In a message dated 97-01-09 10:13:32 EST, you write:
<< Right now I am doing the 60th Anniversary HD&L story, and it will deal
with how they first joined the Jr.WCs, and I imagine I'll include more info
about the formation of that group and Clinton Coot. >>
Don: I must say I'm looking forward to this story. Will you be drawing on
any of the history of the Boy Scouts of America in that story? I've always
assumed the Jr. Woodchucks were the scouts in disguise. When will this story
be printed in America, do you think?
-- Wes
P.S. I think it's great how both Don and Arthur used their detective caps to
deduce who wrote $crooge's recent letter. "Elementary, my dear Watson.
Elementary."
Author
Topic: 199701
(301 messages)
Wandersen2
Woodchuck History
Message 46 -
1997-01-10 at 01:37:46
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Gladstone comics for March 1997
Message 47 -
1997-01-10 at 02:17:37
Hi all!
Sorry for the delay in posting these. Quite honestly, I had forgotten! Ack!
In any case, this is duplicated from American Entertainment's home page at
http://smash.mgz.com
-Augie
Donald Duck Adventures #44
by Tony Strobol
Release Date: March 10
This issue features "The Kitchy-Kaw Diamond," Tony Strobol's often
requested classic from Donald Duck #40 (1955) in which Donald and the
boys are sent to the frozen north by Uncle Scrooge in search of the
legendary diamond of the story's title. But they're dogged by the fearsome
Beagle Boys the entire way!
Uncle Scrooge #304
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 10
Features "Mr. Private Eye," from WDC&S #252 (1961), by Carl Barks, in
which Donald, who has a reputation for being an ace solver-of-mysteries, is
hired by the City of Duckburg to guard Uncle Scrooge while he presents his
famous cat's-eye opal to King Notraks of Toolong Sarong. But to fulfill his
mission, Donald has to contend with the Beagle Boys and the opal's mysterious
ability to entrance those who look at it under the rays of the sun.
Uncle Scrooge Adventures #47
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 10
Contains "The Menehune Mystery," Carl Barks feature-length epic, also
known as "Hawaiian Hideaway," from Uncle Scrooge #3 (1954). Barks
wife, Gare, was raised in Hawaii and serves as his inspiration and mentor in
this adventure involving the Ducks, the Beagle Boys, and fabulous Hawaiian
sprites known as "menehunes." Popular modern artists and Carl Barks protege
William Van Horn provides the cover for this issue.
Uncle Scrooge Adventures in Color #21
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 3 [My birthday! And what a present it will make!]
This issue contains "The Money Well," from Uncle Scrooge #21, Barks'
update of his first Scrooge adventure, "Only a Poor Old Man." In this
classic, Uncle Scrooge thinks to hide his fortune from he Beagle Boys by
burying it under a country plot of land. Unfortunately, Scrooge's eyesight is so
weak -- because he refuses to buy a new pair of glasses -- that he mistakenly
puts his money, not under his land, but under Grandpa Beagle's.
Uncle Scrooge Adventures in Color #22
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 3
Features "The Golden River," from US #22, a fairy tale/parable retold in the
inimitable Carl Barks fashion. Scrooge's tightfisted nature leads him to seek
solitude in a forest cabin near a waterfall. But when he discovers the waterfall
sometimes flows with gold Donald and the boys have to give him a lesson in greed
and charity, courtesy of a retold fable about the Gnome King of the Golden
River.
Walt Disney's Comics #612
by Various
Release Date: March 17
"The Sod Couple" -- William Van Horn's latest ten pager falls right in line with
the current theme of Gladstone's newest title, the Penny Pincher. It pits Donald
once again against his next door nemesis, Neighbor Jones in another hilarious
Van Horn escapade. "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" -- Don Rosa's second
installment of his latest Duck epic continues the tribulations of Uncle Scrooge
and Donald after they've been reduced by the Beagle Boys to miniature size --
along with the money bin. "The Mail Pilot" -- The final installment of Floyd
Gottfredson's vintage Mickey Mouse masterpiece wraps up the feisty rodent's
airborne troubles with sky pirate Peg Leg Pete.
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories Penny Pincher #2
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 10
The second issue of Gladstone's newest title -- a 16-page 99-cent magazine
-- continues the first three issues' theme of Donald Duck versus Neighbor
Jones. This issue presents the introductory pages from "Good Deeds," the
story from WDC&S #34 (1943) that featured the debut of a somewhat
different-looking Neighbor Jones, along with "Feud and Far Between,"
Barks' reintroduction of Jones from WDC&S #281 (1964), as well as
feature material, including a model sheet of Neighbor Jones drawn by Barks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * VR.5 FAQkeeper
Watch VR.5! Coming to Sci-Fi Channel 14 Jan 97!
http://www.nic.com/~augie/vr5/index.htm
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****************************************
Sorry for the delay in posting these. Quite honestly, I had forgotten! Ack!
