MARCO:
Do those Arabic Disney books still look like they were coloured by a
three-year-old?
By the way, those that I have (even the "normal-size" ones) are not
mirrored the way you describe. The pictures are simply rearranged and the
word-balloons redrawn. This gives a very unnatural flow of action.
ARTHUR:
We had a discussion about those missing hats here a long time ago, I
suppose before you got on. The probable reason (although noone seems to
know for sure) is that Arabs view hats as something typically Jewis, so
your guess was not so very far off.
/F
Author
Topic: 199701
(301 messages)
Fredrik Ekman
Egyptian Disney Comics
Message 31 -
1997-01-08 at 10:31:13
Harry Fluks
Little Helper
Message 32 -
1997-01-08 at 23:11:56
Remember I asked for information about Little Helper a few weeks ago?
I passed all the information to the journalist who asked for it, and he sent
me a prelimiray version of the article he is writing.
The journalist also asked the Disney press division in Florida about Little Helper. He
got the reply: "Little Helper? Never heard of. But when you find him, will you send
him this way? We sure could need some help!"
Anyway, thanks again to everyone for the information. The article will probably
be accompanied by the illustration from the Little Helper web page!
--Harry.
http://www.pi.net/~fluks4/disney.htm
I passed all the information to the journalist who asked for it, and he sent
me a prelimiray version of the article he is writing.
The journalist also asked the Disney press division in Florida about Little Helper. He
got the reply: "Little Helper? Never heard of. But when you find him, will you send
him this way? We sure could need some help!"
Anyway, thanks again to everyone for the information. The article will probably
be accompanied by the illustration from the Little Helper web page!
--Harry.
http://www.pi.net/~fluks4/disney.htm
Marco Barlotti
Egyptian Disney comics
Message 33 -
1997-01-09 at 00:50:45
ARTHUR:
> Have you noticed that in all the stories in those Arabic comics, they
> have REMOVED ALL of the HATS of characters like Uncle Scrooge and
> Gyro Gearloose? That's REALLY awkward, don't you think? It has
> probably something to do with a religion or something!
Not only didn't I notice that. In fact, it's NOT TRUE AT ALL! And sure in
those stories almost ALL characters wear hats!!! $crooge does, Donald does,
(almost) everyone does.
I guess religious taboos (if that was one) have somehow evolved since your
comics were issued...!
Marco
> Have you noticed that in all the stories in those Arabic comics, they
> have REMOVED ALL of the HATS of characters like Uncle Scrooge and
> Gyro Gearloose? That's REALLY awkward, don't you think? It has
> probably something to do with a religion or something!
Not only didn't I notice that. In fact, it's NOT TRUE AT ALL! And sure in
those stories almost ALL characters wear hats!!! $crooge does, Donald does,
(almost) everyone does.
I guess religious taboos (if that was one) have somehow evolved since your
comics were issued...!
Marco
Shaun M. Knowler
A coupla corrections
Message 34 -
1997-01-09 at 01:49:28
GLADSTONE:
In the story listings for the WDC&S albums that you print in various
comics and other albums, you claim that in the story "Donald Tames His
Temper" was Barks' first use of Daisy...but...she was used in an even
earlier story, called "The Mighty Trapper".
Those of you who were discussing Don's "first view inside the JW
guidebook":
"The Once and Future Duck" was not the first time this happened...Don did
it before in "The Curse of Nostrildamus" when the nephew showed Donald a
picture of Nostrildamus, and GASP! some text too!
-Shaun "picky" Knowler
"Who's that nickel I seen you with last night?"
In the story listings for the WDC&S albums that you print in various
comics and other albums, you claim that in the story "Donald Tames His
Temper" was Barks' first use of Daisy...but...she was used in an even
earlier story, called "The Mighty Trapper".
Those of you who were discussing Don's "first view inside the JW
guidebook":
"The Once and Future Duck" was not the first time this happened...Don did
it before in "The Curse of Nostrildamus" when the nephew showed Donald a
picture of Nostrildamus, and GASP! some text too!
-Shaun "picky" Knowler
"Who's that nickel I seen you with last night?"
Didier Ghez
Picsou 300 and translation problems
Message 35 -
1997-01-09 at 16:49:08
Hi and a very happy new year !
I really hope that I will get more time to contribute to the list this
year. May be the presence of an other Frenchman (Welcome Laurent ! :-) will
stimulate me ??
There was one question I wanted to submit to all the international members
of the list:
I have just ended a discussion with Pascal Pierrey, the editor of Picsou
Magazine and we started speaking about his introduction piece to Guardians
of the Lost Library. He explained to me that the whole editorial staff had
pondered for a week the best way to deal with the translation problem
resulting from the fact that the whole original ending of the story is
linked to the shape of the Junior Woodchucks logo. Finally Pascal had
decided to write a small introductory text for his readers to explain that
in the US, the Castors Juniors are called J W. But that acted a bit like a
spoiler, hence Laurent's commentaries in the latest digest. What else could
he have done ? I don't know.
