In article <(Email removed)> Kristian Thougaard Pedersen <(Email removed)> writes:
> To the point: I recently reread Barks' Tralla La-story and noticed
> that the ducks of Tralla La have FIVE fingers on each hand.
I checked Don Rosa's "Return to Xanadu" to se if he has noticed the
fact and yes, he has!
--
Ville Saari EMail: (Email removed)
Tallbergin puistotie 7 B 21 Phone: +358 9 682 2226
00200 Helsinki
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Vsaari
Tralla La question
Message 121 -
1997-01-14 at 06:03:57
Harry Fluks
Markoff
Message 122 -
1997-01-14 at 11:00:43
Jonathan wrote:
> Harry and Per wondered if many list members frequently check out the
> website. I'm constantly doing that, often for hours at a time! (Actually,
> most of that is surfing the ftp database.)
Per replied:
> Yes, I know you do, as you contribute so much! Jonathan sends me lots
> of tidbits for the Disney comics pages, especially the character
> pages. He is always quick to note when I've misspelt something or
> something is malfunctioning.
And that's exactly what Jonathan is doing to me concerning the Database!
It's nice to have a "reviewer" like that!
--Harry.
> Harry and Per wondered if many list members frequently check out the
> website. I'm constantly doing that, often for hours at a time! (Actually,
> most of that is surfing the ftp database.)
Per replied:
> Yes, I know you do, as you contribute so much! Jonathan sends me lots
> of tidbits for the Disney comics pages, especially the character
> pages. He is always quick to note when I've misspelt something or
> something is malfunctioning.
And that's exactly what Jonathan is doing to me concerning the Database!
It's nice to have a "reviewer" like that!
--Harry.
TKlein28
Pizen Bluff
Message 123 -
1997-01-14 at 14:19:54
ALL:
Can't recall who asked this, but I can confirm that the story will almost
certainly be run as one part by Gladstone, as that's the way it's being
lettered -- with the extra story panels replacing the chapter breaks. By the
way, Gary, if you're wondering, it's two-thirds lettered, and I hope to
finish it this week.
Todd
Can't recall who asked this, but I can confirm that the story will almost
certainly be run as one part by Gladstone, as that's the way it's being
lettered -- with the extra story panels replacing the chapter breaks. By the
way, Gary, if you're wondering, it's two-thirds lettered, and I hope to
finish it this week.
Todd
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #10
Message 124 -
1997-01-14 at 15:40:52
JAMES SMITH:
Oh, yeah, I did see your previous comment about having $crooge McDuck meet
Jack Benny. I didn't reply because I didn't dream you were serious. I
thought you were just joshing. Uh... no, I don't think it would be
appropriate for a Disney comic book character to meet up with the fictional
personality of a radio/TV comedian. Maybe one of the other writers will want
to try that (but I'm positive he won't be allowed).
OLE:
That 1987 Duck drawing of mine that you say is in the new DER DONALDIST
isn't close to being my first. I'd done spot illustrations for my RBCC
"Information Center" of the Ducks as far back as 1972... and I did an entire
comic story all about the lives of the Ducks since the 50s, sort of a mild
"underground" type thing, done about 1970. That story has been completely
lost in the ensuing years... I doubt if it will ever turn up again. Some
fanzine publisher had it and was surely too scared to publish it.
But I never drew the Ducks when I was a kid, 1951-1969... I only drew real
people (who LOOKED like real people) in my comics.
NILS:
re: the calculations in that article. Norway's DONALD DUCK & CO. sells a
quarter of a million per week, and each issue is supposedly read by 4
people. That's a million per month, whether you go by either total sales or
total readership. For an American comic to sell as well in North America,
per capita, it would have to sell about 70,000,000 issues per month. But the
most successful American comics are selling 25,000-75,000 per month and
dropping fast.
MIKE:
Check the fallen Alexandrian column that the Ducks roll up on the river bank
in the "Avatars" story. I had forgotten I'd done it, but Ole spotted some
names written on it when he was desperately searching for HIS name in that
issue (when it was actually on the cover). Sometimes I hide lil' things in
my art on the spur of the moment while I'm inking and then promptly forget
about it. To wit:
GEIR:
When you told me I'd hidden my Internet address on the last page of the
"Pizen Bluff" story, I thought you were kidding! But I looked, and sure
enough, there it is! Another example of those lil' last-instant inking
additions that slip my memory! I wonder if anyone will spot it. I get
messages from strangers all the time, but there are lots of ways for them to
find my Internet address besides that comic panel. I'll see if anyone
specifically mentions it.
Oh, yeah, I did see your previous comment about having $crooge McDuck meet
Jack Benny. I didn't reply because I didn't dream you were serious. I
thought you were just joshing. Uh... no, I don't think it would be
appropriate for a Disney comic book character to meet up with the fictional
personality of a radio/TV comedian. Maybe one of the other writers will want
to try that (but I'm positive he won't be allowed).
OLE:
That 1987 Duck drawing of mine that you say is in the new DER DONALDIST
isn't close to being my first. I'd done spot illustrations for my RBCC
"Information Center" of the Ducks as far back as 1972... and I did an entire
comic story all about the lives of the Ducks since the 50s, sort of a mild
"underground" type thing, done about 1970. That story has been completely
lost in the ensuing years... I doubt if it will ever turn up again. Some
fanzine publisher had it and was surely too scared to publish it.