In any case, this is duplicated from American Entertainment's home page at
http://smash.mgz.com
-Augie
Donald Duck Adventures #44
by Tony Strobol
Release Date: March 10
This issue features "The Kitchy-Kaw Diamond," Tony Strobol's often
requested classic from Donald Duck #40 (1955) in which Donald and the
boys are sent to the frozen north by Uncle Scrooge in search of the
legendary diamond of the story's title. But they're dogged by the fearsome
Beagle Boys the entire way!
Uncle Scrooge #304
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 10
Features "Mr. Private Eye," from WDC&S #252 (1961), by Carl Barks, in
which Donald, who has a reputation for being an ace solver-of-mysteries, is
hired by the City of Duckburg to guard Uncle Scrooge while he presents his
famous cat's-eye opal to King Notraks of Toolong Sarong. But to fulfill his
mission, Donald has to contend with the Beagle Boys and the opal's mysterious
ability to entrance those who look at it under the rays of the sun.
Uncle Scrooge Adventures #47
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 10
Contains "The Menehune Mystery," Carl Barks feature-length epic, also
known as "Hawaiian Hideaway," from Uncle Scrooge #3 (1954). Barks
wife, Gare, was raised in Hawaii and serves as his inspiration and mentor in
this adventure involving the Ducks, the Beagle Boys, and fabulous Hawaiian
sprites known as "menehunes." Popular modern artists and Carl Barks protege
William Van Horn provides the cover for this issue.
Uncle Scrooge Adventures in Color #21
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 3 [My birthday! And what a present it will make!]
This issue contains "The Money Well," from Uncle Scrooge #21, Barks'
update of his first Scrooge adventure, "Only a Poor Old Man." In this
classic, Uncle Scrooge thinks to hide his fortune from he Beagle Boys by
burying it under a country plot of land. Unfortunately, Scrooge's eyesight is so
weak -- because he refuses to buy a new pair of glasses -- that he mistakenly
puts his money, not under his land, but under Grandpa Beagle's.
Uncle Scrooge Adventures in Color #22
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 3
Features "The Golden River," from US #22, a fairy tale/parable retold in the
inimitable Carl Barks fashion. Scrooge's tightfisted nature leads him to seek
solitude in a forest cabin near a waterfall. But when he discovers the waterfall
sometimes flows with gold Donald and the boys have to give him a lesson in greed
and charity, courtesy of a retold fable about the Gnome King of the Golden
River.
Walt Disney's Comics #612
by Various
Release Date: March 17
"The Sod Couple" -- William Van Horn's latest ten pager falls right in line with
the current theme of Gladstone's newest title, the Penny Pincher. It pits Donald
once again against his next door nemesis, Neighbor Jones in another hilarious
Van Horn escapade. "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" -- Don Rosa's second
installment of his latest Duck epic continues the tribulations of Uncle Scrooge
and Donald after they've been reduced by the Beagle Boys to miniature size --
along with the money bin. "The Mail Pilot" -- The final installment of Floyd
Gottfredson's vintage Mickey Mouse masterpiece wraps up the feisty rodent's
airborne troubles with sky pirate Peg Leg Pete.
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories Penny Pincher #2
by Carl Barks
Release Date: March 10
The second issue of Gladstone's newest title -- a 16-page 99-cent magazine
-- continues the first three issues' theme of Donald Duck versus Neighbor
Jones. This issue presents the introductory pages from "Good Deeds," the
story from WDC&S #34 (1943) that featured the debut of a somewhat
different-looking Neighbor Jones, along with "Feud and Far Between,"
Barks' reintroduction of Jones from WDC&S #281 (1964), as well as
feature material, including a model sheet of Neighbor Jones drawn by Barks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * (Email removed) * VR.5 FAQkeeper
Watch VR.5! Coming to Sci-Fi Channel 14 Jan 97!
http://www.nic.com/~augie/vr5/index.htm
--------------------------------
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David Gerstein
Disney comics Digest V97 #6
Message 48 -
1997-01-10 at 11:08:10
ARTHUR:
"I start seeing bottomless conspiracies everywhere I look!
Everyone starts looking suspi... WAIT! Who are you? Why are you asking all
these questions? Are you one of THEM?!?"
Who do you mean by THEM?!? Outer-space aliens, maybe? Well, you
might say I have an interest in Pluto!
MATT:
"I tend to think that kids have an inherent fascination with
foreign cultures, so who knows?"
I sure had such a fascination, BTW. And I'm certainly frustrated
at the sadly small amount of foreign culture that seems to be tolerated in
the United States. It gets down to the most elemental things. At my
college dining hall, they got constant requests to keep down the foreign
food and serve more "American food" -- identified, to name two examples, as
mashed potatoes and grilled-cheese sandwiches (nothing wrong with those of
course, but...)
On the other hand, all my local bookstores do a booming business in
Tintin and Asterix (even though we don't have the post-Goscinny Asterixes
outside of comic shops), so somebody's still interested in foreign
culture...
