HARRY:
>Well, what a coincidence. I happen to think Vic Lockman is the WORST
>Disney comics writer and artist at the moment. (I know, I said that before
>on this list, but Jonathan asked...)
Was that a few months ago? (I wasn't on this list until June 8.)
>As an artist, he depictured Gyro Gearloose without hair (in 2 recent=
stories).
>What a shock! I didn't even recognise the bird at first!
That *is* one of VL's more annoying habits, but even CB was not perfect.
Gyro has a large bald spot in Barks' "Around the World in 80 Minutes" story
in WDC&$ 212.
>As a writer, he managed to write a recent story that really offended me.
I actually agree with that one (although I'm not sure "offended" is the
right term in my case). Besides its incomprehensible excuse for a moral, it
just isn't a good story. The beginning is very exciting--HDL hacking their
way through the brush of the woods, like they're about to come onto some
ring of intrigue like the Beagle Boys' world headquarters hidden in the
forest. But then this Tommy Moccasin stuff comes along, and the story's
interesting-ness decreases at a regular pace. I feel that VL and JW just
don't mix--he is so much better at Beagle Boys! (BTW, the VL-written story I
feel is WORST is "Of Badges and Beagles" in Disney Disney Comics' DUCKTALES
8. That story starts
goes for TWENTY-SIX PAGES without getting interesting.)
But as I said before, Vic Lockman is a master of Beagle Boys! While Barks
restricted his Beagles to a bunch of lookalikes with no distinctive
personalities (except for the prune-fetish), Lockman has invented a lot of
silly cousins and uncles with names such as "Dumb-One," "Uncle Generous,"
"Lucky 7-11," and most prominently the BB's nephews, the Beagle Brats. (Or
did someone else invent those? I just know VL used them most.)
My favorite VL story is "Beagle Bug-Off" in UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES 34.
This is 17 pages, but stays interesting throughout! It has two or three
3/4-page panels with impressive Waldo-like detail, and lots of hilarious
little things, like the BB's "Jericho attack" on the Money Bin. It's also
the story most chock-full of diverse Beagle generations. I also liked the
4-page VL stories in U$A 28, 32 and 38, and in U$ 299.
Beagle translation search: I have a Colombian comic from 1980(?), Tribil=EDn
56. (If the mailer shows jibberish symbols, the name should be Tribilin with
an accent over the last i--it's the Colombian name for Goofy.) A story in it
is called "El Supermotorista," which means (surprise!) The Supermotorist. A
Beagle cousin named Chico Mon Chico (literally something like "Boy My Boy,"
if my memory serves) who rides a hyped-up motorcycle in a stunt show, comes
to the BB's door (and is first shown dressed like a mummy), and they go to
rob a diamond store in a tall building, but the building has a "lucky"
system of numbering it's floors. I think the art is Peter Alvarado. (Harry,
are youy taking database notes?) I says "W-34" on the first page, so maybe
it's from BEAGLE BOYS 34? Anyone have that issue? (BTW, a clue to his
original name is that he always has the initials CMC on the chest plate of
his armored suit, except in one panel that the translator must have missed,
where it is BCB.)
BTW, according to the database Lockman once wrote a story that Barks drew!
That was "The Invisible Intruder" in U$ 44. Do you know this for a fact, or
is that just a guess from the plot style? This story begins with Scrooge as
duckling, already with sideburns and pince-nez, yearning for a bed with
springs, since he is so poor he has to sleep in a bureau drawer. As he got
older he was able to make larger beds by being a lumberjack, and now he is
the owner of a profitable bed factory, and his own bed is now so big that he
could easily get lost wandering around in it. Then, the real plot begins as
he hears and feels an intruder walking around on the bed but sees noone when
he turns on the light.
The first page of this story has Scrooge shining a row of people's shoes at
the same time with an extra-long shiner attached to suspenders. As Don Rosa
notes in his "Life of $crooge" source credits, he copied that panel (but
changed young U$' appearance) in chapter 1, and disregarded "TII"'s very
silly plot.
CORD:
>JONATHAN:
>Sorry for the net-slang IMHO=3D"In my humble opinion". I promise it won't
>happen again.
Well, I guess I had to learn sometime.(Actually, I put BTW in my messages=
alot.)
STEVE:
>Mark Evanier tells me that my guess for the inker on the reprint in US299=
is
>wrong. He's not sure who did ink it. He confirms that he did not wrote=
it.
The story is very Lockmanesque. The art is by Jack Manning, a judgement I
make from comparison to "The New Buck Mobile" (U$ 180 and 296) which
Gladstone credits to him.
ERIC:
>If anyone is interested, I have a list of email abbreviations that
>I can send to you. It's about 120 lines long.
I guess we've got nothing to lose.
--Jonathan Markoff
Author
Topic: 199608
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Markoff
Lockman, IMHO
Message 256 -
1996-08-25 at 16:27:54
Michael Naiman
Barks paintings
Message 257 -
1996-08-25 at 18:58:38
CORD WILJES:
I really believe that you must stand in front of a "real life" Barks
painting to fully appreciate their impact. The rich glow that eminates from
a Money Bin
painting is almost overpowering. I find that I ignore the "detail" of the
coins and gems and bask in the Rembrantesque golden glow that Carl is able
to capture in his work.