But I never drew the Ducks when I was a kid, 1951-1969... I only drew real
people (who LOOKED like real people) in my comics.
NILS:
re: the calculations in that article. Norway's DONALD DUCK & CO. sells a
quarter of a million per week, and each issue is supposedly read by 4
people. That's a million per month, whether you go by either total sales or
total readership. For an American comic to sell as well in North America,
per capita, it would have to sell about 70,000,000 issues per month. But the
most successful American comics are selling 25,000-75,000 per month and
dropping fast.
MIKE:
Check the fallen Alexandrian column that the Ducks roll up on the river bank
in the "Avatars" story. I had forgotten I'd done it, but Ole spotted some
names written on it when he was desperately searching for HIS name in that
issue (when it was actually on the cover). Sometimes I hide lil' things in
my art on the spur of the moment while I'm inking and then promptly forget
about it. To wit:
GEIR:
When you told me I'd hidden my Internet address on the last page of the
"Pizen Bluff" story, I thought you were kidding! But I looked, and sure
enough, there it is! Another example of those lil' last-instant inking
additions that slip my memory! I wonder if anyone will spot it. I get
messages from strangers all the time, but there are lots of ways for them to
find my Internet address besides that comic panel. I'll see if anyone
specifically mentions it.
Marco Barlotti
Lydia, sweet Lidia...
Message 125 -
1997-01-14 at 19:20:56
LIDIA called me! Guess what! Today I had a phone call from Lidia Cannatella,
of the Zio Paperone editorial staff!
I was so flattered! And why did she want to talk to me, you might ask now?
Yeah, why did she call me? Why... wait a minute... in fact what did she want
from me?
That's a good question. We talked a lot, she complained about the hard work
she has to do for "Zio Paperone", and <I> asked her a lot of things (I'll
tell you later about these) to which she answered very politely although
evasively... but what was the reason for her call?
In fact, she didn't clearly tell me what she wanted from me... but I noticed
a change in her attitude after I answered one question (I'll tell you in a
moment, let me leave a little suspense on this) so I might GUESS why she
called me. Now, what follows is just my SPECULATION, and I'm telling you
because after all I think that's funny... maybe Lidia just wanted to be
kind, and she is calling all readers of "Zio Paperone" in these days just to
show how friendly she is.
Well, my reconstruction goes like this. It seems that Lidia has spoken on
the phone with Don in these days first time after a few months; and it seems
that they eventually came to talk about her translations and it seems that
Don mentioned my criticisms (or was she who introduced the subject of these
criticisms, Don? Because of course I had written a couple of letters to "Zio
Paperone" on this matter...). And it seems that our Don frightened Lidia a
lot telling her that I'm professor at the University of Florence and letting
her somehow suspect that I teach ENGLISH LITERATURE! (Well, of course Don
knows very well I'm not an English language academic; I sure hope he doesn't
think university professors of English literature in Italy write English the
way <I> do!!!!). So I sort of guess that Lidia was worried that in my
academic position as an English Literature professor I might somehow damage
her (maybe she is planning to enter some academic contest?) or her son
(maybe HE is?). In fact at the beginning of her call she IMMEDIATELY asked
me whether she should call me <professor>; which surprised me a lot, because
when I write to "Zio Paperone" I certainly DON'T sign "Prof. xxx" :-). I
told her yes, I'm a professor, and we started to talk about Disney Comics.
Then after a while she directly asked me WHAT SUBJECT did I teach at the
University of Florence. And when I told her <Mathematics>, oh boy!, could I
feel relief in her attitude! Then again before leaving me she asked again:
<So you're sure, you'r not a professor of English Literature?> and when I
confirmed <Mathematics!> she sighed: Oh, Mathematics! I always failed
Mathematics in school! Just like my son! It's a family pride!
[Absolutely non-Disney question, but a sad and important one: how come
people who can't do Mathematics often seem to be sort of PROUD of that? I
myself can't sky, but I'm not PROUD of that! The only thing I'm proud to say
I **can't** do, is to embrace a rifle and shoot! All other things I can't do
I'm ASHAMED I can't do them...]
Also I might ask: of course you don't need to know what a group or a
derivative is, in order to do good translations; but shouldn't you need at
least a **little** scientific attitude?
However, since Lidia had rung me up, I thought I might as well ask her a few
questions. The first one I meant to be a nice suggestion for Walt Disney
Italy: I told her, why doesn't someone from WDI subscribe on our Mailing
List so he/she can keep in touch with all the important opinions on Disney
comics which daily float in Cyberspace ;-) ; that need not be done
"officially" but still would be useful both for us AND for Walt Disney
Italy; and I mentioned Byron and David as examples for Egmont and Gladstone.
Mailing what, she asked me? Cyberwhat? Byron who? (No, no, no, I'm joking,
she DOES know Byron by fame!!! And David too!). Well, I'll see what we can
do, she politely told me.