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
<(Email removed)>
"I start seeing bottomless conspiracies everywhere I look!
Everyone starts looking suspi... WAIT! Who are you? Why are you asking all
these questions? Are you one of THEM?!?"
Who do you mean by THEM?!? Outer-space aliens, maybe? Well, you
might say I have an interest in Pluto!
MATT:
"I tend to think that kids have an inherent fascination with
foreign cultures, so who knows?"
I sure had such a fascination, BTW. And I'm certainly frustrated
at the sadly small amount of foreign culture that seems to be tolerated in
the United States. It gets down to the most elemental things. At my
college dining hall, they got constant requests to keep down the foreign
food and serve more "American food" -- identified, to name two examples, as
mashed potatoes and grilled-cheese sandwiches (nothing wrong with those of
course, but...)
On the other hand, all my local bookstores do a booming business in
Tintin and Asterix (even though we don't have the post-Goscinny Asterixes
outside of comic shops), so somebody's still interested in foreign
culture...
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
<(Email removed)>
Ole R. Nielsen
More Bluff spoilers
Message 49 -
1997-01-10 at 11:10:29
I've been away over christmas, and new year and can now
comment at all three chapters of Don Rosa's latest epic.
I'm sure you've covered most of this before, but since I
already wrote this I'm mailing it anyway. Then I'll go home
and read all the digests I've been saving up. :-)
Non-Egmont readers, hit fast-forward. Rosa *SPOILER* ahead:
'The Pizen Bluff story' (the exact title has slipped my mind) has
been published in three issues of a.o. Danish weeklies just recently.
The story takes place in 1890 - right in the empty middle of the
Life of Scrooge saga, between chapters six and seven, as referred to in
the opening panels of the latter. This is for once explicitly shown by
a legend ('Arizona 1890') in the scrapbook Scrooge is reading to his
nephews on the splash page. As usual I get the impression that Don
had this planned all along. The chapter numbers start to make less
sense as the gaps are filled with further adventures of Buck McDuck.
The chief actors apart from Scrooge and the Daltons are Pothole
McDuck, Phineas T. Barnum, Buffalo Bill, Annie Oakley and a mysterious
apache indian called Gokhlayeh, meaning 'He Who Yawns'.
As you may remeber, Scrooge met Buffalo Bill around 1888 in North Platte
and gave him the idea for his Wild West Show. No? _I_ do. Or do I...?
Pothole is an old familiar, Annie is reknown for the musical bearing
her name, and Barnum is part of Barnum & Bailey, eponymous circus
managers. Who Goklayeh is won't be revealed here, though Scrooge did
recognize his name, which had me mystified for a couple of weeks.
The plot is simple, and probably swiped from a dozen classic westerns
if I know Don well: the Robbery, the Chase, the Showdown.
The pacing seems a bit slow to start with, but probably follows that of
the old movies closer than the typical action-packed comics of our day.
Also the many characters need to be presented before the going can get
rough. For a three-parter the story does take a little too long to get
going, and I only had to wait a week between chapters. Hopefully this
will be presented in one part in the US, as Gladstone has promised would
be possible with some of Don's longer stories.
Don is really pushing his luck this time with respect (or lack of it)
to the Disney code: apart from references to, and a few cheap jokes on,
native Americans and their languages, there's a lot of shooting and
threatening with six-shooters taking place. The story's climax is an
image of Scrooge charging the Daltons with their guns ablazin'.
I guess Don will be busy re-drawing many panels for the American
publication of this story. I do believe there will be a such after all.
The tie-ins with Barks stories are few - I can only think of DD 52,
"The Lost Peg Leg Mine" and, of course, US 26, "Return to Pizen Bluff".
Not to mention the remark in the very first issue of Uncle Scrooge about
him "outfoxing the Daltons".
Critical comments/questions: Did Buffalo Bill remeber correctly when
he stated that he had met Scrooge a couple of years ago in North Platte?
According to the dates outlined by Don in his text piece in US 291, that
year would have found Scrooge in the Transvaal. Or is it the date 1890
on the poster that is actually a bit behind?
Why the reference to "The Magnificent Seven", the 1960 remake of "The
Seven Samurais", when there are hardly any parallels?
Uh... that's all I can think of, but doubtlessly the more versed in
American folklore can think of more relevant questions.
Anyway, another fine story by Don. Too bad half a year will pass before
his next story will hit the shops here in Denmark. Since Don is not
getting more productive, maybe Byron could nix a couple of his next
scripts and then secretly hand them over to, say, that Rota guy, so
he can get on with some more of his great stories...
Just kidding - but I insist that while there are many artists better
than Rosa, there are hardly any scripters/pencilers on par. Inking
takes so much of his valuable time. But so does this list, and I would
surely miss his contributions here.