At his 95th birthday Bash, I found it necessary to take time off from
looking at all of these paintings in one place at one time...your eyeballs
could
get overloaded!!
I really believe that you must stand in front of a "real life" Barks
painting to fully appreciate their impact. The rich glow that eminates from
a Money Bin
painting is almost overpowering. I find that I ignore the "detail" of the
coins and gems and bask in the Rembrantesque golden glow that Carl is able
to capture in his work.
At his 95th birthday Bash, I found it necessary to take time off from
looking at all of these paintings in one place at one time...your eyeballs
could
get overloaded!!
Wilmer Rivers
Barks paintings
Message 258 -
1996-08-25 at 20:34:42
Michael Naiman writes of Barks' paintings:
> At his 95th birthday Bash, I found it necessary to take time off from
> looking at all of these paintings in one place at one time...your eyeballs
> could get overloaded!!
This was my experience too. Having so many of his paintings in a rela-
tively small gallery was really overwhelming. Money bins to the right
of you, money bins to the left of you - with all the detail in the
drawings, and with the rich glow of color that Michael mentions, you
felt as if you were walking through the streets of Duckburg!
I kept coming back to The Flying Dutchman, a painting in which the
Ducks themselves were only a small detail. It makes you appreciate
Barks' approach to composition. If you feel that his paintings are
crammed too full of small touches, you should see them full-sized - it's
not so distracting there as it can be in page-sized reproductions.
Wilmer Rivers
> At his 95th birthday Bash, I found it necessary to take time off from
> looking at all of these paintings in one place at one time...your eyeballs
> could get overloaded!!
This was my experience too. Having so many of his paintings in a rela-
tively small gallery was really overwhelming. Money bins to the right
of you, money bins to the left of you - with all the detail in the
drawings, and with the rich glow of color that Michael mentions, you
felt as if you were walking through the streets of Duckburg!
I kept coming back to The Flying Dutchman, a painting in which the
Ducks themselves were only a small detail. It makes you appreciate
Barks' approach to composition. If you feel that his paintings are
crammed too full of small touches, you should see them full-sized - it's
not so distracting there as it can be in page-sized reproductions.
Wilmer Rivers
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #181
Message 259 -
1996-08-25 at 20:58:49
STEVE:
Righto! It was Richard Hughes at ACG who first started giving full
writer/artist credits in the splash-panels of all his comics stories. But
since that wasn't Marvel or DC, everyone ignores it. He also had a regular
letters page in each issue starting much earlier... around 1955. I was
re-noticing such things while Lou Mougin was calling me to get info on many
ACGs (from my complete sets of them) for that Internet comics database. (I
s'pose at the mention of my name nowadays, most people might say "oh, the
Duck guy"... 20 years ago comic-fandom would have said "oh, the
comics-historian answer-man".) But people only recognize such achievements
if it was DC or Marvel. I mean, everyone has pointless debates about who the
first modern, silver-age mutant-radioaction-derived costumed super-hero was.
J'onn J'onzz? Supergirl? Flash? Capt. 3D? But it was lil' ol' Captain Flash
by Mike Sekowsky there in his own title over at Sterling Comics. But who
cares about him? His first issue in 19544-55 doesn't sell for
$15,000-$50,000 like a SHOWCASE #4, but only about $25. Poor Captain Flash.
So, what has this to do with Disney comics? You'll need to toss
Steve Rowe and Rich Morrissey out of this group so I won't regress with
their help into one of my former lives and multitude of other comic-book
interests!
ARTHUR:
Yes, I thought that Ulrich Schroeder was sending me the PICSOUs, and then I
thought Didier was, but they each kept getting absolute promises from the
publisher that I'd start getting a subscription... but the sub never showed
up and in the meantime, Ulrich and Didier would stop sending me copies.
(This is exactly the same trouble I'm having getting copies of ZIO
PAPERONE!) But I think I finally am getting that PICSOU sub, so I only need
those previous issues I listed. My work also appears in LE JOURNAL DE MM,
but that's a different editor and I have less contact with them or knowledge
of the contents. But I'll take any JOURNALS with my junk, too. Feel like
spending your whole trip to Paris flipping through stacks of French Disney
comics? No?!?!
By the way, by chance I JUST yesterday mailed to you something that I'd had
packed up for about a month -- my desk is an awful mess, as it always is
while I'm finishing up a story. I found my notes from Erlangen, and Herald
definitely DID tell me what I was to send you and that's what I sent. If you
decide you don't like it, I'll gladly exchange it for something else, but
first take a look.
Righto! It was Richard Hughes at ACG who first started giving full
writer/artist credits in the splash-panels of all his comics stories. But
since that wasn't Marvel or DC, everyone ignores it. He also had a regular
letters page in each issue starting much earlier... around 1955. I was
re-noticing such things while Lou Mougin was calling me to get info on many
ACGs (from my complete sets of them) for that Internet comics database. (I
s'pose at the mention of my name nowadays, most people might say "oh, the
Duck guy"... 20 years ago comic-fandom would have said "oh, the
comics-historian answer-man".) But people only recognize such achievements
if it was DC or Marvel. I mean, everyone has pointless debates about who the
first modern, silver-age mutant-radioaction-derived costumed super-hero was.