Then I decided I should dare for good and asked her: you are such a nice
lady, and are in touch with Walt Disney Italy, and Walt Disney Italy has all
the credits for Italian Disney stories; but WE poor fans have the credits
only up to 1982 (by means of Fossati's index) AND since 1989 (when they
started printing credits), but miss all the credits from 1983 to 1988
included, so PLEEEEEEEEEASE could you intercede with WDI and let us know
those missing credits? Well, I'll see what we can do, she politely told me.
So that's the story. It was fun to speak to her. And thanks to her, also
today I have something to tell the list...
Marco
<To know Mathematics means to be able to count up to 20 without taking one's
shoes off>
(Credited to Mickey Mouse, who nonetheless has only 4 fingers per hand...;
does anyone know the correct quote, and where it's from?)
of the Zio Paperone editorial staff!
I was so flattered! And why did she want to talk to me, you might ask now?
Yeah, why did she call me? Why... wait a minute... in fact what did she want
from me?
That's a good question. We talked a lot, she complained about the hard work
she has to do for "Zio Paperone", and <I> asked her a lot of things (I'll
tell you later about these) to which she answered very politely although
evasively... but what was the reason for her call?
In fact, she didn't clearly tell me what she wanted from me... but I noticed
a change in her attitude after I answered one question (I'll tell you in a
moment, let me leave a little suspense on this) so I might GUESS why she
called me. Now, what follows is just my SPECULATION, and I'm telling you
because after all I think that's funny... maybe Lidia just wanted to be
kind, and she is calling all readers of "Zio Paperone" in these days just to
show how friendly she is.
Well, my reconstruction goes like this. It seems that Lidia has spoken on
the phone with Don in these days first time after a few months; and it seems
that they eventually came to talk about her translations and it seems that
Don mentioned my criticisms (or was she who introduced the subject of these
criticisms, Don? Because of course I had written a couple of letters to "Zio
Paperone" on this matter...). And it seems that our Don frightened Lidia a
lot telling her that I'm professor at the University of Florence and letting
her somehow suspect that I teach ENGLISH LITERATURE! (Well, of course Don
knows very well I'm not an English language academic; I sure hope he doesn't
think university professors of English literature in Italy write English the
way <I> do!!!!). So I sort of guess that Lidia was worried that in my
academic position as an English Literature professor I might somehow damage
her (maybe she is planning to enter some academic contest?) or her son
(maybe HE is?). In fact at the beginning of her call she IMMEDIATELY asked
me whether she should call me <professor>; which surprised me a lot, because
when I write to "Zio Paperone" I certainly DON'T sign "Prof. xxx" :-). I
told her yes, I'm a professor, and we started to talk about Disney Comics.
Then after a while she directly asked me WHAT SUBJECT did I teach at the
University of Florence. And when I told her <Mathematics>, oh boy!, could I
feel relief in her attitude! Then again before leaving me she asked again:
<So you're sure, you'r not a professor of English Literature?> and when I
confirmed <Mathematics!> she sighed: Oh, Mathematics! I always failed
Mathematics in school! Just like my son! It's a family pride!
[Absolutely non-Disney question, but a sad and important one: how come
people who can't do Mathematics often seem to be sort of PROUD of that? I
myself can't sky, but I'm not PROUD of that! The only thing I'm proud to say
I **can't** do, is to embrace a rifle and shoot! All other things I can't do
I'm ASHAMED I can't do them...]
Also I might ask: of course you don't need to know what a group or a
derivative is, in order to do good translations; but shouldn't you need at
least a **little** scientific attitude?
However, since Lidia had rung me up, I thought I might as well ask her a few
questions. The first one I meant to be a nice suggestion for Walt Disney
Italy: I told her, why doesn't someone from WDI subscribe on our Mailing
List so he/she can keep in touch with all the important opinions on Disney
comics which daily float in Cyberspace ;-) ; that need not be done
"officially" but still would be useful both for us AND for Walt Disney
Italy; and I mentioned Byron and David as examples for Egmont and Gladstone.
Mailing what, she asked me? Cyberwhat? Byron who? (No, no, no, I'm joking,
she DOES know Byron by fame!!! And David too!). Well, I'll see what we can
do, she politely told me.
Then I decided I should dare for good and asked her: you are such a nice
lady, and are in touch with Walt Disney Italy, and Walt Disney Italy has all
the credits for Italian Disney stories; but WE poor fans have the credits
only up to 1982 (by means of Fossati's index) AND since 1989 (when they
started printing credits), but miss all the credits from 1983 to 1988
included, so PLEEEEEEEEEASE could you intercede with WDI and let us know
those missing credits? Well, I'll see what we can do, she politely told me.
So that's the story. It was fun to speak to her. And thanks to her, also
today I have something to tell the list...
Marco
<To know Mathematics means to be able to count up to 20 without taking one's
shoes off>
(Credited to Mickey Mouse, who nonetheless has only 4 fingers per hand...;
does anyone know the correct quote, and where it's from?)
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #11
Message 126 -
1997-01-14 at 19:31:17
Gosh, people keep asking me questions that are easy to wheedle around.
BJORN-ARE:
You think 1890 was too early for that Indian to have been released from the
Florida reservation for Wild West Show appearances? Okay. The truth is he
escaped, but he was soon recaptured and it was hushed up by the military.
(That entire incident was shown at the end of my story, but Egmont deleted
that entire epilogue, the swine!)