-- Ole 'RoC' Reichstein <(Email removed)>
"Draw?! Are you crazy? Do you know what bullets _cost_ these days?"
comment at all three chapters of Don Rosa's latest epic.
I'm sure you've covered most of this before, but since I
already wrote this I'm mailing it anyway. Then I'll go home
and read all the digests I've been saving up. :-)
Non-Egmont readers, hit fast-forward. Rosa *SPOILER* ahead:
'The Pizen Bluff story' (the exact title has slipped my mind) has
been published in three issues of a.o. Danish weeklies just recently.
The story takes place in 1890 - right in the empty middle of the
Life of Scrooge saga, between chapters six and seven, as referred to in
the opening panels of the latter. This is for once explicitly shown by
a legend ('Arizona 1890') in the scrapbook Scrooge is reading to his
nephews on the splash page. As usual I get the impression that Don
had this planned all along. The chapter numbers start to make less
sense as the gaps are filled with further adventures of Buck McDuck.
The chief actors apart from Scrooge and the Daltons are Pothole
McDuck, Phineas T. Barnum, Buffalo Bill, Annie Oakley and a mysterious
apache indian called Gokhlayeh, meaning 'He Who Yawns'.
As you may remeber, Scrooge met Buffalo Bill around 1888 in North Platte
and gave him the idea for his Wild West Show. No? _I_ do. Or do I...?
Pothole is an old familiar, Annie is reknown for the musical bearing
her name, and Barnum is part of Barnum & Bailey, eponymous circus
managers. Who Goklayeh is won't be revealed here, though Scrooge did
recognize his name, which had me mystified for a couple of weeks.
The plot is simple, and probably swiped from a dozen classic westerns
if I know Don well: the Robbery, the Chase, the Showdown.
The pacing seems a bit slow to start with, but probably follows that of
the old movies closer than the typical action-packed comics of our day.
Also the many characters need to be presented before the going can get
rough. For a three-parter the story does take a little too long to get
going, and I only had to wait a week between chapters. Hopefully this
will be presented in one part in the US, as Gladstone has promised would
be possible with some of Don's longer stories.
Don is really pushing his luck this time with respect (or lack of it)
to the Disney code: apart from references to, and a few cheap jokes on,
native Americans and their languages, there's a lot of shooting and
threatening with six-shooters taking place. The story's climax is an
image of Scrooge charging the Daltons with their guns ablazin'.
I guess Don will be busy re-drawing many panels for the American
publication of this story. I do believe there will be a such after all.
The tie-ins with Barks stories are few - I can only think of DD 52,
"The Lost Peg Leg Mine" and, of course, US 26, "Return to Pizen Bluff".
Not to mention the remark in the very first issue of Uncle Scrooge about
him "outfoxing the Daltons".
Critical comments/questions: Did Buffalo Bill remeber correctly when
he stated that he had met Scrooge a couple of years ago in North Platte?
According to the dates outlined by Don in his text piece in US 291, that
year would have found Scrooge in the Transvaal. Or is it the date 1890
on the poster that is actually a bit behind?
Why the reference to "The Magnificent Seven", the 1960 remake of "The
Seven Samurais", when there are hardly any parallels?
Uh... that's all I can think of, but doubtlessly the more versed in
American folklore can think of more relevant questions.
Anyway, another fine story by Don. Too bad half a year will pass before
his next story will hit the shops here in Denmark. Since Don is not
getting more productive, maybe Byron could nix a couple of his next
scripts and then secretly hand them over to, say, that Rota guy, so
he can get on with some more of his great stories...
Just kidding - but I insist that while there are many artists better
than Rosa, there are hardly any scripters/pencilers on par. Inking
takes so much of his valuable time. But so does this list, and I would
surely miss his contributions here.
-- Ole 'RoC' Reichstein <(Email removed)>
"Draw?! Are you crazy? Do you know what bullets _cost_ these days?"
Byron Erickson
Recipes for Disaster
Message 50 -
1997-01-10 at 11:50:40
ARTHUR DE WOLF in Vol. 97, #5
> What I ACTUALLY wanted to know is who REALLY wrote the message! My first
> guess was that Byron did it! But I don't know what Byron would do at
> his work on Christmas-day
Uh... work? All right, all right... even *I* am not such a sucker that I
work on Christmas Day. New Year's Eve, now, is a whole other kettle of
obsessive/compulsive fish.
> and Brigitta MacBridge is in it and in Byron's world, she has
> exploded or imploded or whatever!
Nuh-uh! Brigitta has almost as much on-stage time as Scrooge in the 50th
Anniversary Scrooge story I wrote for our pocket books (currently being
drawn by Cavazzano). I would never implode her because >blush< I'm in
*love* with her. Cousin Fethry, now, is a whole other kettle of
squashed-into-primeval-goo stew.