Anyway, after having discussed that point, he told me about his tendency to
come back as often as possible to original names of secondary characters
and on a more general basis to original version of concepts. That might
include in the future the sign on $crooge's money bin that might become a $
sign instead of the current F sign.
And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
What would you feel now ?
I look forward to reading your commentaries.
Didier
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #5
****************************************
I really hope that I will get more time to contribute to the list this
year. May be the presence of an other Frenchman (Welcome Laurent ! :-) will
stimulate me ??
There was one question I wanted to submit to all the international members
of the list:
I have just ended a discussion with Pascal Pierrey, the editor of Picsou
Magazine and we started speaking about his introduction piece to Guardians
of the Lost Library. He explained to me that the whole editorial staff had
pondered for a week the best way to deal with the translation problem
resulting from the fact that the whole original ending of the story is
linked to the shape of the Junior Woodchucks logo. Finally Pascal had
decided to write a small introductory text for his readers to explain that
in the US, the Castors Juniors are called J W. But that acted a bit like a
spoiler, hence Laurent's commentaries in the latest digest. What else could
he have done ? I don't know.
Anyway, after having discussed that point, he told me about his tendency to
come back as often as possible to original names of secondary characters
and on a more general basis to original version of concepts. That might
include in the future the sign on $crooge's money bin that might become a $
sign instead of the current F sign.
And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
What would you feel now ?
I look forward to reading your commentaries.
Didier
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #5
****************************************
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Famous?!? Me?!?!?
Message 36 -
1997-01-09 at 17:58:04
On Friday 3 Januari, Arthur de Wolf wrote:
> everyone who wants a photo of me with a signature can write, fax, email
> or phone on the addresses at the end of my message! My agents will try
> to handle your requests as soon as possible! ;-)
To answer this the Barksian way:
Yes, hi want meestair Wolf's peecture... to frighten my nephews weeeth! ;-)
Greetings,
--- Daniel (just joking)
"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"
The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks
> everyone who wants a photo of me with a signature can write, fax, email
> or phone on the addresses at the end of my message! My agents will try
> to handle your requests as soon as possible! ;-)
To answer this the Barksian way:
Yes, hi want meestair Wolf's peecture... to frighten my nephews weeeth! ;-)
Greetings,
--- Daniel (just joking)
"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"
The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks
Arthur De Wolf
Egyptian Disney comics
Message 37 -
1997-01-09 at 17:59:03
Hi!
MARCO BARLOTTI:
> Not only didn't I notice that. In fact, it's NOT TRUE AT ALL! And
> sure in those stories almost ALL characters wear hats!!!
That's odd! In the comics that *I* have, the hats WERE removed! Maybe they
recently changed from removing-the-hats to not-removing-the-hats! My
Arabic comics from Egypt are from 1990/1991, so they're pretty old!
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman
MARCO BARLOTTI:
> Not only didn't I notice that. In fact, it's NOT TRUE AT ALL! And
> sure in those stories almost ALL characters wear hats!!!
That's odd! In the comics that *I* have, the hats WERE removed! Maybe they
recently changed from removing-the-hats to not-removing-the-hats! My
Arabic comics from Egypt are from 1990/1991, so they're pretty old!
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman
Jacob Sparre Andersen
Translation problems
Message 38 -
1997-01-09 at 18:46:43
DIDIER:
[...]
> linked to the shape of the Junior Woodchucks logo. Finally Pascal had
> decided to write a small introductory text for his readers to explain that
> in the US, the Castors Juniors are called J W. But that acted a bit like a
> spoiler, hence Laurent's commentaries in the latest digest. What else could
> he have done ? I don't know.
I would either have saved that bit of information till after the story or
have hidden it among a lot of other interesting stuff (like Donald's name in
other languages).
[...]
> and on a more general basis to original version of concepts. That might
> include in the future the sign on $crooge's money bin that might become a $
> sign instead of the current F sign.
Good!
> And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
> Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
> characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
> What would you feel now ?
I think the "proper" view is that Duckburg is Duckburg (even when we call it
"Dunnuvík"), and it is neither in France, nor in the Faroes - and not
_really_ in USA either (even though a lot of stuff indicates it is - I have
never met a Duck in USA, but lots of ducks).
Think of it as some sort of parallel dimension.
This is also a very economical view, because when Duckburg and Dunnuvík (and
Andeby and ...) are all the same, there is no need to change the drawings
from Duckburg when they are going to be sold to people who knows it as
Dunnuvík.
Greetings,
Jacob
--
Jacob Sparre Andersen http://www.nbi.dk/%7Esparre/
Center for Chaos and Turbulence Studies Phone: (+45) 39 65 53 51
The Niels Bohr Institute (+45) 35 32 53 05
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
[...]
> linked to the shape of the Junior Woodchucks logo. Finally Pascal had
> decided to write a small introductory text for his readers to explain that
> in the US, the Castors Juniors are called J W. But that acted a bit like a
> spoiler, hence Laurent's commentaries in the latest digest. What else could
> he have done ? I don't know.
I would either have saved that bit of information till after the story or
have hidden it among a lot of other interesting stuff (like Donald's name in
other languages).
[...]