MIKE:
Nowhere in my story does it say that $crooge did NOT appear in Buffalo
Bill's first Wild West Show in North Platte. I would go so far as to suggest
that it's even implied that he did participate if he was IN North Platte at
the time and it was HIS own idea. But even if I had said in the story that
he had NOT participated in that particular Show, he could have appeared in
any one of the dozens or hundreds of other Buffalo Bill Shows in that 8 year
span, 1882-1890. (I actually showed him appearing in ALL those other Wild
West Shows, but Egmont deleted those 7,538 pages from chapter 4 of the
"Lo$", the dogs!)
I enjoy you folks trying to catch me with nitpicky errors so that we might
make corrections in future reprints... but I would imagine others on here
might be getting bored or irritated. Perhaps you should send me these
comments in private?
By the way, this reminds me -- someone on here had said I'd made a mistake
in saying that the first Buffalo Bill Show was in 1888, and I told him that
my original script correctly had "1882". But I checked the various Egmont
printings, and I can't find one that mentions any year at all (unless it's
written out in words rather than in numbers for some odd reason). Who was
that and what was ya' talkin' about?
BJORN-ARE:
You think 1890 was too early for that Indian to have been released from the
Florida reservation for Wild West Show appearances? Okay. The truth is he
escaped, but he was soon recaptured and it was hushed up by the military.
(That entire incident was shown at the end of my story, but Egmont deleted
that entire epilogue, the swine!)
MIKE:
Nowhere in my story does it say that $crooge did NOT appear in Buffalo
Bill's first Wild West Show in North Platte. I would go so far as to suggest
that it's even implied that he did participate if he was IN North Platte at
the time and it was HIS own idea. But even if I had said in the story that
he had NOT participated in that particular Show, he could have appeared in
any one of the dozens or hundreds of other Buffalo Bill Shows in that 8 year
span, 1882-1890. (I actually showed him appearing in ALL those other Wild
West Shows, but Egmont deleted those 7,538 pages from chapter 4 of the
"Lo$", the dogs!)
I enjoy you folks trying to catch me with nitpicky errors so that we might
make corrections in future reprints... but I would imagine others on here
might be getting bored or irritated. Perhaps you should send me these
comments in private?
By the way, this reminds me -- someone on here had said I'd made a mistake
in saying that the first Buffalo Bill Show was in 1888, and I told him that
my original script correctly had "1882". But I checked the various Egmont
printings, and I can't find one that mentions any year at all (unless it's
written out in words rather than in numbers for some odd reason). Who was
that and what was ya' talkin' about?
LoLehmann
HD&L
Message 127 -
1997-01-14 at 19:42:43
I came back to Disney comics 2 years ago, and since then I noticed something
had changed in the nephews' behavior: In the comics I read as a child, HD&L
acted always of a same mind.
In modern comics, they're more individualized: They speak more to each other
(in '60s-'70s comics, they all said the same things, while generally
adressing Scrooge or Donald instead of one another). Furthermore, they don't
always agree with each other, and sometimes give away one another. Just like
real kids! (but the twins I know don't act this way...)
My observation of Don's different treatment of the nephews is confirmed by
Daniel quoting Don saying he thought 2 nephews were enough for storytelling
purposes.
Yes, that may be the case, but there's a whole different dynamic with a trio
rather than just a duo. We see buddy movies everywhere; personally I think
it's much more interesting to have 3 characters: there's room for more
combinations (2 against 1), discussion, action, ...
Laurent
had changed in the nephews' behavior: In the comics I read as a child, HD&L
acted always of a same mind.
In modern comics, they're more individualized: They speak more to each other
(in '60s-'70s comics, they all said the same things, while generally
adressing Scrooge or Donald instead of one another). Furthermore, they don't
always agree with each other, and sometimes give away one another. Just like
real kids! (but the twins I know don't act this way...)
My observation of Don's different treatment of the nephews is confirmed by
Daniel quoting Don saying he thought 2 nephews were enough for storytelling
purposes.
Yes, that may be the case, but there's a whole different dynamic with a trio
rather than just a duo. We see buddy movies everywhere; personally I think
it's much more interesting to have 3 characters: there's room for more
combinations (2 against 1), discussion, action, ...
Laurent
M. Mitchell Marmel
Disney comics Digest V97 #11
Message 128 -
1997-01-14 at 20:22:47
At 12:31 PM -0500 1/14/97, Don Rosa wrote:
>I enjoy you folks trying to catch me with nitpicky errors so that we might
>make corrections in future reprints... but I would imagine others on here
>might be getting bored or irritated. Perhaps you should send me these
>comments in private?
Heavens, no! I'm enjoying both questions and answers...
-MMM-
>I enjoy you folks trying to catch me with nitpicky errors so that we might
>make corrections in future reprints... but I would imagine others on here
>might be getting bored or irritated. Perhaps you should send me these
>comments in private?
Heavens, no! I'm enjoying both questions and answers...
-MMM-
Sschridde
Disney comics Digest V97 #10
Message 129 -
1997-01-14 at 21:26:00
Daniel:
When reading your contribution where you once again mentioned the three nephews
(2 bumping, 1 running away) a scene with exactly that situation came to my mind
(boof.... there it was)...