And, Arthur added in regards to a certain Mr. Gerstein and a certain
forged mail message:
> And you DO have an email-account! So where were you on the night of
December 26th? ;-)
I can vouch for David's whereabouts on the night in question. I had
rented him out to some friends of mine in the States, and I know for a
fact he was faithfully performing his duties as an elf in their
Christmas lawn tableau (if he's confessed to forging the message, it's
only
because of his finely-honed sense of guilt). His whereabouts at the time
of
the great Disney Implosion, now, is a whole other kettle of
put-the-blame-on-some-other-poor-sucker dessert.
MIKE - THE FINNISH TREKKIE way back in Vol. 96, #288:
> As an editor, which do you prefer, written or scribbled scripts?
> I'd imagine that a scribbled one is easier to read and to 'see' the
> rhythm and the pacing of the story, but are there any good sides in
> the written ones?
A *good* scribble (see my definition back in some earlier digest) is
prefereable, but only if an artist who likes scribbles will be drawing
the story. However, the big advantage of a written script is that I can
make all kinds of surgical incisions (and downright butcher-type cuts)
without having to redraw a thing. If I got a good story as a bad
scribble, I'd probably make the writer rewrite it as a written script. A
bad story as a bad scribble, now, is a whole different kettle of
it's-only-good-for-making-paper-airplanes burnt wienie sandwich.
-- Byron "he's reaching for it, folks, because he's been using up all
his
*good* jokes trying to impress someone cuter than the members of this
list" Erickson
> What I ACTUALLY wanted to know is who REALLY wrote the message! My first
> guess was that Byron did it! But I don't know what Byron would do at
> his work on Christmas-day
Uh... work? All right, all right... even *I* am not such a sucker that I
work on Christmas Day. New Year's Eve, now, is a whole other kettle of
obsessive/compulsive fish.
> and Brigitta MacBridge is in it and in Byron's world, she has
> exploded or imploded or whatever!
Nuh-uh! Brigitta has almost as much on-stage time as Scrooge in the 50th
Anniversary Scrooge story I wrote for our pocket books (currently being
drawn by Cavazzano). I would never implode her because >blush< I'm in
*love* with her. Cousin Fethry, now, is a whole other kettle of
squashed-into-primeval-goo stew.
And, Arthur added in regards to a certain Mr. Gerstein and a certain
forged mail message:
> And you DO have an email-account! So where were you on the night of
December 26th? ;-)
I can vouch for David's whereabouts on the night in question. I had
rented him out to some friends of mine in the States, and I know for a
fact he was faithfully performing his duties as an elf in their
Christmas lawn tableau (if he's confessed to forging the message, it's
only
because of his finely-honed sense of guilt). His whereabouts at the time
of
the great Disney Implosion, now, is a whole other kettle of
put-the-blame-on-some-other-poor-sucker dessert.
MIKE - THE FINNISH TREKKIE way back in Vol. 96, #288:
> As an editor, which do you prefer, written or scribbled scripts?
> I'd imagine that a scribbled one is easier to read and to 'see' the
> rhythm and the pacing of the story, but are there any good sides in
> the written ones?
A *good* scribble (see my definition back in some earlier digest) is
prefereable, but only if an artist who likes scribbles will be drawing
the story. However, the big advantage of a written script is that I can
make all kinds of surgical incisions (and downright butcher-type cuts)
without having to redraw a thing. If I got a good story as a bad
scribble, I'd probably make the writer rewrite it as a written script. A
bad story as a bad scribble, now, is a whole different kettle of
it's-only-good-for-making-paper-airplanes burnt wienie sandwich.
-- Byron "he's reaching for it, folks, because he's been using up all
his
*good* jokes trying to impress someone cuter than the members of this
list" Erickson
Hochstetter Ulrich
Wanting PISCOU #300
Message 51 -
1997-01-10 at 12:01:24
Is it possible for any of our french members (or anyone else) to send me
a issue of this "famous" PISCOU 300?
I want to have this poster, too!
Please contact me per private e-mail...
Thanks in advance.
Bye, Uli
E-Mail: (Email removed)
>WWW: http://www.schlund.de/privat/HochstetterUli/
>
a issue of this "famous" PISCOU 300?
I want to have this poster, too!
Please contact me per private e-mail...
Thanks in advance.
Bye, Uli
E-Mail: (Email removed)
>WWW: http://www.schlund.de/privat/HochstetterUli/
>
Marco Barlotti
General Snozzie's thoughts
Message 52 -
1997-01-10 at 13:02:33
DON:
>Speaking of the "Guardians" story in PICSOU, as I flipped through I happened
>to notice one panel where General Snozzie (the Official Hound) is THINKING
>something. Putting words into an animals mind is not something I would do
>normally, if ever. Somebody at Picsou changed the balloons around to give
>the dog some mental dialogue. Please tell me what the dog is thinking on
>page 77, panel 3.