> and on a more general basis to original version of concepts. That might
> include in the future the sign on $crooge's money bin that might become a $
> sign instead of the current F sign.
Good!
> And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
> Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
> characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
> What would you feel now ?
I think the "proper" view is that Duckburg is Duckburg (even when we call it
"Dunnuvík"), and it is neither in France, nor in the Faroes - and not
_really_ in USA either (even though a lot of stuff indicates it is - I have
never met a Duck in USA, but lots of ducks).
Think of it as some sort of parallel dimension.
This is also a very economical view, because when Duckburg and Dunnuvík (and
Andeby and ...) are all the same, there is no need to change the drawings
from Duckburg when they are going to be sold to people who knows it as
Dunnuvík.
Greetings,
Jacob
--
Jacob Sparre Andersen http://www.nbi.dk/%7Esparre/
Center for Chaos and Turbulence Studies Phone: (+45) 39 65 53 51
The Niels Bohr Institute (+45) 35 32 53 05
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
Nils Lid Hjort
Harpyes/harpies/larkies
Message 39 -
1997-01-09 at 18:51:46
Dwight Decker refers in digest #4 to "my [that is, Dwight's]
earlier idea" of changing back "larkies" to "harpies" in
the Golden Fleece story of U$ #12. I thought that was _my_ idea!;
see below for a historical rerun of a contribution of mine to
this digest of May 1996. When did you write about this, Dwight?
I suggested the "harpyes" spelling which I felt was closer to
the Greek than the Americanised "harpies". Do we know what
Barks actually wrote, back in 1954(?)? Do we know the name
of the herostratic person who made the editorial decision
about "larkies"? Did Barks object at all?
These independent suggestions only go to show that the
idea/proposal/public demand is simple and natural and must have
appeared in many readers' heads. I doubt very much that the CBL people
have done it, though. (I understand #12 came out a while ago,
even though I only have the U$-CBL's up to #10.)
Nils Lid Hjort
============from digest V96, #96, May 1996:===============
Public demand de jour:
Gladstone, give us the US #12 with _harpyes_
instead of _larkies_!
The CBLibrary in Color has just started its
Scrooge run [with 56 issues planned instead of
the originally announced 33, w/o price reduction...].
I have seen Volumes 1, 2, 3, and in the appropriate
number of months we shall see the Golden Fleecing
story of US #12, reprinted yet another time.
The last time it was reprinted was in US ADV #30,
January 1995, I think, and Gladstone felt smug
about having re-edited some art on page 16(?),
to come closer to Barks' original 1956 intentions.
Good ... but it has surprised (and irritated) me
that they haven't changed the ridiculous "larkies"
back to the only natural term "harpyes" used by
Barks when he submitted the story. We have been
told that the only and ludicrous reason for changing
to "larkies" was Disney-angst of the harpyes word
being associated with a term (then?) used for hookers.
The story is rich in references to Greek mythology
and is otherwise using terms and names correctly
(Jason, the Argonauts, the golden fleecing itself,
the connections to food, etc.), and there is no reason
now to stick to the published angst-ridden 1956 version.
[There is also a ferocious, strong and heavy bird living
in South and Middle America called "harpy", Harpia Harpyia,
and that also resemble Barks' harpyes. Its name has
the same ethymological roots as the mytho-harpyes.]
Give us harpyes, Gladstone! Then I can show the story
to the Academy of Sciences guys, and to my children,
without feeling embarrassed. And "Eyprah Senga" sounds
much better that "Eikral Senga". You should still have
time to put this in. Agreed, David G et al.?
Nils Lid Hjort
earlier idea" of changing back "larkies" to "harpies" in
the Golden Fleece story of U$ #12. I thought that was _my_ idea!;
see below for a historical rerun of a contribution of mine to
this digest of May 1996. When did you write about this, Dwight?
I suggested the "harpyes" spelling which I felt was closer to
the Greek than the Americanised "harpies". Do we know what
Barks actually wrote, back in 1954(?)? Do we know the name
of the herostratic person who made the editorial decision
about "larkies"? Did Barks object at all?
These independent suggestions only go to show that the
idea/proposal/public demand is simple and natural and must have
appeared in many readers' heads. I doubt very much that the CBL people
have done it, though. (I understand #12 came out a while ago,
even though I only have the U$-CBL's up to #10.)
Nils Lid Hjort
============from digest V96, #96, May 1996:===============
Public demand de jour:
Gladstone, give us the US #12 with _harpyes_
instead of _larkies_!
The CBLibrary in Color has just started its
Scrooge run [with 56 issues planned instead of
the originally announced 33, w/o price reduction...].
I have seen Volumes 1, 2, 3, and in the appropriate
number of months we shall see the Golden Fleecing
story of US #12, reprinted yet another time.
The last time it was reprinted was in US ADV #30,
January 1995, I think, and Gladstone felt smug
about having re-edited some art on page 16(?),
to come closer to Barks' original 1956 intentions.
Good ... but it has surprised (and irritated) me
that they haven't changed the ridiculous "larkies"
back to the only natural term "harpyes" used by
Barks when he submitted the story. We have been
told that the only and ludicrous reason for changing
to "larkies" was Disney-angst of the harpyes word
being associated with a term (then?) used for hookers.
