stories I've written,
assuming I want the world to know I wrote a very very very very sweet
and sappy Little Mermaid story once upon a time. And, again assuming
people want to send in info, how would you like to have it?
Speaking of correcting credits, Gladstone just ran D 93151 "On the Ball"
in Donald and Mickey #(don't have it handy right at the moment) with
incomplete and incorrect credits. The _correct_ credits should be:
Story by Dave Rawson _and_ Pat McGreal (or vice versa)
Art by Tino Santanach (how could anyone mistake him for Branca?!)
In the future, just ask me, Johnny!
And as long as I'm babbling, this story has not seen print in Europe and
won't (the ball in the story is a toy like a rubic's cube, and it's on
sale here so we don't want to promote it (never mind that we did the
story as a promotion for the ball in Hong Kong)).
Howsomever, I liked the story so much that I re-edited it (changed the
ball into an amulet), got a more "lively" artist to draw it (Ferioli),
and it will be published in our weeklies #s 41 and 42, 1996, with a new
code number (D 95173) and a new title ("The Road to Mandalay").
Ferioli's art makes all the difference in the world, says I (but then I
think he's the best Mickey artist to come along since before the
invention of the two-way ratchet).
Hm... I seem to recall writing something about not contributing to this
list. Guess I'll have to reaffirm my resolve... tomorrow.
DON MARKOFF WROTE:
> I haven't read this "Mickey horror story" you've been writing about,
>but I think that term would actually fit your "A Mouse and his Dog" >story in DDMM5! But that's why your story was one of my favorites >published by Gladstone yet--especially because most of the previous DM >and DDMM issues were those seen-one-seen-all, sleep-inducing >"Goofy-History" stories.
Thanks. It's all the more horrific because it's true (I shudder to even
think about it!).
As far as "Runaway Brain" goes -- I don't think it's a horror story in
_any_ sense of the word, not even in the wimpy definitions used by ACG
or Charlton in the '60s. This is FUNNY stuff, folks.
HARRY FLUKS
> Schroeder once again proves he is a VERY good artist!
> (Maybe Jippes was involved for the layouts of the story?)
Nope. It was all Ulrich. FYI, I just talked with Ulrich this morning,
and he is very pleased to hear the nice comments you people have been
making about his art (although he got a big laugh out of being confused
for Jippes). The author of the story is Jean-Luc Cochet, the editor in
charge of Le Journal de Micky. Ulrich says he's very pleased with the
adaptation, one reason being because Jean-Luc came up with comic book
storytelling techniques to replace unusable film storytelling
techniques.
> The next version of the Database is planned (as ftp files and partly
> as WWW pages) for the beginning of September.
Which brings us to the subject line above. Assuming any Egmont
freelancers want to add to/correct any of the entries found in the
Disney Creator's Indexes, should they just send the information to you?
Like, for example, I _could_ add to the index of stories I've written,
assuming I want the world to know I wrote a very very very very sweet
and sappy Little Mermaid story once upon a time. And, again assuming
people want to send in info, how would you like to have it?
Speaking of correcting credits, Gladstone just ran D 93151 "On the Ball"
in Donald and Mickey #(don't have it handy right at the moment) with
incomplete and incorrect credits. The _correct_ credits should be:
Story by Dave Rawson _and_ Pat McGreal (or vice versa)
Art by Tino Santanach (how could anyone mistake him for Branca?!)
In the future, just ask me, Johnny!
And as long as I'm babbling, this story has not seen print in Europe and
won't (the ball in the story is a toy like a rubic's cube, and it's on
sale here so we don't want to promote it (never mind that we did the
story as a promotion for the ball in Hong Kong)).
Howsomever, I liked the story so much that I re-edited it (changed the
ball into an amulet), got a more "lively" artist to draw it (Ferioli),
and it will be published in our weeklies #s 41 and 42, 1996, with a new
code number (D 95173) and a new title ("The Road to Mandalay").
Ferioli's art makes all the difference in the world, says I (but then I
think he's the best Mickey artist to come along since before the
invention of the two-way ratchet).
Hm... I seem to recall writing something about not contributing to this
list. Guess I'll have to reaffirm my resolve... tomorrow.
Mike Schneiderath
Contest: Lenghts of stories and other things
Message 194 -
1996-08-20 at 15:25:22
Here are a few Questions from the german Sector of the Mailing List
SCOOGE vs. BEAGLE BOYS
1. the owner of a local comic shop said, that he buyed an great
amount of Disney Comics (Gold Key, Gladstone, Dell,...), that he will
soon receive.
And as he said that would not only be very expensive ones, but things
like the "Scrooge vs. the Beagle Boys Series" (from the 70ties?)
which were never published in Germany.
Does anybody know if there is something special about these Comics,
that would make them worth buying?
MICKY MOUSE
2. I ve read about a Micky Comic that featured realistic
(Superherocomiclike) Background graphics. Does somebody know
something about it. Was this an unique try. Were there any reprints of
that story.
DON:
the above mentioned Book Store-keeper told me that the American
Version of the forthcoming U$T&L Harcover Collectors Edition will
each be signed personally by your highness.
(And that makes them so so expensive?)