Am I right, when saying it was in the living-room, the bumping nephews are on
the left, the third is running to the right in direction of the panel frame...
I have a panel like this right in front of my memorial eye...
Sure, this still probably occurs in every 4th story, but maybe we can delete
half of them from our thoughts... ;-)
In German we have a saying "Es liegt mir auf der Zunge" (It's lying on my
tongue), meaning that somebody knows exactly what he wants to say but the heck
can't remember the special word..."it is waiting three feet away behind the
corner" speaking metaphorical...
Just to give some hints, can it be connected to some of the story plots coming
to my mind?
- Donald has had an accident or has transformed (like often for being so lucky
as we all know), and the kids are running for medicine, a doctor, and something
else
- maybe the xmas story, where the kids want to be nice to be worth becoming a
present, and all the old april fool's day things come in between... (mousetrap
in the shoe, hole in the cup... na I don't think so
Sorry to bother you all with this weird thinking, but I damn want to find the
story I can't remember right now... and maybe someone can follow my
rollercoaster-style mind
Soeren "God! What's my brain doing with me?" Schridde
When reading your contribution where you once again mentioned the three nephews
(2 bumping, 1 running away) a scene with exactly that situation came to my mind
(boof.... there it was)...
Am I right, when saying it was in the living-room, the bumping nephews are on
the left, the third is running to the right in direction of the panel frame...
I have a panel like this right in front of my memorial eye...
Sure, this still probably occurs in every 4th story, but maybe we can delete
half of them from our thoughts... ;-)
In German we have a saying "Es liegt mir auf der Zunge" (It's lying on my
tongue), meaning that somebody knows exactly what he wants to say but the heck
can't remember the special word..."it is waiting three feet away behind the
corner" speaking metaphorical...
Just to give some hints, can it be connected to some of the story plots coming
to my mind?
- Donald has had an accident or has transformed (like often for being so lucky
as we all know), and the kids are running for medicine, a doctor, and something
else
- maybe the xmas story, where the kids want to be nice to be worth becoming a
present, and all the old april fool's day things come in between... (mousetrap
in the shoe, hole in the cup... na I don't think so
Sorry to bother you all with this weird thinking, but I damn want to find the
story I can't remember right now... and maybe someone can follow my
rollercoaster-style mind
Soeren "God! What's my brain doing with me?" Schridde
Arthur De Wolf
270-page-"Life of Scrooge"-book?!?!?
Message 130 -
1997-01-14 at 22:16:00
Hi!
I read the following in a magazine about Disney comics:
"In honor of Uncle Scrooge's 50th birthday next summer, Egmont is
creating a number of comic products to release in the Nordic territories.
They include a Donald Duck pocket book with a special Cavazzano story and
hologram cover, to be launched with support in the Donald Duck; an
Uncle Scrooge 100-page anniversary magazine containing a selection of Carl
Barks classical stories; Don Rosa: The Life of Scrooge, a high-quality
270-page book to be co-produced by numerous publishers in the Nordic
region, Italy and France; a Giant Gold Bar Anniversary Pocket book
with a gold foil cover and 626 pages of Scrooge stories ..blah, blah, blah!"
And it goes on! BUT ofcourse ... the part that got most of my
attention, was the part where they mention that in Skandinavia AND
Italy AND France, there will be a 270-page HIGH-QUALITY book with Don's
"Life of Scrooge". That is REALLY great! It'll even be 'high-quality'.
Woooooowww! I wonder if there will be any more 'extra's' in it.
Could anyone (Byron?) tell us (or at least me) more about this?
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman
I read the following in a magazine about Disney comics:
"In honor of Uncle Scrooge's 50th birthday next summer, Egmont is
creating a number of comic products to release in the Nordic territories.
They include a Donald Duck pocket book with a special Cavazzano story and
hologram cover, to be launched with support in the Donald Duck; an
Uncle Scrooge 100-page anniversary magazine containing a selection of Carl
Barks classical stories; Don Rosa: The Life of Scrooge, a high-quality
270-page book to be co-produced by numerous publishers in the Nordic
region, Italy and France; a Giant Gold Bar Anniversary Pocket book
with a gold foil cover and 626 pages of Scrooge stories ..blah, blah, blah!"
And it goes on! BUT ofcourse ... the part that got most of my
attention, was the part where they mention that in Skandinavia AND
Italy AND France, there will be a 270-page HIGH-QUALITY book with Don's
"Life of Scrooge". That is REALLY great! It'll even be 'high-quality'.
Woooooowww! I wonder if there will be any more 'extra's' in it.
Could anyone (Byron?) tell us (or at least me) more about this?
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman
Juergen Gebhardt
Dreams of a Duck fiend
Message 131 -
1997-01-15 at 02:22:28
DON:
> I did an entire
> comic story all about the lives of the Ducks since the 50s, sort of a mild
> "underground" type thing, done about 1970. That story has been completely
> lost in the ensuing years... I doubt if it will ever turn up again. Some
> fanzine publisher had it and was surely too scared to publish it.
