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Arthur De Wolf
Hi!

MIKE SCHNEIDERATH:
What about Don's "Life of Scrooge" as being one of the largest
Disney comic stories ever! That one is over 200 pages long!

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
Arthur De Wolf
Hi!

PIETER and JOS:
I had a question for you both. I noticed that you haven't written
anything to the list yet, but I'd really like an answer to this question,
so please write me in private email, then!
I've been working on my own Duck-story for a while. I've come past
the point that my script is finished, and that I started drawing everything.
I think it's a very funny story. Lots of gags and I also have a leading
gag, that goes on and on. It's a tenpager, by the way. Anyway, I've been
trying to pencil and INK the story on my own, and I've tried some on the
first page. It all went very well. The first page is finished now, but I
don't know if I did it the right size. This all is experimental, to just
see if I was capable in inking a story.
I've always been pretty good in drawing. When I was young, I always
drew Disney characters, which I was very good in. I hadn't done it in
years, but it seems that I still got it. I've now finished the first page (it
took me two weeks!) and in my opinion, it looks very well. Some characters,
I've redrawn a dozen times, and I changed the beaks ans eyes a million times,
it seems, but the first page is now satisfying. I don't want to brag or
anything, but I think this page could easily be printed in a comic!
I'd like to go on with the rest of the story, but I don't know if
I'm drawing on the right size of paper. I've read a text Don Rosa once
wrote, about the material he uses, and when I recalculate that from inches
to centimeters, I think I'm using his size of paper now. I still think
it's rather small. It's approximately an A4-sheet of paper for a half-page!
So that comes together to one A3-sheet op paper for a full page! Is that
okay? I still think it's small, compared to the original page I saw Mau
Heymans giving Harry once.
So, question numero uno: could you tell me what size I should draw
on. And question two: do you think it's possible that you guys, at the
Dutch Donald Duck Weekly, could ever use a story of mine, if the artwork is
alright? Or will you only accept scripts from other people and only use
stories inked by your own artists, like Sander, Mau or Bas?

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney
Harry Fluks
BYRON:
> As far as "Runaway Brain" goes -- I don't think it's a horror story in
> _any_ sense of the word, not even in the wimpy definitions used by ACG
> or Charlton in the '60s. This is FUNNY stuff, folks.

Well, the first 4 pages (all I've read so far) are not funny at all. They are
quite scary, actually.

> [Ulrich Schroeder] got a big laugh out of being confused
> for Jippes

I hope he took that as a compliment.. 8-)

> Assuming any Egmont
> freelancers want to add to/correct any of the entries found in the
> Disney Creator's Indexes, should they just send the information to you?

Yes, please! I collect ALL Disney comic stories and their publications, and
credits are of special interest!

I got a file from the Dutch editor listing all H-coded stories since 1980.
Is it possible that Egmont has something similar? (Maybe Stefan
Printz-Paahlson knows?) I'd love to have such a file as a source for
the database!

> how would you like to have it?

In private e-mail, with story codes (D something), and, if possible, with
page count, title hero and original title.

> Art by Tino Santanach

This is the first occasion I ever heard of the first name of Santanach.
We actually have quite a few (southern European or -American) artists
of whom we do not know the first name. Any help on that would
also be appreciated!

--Harry.
Wilmer Rivers
Soeren Schridde quotes Dr. Fuchs as having the Beagle Boys saying:
Heut gehoert uns die Kohldampfinsel **und morgen die ganze welt!**

Kind of sends chills up your spine, doesn't it?
(Remember, the Beagles do wear brown shirts...)

Wilmer Rivers
Sschridde
Today I received a book of the "dreidreizehn"-Company mentioned in a recent
comiclist-issue...
It is titled "Das Erika Fuchs-Buch" ( The E. F.-book)
It contains her biography (of course), and amongst other things a "treasury of
quotes" (right word?) - mottos, words may be synonymous...
Else there is an interview and a bibliographie with Disney-related literature
cost is 29,80 DM (around 22$),
ISBN 3-929746-10-7
Once again the adress:
dreidreizehn,
Moorweg 49
21337 Lueneburg
Germany
Fax (049) 4131 82251 Fon (049) 4131 52305
They also sell lithos of Barks-paintings... handsigned in 500 pieces for 500 to
850 DM (size varies) no comment on the pricing here...