The story is rich in references to Greek mythology
and is otherwise using terms and names correctly
(Jason, the Argonauts, the golden fleecing itself,
the connections to food, etc.), and there is no reason
now to stick to the published angst-ridden 1956 version.
[There is also a ferocious, strong and heavy bird living
in South and Middle America called "harpy", Harpia Harpyia,
and that also resemble Barks' harpyes. Its name has
the same ethymological roots as the mytho-harpyes.]
Give us harpyes, Gladstone! Then I can show the story
to the Academy of Sciences guys, and to my children,
without feeling embarrassed. And "Eyprah Senga" sounds
much better that "Eikral Senga". You should still have
time to put this in. Agreed, David G et al.?
Nils Lid Hjort
Michael G. Pfefferkorn
Greetings!
Message 40 -
1997-01-09 at 19:05:38
Hello everyone! I have been a subscriber for quite awhile, but have
never posted before. As introducktions go, I should note that I am 32,
have been collecting/reading Disney comics for over 20 years, have far
too many hobbies (according to my wife), and live in St. Louis,
Missouri. My favorite U$ story is "The Lemming with the Locket,"
and my favorite Barks story is "The Mummy's Ring."
The reason behind my posting is to bring to the attention of the group
two items that I believe may be of interest to some.
The first is the current issue of Comic Book Marketplace (Jan. 97, #43),
which contains an excellent short article by Michael Naiman: "They're as
Rare as Duck's Teeth!," which details the 20 "hardest to find" Duck
comics/books (Uncle Scrooge 179 for example), complied with the help of
many on this list. This issue may be available from the publisher
(619-437-1996), and should be at your local comic shop.
The second is the showpiece of my Xmas gifts. It is hand-painted
ceramic talking Scrooge McDuck bank/clock. Scrooge is wearing a top
hat, seated at his desk, looking accusatory. Insert a coin into the
slot atop the money bag on his desk, and he utters 12 different phrases
(e.g., "Happiness is a positive cash flow"). It is a steal at $59.95
(my guess as to the price was significantly more). Item GFG854 (pg. 5
of their "Holiday Express '96" catalog) from some company called
"Lifestyle Fascination" (800-669-0987). Caveat: The head of my Scrooge
was a separate piece which came loose in shipping, but was nonetheless
securely wrapped and was easily fixed with a little super glue. It is
truly a beautiful item, and easily the nicest (for the price) Scrooge
collectible I seen in many years. By the way, Scrooge's accent is
Scots, similar to the Ducktales voice.
I hope this information proves of interest to some of you. I should
note that I am not affiliated with or employed by either CBM or
"Lifestyle Fascination" (terrible name), although I have purchased books
from Michael Naiman before.
never posted before. As introducktions go, I should note that I am 32,
have been collecting/reading Disney comics for over 20 years, have far
too many hobbies (according to my wife), and live in St. Louis,
Missouri. My favorite U$ story is "The Lemming with the Locket,"
and my favorite Barks story is "The Mummy's Ring."
The reason behind my posting is to bring to the attention of the group
two items that I believe may be of interest to some.
The first is the current issue of Comic Book Marketplace (Jan. 97, #43),
which contains an excellent short article by Michael Naiman: "They're as
Rare as Duck's Teeth!," which details the 20 "hardest to find" Duck
comics/books (Uncle Scrooge 179 for example), complied with the help of
many on this list. This issue may be available from the publisher
(619-437-1996), and should be at your local comic shop.
The second is the showpiece of my Xmas gifts. It is hand-painted
ceramic talking Scrooge McDuck bank/clock. Scrooge is wearing a top
hat, seated at his desk, looking accusatory. Insert a coin into the
slot atop the money bag on his desk, and he utters 12 different phrases
(e.g., "Happiness is a positive cash flow"). It is a steal at $59.95
(my guess as to the price was significantly more). Item GFG854 (pg. 5
of their "Holiday Express '96" catalog) from some company called
"Lifestyle Fascination" (800-669-0987). Caveat: The head of my Scrooge
was a separate piece which came loose in shipping, but was nonetheless
securely wrapped and was easily fixed with a little super glue. It is
truly a beautiful item, and easily the nicest (for the price) Scrooge
collectible I seen in many years. By the way, Scrooge's accent is
Scots, similar to the Ducktales voice.
I hope this information proves of interest to some of you. I should
note that I am not affiliated with or employed by either CBM or
"Lifestyle Fascination" (terrible name), although I have purchased books
from Michael Naiman before.
Deckerd
harpyes/harpies/larkies
Message 41 -
1997-01-09 at 19:21:57
On Jan 9, 5:51pm, Nils Lid Hjort wrote:
> Subject: harpyes/harpies/larkies
> Dwight Decker refers in digest #4 to "my [that is, Dwight's]
> earlier idea" of changing back "larkies" to "harpies" in
> the Golden Fleece story of U$ #12. I thought that was _my_ idea!;
> see below for a historical rerun of a contribution of mine to
> this digest of May 1996. When did you write about this, Dwight?