So you mean you didn't make any copies of the original pages? Nix, zero,
nada, zip? That's the stuff of legends to come! The soon-to-be famous lost
First Don-Rosa-Duck-Story! The Maltese Falcon of Disney comics, made all the
more desirable because it was done in an underground style. The forbidden
fruits that we will probably never taste. Just think about it ...
We already know that, by 1970, Uncle $crooge was dead, Donald and Daisy
were married, and the grown-up nephews didn't wear turtle-neck-sweaters
anymore. But what else happened since the 1950s? Did the Beagle Boys end
up on electric chairs or did they reform? Did Magica De Spell drown in
molten lava during an eruption of the Vesuvius? Did Gus Goose inherit
Grandma Duck's farm? Was Gladstone lucky enough to even inherit $crooge's
money? Did Gyro win a Nobel prize?
Come on, Don, do you really want to leave us hanging like this?
Just curious,
Juergen Gebhardt
An afterthought: Don, have you ever considered doing post-1950s stories
with slightly disguised versions of the Ducks, like Freddy Milton did
with his Big Sneeze story, for example, or like Steve Gerber will
hopefully do with Leonard the Duck. This way you could even do longer
stories, and you wouldn't have to worry about personal hygiene. :-)
Your fan base is surely large enough to support this kind of project.
Maybe Jim Valentino at Image would be interested.
Well, of course, I know that you have repeatedly stated that you are
only interested in telling Uncle $crooge stories, so I already know
your answer, but I can dream, can I?
J.G.
> I did an entire
> comic story all about the lives of the Ducks since the 50s, sort of a mild
> "underground" type thing, done about 1970. That story has been completely
> lost in the ensuing years... I doubt if it will ever turn up again. Some
> fanzine publisher had it and was surely too scared to publish it.
So you mean you didn't make any copies of the original pages? Nix, zero,
nada, zip? That's the stuff of legends to come! The soon-to-be famous lost
First Don-Rosa-Duck-Story! The Maltese Falcon of Disney comics, made all the
more desirable because it was done in an underground style. The forbidden
fruits that we will probably never taste. Just think about it ...
We already know that, by 1970, Uncle $crooge was dead, Donald and Daisy
were married, and the grown-up nephews didn't wear turtle-neck-sweaters
anymore. But what else happened since the 1950s? Did the Beagle Boys end
up on electric chairs or did they reform? Did Magica De Spell drown in
molten lava during an eruption of the Vesuvius? Did Gus Goose inherit
Grandma Duck's farm? Was Gladstone lucky enough to even inherit $crooge's
money? Did Gyro win a Nobel prize?
Come on, Don, do you really want to leave us hanging like this?
Just curious,
Juergen Gebhardt
An afterthought: Don, have you ever considered doing post-1950s stories
with slightly disguised versions of the Ducks, like Freddy Milton did
with his Big Sneeze story, for example, or like Steve Gerber will
hopefully do with Leonard the Duck. This way you could even do longer
stories, and you wouldn't have to worry about personal hygiene. :-)
Your fan base is surely large enough to support this kind of project.
Maybe Jim Valentino at Image would be interested.
Well, of course, I know that you have repeatedly stated that you are
only interested in telling Uncle $crooge stories, so I already know
your answer, but I can dream, can I?
J.G.
Yoram Moyal
Re:Picsou 300 and translation problems
Message 132 -
1997-01-15 at 11:42:20
> Subject: Picsou 300 and translation problems
Hello all,
although I am from Germany I am a keen reader of the Picsou magazines
which you can get in the near Luxembourg. (Since they usually publish
more often better stories than the german Ehapa Verlag.)
So back to your problem. I would think that, even though it should be
generally supported to use as far as possible original names and
drawings in translated comics. A change of names such as 'Entenhausen' into Duckburg
and 'Dagobert' to Scooge would beharden it for the older reader to
get used to it. (Especially if they were translated by Erika Fuchs)
But young readers to my mind, don't care what the
characters names are, as long as they speak their language. (As a kid
I didn't know that Duck was English and meant what it meant, I just
took it for their last name, just as Schmidt or Weber.)
It is due to the stories that the city of Donald & Co becomes part
of a reader's universe. Therfore I am quite sure that young readers wouldn't mind.
Personally I would be completly sorry if the comic-characters and
their surrounding would now be different than it was.
I can't judge about the turning of the F sign into a $ sign, since,
with my german reading background, I never felt comfortable, with the
fact of using in real currency in Duck comics. Maybe the $ would be
better, since it is 'less real' for French readers than the Franc.
I hope I haven't bored you with my objections.
Duck auf ! MdD: Yoram Nimmermehr Moyal
Hello all,
although I am from Germany I am a keen reader of the Picsou magazines
which you can get in the near Luxembourg. (Since they usually publish
more often better stories than the german Ehapa Verlag.)
So back to your problem. I would think that, even though it should be
generally supported to use as far as possible original names and
drawings in translated comics. A change of names such as 'Entenhausen' into Duckburg
and 'Dagobert' to Scooge would beharden it for the older reader to
get used to it. (Especially if they were translated by Erika Fuchs)
But young readers to my mind, don't care what the
characters names are, as long as they speak their language. (As a kid
I didn't know that Duck was English and meant what it meant, I just
took it for their last name, just as Schmidt or Weber.)