And finally some German Fuchs-quotes... hope I'm not the 23rd to post them here
;)

engl. german story
karash klickeradoms naechtlche Ruhestoerung
sob schluchz
clonk bautz
aechz! stoehn! when working hard

We Beagle Boys will be emperors of the world! We'll have kings and presidents
groveling at our feet!
Wir sind die Panzerknacker und tun, was uns gefaellt!
Heut gehoert uns die Kohldampfinsel und morgen die ganze welt!

You're letting your imagination run wild
Deine Phantasie schlaegt Blasen (origin is the theatre: Schiller, Don Carlos,
(II,8))

Es hallt, schallt und knallt mit Urgewalt!

Such clangor would drive bats out of belfries - or people out of their minds
So was toetet Trichinen hinter Tresortueren und treibt noch Taubstumme ins
Irrenhaus (alliteration!)

Blubberlutsch Gurgleurp

Wuppdizitaet (description for things bouncing like crazy, mixture of
german "wuppen" -sound of jumping things and Elastizitaet (flexibility)

And finally the one most Germans use and don't know the origin is a "simple"
comic

Dem Ingenioer ist nichts zu schwoer

Please don't mind mistakes in the translation- my dictionary still is piled up
beneath some other boxes with books due to house repairs, and I know it's hard
to explain puns to "foreigners", hope I succeeded from time to time... otherwise
simply enjoy the sound of the words, and the rhymes...
Bye, Soeren Schridde <(Email removed)>
Jan Lund Thomsen
DWIGHT:
I now realize that the burning-village thing was part of "Voodoo Hoodoo".
The other day I dug out that reprint issue of Anders And & Co and read the
story - for the first time. Imagine that, I've been reading Duck comics since
.. well before I could even read, actually, and I never ever came across the
story before. I suppose that's one of the reasons I love Barks' stories that
much: not only did he create the best stories, but he also created a *lot* of
them. As a result to this date I'm still discovering 'new' old stories that I
have never seen before. I really must get around to reading the rest of my "in
colour" albums. But I digress.
For me, the stealing-from-innocent bit worked better in "Voodoo Hoodoo" than
in the Lo$ episode. The main reason being that it wasn't visually depicted
anywhere. In the Lo$ episode we see the angry mob and the look on Scrooge's
face as the village is destroyed and the natives driven away. I think one of
the reasons it made such a profound impression on me has to do with the quality
of the artwork. I could really feel Scrooges anger in those pages. Even if I,
story-wise, didn't like what I saw my hat is off to Don for accomplishing it.
As for resenting the story/Barks because for violating the "fair and square"
statement I agree with you rather than the fan in question. Storytelling may be
an art, but it is also a craft. As in any other craft you need the right tools
for the job. Scrooge was just that back then - a tool, nothing more. I agree
with you that Don should just have left the Voodoo Hoodoo incident untouched.
The original Barks story is reprinted from time to time, but in my view that
doesn't make it canon. However, it is still an interesting read as it is a good
example of character-developement.

--- Jan

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Jan Lund Thomsen (aka Qed/Triangle 3532) Lystrup, Denmark
C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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Jan Lund Thomsen
DAVE:

> I agree with you about how hysterically funny is Don's ON A
>SILVER PLATTER and I've only seen the Danish version which I can't read!

I can easily get my hands on the U$Adv issue in which it is printed(#20 if
memory doesn't deceive me), as my local store still has a few of them in stock.
I'll gladly swap you an issue for something else. And that goes for others as
well.

>Dave Sim, the creater of CEREBUS, has a saying that every creator has
>1000 bad pages in them they must get out before they can begin to create
>good pages. I hope to reach that mark before too long...

The legendary Chuck Jones once attended a drawing/animation class. When the
instructor told people that everyone had 10.000 bad drawings that they needed
to get out of their system, Chuck grinned to himself as he was already well
beyond that mark.