>
Hmm...I know I came up with the idea on my own and it would
have been before the date of your proposal. The point is,
as you say, that the idea has occurred to more than one
person independently because it's an obvious idea. I've
never pushed very hard for it because of the counter-objection
that "larkies" has been in that story for so long, it's become
part of the canon, like it or not. Scrooge album #12 has
recently appeared but I haven't cracked open the shrinkwrap
to see if Gladstone made the change -- I somehow doubt it, though.
Did other-language-than-English editions use the local version
of "harpy," by the way?
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: harpyes/harpies/larkies
> Dwight Decker refers in digest #4 to "my [that is, Dwight's]
> earlier idea" of changing back "larkies" to "harpies" in
> the Golden Fleece story of U$ #12. I thought that was _my_ idea!;
> see below for a historical rerun of a contribution of mine to
> this digest of May 1996. When did you write about this, Dwight?
>
Hmm...I know I came up with the idea on my own and it would
have been before the date of your proposal. The point is,
as you say, that the idea has occurred to more than one
person independently because it's an obvious idea. I've
never pushed very hard for it because of the counter-objection
that "larkies" has been in that story for so long, it's become
part of the canon, like it or not. Scrooge album #12 has
recently appeared but I haven't cracked open the shrinkwrap
to see if Gladstone made the change -- I somehow doubt it, though.
Did other-language-than-English editions use the local version
of "harpy," by the way?
--Dwight Decker
LoLehmann
Re : Disney comics Digest V97 #5
Message 42 -
1997-01-09 at 22:06:48
DON:
> Putting words into an animals mind is not something I would do normally, if
ever.
I've always beann fascinated by Disney's non-anthropomophic animals! Why
didn't the poor guys evolve like the others? Actually, I hadn't noticed
general Snoozy's thought ballon until you asked for a translation.He says "It
would have been better to leave it to Scrooge", but it kinda feels out of
context.
Nice to see you care so much about translations of your work!
Picsou magazine's covers are highly distinctive. I'm not sure I'd find my
Picsou if it sported a traditional cover. But I love the US covers, and would
appreciate it if original covers where printed on the back-cover (What do you
think of it, Didier!). This way, kids would have a very nice poster each
month...
> Why do you think there are so few French folks in our group here?
Maybe because there are so few froggies on the internet? Or because the list
is hidden too well? I gained access to the 'net early December, immediately
looked for comics-related lists, found some nice ones (Kirby-L!), but
Disney-comics-only resources were harder to find (or I didn't look hard
enough at first!).
Are many Americans interested in Disney comics, BTW? A UK correspondent told
me there were almost no Disney comics in England!
DIDIER:
> Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
> characters are part of their country ?
Well, it seems like I'm the only other french here, so I'll speak for all my
fellow-countrymen :-)
Even as a kid, I thought the Ducks stories happened in the USA, and was
somewhat troubled by french or italian settings. So now as an adult, I'd say:
Leave the Ducks in the states! I mean, Donaldville/Duckburg's past history
(Cornelius Coot) is now so obviously american that trying to give it a
"french look" can only confuse things even more.
I don't even know if the kids would notice if you replaced the FF symbol by
$. I always thought it was $!
Laurent - (Email removed)
> Putting words into an animals mind is not something I would do normally, if
ever.
I've always beann fascinated by Disney's non-anthropomophic animals! Why
didn't the poor guys evolve like the others? Actually, I hadn't noticed
general Snoozy's thought ballon until you asked for a translation.He says "It
would have been better to leave it to Scrooge", but it kinda feels out of
context.
Nice to see you care so much about translations of your work!
Picsou magazine's covers are highly distinctive. I'm not sure I'd find my
Picsou if it sported a traditional cover. But I love the US covers, and would
appreciate it if original covers where printed on the back-cover (What do you
think of it, Didier!). This way, kids would have a very nice poster each
month...
> Why do you think there are so few French folks in our group here?
Maybe because there are so few froggies on the internet? Or because the list
is hidden too well? I gained access to the 'net early December, immediately
looked for comics-related lists, found some nice ones (Kirby-L!), but
Disney-comics-only resources were harder to find (or I didn't look hard
enough at first!).
Are many Americans interested in Disney comics, BTW? A UK correspondent told
me there were almost no Disney comics in England!
DIDIER:
> Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
> characters are part of their country ?
Well, it seems like I'm the only other french here, so I'll speak for all my
fellow-countrymen :-)
Even as a kid, I thought the Ducks stories happened in the USA, and was
somewhat troubled by french or italian settings. So now as an adult, I'd say:
Leave the Ducks in the states! I mean, Donaldville/Duckburg's past history
(Cornelius Coot) is now so obviously american that trying to give it a
"french look" can only confuse things even more.
I don't even know if the kids would notice if you replaced the FF symbol by
$. I always thought it was $!
Laurent - (Email removed)
David Gerstein
Disney comics Digest V97 #5
Message 43 -
1997-01-09 at 22:55:12
DON:
>Speaking of the "Guardians" story in PICSOU, as I flipped through I happened
>to notice one panel where General Snozzie (the Official Hound) is THINKING
>something. Putting words into an animals mind is not something I would do
>normally, if ever. Somebody at Picsou changed the balloons around to give
>the dog some mental dialogue. Please tell me what the dog is thinking on
>page 77, panel 3.