J'onn J'onzz? Supergirl? Flash? Capt. 3D? But it was lil' ol' Captain Flash
by Mike Sekowsky there in his own title over at Sterling Comics. But who
cares about him? His first issue in 19544-55 doesn't sell for
$15,000-$50,000 like a SHOWCASE #4, but only about $25. Poor Captain Flash.
So, what has this to do with Disney comics? You'll need to toss
Steve Rowe and Rich Morrissey out of this group so I won't regress with
their help into one of my former lives and multitude of other comic-book
interests!
ARTHUR:
Yes, I thought that Ulrich Schroeder was sending me the PICSOUs, and then I
thought Didier was, but they each kept getting absolute promises from the
publisher that I'd start getting a subscription... but the sub never showed
up and in the meantime, Ulrich and Didier would stop sending me copies.
(This is exactly the same trouble I'm having getting copies of ZIO
PAPERONE!) But I think I finally am getting that PICSOU sub, so I only need
those previous issues I listed. My work also appears in LE JOURNAL DE MM,
but that's a different editor and I have less contact with them or knowledge
of the contents. But I'll take any JOURNALS with my junk, too. Feel like
spending your whole trip to Paris flipping through stacks of French Disney
comics? No?!?!
By the way, by chance I JUST yesterday mailed to you something that I'd had
packed up for about a month -- my desk is an awful mess, as it always is
while I'm finishing up a story. I found my notes from Erlangen, and Herald
definitely DID tell me what I was to send you and that's what I sent. If you
decide you don't like it, I'll gladly exchange it for something else, but
first take a look.
Arthur De Wolf
Nice subject, he?
Message 260 -
1996-08-25 at 21:11:02
Hi!
DON ROSA:
Your stories also appear in LJDM and you don't have any copies
of that magazine? I'll see if I can find any comics with your junk!
You sent me the picture? That's just great! Is it the Scrooge
with the shoe-shine box? Don't tell it, though. I'll see it when
I receive it! I want to keep it a surprise! I can't wait! This is
really great! Thanks a lot!
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
"Happy birthday to me! Happy birthday to me! Happy birthday
dear Arthur! Happy birthday to me!" ;-)
DON ROSA:
Your stories also appear in LJDM and you don't have any copies
of that magazine? I'll see if I can find any comics with your junk!
You sent me the picture? That's just great! Is it the Scrooge
with the shoe-shine box? Don't tell it, though. I'll see it when
I receive it! I want to keep it a surprise! I can't wait! This is
really great! Thanks a lot!
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
"Happy birthday to me! Happy birthday to me! Happy birthday
dear Arthur! Happy birthday to me!" ;-)
Jan Lund Thomsen
Disney comics Digest V96 #179
Message 261 -
1996-08-25 at 23:36:55
DON:
Right on! Being told what people don't like can be just as rewarding. If all
one ever experiences is being praised to high heaven and being called the next
Messiah the result will not be a good one. Contrast is the spice of life.
I wasn't aware of the existence of the "$crooge McDuck Page" so I stopped by
the it the other day to read your comments on Lo$ chapter 11. The site is very
nicely done indeed.
Seems it's possible that I will get a second shot at meeting you in Denmark.
Have you considered giving Copenhagen a miss this time and coming to Aarhus
instead? There's a really nice Disney-friendly store there that would love have
you.
NILS:
The "Duckmobiles" book sounds really nice. I was wondering whether you (or
anyone else in Norway for that matter) could assist me in getting hold of a
copy? Normally, I couldn't care less about cars in general - but this book
sounds rather interesting.
On a similar note: The August 1994 issue of the Danish car-magazine "Bil
Magasinet" featured a 4-page article called "Rappe Sager", including a
full-page reproduction of Barks' "Vacation Time" oil painting. For some reason
they cropped the painting, presumably to emphasize the car rather than the rest
of the picture; as a consequence Barks' signature is missing. The article is
written by one Lars Wodschow Larsen and is described as "a celebration of the
60th birthday of Donald Duck with the story of some of the fantastic cars that
has been seen driving the streets of Duckburg". The article is illustrated with
both Barks cars and their real-life equivalents.
(Email removed)(couldn't locate your name anywhere):
Try asking your friends which is a better product: the Disney comics,
apparently aimed at little kids ... or something like the Image superhero
lineup, evidently aimed at boys aged 12-16 (showing as much flesh as possible
without removing the clothes/costumes entirely)? I am currently 26 years old
and I find that the Disney comics as well as most of the independant/small
press comics (and even some of the "big three" comics) are about entertaining
the readers by having good art and telling good stories rather than generating
sales by showing cover-enchancements and crossovers down peoples throats.
Disney comics are certainly not immature, and I don't ever plan on growing to
old for them.
CORD/ARTHUR/MIKE:
As Cord puts it, it's a matter of taste. Some of Van Horns stories are very
funny. I especially like the one where Donald has to deliver a pizza to
neighbour Jones. Can't remember the title, though.
--- Jan
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Right on! Being told what people don't like can be just as rewarding. If all
one ever experiences is being praised to high heaven and being called the next
Messiah the result will not be a good one. Contrast is the spice of life.