It is due to the stories that the city of Donald & Co becomes part
of a reader's universe. Therfore I am quite sure that young readers wouldn't mind.
Personally I would be completly sorry if the comic-characters and
their surrounding would now be different than it was.
I can't judge about the turning of the F sign into a $ sign, since,
with my german reading background, I never felt comfortable, with the
fact of using in real currency in Duck comics. Maybe the $ would be
better, since it is 'less real' for French readers than the Franc.
I hope I haven't bored you with my objections.
Duck auf ! MdD: Yoram Nimmermehr Moyal
Didier Ghez
Picsou 300 and translations
Message 133 -
1997-01-15 at 12:38:10
Hi,
ALL
Many thanks to all of you who have answered my question about returning to
the original version of names and places in French Disney comics stories. I
will transmit today copies of all your reactions to Pascal (the editor of
Picsou) as they all support and strenghten his decision.
DON
About the Ibis head in the cover of GoTLL that was reproduced in Picsou
300: It was not the only page to have its top redrawn. It's the only one
you actually noticed. All the other covers that were reproduced have the
top part redrawn. That was due to a very simple problem: Gladstone had sent
the art to Pascal with the titles of the comics appearing on it. So Pascal
had to have artists recreate the parts that were hidden by those huge
titles. As simple as that.
Regarding the thinking dog. It remains a mystery to everyone at Picsou
magazine. Pascal is trying to find the solution with the translator but
with little success till now. And nobody yet knows what the dog meant by
what he is saying. It makes not sense at all. Gremlins ??? I wonder...
DAVID
I've got the answer regarding why Picsou is called by his last name and not
his surname. But it is a very long answer that I will have to find time to
translate. I hope to do it before the end of the week.
All the best,
Didier
ALL
Many thanks to all of you who have answered my question about returning to
the original version of names and places in French Disney comics stories. I
will transmit today copies of all your reactions to Pascal (the editor of
Picsou) as they all support and strenghten his decision.
DON
About the Ibis head in the cover of GoTLL that was reproduced in Picsou
300: It was not the only page to have its top redrawn. It's the only one
you actually noticed. All the other covers that were reproduced have the
top part redrawn. That was due to a very simple problem: Gladstone had sent
the art to Pascal with the titles of the comics appearing on it. So Pascal
had to have artists recreate the parts that were hidden by those huge
titles. As simple as that.
Regarding the thinking dog. It remains a mystery to everyone at Picsou
magazine. Pascal is trying to find the solution with the translator but
with little success till now. And nobody yet knows what the dog meant by
what he is saying. It makes not sense at all. Gremlins ??? I wonder...
DAVID
I've got the answer regarding why Picsou is called by his last name and not
his surname. But it is a very long answer that I will have to find time to
translate. I hope to do it before the end of the week.
All the best,
Didier
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Daniels, original Barks-pages and bumping nephews
Message 134 -
1997-01-16 at 00:31:35
DANIEL FERM, 13-01-1997:
> Hello, since this is the the first time I write to this list I'd better
> introduce myself like everybody else does. My name is Daniel Ferm,
Oh no! *Again* another Daniel! ;-)
> I'm 15 years old (Not too young I hope!)
Gosh, mostly people here wonder if they are not too *old*... ;-)
ERIC CHUN, 13-01-1997:
>>> About 200 of Barks's original pages are known to exist still. A Finn
>>> called Matti Eronen has made a book about this, titled "Carl Barks'
>>> Surviving Comic Book Art".
>> Interesting! Is the book also useful for people who can't read Finnish?
>> Is it much work to tell exactly which art has survived (in case you
>> have the book yourself)? Are there interesting reprints of art in this
>> book?
> This book is written in English.
Can you give me a little more information? I want to know if the book
is worth buying.
SOEREN SCHRIDDE, 14-01-1997:
> When reading your contribution where you once again mentioned the three
> nephews (2 bumping, 1 running away) a scene with exactly that situation
> came to my mind (boof.... there it was)... Am I right, when saying it
> was in the living-room, the bumping nephews are on the left, the third
> is running to the right in direction of the panel frame... I have a
> panel like this right in front of my memorial eye...
Your hint about Donald having an accident or being transformed, made me
think of "Voodoo Hoodoo" (OS 238). I've checked and yes, there's such a
panel in this story (the last panel of page three). Only, it's not in the
living-room and it's the *left* nephew who's running away while the other
two are bumping. Maybe Barks has used this scene more than once?
> In German we have a saying "Es liegt mir auf der Zunge" (It's lying on
> my tongue), meaning that somebody knows exactly what he wants to say
> but the heck can't remember the special word...
The English expression is "It's lying on the tip of my tongue", which
is also what we say in Holland.
> - maybe the xmas story, where the kids want to be nice to be worth
> becoming a present, and all the old april fool's day things come in
> between... (mousetrap in the shoe, hole in the cup... na I don't think
> so
Indeed it isn't, quite the opposite: This story has a panel of all three
nephews in which each one runs away in his own direction. ;-)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"
The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks
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> Hello, since this is the the first time I write to this list I'd better
> introduce myself like everybody else does. My name is Daniel Ferm,
Oh no! *Again* another Daniel! ;-)
> I'm 15 years old (Not too young I hope!)