Er... I'm not sure about _that_ panel (least of all because I don't
have the relevant PICSOU issue), but in my Gladstone edition of GotLL, on
page 9 of the story, panel 10, General Snozzie is thinking "Let go! Let
go!" So you _have_ given the Official Hound thought-dialogue in that
story.
I haven't seen the Egmont version of the story, from before the
panels were rearranged. Is it possible that this panel was panel 3 of some
page in the Egmont version (which I guess the French used)?
ARTHUR:
You said Byron couldn't have written the Scrooge message because
"Brigitta MacBridge is in it and in Byron's world, she has exploded or
imploded or whatever!" Well, no, Byron himself just used her in a story...
But oh, well, I see I can't fool you any longer...
"...Because it is likely that Byron was not at his work on
Christmas, the only candidate that's still left is YOU, David!!! And you DO
have an email-account! So where were you on the night of December 26th?"
Er... >koff-koff!< ...in my money bin polishing my Number One Dime,
of course! You think I'd let it get *rusty?* ;-) ;-)
Thanks very much for the compliments on the letter! I'll forward
them to "Scrooge" for you...
As you now know, Don guessed whodunnit just before you did.
MARCO:
>I guess religious taboos (if that was one) have somehow evolved since your
>comics were issued...!
The Disney comic with the hats removed was quite old, wasn't it?
Thus it probably dates from before Egypt and Israel made peace. Since the
newer comics you've got date from, er, since then, it's I guess seen as
fine to show the hats there now.
About sixty years ago, a lot of Jewish immigrants in this country
(including some of my relatives) tended to work as merchants or
shopkeepers. Gottfredson noticed this trend, putting yarmulkes on the
shopkeepers in "The Miracle Master" and "Oscar the Ostrich". I guess there
were some religious taboos HERE in the 1980s, because in the American
reprints, the yarmulkes were removed. (In fact, the shopkeeper in the
strip for 2/22/36 had his entire head replaced with that of a
bill-collector from strip 10/14/34!)
SHAUN:
>In the story listings for the WDC&S albums that you print in various
>comics and other albums, you claim that in the story "Donald Tames His
>Temper" was Barks' first use of Daisy...but...she was used in an even
>earlier story, called "The Mighty Trapper" [WDC&S 36].
I've been meaning to mention this here for a while. Actually,
she's also in the WDC&S 60 story "Eyes in the Dark" (only in silhouette,
but identified by name). Donald uses his radar tracker to watch her at her
knitting. That's still a couple issues ahead of WDC&S 64.
I think the confusion stems from Mike Barrier's (magnificent and
otherwise flawless) Barks bibliography in his _Carl Barks and the Art of
the Comic Book_, which states incorrectly that WDC&S 64 is Barks' first
Daisy.
DIDIER:
>And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
>Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
>characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
>What would you feel now ?
Let's use a theoretical example. If I was a young German reader
who'd known Cornelius Coot for years as Emil Erpel, then suddenly saw a
casual reference to Cornelius Coot (by that name) in a new story, I'd miss
the allusion entirely -- or even think that the newer story was
inconsistent and thus maybe even poorly researched.
On the other hand, let's say William Van Horn's recurring character
Rumpus McFowl hasn't appeared yet in France (maybe he has; I don't know
what Egmont stories have been reprinted there). If you called him Rumpus
McFowl from the start, there'd be no problem with consistency.
Yet again, many names (including Rumpus McFowl) are the way they
are in American English because they include a humorous word. "Rumpus"
means noisy chaos. If a name is funny in American English, I'd go ahead
and translate it to something equivalent in French rather than leaving it
in English. Leaving it in English means that it just becomes a meaningless
name unless the reader possesses a good grasp of a foreign tongue.
Two other questions for you: In French, Scrooge McDuck's name
isn't simply Picsou, but Balthazar Picsou (I hope I have the spelling
right). An excellent, grandiose-sounding name, but why should the other
ducks call him by his *last* name (Picsou) rather than his first
(Balthazar)?
Second, have any of my Egmont stories appeared in French, and if
so, how might I go about getting copies of them? (Please reply privately
to this one, only when you have the time.)
<(Email removed)>
>Speaking of the "Guardians" story in PICSOU, as I flipped through I happened
>to notice one panel where General Snozzie (the Official Hound) is THINKING
>something. Putting words into an animals mind is not something I would do
>normally, if ever. Somebody at Picsou changed the balloons around to give
>the dog some mental dialogue. Please tell me what the dog is thinking on
>page 77, panel 3.
Er... I'm not sure about _that_ panel (least of all because I don't
have the relevant PICSOU issue), but in my Gladstone edition of GotLL, on
page 9 of the story, panel 10, General Snozzie is thinking "Let go! Let
go!" So you _have_ given the Official Hound thought-dialogue in that
story.
I haven't seen the Egmont version of the story, from before the
panels were rearranged. Is it possible that this panel was panel 3 of some
page in the Egmont version (which I guess the French used)?