I wasn't aware of the existence of the "$crooge McDuck Page" so I stopped by
the it the other day to read your comments on Lo$ chapter 11. The site is very
nicely done indeed.
Seems it's possible that I will get a second shot at meeting you in Denmark.
Have you considered giving Copenhagen a miss this time and coming to Aarhus
instead? There's a really nice Disney-friendly store there that would love have
you.
NILS:
The "Duckmobiles" book sounds really nice. I was wondering whether you (or
anyone else in Norway for that matter) could assist me in getting hold of a
copy? Normally, I couldn't care less about cars in general - but this book
sounds rather interesting.
On a similar note: The August 1994 issue of the Danish car-magazine "Bil
Magasinet" featured a 4-page article called "Rappe Sager", including a
full-page reproduction of Barks' "Vacation Time" oil painting. For some reason
they cropped the painting, presumably to emphasize the car rather than the rest
of the picture; as a consequence Barks' signature is missing. The article is
written by one Lars Wodschow Larsen and is described as "a celebration of the
60th birthday of Donald Duck with the story of some of the fantastic cars that
has been seen driving the streets of Duckburg". The article is illustrated with
both Barks cars and their real-life equivalents.
(Email removed)(couldn't locate your name anywhere):
Try asking your friends which is a better product: the Disney comics,
apparently aimed at little kids ... or something like the Image superhero
lineup, evidently aimed at boys aged 12-16 (showing as much flesh as possible
without removing the clothes/costumes entirely)? I am currently 26 years old
and I find that the Disney comics as well as most of the independant/small
press comics (and even some of the "big three" comics) are about entertaining
the readers by having good art and telling good stories rather than generating
sales by showing cover-enchancements and crossovers down peoples throats.
Disney comics are certainly not immature, and I don't ever plan on growing to
old for them.
CORD/ARTHUR/MIKE:
As Cord puts it, it's a matter of taste. Some of Van Horns stories are very
funny. I especially like the one where Donald has to deliver a pizza to
neighbour Jones. Can't remember the title, though.
--- Jan
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C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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Jan Lund Thomsen
Disney comics Digest V96 #180
Message 262 -
1996-08-25 at 23:37:00
JOACHIM:
Frozen Gold is probably the scariest story I have ever read as a child. I
remember being terrified that the villains wanted to kill Donald; first with a
knife, then by abandoning him in the middle of nowhere, and finally by locking
him and the boys up in that house and setting it on fire. Also the fact that
Donald had gone blind (although it turned out to be only temporary) made a
profound impression on me. I remember rushing into the living room to ask my
parents if there was really such a thing as snow-blindness. I think I had
difficulties falling asleep that night. Back then I REALLY thought that Donald
and the boys would be killed - nowadays I know that such a thing would never
happen.
Re-reading the story as an adult I agree with you that there is quite a
difference as to the age and experience of the reader. If I had any children I
don't think I would let them read a story like that on their own - or at least
not without discussing it with them afterwards.
--- Jan
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C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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Frozen Gold is probably the scariest story I have ever read as a child. I
remember being terrified that the villains wanted to kill Donald; first with a
knife, then by abandoning him in the middle of nowhere, and finally by locking
him and the boys up in that house and setting it on fire. Also the fact that
Donald had gone blind (although it turned out to be only temporary) made a
profound impression on me. I remember rushing into the living room to ask my
parents if there was really such a thing as snow-blindness. I think I had
difficulties falling asleep that night. Back then I REALLY thought that Donald
and the boys would be killed - nowadays I know that such a thing would never
happen.
Re-reading the story as an adult I agree with you that there is quite a
difference as to the age and experience of the reader. If I had any children I
don't think I would let them read a story like that on their own - or at least
not without discussing it with them afterwards.
--- Jan
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Jan Lund Thomsen (aka Qed/Triangle 3532) Lystrup, Denmark
C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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Jan Lund Thomsen
"En daglig dosis" Karp+Taliaferro stips?
Message 263 -
1996-08-25 at 23:37:06
Back in 1990 The danish publisher Serieforlaget said that they planned to
reprint the entire 1938 to 1969 run of Bob Karp / Al Talierferro newspaper
strips. In reality, they only got round to printing four volumes, from 1938 to
1941. However, I remember seeing what might have been a fifth volume the last
time I was in Norway. My question is: are there any norwegian (or swedish, for
that matter) reprints of the strips from 1942 and onwards? And how do I get my
hands on them?
I know that Gladstone are currently reprinting about a months worth in every
issue of DD (my only reason for bying it) - but I'd rather have softbound
collections of an entire year. Are there any plans for Gladstone to do a
"library" series of the Karp/Taliaferro stips?
--- Jan
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C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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reprint the entire 1938 to 1969 run of Bob Karp / Al Talierferro newspaper
strips. In reality, they only got round to printing four volumes, from 1938 to
1941. However, I remember seeing what might have been a fifth volume the last
time I was in Norway. My question is: are there any norwegian (or swedish, for
that matter) reprints of the strips from 1942 and onwards? And how do I get my
hands on them?
I know that Gladstone are currently reprinting about a months worth in every
issue of DD (my only reason for bying it) - but I'd rather have softbound
collections of an entire year. Are there any plans for Gladstone to do a
"library" series of the Karp/Taliaferro stips?