DON:

I wasn't aware of the fact that the burning-village incident is not your
invention until a few days after I submitted the mail in question. As I
mentioned in my original post I also use a lot of time, effort and money on
other comics. My disney collection makes up for about a quarter of all my
comics (as an aside: anyone who likes the ducks should give Jeff Smith's "Bone"
a try) so I'm not always up to date on the ducks and their doings. Yes, I do
like your art quite a bit. It has a certain "something" about it that appeals a
lot to me. Can't quite put my finger on it, though. Reminds of that saying "I
may not know about art, but I know what I like."

As for your Barks references being done for the sheer fanboy fun of it, I
feel that they, whether interpreted or not, tend to spoil my reading pleasure.
I feel that the stories need to read as stories, not as a game of "spot the
Barks reference". I can easily understand that you're exited about working with
the Disney ducks. Heck, if I had a job like that I would more than terribly
exited myself. Back when I first discovered your work I thought the references
were a lot of fun. But now that the novelty value has worn off they mostly
annoy me. Which is a pity as I think you are a great storyteller/artist.
As for the Terry/Firmy incident in "The Universal Solvent" I honest to
<insert favourite deity> wasn't expecting to see the Terries and the Firmies -
which may be one of the reasons I was surprised/annoyed when they did show up.
No, I didn't considder the vast proportions of Terry Firmy - guess I should
have stopped to think about that, huh? <grin>

I do realize that I am reading your stories on another level than the
intended one. And believe me, I sincerely wish I could stop doing that.

ALL:
I spoke to Ole on the phone yesterday and he mentioned that he found my
initial postings in Digest #160 a bit "daring" compared to the stuff normally
found here. They were in no way intended to be that, and I am sorry if I have
conveyed a wrong impression of myself.

--- Jan

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Jan Lund Thomsen (aka Qed/Triangle 3532) Lystrup, Denmark
C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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Jan Lund Thomsen
JOACHIM:
I spoke to Ole on the phone a few hours ago. He told me that he will be back
online on the 26th of August.

--- Jan

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Jan Lund Thomsen (aka Qed/Triangle 3532) Lystrup, Denmark
C64/RPG/INWO/Warner Bros/Disney/Anthro/Comics-addict and all-around nice guy.
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Shouse, Richard
I would be interested in purchasing CDROM versions
and collections of Comics on CDROM. The CDROM versions
could even be multimedia with characters speaking and
some visual moment.

Would others fans be interested ?

Would publishers and authors be interested ?
Don Rosa
MARCO:
I don't think "The Guardians of the Lost Library" is the best example of the
"feeling" of one of my typical adventure stories, but I'm sure glad you
liked it just the same. When I sent it in, I was very afraid I had a funny
surprise ending (which was only used in America since it involved the Junior
Woodchuck emblem), and a very historically accurate plot that would have
delighted a history buff... but I suspected the story itself was boring and
repetitive, just hopping from one locale to the next, finding the same basic
thing each time. But I have people either tell me that it's "boring" or it's
"the best Duck adventure they've ever read", and never anything in between,
so I don't know what to think. I treated Donald in an unusual way in that
story, also, and the whole thing was unusual in that it was done on request
for Norway's "Year of the Book". Anyway, I really don't think it's my
typical Duck story, good or bad. But I sure wish *I* could get ahold of
copies of ZIO PAPERONE! The last one I have is around #77!

JONATHAN:
My Duck Family Tree was based partly on Barks' old notes, partly on my own
research into his stories, partly on my own creating characters to link his
characters together, partly on adding a few characters at editors' requests
(Fethry), and partly on a letter from Barks where he recreated his old Tree
apparently from memory. In his new version he had eliminated the death of
Gladstone's parents, and I was glad to see that since I thought it was a
needless and morbid feature of the old version.
Were you the one asking about the Van Horn Duck Family Tree? Disney Disney
Comics (as we call 'em) had been calling me for advice on how to construct
such a tree (I'd refused to work for Disney, but I was still helpful towards
nice folks like Bob Foster), so I was sending them my ongoing notes on my
version of the Barks Universe Tree. We exchanged numerous charts and so
forth, all involving all those obscure Barks characters that you see in my
Tree. But then they stopped asking me about that stuff and I later saw the
Van Horn illustration which wasn't really a "family tree" but simply a tree
with the various most common characters seen in Donald Duck comics sitting
in the branches, whether they were relatives or not (like Gyro, etc.). I
took it that my version was too esoteric for their needs, and I imagine it was.