Gosh, mostly people here wonder if they are not too *old*... ;-)
ERIC CHUN, 13-01-1997:
>>> About 200 of Barks's original pages are known to exist still. A Finn
>>> called Matti Eronen has made a book about this, titled "Carl Barks'
>>> Surviving Comic Book Art".
>> Interesting! Is the book also useful for people who can't read Finnish?
>> Is it much work to tell exactly which art has survived (in case you
>> have the book yourself)? Are there interesting reprints of art in this
>> book?
> This book is written in English.
Can you give me a little more information? I want to know if the book
is worth buying.
SOEREN SCHRIDDE, 14-01-1997:
> When reading your contribution where you once again mentioned the three
> nephews (2 bumping, 1 running away) a scene with exactly that situation
> came to my mind (boof.... there it was)... Am I right, when saying it
> was in the living-room, the bumping nephews are on the left, the third
> is running to the right in direction of the panel frame... I have a
> panel like this right in front of my memorial eye...
Your hint about Donald having an accident or being transformed, made me
think of "Voodoo Hoodoo" (OS 238). I've checked and yes, there's such a
panel in this story (the last panel of page three). Only, it's not in the
living-room and it's the *left* nephew who's running away while the other
two are bumping. Maybe Barks has used this scene more than once?
> In German we have a saying "Es liegt mir auf der Zunge" (It's lying on
> my tongue), meaning that somebody knows exactly what he wants to say
> but the heck can't remember the special word...
The English expression is "It's lying on the tip of my tongue", which
is also what we say in Holland.
> - maybe the xmas story, where the kids want to be nice to be worth
> becoming a present, and all the old april fool's day things come in
> between... (mousetrap in the shoe, hole in the cup... na I don't think
> so
Indeed it isn't, quite the opposite: This story has a panel of all three
nephews in which each one runs away in his own direction. ;-)
Greetings,
--- Daniel
"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"
The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks
--------------------------------
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Sschridde
Disney comics Digest V97 #12
Message 135 -
1997-01-16 at 03:28:00
Being aware of the danger to start a 2-person discussion, few comments on
Daniel:
>> When reading your contribution where you once again mentioned the three
>> nephews (2 bumping, 1 running away) a scene with exactly that situation
>> came to my mind...
>
>Your hint about Donald having an accident or being transformed, made me
>think of "Voodoo Hoodoo" (OS 238). I've checked and yes, there's such a
>panel in this story (the last panel of page three). Only, it's not in the
>living-room and it's the *left* nephew who's running away while the other
>two are bumping. Maybe Barks has used this scene more than once?
Nope... I thought of Voodoo-Hoodoo myself... and was quite sure that "my bumping
nephews" weren't in there... I didn't know there is a similar panel in the
story!
>> - maybe the xmas story, where the kids want to be nice to be worth
>> becoming a present, and all the old april fool's day things come in
>> between... (mousetrap in the shoe, hole in the cup... na I don't think
>> so
>
>Indeed it isn't, quite the opposite: This story has a panel of all three
>nephews in which each one runs away in his own direction. ;-)
Got me! ;)
A last try with another story I don't remember the name of:
Donald has bet his house that he would go swimming in ice-water in the winter...
Even though the kids try to pull him into the water by a tractor, Donalds
withstands... the house would've gone to Gladstone if Daisy hadn't shown up: She
reminds on another bet: Gladstone bet to drink 5 liters of a lemonade... Then
maybe the special panel comes: One nephew wants to make the lemonade so sour
that he can't drink, another so sweet so he becomes ill... maybe this one?
Otherwise I think I have to wait til my friend coincidence (right word?) strikes
me ;)
Bye Soeren
Daniel:
>> When reading your contribution where you once again mentioned the three
>> nephews (2 bumping, 1 running away) a scene with exactly that situation
>> came to my mind...
>
>Your hint about Donald having an accident or being transformed, made me
>think of "Voodoo Hoodoo" (OS 238). I've checked and yes, there's such a
>panel in this story (the last panel of page three). Only, it's not in the
>living-room and it's the *left* nephew who's running away while the other
>two are bumping. Maybe Barks has used this scene more than once?
Nope... I thought of Voodoo-Hoodoo myself... and was quite sure that "my bumping
nephews" weren't in there... I didn't know there is a similar panel in the
story!
>> - maybe the xmas story, where the kids want to be nice to be worth
>> becoming a present, and all the old april fool's day things come in
>> between... (mousetrap in the shoe, hole in the cup... na I don't think
>> so
>
>Indeed it isn't, quite the opposite: This story has a panel of all three
>nephews in which each one runs away in his own direction. ;-)
Got me! ;)
A last try with another story I don't remember the name of:
Donald has bet his house that he would go swimming in ice-water in the winter...
Even though the kids try to pull him into the water by a tractor, Donalds
withstands... the house would've gone to Gladstone if Daisy hadn't shown up: She
reminds on another bet: Gladstone bet to drink 5 liters of a lemonade... Then
maybe the special panel comes: One nephew wants to make the lemonade so sour
that he can't drink, another so sweet so he becomes ill... maybe this one?
Otherwise I think I have to wait til my friend coincidence (right word?) strikes
me ;)
Bye Soeren