--- Jan
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Jan Lund Thomsen (aka Qed/Triangle 3532) Lystrup, Denmark
C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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Jan Lund Thomsen
Disney comics Digest V96 #181
Message 264 -
1996-08-25 at 23:37:12
CORD:
>In Germany we have a HC reprint series of Donald stories by Al Taliaferro
>(4 vols up to now).
Would this be the strips from 07/02-38 to 31/12-41 (the first four years) ?
--- Jan
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C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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>In Germany we have a HC reprint series of Donald stories by Al Taliaferro
>(4 vols up to now).
Would this be the strips from 07/02-38 to 31/12-41 (the first four years) ?
--- Jan
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Jan Lund Thomsen (aka Qed/Triangle 3532) Lystrup, Denmark
C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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John Patrick
U$300 (mostly complaints)
Message 265 -
1996-08-26 at 02:37:25
A few of teh comments made lately dealing with US 300 have
prompted me to come out of the shadows for a brief moment to rant
and rave.
1) I'm thankful that Gladstone edited the cover drawing. The
original would not work well for a cover. However, I
can't stand the coloring and despise the cheap paper
quality.
2) I can't believe that with 48 pages Gladstone couldn't fit
in one original story!
3) The choice of "The Sunken Yacht" was poor. It seems that
I read it not that long ago in a reprint somewhere. I do
love the story though.
4) I don't know how other people feel about "Coin of the
Realm," but I don't care for it much. There are
definitely better stories out there by Van Horn.
5) To Don Rosa: I love your original cover drawing! It
needs to be poster size. There are just so many details
to fit in that it becomes distracting on the small
picture Gladstone showed of it. (Which is also why I
don't think it would have worked to well as a cover
without some editing) I'd love to be able to get a poster
size version to hang on my wall!
6) "Anything but Those" -- GREAT!!! I'm thankful Gladstone
added the clues to help find what each piece belonged to.
I couldn't quite get them all.
7) Would it have been to hard to print "Go Slowly Sand of
Time" as it appears in "Uncle Scrooge: His Life and
Times"? Although the Vicar version is good, I prefer the
other. It also would ave certainly added a special touch
to the 300th issue.
8) "Nobody's Business". Good story, but yet another reprint
and even if they had to pick a reprint, why not a better
Rosa story? (To Don Rosa: I copied the top panel of the
story and gave it to the credit manager where I work. He
got a good laugh from the book titles "Bad Debts, Good
Debts, So-So Debts", and "Debts of no Opinion")
I wasn't planning to write that much about US 300. I just got
carried away. Just to make this message even longer.... A quick
opinion of 'Barksonian' references in other comics, specifically
Don Rosa's.
These references are great. They can add an entire other
dimension to the story; but, do they have to be there all of the
time? (In my opinion it has been a long time since a fresh story
was made) I wonder if maybe too much emphasis has been put on
these reference. I've noticed that some people seem to spend all
of their time tracking down the reference and miss the story
entirely.
-- John Patrick
====================================================================
= "Remember this, foolish mortals, when ye stare headlong into the =
= mind-paralyzing void, the inky black nothingness of existence, =
= the hellish yawning maw of the abyss -- it's pretty damn dark, =
= so give it a few minutes for your eyes to adjust." -- Unknown =
====================================================================
prompted me to come out of the shadows for a brief moment to rant
and rave.
1) I'm thankful that Gladstone edited the cover drawing. The
original would not work well for a cover. However, I
can't stand the coloring and despise the cheap paper
quality.
2) I can't believe that with 48 pages Gladstone couldn't fit
in one original story!
3) The choice of "The Sunken Yacht" was poor. It seems that
I read it not that long ago in a reprint somewhere. I do
love the story though.
4) I don't know how other people feel about "Coin of the
Realm," but I don't care for it much. There are
definitely better stories out there by Van Horn.
5) To Don Rosa: I love your original cover drawing! It
needs to be poster size. There are just so many details
to fit in that it becomes distracting on the small
picture Gladstone showed of it. (Which is also why I
don't think it would have worked to well as a cover
without some editing) I'd love to be able to get a poster
size version to hang on my wall!
6) "Anything but Those" -- GREAT!!! I'm thankful Gladstone
added the clues to help find what each piece belonged to.
I couldn't quite get them all.
7) Would it have been to hard to print "Go Slowly Sand of
Time" as it appears in "Uncle Scrooge: His Life and
Times"? Although the Vicar version is good, I prefer the
other. It also would ave certainly added a special touch
to the 300th issue.
8) "Nobody's Business". Good story, but yet another reprint
and even if they had to pick a reprint, why not a better
Rosa story? (To Don Rosa: I copied the top panel of the
story and gave it to the credit manager where I work. He
got a good laugh from the book titles "Bad Debts, Good
Debts, So-So Debts", and "Debts of no Opinion")
I wasn't planning to write that much about US 300. I just got
carried away. Just to make this message even longer.... A quick
opinion of 'Barksonian' references in other comics, specifically
Don Rosa's.
These references are great. They can add an entire other
dimension to the story; but, do they have to be there all of the
time? (In my opinion it has been a long time since a fresh story
was made) I wonder if maybe too much emphasis has been put on
these reference. I've noticed that some people seem to spend all
of their time tracking down the reference and miss the story
entirely.