I am curious, so I checked on my copy of "Zio Paperone" (issue #83). Of
course I can't tell what page corresponds to PICSOU's page 77, but I looked
at every 3rd panel in every page and sure enough nowhere was General Snozzie
thinking words. BUT THEN MY EYE FELL on the LAST panel of page 43 (page 9
of the story). Here $crooge fell in a sort of carvern, still holding General
Nozzie's leash; and while Hewey (or Dewey or Louie) is shouting <Hold on,
unca $crooge, hold on!> General Snozzie (very reasonably, I must say, since
he is getting strangled by the leash) is thinking <Let it go! Let it go!>.
So he IS thinking words! And that seems very natural.
Don, were you referring to this panel? And are you sure this "thought" was
not in your script? Should we deduce that PICSOU is translated not from the
roiginal script but rather from the Good-Hearthed, Gentle-Natured
Translator's Italian version?
Marco
>Speaking of the "Guardians" story in PICSOU, as I flipped through I happened
>to notice one panel where General Snozzie (the Official Hound) is THINKING
>something. Putting words into an animals mind is not something I would do
>normally, if ever. Somebody at Picsou changed the balloons around to give
>the dog some mental dialogue. Please tell me what the dog is thinking on
>page 77, panel 3.
I am curious, so I checked on my copy of "Zio Paperone" (issue #83). Of
course I can't tell what page corresponds to PICSOU's page 77, but I looked
at every 3rd panel in every page and sure enough nowhere was General Snozzie
thinking words. BUT THEN MY EYE FELL on the LAST panel of page 43 (page 9
of the story). Here $crooge fell in a sort of carvern, still holding General
Nozzie's leash; and while Hewey (or Dewey or Louie) is shouting <Hold on,
unca $crooge, hold on!> General Snozzie (very reasonably, I must say, since
he is getting strangled by the leash) is thinking <Let it go! Let it go!>.
So he IS thinking words! And that seems very natural.
Don, were you referring to this panel? And are you sure this "thought" was
not in your script? Should we deduce that PICSOU is translated not from the
roiginal script but rather from the Good-Hearthed, Gentle-Natured
Translator's Italian version?
Marco
Marco Barlotti
Egyptian Disney comics
Message 53 -
1997-01-10 at 13:02:36
>
>Do those Arabic Disney books still look like they were coloured by a
>three-year-old?
>
Not at all. The SMALL, thick one is completely black-and-white. The bigger
one has some pages in b/w and some coloured one, but the colours are
<normal> (not particularly good, but not particularly bad either).
Marco
>Do those Arabic Disney books still look like they were coloured by a
>three-year-old?
>
Not at all. The SMALL, thick one is completely black-and-white. The bigger
one has some pages in b/w and some coloured one, but the colours are
<normal> (not particularly good, but not particularly bad either).
Marco
Marco Barlotti
Calisota is in the U, S & A!
Message 54 -
1997-01-10 at 13:02:38
DIDIER:
>
>And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
>Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
>characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
>What would you feel now ?
>
I must say this is a VERY good idea. In Italy we (almost) never had the idea
that Disney characters were living in Italy; on $crooge's bin we have ALWAYS
seen the <$> sign. When we were kids, I guess this just added a little
exoticism to the stories.
I remember, e. g., a very good story by Martina and Bottaro dating back to
1956 where $crooge, Donald and HDL come to visit Italy and have lots of
adventures here. There it was made VERY clear that they started from America!
That Disney characters lived in America (or even in the U, S & A) was VERY
natural for all of us kids.
Of course it's different to change a habit once you had it for so many
years. I wonder what Italians would think if suddenly <Topolino> was called
<Michelino> or even <Mickey> as in France...
Marco
>
>And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
>Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
>characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
>What would you feel now ?
>
I must say this is a VERY good idea. In Italy we (almost) never had the idea
that Disney characters were living in Italy; on $crooge's bin we have ALWAYS
seen the <$> sign. When we were kids, I guess this just added a little
exoticism to the stories.
I remember, e. g., a very good story by Martina and Bottaro dating back to
1956 where $crooge, Donald and HDL come to visit Italy and have lots of
adventures here. There it was made VERY clear that they started from America!
That Disney characters lived in America (or even in the U, S & A) was VERY
natural for all of us kids.
Of course it's different to change a habit once you had it for so many
years. I wonder what Italians would think if suddenly <Topolino> was called
<Michelino> or even <Mickey> as in France...
Marco
Didier Ghez
Thinking dog in Picsou 300
Message 55 -
1997-01-10 at 13:25:01
Hi,
I talked with Pascal this morning about the thinking dog that appears in
GoTLL in Picsou 300. Apparently this "mistake" was due to the translator.
However, Pascal is still not sure about what happened, why it happened and
what on earth the dog meant by what he is thinking.
I will keep you posted.
Didier
I talked with Pascal this morning about the thinking dog that appears in
GoTLL in Picsou 300. Apparently this "mistake" was due to the translator.
However, Pascal is still not sure about what happened, why it happened and
what on earth the dog meant by what he is thinking.
I will keep you posted.