Is this true? If it is so I guess I would rather buy the German
Version and send it to you to get it signed.(Even if the postage
might be enoumous). - Oh, just joking! ;-)
Story Lenght Contest:
I dont t know if anybody has thought of it yet (If so, you won t need
to read any further), but how many Album lenght Micky or Duck Comics
do exist, or better:
What are ten longest Disney Comics that were ever printed.
(I came up with it because DON said he is allowed one 28+ pages Story
per Year)
Nominees go to :
DD finds Pirat Gold (how many pages had this one?)
The German "Aus onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe" Series (48 pages)
...
...just leave it to the experts...
mike
SCOOGE vs. BEAGLE BOYS
1. the owner of a local comic shop said, that he buyed an great
amount of Disney Comics (Gold Key, Gladstone, Dell,...), that he will
soon receive.
And as he said that would not only be very expensive ones, but things
like the "Scrooge vs. the Beagle Boys Series" (from the 70ties?)
which were never published in Germany.
Does anybody know if there is something special about these Comics,
that would make them worth buying?
MICKY MOUSE
2. I ve read about a Micky Comic that featured realistic
(Superherocomiclike) Background graphics. Does somebody know
something about it. Was this an unique try. Were there any reprints of
that story.
DON:
the above mentioned Book Store-keeper told me that the American
Version of the forthcoming U$T&L Harcover Collectors Edition will
each be signed personally by your highness.
(And that makes them so so expensive?)
Is this true? If it is so I guess I would rather buy the German
Version and send it to you to get it signed.(Even if the postage
might be enoumous). - Oh, just joking! ;-)
Story Lenght Contest:
I dont t know if anybody has thought of it yet (If so, you won t need
to read any further), but how many Album lenght Micky or Duck Comics
do exist, or better:
What are ten longest Disney Comics that were ever printed.
(I came up with it because DON said he is allowed one 28+ pages Story
per Year)
Nominees go to :
DD finds Pirat Gold (how many pages had this one?)
The German "Aus onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe" Series (48 pages)
...
...just leave it to the experts...
mike
Arthur De Wolf
French Disney comics distribution
Message 195 -
1996-08-20 at 21:44:32
Hi!
SOMEONE:
I recall someone asking for information on what countries French
Disney comics are distributed to. The main question was, if French Disney
comics are also sold in Canada. Okay ... here we go:
(I got this information from Didier Ghez, who got it from the
editor of French Picsou Magazine)
The publisher of Disney comics in France is Hachette Presse. It's
the largest publisher in the world. It distributes it's Disney comics
not only in France, but also in other parts of the world, where the
French language is spoken. That are:
In EUROPE: Belgium and Switzerland
In NORTH AMERICA: Parts of Canada, St. Pierre and Mignelon(?)
In SOUTH AMERICA: Haiti, French Guiana, Guadaloupe and Martinique
In AUSTRALASIA: New Caledonia, Wallis and Fununa Islands and French
Polynesia
In the territories of the French Southern and Antartic lands,
Crozet Islands, Kreguelen and Amsterdam & St. Paul (these are
islands near Antartica) and in Indochina
In Africa there are LOTS of countries in which French is spoken.
Hachette publishes a special Disney comic called "Mickey et Compagnie", that
is only distributed to Africa. To those countries in particular:
Algeria, Morocco, Chad, Niger, Zaire, Benin, Burkina Faso, Tunisia,
Ghana, Burundi, Cameroon, Congo, Central African Republic, Cote d'Ivoire,
Gabon, Republic of Mali, Islamic Republic of Mauritania, Rwanda, Senegal
and Togo.
Phew! No wonder Hachette is the biggest publisher in the world!!!
I hope I answered your question! (Whoever you are!)
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
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SOMEONE:
I recall someone asking for information on what countries French
Disney comics are distributed to. The main question was, if French Disney
comics are also sold in Canada. Okay ... here we go:
(I got this information from Didier Ghez, who got it from the
editor of French Picsou Magazine)
The publisher of Disney comics in France is Hachette Presse. It's
the largest publisher in the world. It distributes it's Disney comics
not only in France, but also in other parts of the world, where the
French language is spoken. That are:
In EUROPE: Belgium and Switzerland
In NORTH AMERICA: Parts of Canada, St. Pierre and Mignelon(?)
In SOUTH AMERICA: Haiti, French Guiana, Guadaloupe and Martinique
In AUSTRALASIA: New Caledonia, Wallis and Fununa Islands and French
Polynesia
In the territories of the French Southern and Antartic lands,
Crozet Islands, Kreguelen and Amsterdam & St. Paul (these are
islands near Antartica) and in Indochina
In Africa there are LOTS of countries in which French is spoken.
Hachette publishes a special Disney comic called "Mickey et Compagnie", that
is only distributed to Africa. To those countries in particular:
Algeria, Morocco, Chad, Niger, Zaire, Benin, Burkina Faso, Tunisia,
Ghana, Burundi, Cameroon, Congo, Central African Republic, Cote d'Ivoire,
Gabon, Republic of Mali, Islamic Republic of Mauritania, Rwanda, Senegal
and Togo.
Phew! No wonder Hachette is the biggest publisher in the world!!!
I hope I answered your question! (Whoever you are!)
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
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