-- John Patrick
====================================================================
= "Remember this, foolish mortals, when ye stare headlong into the =
= mind-paralyzing void, the inky black nothingness of existence, =
= the hellish yawning maw of the abyss -- it's pretty damn dark, =
= so give it a few minutes for your eyes to adjust." -- Unknown =
====================================================================
Markoff
Dutch DD Weekly
Message 266 -
1996-08-26 at 02:38:07
PIETER:
>I don't know the price of a foreign subscription to the Donald Duck Weekly.
>Please call 023-5173526 (I don't know what international acces code you have
>to call) and I'm sure there will be somebody who can tell you everything
>about it (in English). Or just write to
>
>MediaNet
>Stationsplein 112-118
>2011 LN Haarlem
>The Netherlands
Can whoever is there also read English?
--Jonathan Markoff
>I don't know the price of a foreign subscription to the Donald Duck Weekly.
>Please call 023-5173526 (I don't know what international acces code you have
>to call) and I'm sure there will be somebody who can tell you everything
>about it (in English). Or just write to
>
>MediaNet
>Stationsplein 112-118
>2011 LN Haarlem
>The Netherlands
Can whoever is there also read English?
--Jonathan Markoff
Markoff
Micro-Ducks, Horsing
Message 267 -
1996-08-26 at 03:40:38
Back to the "don't like" department: One of Barks' weaker stories, IMHO
(see, I've learned it!) is "Micro-Ducks From Outer Space." (BTW, has anyone
thought of the coincidence of the intriguingly short time between WDG 7 and
"Independence Day"?)
As for that "Horsing Around With History" story which has been so
controversial, I simply place that in the "average" Barks department.
(see, I've learned it!) is "Micro-Ducks From Outer Space." (BTW, has anyone
thought of the coincidence of the intriguingly short time between WDG 7 and
"Independence Day"?)
As for that "Horsing Around With History" story which has been so
controversial, I simply place that in the "average" Barks department.
Ole R. Nielsen
Me lucky Dane
Message 268 -
1996-08-26 at 09:59:13
Hi again,
it's been a long summer for me, but I'm ready to join in the discussion
again. You'll have to wait for me to read the recent digests if someone
asked anything specific, that's Joachim and Michael according to a fast scan.
I just got a lot of fine publications from Johnny Grote and the DONALDists.
Especially Sonderheft 27 "Hommage an Floyd Gottfredson" is a goldmine of
information and illustrations.
In an interview Gottfredson mentions that Walt Disney's only critical point
with the MM strip was that he filled the panels with too much detail: "Why are
you stuffing all that junk in there? Draw simpler, draw simpler!"
Sounds familiar, eh? Barks' comments about Don's style are almost word-by-word
quotes, and my theory is that it's an attitude that comes from the difference
in approach between someone who learned his craft as an animator, which Gott-
fredson never did (either), and the comic book artist. The animator eliminates
everything superfluous, and the cartoonist includes anything useful.
Someone mentioned Big Bad Pete's pegleg; it was actually changed because the
animators couldn't make him walk right with it, and the comic strip just had
to adapt to it. When they stopped using Pete in the cartoons, Gottfredson
changed it back with some excuse about a prosthetic that didn't fit.
- Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen <(Email removed)> -
- War is Hell - Business is War - Here it's Business as usual. -
it's been a long summer for me, but I'm ready to join in the discussion
again. You'll have to wait for me to read the recent digests if someone
asked anything specific, that's Joachim and Michael according to a fast scan.
I just got a lot of fine publications from Johnny Grote and the DONALDists.
Especially Sonderheft 27 "Hommage an Floyd Gottfredson" is a goldmine of
information and illustrations.
In an interview Gottfredson mentions that Walt Disney's only critical point
with the MM strip was that he filled the panels with too much detail: "Why are
you stuffing all that junk in there? Draw simpler, draw simpler!"
Sounds familiar, eh? Barks' comments about Don's style are almost word-by-word
quotes, and my theory is that it's an attitude that comes from the difference
in approach between someone who learned his craft as an animator, which Gott-
fredson never did (either), and the comic book artist. The animator eliminates
everything superfluous, and the cartoonist includes anything useful.
Someone mentioned Big Bad Pete's pegleg; it was actually changed because the
animators couldn't make him walk right with it, and the comic strip just had
to adapt to it. When they stopped using Pete in the cartoons, Gottfredson
changed it back with some excuse about a prosthetic that didn't fit.
- Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen <(Email removed)> -
- War is Hell - Business is War - Here it's Business as usual. -
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Another Dutch one speaking
Message 269 -
1996-08-26 at 12:01:29
PIETER:
> Thanks for your words of welcome!
And you haven't even read this one: Welcome!! ;-)
> There has been some commotion about the Mickey Mouse-comic RUNAWAY
> BRAIN, and that was very exciting to read. Personally I think it's one
> of the best new Mickey-comics from te past years (actually, I don't
> like Mickey that much!).
I really like that new look of "Mickey" in Runaway Brain, can't he stay
this way forever? Please? ;-)
> Donald Duck Extra, a monthly magazine in which we publish most of the
> Rosa-stories.