Didier
Kriton Kyrimis
Picsou 300 and translation problems
Message 56 -
1997-01-10 at 15:42:24
DIDIER:
> And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
> Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
> characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
> What would you feel now ?
In Greece, Disney comics started being published on a regular basis in
1966, when I was only 6 years old. Most main characters had their American
names (including "Duck" and "Mouse" as last names), with only a few getting
Greek names (the Phantom Blot and the Beagle Boys being the most notable
characters to have their names translated, probably because these names
are descriptive), the currency used everywhere was dollars and cents, and
the sign on Scrooge's money bin was a big "$".
This didn't bother me at all. In fact, having the stories take place in
the US made them more believable. (There are few 3-cubic-acre money bins
in Greece, e.g.!) Not only this, but, when at some point they started
translating the word "cent" using the Greek word "dekara" (a coin that
has not been in circulation for more than 20 years, equivalent to 0.10
drachma) I found it (and still do) particularly annoying.
On the other hand, I find chainging a character's familiar name to something
new particularly annoying. It still bothers me that they changed Gus
Goose's name very early on in the game, I can barely accept their adding
a last name to Gyro (Gearloose) (which, never the less, is the correct thing
to do, as the new name is a loose translation of the original), and I will
never accept the new, sillier, name that was given to the Beagle Boys.
I guess that what I'm trying to say above is that new readers will have
no problem with whatever names are used, and might even prefer to see the
original names. Older readers, however, will insist on seeing the names
with which they grew up. I'm probably stating the obvious...
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"...the only time in history the Vulcan peace sign had been used to scratch an
itch."
-----
> And here is my question to you all: Do you think this is a good idea ?
> Don't you think this would spoil the feeling that readers have that the
> characters are part of their country ? What would you have felt as a kid ?
> What would you feel now ?
In Greece, Disney comics started being published on a regular basis in
1966, when I was only 6 years old. Most main characters had their American
names (including "Duck" and "Mouse" as last names), with only a few getting
Greek names (the Phantom Blot and the Beagle Boys being the most notable
characters to have their names translated, probably because these names
are descriptive), the currency used everywhere was dollars and cents, and
the sign on Scrooge's money bin was a big "$".
This didn't bother me at all. In fact, having the stories take place in
the US made them more believable. (There are few 3-cubic-acre money bins
in Greece, e.g.!) Not only this, but, when at some point they started
translating the word "cent" using the Greek word "dekara" (a coin that
has not been in circulation for more than 20 years, equivalent to 0.10
drachma) I found it (and still do) particularly annoying.
On the other hand, I find chainging a character's familiar name to something
new particularly annoying. It still bothers me that they changed Gus
Goose's name very early on in the game, I can barely accept their adding
a last name to Gyro (Gearloose) (which, never the less, is the correct thing
to do, as the new name is a loose translation of the original), and I will
never accept the new, sillier, name that was given to the Beagle Boys.
I guess that what I'm trying to say above is that new readers will have
no problem with whatever names are used, and might even prefer to see the
original names. Older readers, however, will insist on seeing the names
with which they grew up. I'm probably stating the obvious...
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"...the only time in history the Vulcan peace sign had been used to scratch an
itch."
-----
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #6
Message 57 -
1997-01-10 at 16:32:32
MICHAEL P.:
Yes, that talking $crooge bank is just about the nicest single $crooge item
ever made, and it don't cost no $5000. What's so great about it is that it
marks the end to all the MICKEY'S XMAS CAROL and DUCKTALES and UNCLE $CROOGE
AND MONEY related junk that's come out in the past 10 years, all of which
show counterfeit, Disney Studio $crooges. This bank is a pure comic-book
Barks $crooge -- the real McCoy. The only $crooge item that it still can't
top is that 1960 rubber bank with $crooge sitting on top of a safe and the
Nephews gathered around. That piece can never be topped simply because it
was produced by DELL COMICS who created $crooge! No mere toy licensee nor
even Disney itself can produce an item more authentic than one made by the
very company that created $crooge McDuck!
My only gripe is that Alan Young voice coming out of the bank. It's far too
high-pitched and happy and sing-songy for my idea of $crooge McDuck's voice.
But he still says no less than 12 phrases! A great item!
LAURENT:
Why on earth do you suppose the French editors would go to the trouble to
redraw the word balloons so that Gen. Snozzie can make such a senseless
remark as "they should let $crooge do that". What di it mean... that $crooge
should be the one to find the missing books? Did the editors think the
readers had forgotten in the last 2 panels that that's what $crooge was
there to do? And the dog is falling over at that moment so that what he is
thinking will seem to have something to do with his falling over. How odd.