ARTHUR:
You said Byron couldn't have written the Scrooge message because
"Brigitta MacBridge is in it and in Byron's world, she has exploded or
imploded or whatever!" Well, no, Byron himself just used her in a story...
But oh, well, I see I can't fool you any longer...
"...Because it is likely that Byron was not at his work on
Christmas, the only candidate that's still left is YOU, David!!! And you DO
have an email-account! So where were you on the night of December 26th?"
Er... >koff-koff!< ...in my money bin polishing my Number One Dime,
of course! You think I'd let it get *rusty?* ;-) ;-)
Thanks very much for the compliments on the letter! I'll forward
them to "Scrooge" for you...
As you now know, Don guessed whodunnit just before you did.
MARCO:
>I guess religious taboos (if that was one) have somehow evolved since your
>comics were issued...!
The Disney comic with the hats removed was quite old, wasn't it?
Thus it probably dates from before Egypt and Israel made peace. Since the
newer comics you've got date from, er, since then, it's I guess seen as
fine to show the hats there now.
About sixty years ago, a lot of Jewish immigrants in this country
(including some of my relatives) tended to work as merchants or
shopkeepers. Gottfredson noticed this trend, putting yarmulkes on the
shopkeepers in "The Miracle Master" and "Oscar the Ostrich". I guess there
were some religious taboos HERE in the 1980s, because in the American
reprints, the yarmulkes were removed. (In fact, the shopkeeper in the
strip for 2/22/36 had his entire head replaced with that of a
bill-collector from strip 10/14/34!)
SHAUN:
>In the story listings for the WDC&S albums that you print in various
>comics and other albums, you claim that in the story "Donald Tames His
>Temper" was Barks' first use of Daisy...but...she was used in an even
>earlier story, called "The Mighty Trapper" [WDC&S 36].
I've been meaning to mention this here for a while. Actually,
she's also in the WDC&S 60 story "Eyes in the Dark" (only in silhouette,
but identified by name). Donald uses his radar tracker to watch her at her
knitting. That's still a couple issues ahead of WDC&S 64.
I think the confusion stems from Mike Barrier's (magnificent and
otherwise flawless) Barks bibliography in his _Carl Barks and the Art of
the Comic Book_, which states incorrectly that WDC&S 64 is Barks' first
Daisy.
DIDIER:
>And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
>Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
>characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
>What would you feel now ?
Let's use a theoretical example. If I was a young German reader
who'd known Cornelius Coot for years as Emil Erpel, then suddenly saw a
casual reference to Cornelius Coot (by that name) in a new story, I'd miss
the allusion entirely -- or even think that the newer story was
inconsistent and thus maybe even poorly researched.
On the other hand, let's say William Van Horn's recurring character
Rumpus McFowl hasn't appeared yet in France (maybe he has; I don't know
what Egmont stories have been reprinted there). If you called him Rumpus
McFowl from the start, there'd be no problem with consistency.
Yet again, many names (including Rumpus McFowl) are the way they
are in American English because they include a humorous word. "Rumpus"
means noisy chaos. If a name is funny in American English, I'd go ahead
and translate it to something equivalent in French rather than leaving it
in English. Leaving it in English means that it just becomes a meaningless
name unless the reader possesses a good grasp of a foreign tongue.
Two other questions for you: In French, Scrooge McDuck's name
isn't simply Picsou, but Balthazar Picsou (I hope I have the spelling
right). An excellent, grandiose-sounding name, but why should the other
ducks call him by his *last* name (Picsou) rather than his first
(Balthazar)?
Second, have any of my Egmont stories appeared in French, and if
so, how might I go about getting copies of them? (Please reply privately
to this one, only when you have the time.)
<(Email removed)>
Arthur De Wolf
Trust no one
Message 44 -
1997-01-10 at 00:30:51
Hi!
DIDIER GHEZ:
I think I would have no problem if from now on they clearly stated
in Dutch Disney comics that Duckburg was in America and that all money-bills
and coins are suddenly DOLLARS. But that's ofcourse because I KNOW that
Duckburg is officially in America and because I am big collector
and 'fan' of Disney comics. But I think that most people in Holland already
know that Duckburg is not in Holland. In Dutch comics, the Ducks sometimes
drive out of Duckburg and suddenly arrive in the dessert. Or after an
hour drive they're already in some kind of national park or indian-reser-
voir or something. THAT's very unlikely to happen in the Netherlands,
unless you see the entire Duck-universe to take place in a giant holo-deck
on a star-ship somewhere in the future, but I'm probably the only one
thinking that after seeing too much Star Trek. In Greece all
stories have Dollar-signs. I don't know if it is also stated that Scrooge
has Dollars in stead of Drachmen, cause my Greek is not what it used to be.
I also remember seeing Dollar-signs in Italian Zio Paperone. But I've also
seen Lire-signs in other Italian comics.