HARRY:
I keep NO records of any of my work, certainly unlike Barks and his
exhaustive record-keeping of dates and invoices and payments, so it's
virtually impossible to answer questions about when I did what or why from
5-6 years ago. But "Treasure Under Glass" was one of the stories I wrote
while waiting for Disney to approve the script for "His Majesty McDuck" in
1989 (under the suddenly altered and tight policy on Gladstone), and it was
a script I realized I was stuck with when Disney told Gladstone to stop
returning my art (effectively forcing me to quit since the pay would then
have been poverty-level for me). In the following year of wandering, I may
have submitted the script to Oberon/Holland, but if so, they never accepted
it. It was Egmont (Gutenberghus) who accepted (paid) for it in early 1990,
and that's who I drew it for. If Oberon prints that story with a different
code number, I don't know why.

JOACHIM:
The idea that, as you say, the cliffhanger in "The Once and Future Duck"
where DD is about to be beheaded would give a child a nightmare sort of
rattles me. I must depend on my editors to tell me when I do something in my
stories that someone deems unsuitable for children, since I never consider
the age of my readers. I just aim at writing a Duck adventure that *I* might
enjoy reading, and since I'm not a nightmare-prone child, that possibility
never even enters my head. I should think any child that would get a
nightmare from one of my stories should certainly stay away from modern
Disney animated features which are far more horrific than anything I would
consider putting in a Duck story. But I don't argue the point -- perhaps
potential decapitation was out of line. I need Byron to warn me of such things.

MIKE SCHNIDERATH:
There is no reason that I can think of as to why anyone should buy any
copies of UNCLE $CROOGE VS. THE BEAGLE BOYS. Pick up an issue and see for
yourself. That was the lowest ebb in the deaththroes of Gold Key / Whitman
Disney.
Someone else here will give you the exact issue numbers where Paul Murry and
Dan Speigel drew those "Mickey Mouse - Secret Agent" stories back in the
60s. As usual, I don't have such info sources at my computer station.
The store owner who told you anything whatsoever about some future hardcover
collection of the "Lo$" from Gladstone was making up anything he said.
Gladstone has made no definite plans for that book yet, much less anything
about price or whether or not I'll sign any of them, much less all of them.
Or if Gladstone is sending out such info, I'd think they might have
mentioned something about it to me. But I can't give you better info since,
as I said, plans are currently nonexistant. They simply plan to do it in
about a year; that's all as of now.

HARRY:
Surely EGMONT is the world's biggest publisher! No matter how many (tiny)
French-speaking countries that French publisher distributes to, it can't
begin to compare with the hundreds (thousands) of different comics,
magazines, books, paperbacks, etc., etc., that Egmont publishes in all
languages from England to Japan, including virtually everywhere in between.
Who could match that?
Byron Erickson
JOACHIM BUTZ:

> Do you know if the story was really printed in the weekly? Or was it
> only planned to print in the weekly and later redirected to another
> publication?

It ran in Le Journal de Mickey # 2296, 19 Juin 1996. Cover illustrates
the story.

> It *IS* great. But horrible too. The former president of the German
> Duck fanclub DONALDISTEN had been more shocked as I. She had been a
> little bit furious because she' s afraid to give stories like this to
> her children. She said the cliffhanger in 'The Once and Future Duck'
> (Donald should be cut off head) was tough stuff causing her daughter a
> nightmare. She didn't really slept the night after reading the story
> (true!).

Furious? I once knew a kid who was scared to death of Santa Claus, but I
don't recall being furious whenever I saw a Santa Claus. The fact that
some kids are scared of Santa means only that some kids are scared of
Santa--nothing more. I'll leave it up to the rest of you to extend that
parallel further.
Trygve Vatle
Harry

>Jippes has often been the master style-copier. But he always exaggerated
>someone else's style. His Mickey was more Gottfredson than Gottfredson's.
>His Gaston more Franquin, his Asterix more Uderzo, and his Duck more
>Barks. And that's probably how you can recognise Jippes' "style".

Has Jippes drawn Gaston and Asterix? These are two of my favourites.
Where can I get a copy of these comics?