There are still a lot of stories which I would like to see in Donald Duck
Extra, for example: "Lost Charts of Columbus", the story with the Avatars,
the story in which the Ducks meet King Arthur and "A Matter of Gravity".
Will they be published in Holland?
USERPRO:
> I was wondering last night while I was reading the latest Disney comic
> Digest if I was geting too old for disney comics....
As long as your eyes are able to read the balloons and see the drawings,
I don't think you should worry about that. ;-)
> Most of My freinds think that disney comics are just for little kids.
> I disagree!!
Have they ever read Disney/non-Disney comics? I think that reading Duck-
stories in Holland is not a big problem, because almost everyone has read
at least a few of them (and being older, a lot of people still admit that
they "don't dislike" to read a Duck-story).
The problem here starts when you tell people to be very careful with
your Disney-comics because you're collecting them and that you want to
keep them as neatly as possible. ;-)
> Most of my freinds don't even Have any idea who Carl Barks is....
I think that Barks' stories are well-known here in Holland. People only
don't know his name. Like I said, most people here in Holland have read
at least a few Duck-stories in their life and because of the quality of
Barks' work, they often remember at least some of his stories.
> How old are you guys?
As far as I know, the age here varies from about 16 to about 55.
> Any duck fans around 20?
Yes. Being 23, I'm one of them.
PIETER & HARRY:
P> RUNAWAY BRAIN [in the Dutch weekly]
P> Thanks for your compliments about our great cover. Our editor in chief
P> hated it
H> The cover reminded me of some of the great covers from 1974/1975.
H> (Really inviting you to read the inside.) And your editor in chief
H> started his carreer in about 1974...
This is also what I thought. No offence meant, but what I'm missing in the
recent Dutch weeklies is the 'power' they had in the seventies. For this
reason, it was really a surprise to see the Runaway Brain-cover.
I like the work by Sander Gulien. You told us in which issues there will
be more work of him, can you also tell this concerning Mau Heymans?
Maybe the the following is a question you've heard already thousands of
times. ;-) Is Jippes still working on Junior Woodchuck-stories?
ERIC:
> If anyone is interested, I have a list of email abbreviations that
> I can send to you. It's about 120 lines long.
Can you send this list to me?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"
The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks
> Thanks for your words of welcome!
And you haven't even read this one: Welcome!! ;-)
> There has been some commotion about the Mickey Mouse-comic RUNAWAY
> BRAIN, and that was very exciting to read. Personally I think it's one
> of the best new Mickey-comics from te past years (actually, I don't
> like Mickey that much!).
I really like that new look of "Mickey" in Runaway Brain, can't he stay
this way forever? Please? ;-)
> Donald Duck Extra, a monthly magazine in which we publish most of the
> Rosa-stories.
There are still a lot of stories which I would like to see in Donald Duck
Extra, for example: "Lost Charts of Columbus", the story with the Avatars,
the story in which the Ducks meet King Arthur and "A Matter of Gravity".
Will they be published in Holland?
USERPRO:
> I was wondering last night while I was reading the latest Disney comic
> Digest if I was geting too old for disney comics....
As long as your eyes are able to read the balloons and see the drawings,
I don't think you should worry about that. ;-)
> Most of My freinds think that disney comics are just for little kids.
> I disagree!!
Have they ever read Disney/non-Disney comics? I think that reading Duck-
stories in Holland is not a big problem, because almost everyone has read
at least a few of them (and being older, a lot of people still admit that
they "don't dislike" to read a Duck-story).
The problem here starts when you tell people to be very careful with
your Disney-comics because you're collecting them and that you want to
keep them as neatly as possible. ;-)
> Most of my freinds don't even Have any idea who Carl Barks is....
I think that Barks' stories are well-known here in Holland. People only
don't know his name. Like I said, most people here in Holland have read
at least a few Duck-stories in their life and because of the quality of
Barks' work, they often remember at least some of his stories.
> How old are you guys?
As far as I know, the age here varies from about 16 to about 55.
> Any duck fans around 20?
Yes. Being 23, I'm one of them.
PIETER & HARRY:
P> RUNAWAY BRAIN [in the Dutch weekly]
P> Thanks for your compliments about our great cover. Our editor in chief
P> hated it
H> The cover reminded me of some of the great covers from 1974/1975.
H> (Really inviting you to read the inside.) And your editor in chief
H> started his carreer in about 1974...
This is also what I thought. No offence meant, but what I'm missing in the
recent Dutch weeklies is the 'power' they had in the seventies. For this
reason, it was really a surprise to see the Runaway Brain-cover.
I like the work by Sander Gulien. You told us in which issues there will
be more work of him, can you also tell this concerning Mau Heymans?
Maybe the the following is a question you've heard already thousands of
times. ;-) Is Jippes still working on Junior Woodchuck-stories?
ERIC:
> If anyone is interested, I have a list of email abbreviations that
> I can send to you. It's about 120 lines long.
Can you send this list to me?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"
The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks
Arthur De Wolf
Some comments
Message 270 -
1996-08-26 at 12:41:14
Hi!
PIETER VAN CLEEF:
> Why is the Donald Duck Weekly "off limits" to you? Please explain
I think Don means to ask, why you don't print his stories in the weekly.