SURE I care about how the stories are translated since the readers will
naturally think that *I* wrote it however it gets translated. And this might
be a good spot to warn you Americans about what you'll see (or won't see)
when Gladstone soon prints my "Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" which the rest
of the planet has already seen as I wrote and drew it:
Disney has refused to allow "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" to appear in
the United States without several dozen panels being deleted, totalling 2 to
3 pages of the story. These panels deal with A) a flea on a Beagle Boy. B) a
prune in a Beagle Boys pocket. C) a Beagle Boy sneezing. D) a Beagle Boy
scratching his head because of the afore-mentioned flea. The new politically
incorrect concept that readers will no longer be allowed to see referred to
in a Disney comic book is:
*personal hygiene*.
An Indian scratching his head is *absolutely* out. Don't even THINK about it.
SHAUN & DAVID:
Yes, good call, I did have Gen.Snozzie thinking "Let go" in GotLL. And I
seem to recall that I had Hortense the Horse thinking "I Quit" in part 4 of
the "Lo$". I guess I considered these to be translations of basic abstract
ideas that these animals were thinking, like a dog getting kicked might be
thinking "Ouch. Stop." But I don't think I'd ever put phrases and names in a
dog's head like "they should leave that to $crooge".
Yes, that talking $crooge bank is just about the nicest single $crooge item
ever made, and it don't cost no $5000. What's so great about it is that it
marks the end to all the MICKEY'S XMAS CAROL and DUCKTALES and UNCLE $CROOGE
AND MONEY related junk that's come out in the past 10 years, all of which
show counterfeit, Disney Studio $crooges. This bank is a pure comic-book
Barks $crooge -- the real McCoy. The only $crooge item that it still can't
top is that 1960 rubber bank with $crooge sitting on top of a safe and the
Nephews gathered around. That piece can never be topped simply because it
was produced by DELL COMICS who created $crooge! No mere toy licensee nor
even Disney itself can produce an item more authentic than one made by the
very company that created $crooge McDuck!
My only gripe is that Alan Young voice coming out of the bank. It's far too
high-pitched and happy and sing-songy for my idea of $crooge McDuck's voice.
But he still says no less than 12 phrases! A great item!
LAURENT:
Why on earth do you suppose the French editors would go to the trouble to
redraw the word balloons so that Gen. Snozzie can make such a senseless
remark as "they should let $crooge do that". What di it mean... that $crooge
should be the one to find the missing books? Did the editors think the
readers had forgotten in the last 2 panels that that's what $crooge was
there to do? And the dog is falling over at that moment so that what he is
thinking will seem to have something to do with his falling over. How odd.
SURE I care about how the stories are translated since the readers will
naturally think that *I* wrote it however it gets translated. And this might
be a good spot to warn you Americans about what you'll see (or won't see)
when Gladstone soon prints my "Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" which the rest
of the planet has already seen as I wrote and drew it:
Disney has refused to allow "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" to appear in
the United States without several dozen panels being deleted, totalling 2 to
3 pages of the story. These panels deal with A) a flea on a Beagle Boy. B) a
prune in a Beagle Boys pocket. C) a Beagle Boy sneezing. D) a Beagle Boy
scratching his head because of the afore-mentioned flea. The new politically
incorrect concept that readers will no longer be allowed to see referred to
in a Disney comic book is:
*personal hygiene*.
An Indian scratching his head is *absolutely* out. Don't even THINK about it.
SHAUN & DAVID:
Yes, good call, I did have Gen.Snozzie thinking "Let go" in GotLL. And I
seem to recall that I had Hortense the Horse thinking "I Quit" in part 4 of
the "Lo$". I guess I considered these to be translations of basic abstract
ideas that these animals were thinking, like a dog getting kicked might be
thinking "Ouch. Stop." But I don't think I'd ever put phrases and names in a
dog's head like "they should leave that to $crooge".
Marco Barlotti
Eiprahs
Message 58 -
1997-01-10 at 17:54:31
DWIGHT:
>
>Did other-language-than-English editions use the local version
>of "harpy," by the way?
>
Yes, in Italy it was always <arpie> since the first appearance of the story
in "Topolino" 136 (April 10th, 1956)
Marco
>
>Did other-language-than-English editions use the local version
>of "harpy," by the way?
>
Yes, in Italy it was always <arpie> since the first appearance of the story
in "Topolino" 136 (April 10th, 1956)
Marco
Per Starback
Beautiful Jack Hannah
Message 59 -
1997-01-10 at 18:33:05
The Internet Movie Database <http://www.imdb.com> mentions that
("our") Jack Hannah was chosen by the magazine as one of the 50 most
beautiful people in the world in 1996. Is that really true, or has
someone confused him with some other Jack Hannah?
("our") Jack Hannah was chosen by the magazine as one of the 50 most
beautiful people in the world in 1996. Is that really true, or has
someone confused him with some other Jack Hannah?
Per Starback
Beautiful Jack Hannah
Message 60 -
1997-01-10 at 18:53:20
I wrote:
> (...) by the magazine as one (...)
That should have been "by the magazine _People_ as one"...
> (...) by the magazine as one (...)
That should have been "by the magazine _People_ as one"...