Trygve
Mike Pohjola
DON:
I believe I asked you something about A Matter of some Gravity, but
can't recall what the questions might've been. However, a new question just
aroused in my brain while re-reading the story searching for details. Magica's
eyes. I think this is the first time I've seen them drawn like that. Very
evil - almost demonic - but I like them. Is that just an experiment of your
own or a new Egmont way for drawing her eyes?

Oh, as the 1997 is getting closer and closer every minute of every
hour of every day, I must ask is it still true that you'll be coming to
Finland that year for a convention? Have any details of that trip yet been
discussed? And, btw, are you going to make some special story for Scrooge's
50th birthday as a comic character, 130th in Disney world, 100th anniversary
of him finding gold and 10th of your Disney comics career?

GEIR:
>I guess making the drawers famous is a part of the "new" attitude from

Carl Barks and Don Rosa I can understand rather well, but why
Van Horn? Nothing great about him! True, he's got one of the few truly
distinct styles, but in this case I don't see that as a positive side.
Daan Jippes, yes! Daniel Branca, why not? Van Horn, hell no!

I find it hard to believe anyone knowing who Van Horn is would use
money on a comic book just because his stories are in it. In fact, if somebody
didn't know who he was and saw a big add about HIS comics being in the book
and thinking he was the absolute prime of Disney comics, that might be the
last Disney comic he ever bought.

>go up again. I really think that making the writers/drawers known is a
>smart move, because more people would then be "addicted".

But Van Horn?! <sigh>

HARRY:
>Jippes has often been the master style-copier. But he always exaggerated
>someone else's style. His Mickey was more Gottfredson than Gottfredson's.
>His Gaston more Franquin, his Asterix more Uderzo, and his Duck more
>Barks. And that's probably how you can recognise Jippes' "style".

What? Jippes has drawn those comics, too?-o You mean as in being a
member of Uderzo Studios or something like that while doing Asterix or
did he do some particular parts of some stories or some unauthorized/parody
stories of his own? If the middle, in which stories of Asterix and Gaston
can I find his art?

BYRON:
This has been discussed here often, but I don't think anyone has
been able to give a good answer to the question. I hope you can: Whe
doesn't Egmont print credits of the stories?

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Don Rosa
MARCO:
Me, again -- I realized I skipped your two queries concerning "The Guardians
of the Lost Library".
It never occured to me to hide Mickey in one of the panels of rats. I was
definitely thinking of those critters as rats who would do the most damage
to the most books, and I would never have suggested that MM is a rat by
hiding him in there. (By contrast, in the story I'm inking now, my hidden MM
image is actually a major gag in the story, and not "hidden" at all.)
And I take it you think the monk in the Abbey of San Slanti looks like me?
Hm. If so, it's purely coincidental or subconcious... not intended. (Another
reader once thought the library curator in TGotLL was me, despite he was
thin as spaghetti and had a goatee, so I'm puzzled at what people are
thinking.) And that Abbey was based on no particular actual place -- in
fact, I often point out that it was the ONLY aspect of that entire story
that I made up; all the other places and historical facts are 100% authentic.

NILS:
Is there a ROCKETEER film? Of course -- from Disney, of course. And it was
absolutely superb! One of the best done films of its genre ever... and the
best role Timothy Dalton ever had -- he makes a much better villain than a 007.
Harry Fluks
Arthur:
> So that comes together to one A3-sheet op paper for a full page! Is that
> okay? I still think it's small, compared to the original page I saw Mau
> Heymans giving Harry once.

The page Mau gave me was exactly that: A3. So your sources are correct.

And now for some off-topic geographical items (geography is one
of my other hobbies):

> In NORTH AMERICA: Parts of Canada, St. Pierre and Mignelon(?)

St. Pierre et Miguelon is a French "oversees department", consisting
of two tiny islands near the Canadian coast.

> In AUSTRALASIA: New Caledonia, Wallis and Fununa Islands

That's Futuna (in case you're putting this on your web page).

> Cote d'Ivoire

English name: Ivory Coast.

> Phew! No wonder Hachette is the biggest publisher in the world!!!

The number of _countries_ is not a measure here, it's the number of
_readers_ that count. All the African countries you mention are very
small (in population).
Is it possible that Hachette is a part of Egmont?

--Harry.

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