That's what I asked some time ago also and you didn't answer it. I asked
that with some other questions. Some of those were already answered, but
four of them aren't: 1. Why are Don Rosa's stories not printed in the
weekly; 2. What will happen with the "Oom Dagobert"-series after the 12
chapters of the "Life of Scrooge" are all printed?; 3. I've heard that
Daan Jippes is still working on Barks' JW-scripts. What's the status? And
will Mau Heymans make more? and 4. Why haven't you ever used one of Don's
beautifull covers on a Dutch Disney comic? Except for the ones on the
albums, ofcourse! Changing those backgrounds with maps of Scotland and
the States was just a brilliant idea. I like that very much. I couldn't
help noticing, though, that you changed some little details in the cover,
like lines on Scrooge's coat, that Don interrupted and you made smooth
lines of it! Why do you go through all these troubles, when Don's covers
are already perfect on itself?
JOS BEEKMAN:
Don's stories are always printed in the monthly Extra (while I think
they belong in the weekly. Maybe as three-parters, like it's done in
Norwegian Donald Duck & Co!), but you've never used one of Don's covers on
that comic! Why not? I think you should change the entire layout of the cover
of the Extra and remove the annoying blue/white border around the picture and
make the picture over the full size of the cover (like the weekly). Then you
could use Rosa's covers perfectly, so that they are shown over the full size
of the cover. Why do you always go through all the trouble of drawing covers
for the Extra (which are mostly of VERY poor quality), when Rosa's ones are
already perfect? I think you should also change the paper on which the Extra
is printed to the same paper the weekly is printed on. And I also think you
should print the credits of the stories printed in the weekly and the Extra
somewhere. Is it so hard printing a little line on the last page of the comic
saying: "Inked by ..., pencilled by ..., written by ... and colored by ..."?
And it would be great when you mention artist's names in the "Next month"-box
on the last page of the Extra once in a while, like this: "Next month, we'll
be featuring a great new story by Don Rosa, in which Magica reverses gravity
for Donald and Scrooge, which brings them in the most akward positions. Don't
miss it!"
PIETER VAN CLEEF again:
One last point about those credits: What do the people that work for
you think about this? Wouldn't Mau and Bas Heymans or Sander Gulien and
Frank Jonker like it, when you mention their names with the stories they
made?
JONATHAN MARKOFF:
> Can whoever is there also read English?
Err .. (almost) EVERYONE in Holland learns English at school. And most of
the Dutch people also speaks German and a little French.
Eye myselve speek Englis ant right englisch verrie fluentlie! Do U
nodt thinck thet to?
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
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PIETER VAN CLEEF:
> Why is the Donald Duck Weekly "off limits" to you? Please explain
I think Don means to ask, why you don't print his stories in the weekly.
That's what I asked some time ago also and you didn't answer it. I asked
that with some other questions. Some of those were already answered, but
four of them aren't: 1. Why are Don Rosa's stories not printed in the
weekly; 2. What will happen with the "Oom Dagobert"-series after the 12
chapters of the "Life of Scrooge" are all printed?; 3. I've heard that
Daan Jippes is still working on Barks' JW-scripts. What's the status? And
will Mau Heymans make more? and 4. Why haven't you ever used one of Don's
beautifull covers on a Dutch Disney comic? Except for the ones on the
albums, ofcourse! Changing those backgrounds with maps of Scotland and
the States was just a brilliant idea. I like that very much. I couldn't
help noticing, though, that you changed some little details in the cover,
like lines on Scrooge's coat, that Don interrupted and you made smooth
lines of it! Why do you go through all these troubles, when Don's covers
are already perfect on itself?
JOS BEEKMAN:
Don's stories are always printed in the monthly Extra (while I think
they belong in the weekly. Maybe as three-parters, like it's done in
Norwegian Donald Duck & Co!), but you've never used one of Don's covers on
that comic! Why not? I think you should change the entire layout of the cover
of the Extra and remove the annoying blue/white border around the picture and
make the picture over the full size of the cover (like the weekly). Then you
could use Rosa's covers perfectly, so that they are shown over the full size
of the cover. Why do you always go through all the trouble of drawing covers
for the Extra (which are mostly of VERY poor quality), when Rosa's ones are
already perfect? I think you should also change the paper on which the Extra
is printed to the same paper the weekly is printed on. And I also think you
should print the credits of the stories printed in the weekly and the Extra
somewhere. Is it so hard printing a little line on the last page of the comic
saying: "Inked by ..., pencilled by ..., written by ... and colored by ..."?
And it would be great when you mention artist's names in the "Next month"-box
on the last page of the Extra once in a while, like this: "Next month, we'll
be featuring a great new story by Don Rosa, in which Magica reverses gravity
for Donald and Scrooge, which brings them in the most akward positions. Don't
miss it!"
PIETER VAN CLEEF again:
One last point about those credits: What do the people that work for
you think about this? Wouldn't Mau and Bas Heymans or Sander Gulien and
Frank Jonker like it, when you mention their names with the stories they
made?
JONATHAN MARKOFF:
> Can whoever is there also read English?
Err .. (almost) EVERYONE in Holland learns English at school. And most of
the Dutch people also speaks German and a little French.
Eye myselve speek Englis ant right englisch verrie fluentlie! Do U
nodt thinck thet to?
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
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