My opinion is that in all countries, the publishers should make
a difference between stories that have no real meaning to the location of
where it takes place and stories like the Life of Scrooge. In France, for
instance, they should use dollars and American locations in all the
Barks and Rosa-stories (in Picsou) and they could use French Francs and
croissants in Le Journal de Mickey. That's exactly what they do with Zio
Paperone in Italy, I think. In general, this means that that comics that
are aimed at a more mature public containing historical and classic stories
by Barks and/or Rosa should actually have references to the United States
and that other comics have to take place in the country where that same
comic is published!
THERE!
DAVID GERSTEIN:
> she has exploded or imploded or whatever!" Well, no, Byron himself
> just used her in a story...
Don't you get it? That story took place BEFORE the 'Big Bang'!
> As you now know, Don guessed whodunnit just before you did.
Hahaaaa!!! That's not true, cause *I* SENT my letter much earlier than Don
did! If you look at the header of my email, you can see that I sent it
around 22:30 CET. That is about 11 hours EARLIER than Don! I don't
know what happened to that email, but it should have already been in the
digest before the digest in which it has now appeared!
If you ask me it's just some kind of conspiracy. But that's because
I've been watching to many X-Files episodes lately, which tend to make me
a bit PARANOID. I start seeing bottomless conspiracies everywhere I look!
Everyone starts looking suspi... WAIT! Who are you? Why are you asking
all these questions? Are you one of THEM?!? ;-)
Anyway ... I WAS earlier than Don! Whether you believe it or not! ;-)
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman
DIDIER GHEZ:
I think I would have no problem if from now on they clearly stated
in Dutch Disney comics that Duckburg was in America and that all money-bills
and coins are suddenly DOLLARS. But that's ofcourse because I KNOW that
Duckburg is officially in America and because I am big collector
and 'fan' of Disney comics. But I think that most people in Holland already
know that Duckburg is not in Holland. In Dutch comics, the Ducks sometimes
drive out of Duckburg and suddenly arrive in the dessert. Or after an
hour drive they're already in some kind of national park or indian-reser-
voir or something. THAT's very unlikely to happen in the Netherlands,
unless you see the entire Duck-universe to take place in a giant holo-deck
on a star-ship somewhere in the future, but I'm probably the only one
thinking that after seeing too much Star Trek. In Greece all
stories have Dollar-signs. I don't know if it is also stated that Scrooge
has Dollars in stead of Drachmen, cause my Greek is not what it used to be.
I also remember seeing Dollar-signs in Italian Zio Paperone. But I've also
seen Lire-signs in other Italian comics.
My opinion is that in all countries, the publishers should make
a difference between stories that have no real meaning to the location of
where it takes place and stories like the Life of Scrooge. In France, for
instance, they should use dollars and American locations in all the
Barks and Rosa-stories (in Picsou) and they could use French Francs and
croissants in Le Journal de Mickey. That's exactly what they do with Zio
Paperone in Italy, I think. In general, this means that that comics that
are aimed at a more mature public containing historical and classic stories
by Barks and/or Rosa should actually have references to the United States
and that other comics have to take place in the country where that same
comic is published!
THERE!
DAVID GERSTEIN:
> she has exploded or imploded or whatever!" Well, no, Byron himself
> just used her in a story...
Don't you get it? That story took place BEFORE the 'Big Bang'!
> As you now know, Don guessed whodunnit just before you did.
Hahaaaa!!! That's not true, cause *I* SENT my letter much earlier than Don
did! If you look at the header of my email, you can see that I sent it
around 22:30 CET. That is about 11 hours EARLIER than Don! I don't
know what happened to that email, but it should have already been in the
digest before the digest in which it has now appeared!
If you ask me it's just some kind of conspiracy. But that's because
I've been watching to many X-Files episodes lately, which tend to make me
a bit PARANOID. I start seeing bottomless conspiracies everywhere I look!
Everyone starts looking suspi... WAIT! Who are you? Why are you asking
all these questions? Are you one of THEM?!? ;-)
Anyway ... I WAS earlier than Don! Whether you believe it or not! ;-)
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf -- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman
Shaun M. Knowler
PISCOU 300/Thinking dogs
Message 45 -
1997-01-10 at 00:41:37
DON:
The American version of "Lost Library" has General Snozzie having thoughts
too...it's in the scene where $crooge is hanging from his neck and HD&L
are telling him to "Hang on! Hang on!" while the General is thinking "Let
go! Let go!".
GARY LEACH:
Does Gladstone have or soon to be getting posession of that particular
fold out poster by Don in PISCOU 300? I think it'd be great to be printed
with Don's special 50th annaversiary $crooge story! Besides, I really
wanna have it! :)
-Shaun "Jealous of Europeans cuz they get all the cool Rosa stuff" Knowler
The American version of "Lost Library" has General Snozzie having thoughts
too...it's in the scene where $crooge is hanging from his neck and HD&L
are telling him to "Hang on! Hang on!" while the General is thinking "Let
go! Let go!".
GARY LEACH:
Does Gladstone have or soon to be getting posession of that particular
fold out poster by Don in PISCOU 300? I think it'd be great to be printed
with Don's special 50th annaversiary $crooge story! Besides, I really
wanna have it! :)
-Shaun "Jealous of Europeans cuz they get all the cool Rosa stuff" Knowler