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Whoops...I forgot to mention this a while ago...
I too am wanting an issue of PISCOU #300! Anyone who's willing to go to
the trouble of sending me one can also contact me through e-mail

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Thanks a billion!

-Shaun

DON:
"I seem to recall that I had Hortense the Horse thinking "I Quit"
in part 4 of the LO$."
Yep, you did. Which reminds me that Hortense leaves Scrooge
seemingly for good at that point. So... how does she get back with him for
"The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff" some years later? Oops!

Yours apologetically,
David Gerstein

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Gosh! When I subscribed in May 1995 (after years of reading diskettes
and prints which Harry sent me) I contributed almost daily. Later it
became contributing weekly and now it seems like I'm only contributing
monthly. Something needs to be done here! ;-)

DON ROSA, 16-12-1996:

> When I said I'd like to "kill off a nephew", I of course didn't mean
> I'd like to actually do that in the existing "universe". I just wish
> they (whoever it was) hadn't originally chosen the idea of three nephews
> instead of just two. Y'need a second nephew to give the first one
> someone to speak his thoughts aloud to, as well as a partner / helper /
> etc. ... but that third nephew really contributes nothing more than
> extra art chores.

I think that a third nephew *does* contribute, since he makes the nephews
a lot more lively. He gives them a lot more atmosphere, especially when
they're playing, doing homework for the Junior Woodchucks and/or
theorizing about something.

To give an example, a Gyro Gearloose-story would very well be possible
without the Little Helper, since that little lightbulb mostly doesn't do
a lot more than running around (mostly even Gyro doesn't seem to notice
him), but somehow it adds a lot to the story. This is how I think of the
third nephew, there could very well be two, but the third one just adds
that extra liveliness that makes the nephews so interesting and so funny.

> On the other hand... you say you don't think it would be funny to have
> a scene where there are two nephews running about in confusion and
> colliding with each other... but it IS funny to have two nephews
> colliding with each other if there's a third nephew running away?
> Hm. The subtlety escapes me.

I was referring to a Barks-panel here, but I can't remember which story it
is from. Again, in this scene the third nephew just adds that little more
(in this case it's chaos) to make that scene so striking (right word?).

> As for the "pie-cut eyes", that's an old technique that I am gradually
> weening myself from simply by preference. I personally think the
> nephews' eyes are too small to fit those odd pie-cuts into, so I opt for
> the round gleam instead. I also eliminated the pie-cuts in DD's and U$'s
> eyes at any time except when they are looking directly right or left...
> and that may also change as well as time goes on.

Really? I hope that you will leave the pie-cut eyes into your stories,
since that's how I've always been liking the Ducks the most. Why not just
leaving out any twinkle when the eyes are too small and only use the pie-
cut eyes when the eyes are showed big enough to include them? I'd rather
see the nephews without any twinkle than with that little round one (but
that's of course a matter of taste).

RICH MORRISSON, 16-12-1996:

> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:

> [Junior Woodchucks-story "Be Leery of Lake Eerie"] At the risk of
> belaboring the obvious (at least to Americans), this story was inspired
> by the real-life Lake Erie (one of the five "Great Lakes" between Canada
> and the American Midwest), which at the time the story first appeared
> had recently made the news for its excessive pollution.

Thanks a lot for this information. I'm planning to work on a web-page
dedicated to the works of Carl Barks which will compile lots of facts.
Among other things it will have a section on lost art and censored art,
but there will also be a section with background-information: What was the
reason/inspiration for Barks to do a certain story? So, the information
you gave here is exactly what I need. Thanks!

BTW. The reason why I want to make this Barks-page is that there is many
information circulating on his stories (books, magazines, this mailing
list), but there's still no place where this information comes together.
I want my web-page to be that place.

There will also be a section with scans of some art that is censored in
the CBL, but a problem with that is the space I will be allowed to use.
(Another thing is that I don't have scanner, but I'm trying to get people
voluntering in making them for me.)

Another thing I'm planning to include is a section on Don Rosa's work.
I want this section to be the place where all the information on editorial
changes in Rosa-stories comes together. If there's someone who already
does have a list of such changes, I'd be very thankfull if he/she wants to
send it to me.

"OTA", 16 Dec 1996:

> Gary, to publish or reprint a story an editor needs the films (positive
> or negative) or a B&W source to make new films. That B&W source can be
> the original art or a proof done from the original plates. Western did
> several sets of proofs for send to the foreign publishers. All
> publishers did it. [etc.]

Thanks a lot for all the interesting information! (It was me whom you
were replying to, not Gary).

JYRKI VAINIO, 16-12-1996:

> About 200 of Barks's original pages are known to exist still. A Finn
> called Matti Eronen has made a book about this, titled "Carl Barks'
> Surviving Comic Book Art". It was still available for exanple from Bud
> Plant's latest catalog for $24.95. The book examines in detail the
> existing pages and also includes a brief Carl Barks biography and
> bibliography.

Interesting! Is the book also useful for people who can't read Finnish?
Is it much work to tell exactly which art has survived (in case you have
the book yourself)? Are there interesting reprints of art in this book?

DWIGHT DECKER, 10-01-1997:

About restoring "The Golden Fleecing" to it's original state:

> If the original panels of insane "larkies" can be put back in, so can
> the original name of "harpies."

An article by Kim Weston (published in Funnyworld, 1975) mentions that
Barks had said that in addition to changing the names he had to redraw a
page or two. Those panels you mention could be a part of these deleted
two pages, although I really have no idea what other art is redrawn in
the story.

Has Barks ever been more clearly about this in an interview? Or could
it be that he gave wrong information about this (meaning 'relettering'
with 'redrawing' for example).

I don't know if it's common knowlegde, but at the end of the story
there is a panel deleted to make place for the "Dell Pledge to Parents".
According to Kim Weston this panel was deleted from the bottom of page
31, so all the panels of the original page 32 are moved one place up.

What I want to say with all this information is that this story can't be
restored with simply renaming the Larkies into Harpies. If Barks is right
about those two pages, "The Golden Fleecing" will never see the light of
day in it's original form... the renaming of the Harpies is sadly enough
only a detail then.

Greetings,

--- Daniel

"Hooray! I'm cured! My mind doesn't hurt anymore!"

The Mad Musician, OG 11 --- Carl Barks

On Jan 12, 10:45pm, Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:

> About restoring "The Golden Fleecing" to it's original state:
>
> > If the original panels of insane "larkies" can be put back in, so
can
> > the original name of "harpies."
>
> An article by Kim Weston (published in Funnyworld, 1975) mentions
that
> Barks had said that in addition to changing the names he had to
redraw a
> page or two. Those panels you mention could be a part of these
deleted
> two pages, although I really have no idea what other art is redrawn
in
> the story.
>
> Has Barks ever been more clearly about this in an interview? Or could
> it be that he gave wrong information about this (meaning
'relettering'
> with 'redrawing' for example).

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean about "wrong information."
It's a matter of record that "larkies" were changed to "harpies" and
some panels were redrawn. I don't know what could be clearer.
>
> I don't know if it's common knowlegde, but at the end of the story
> there is a panel deleted to make place for the "Dell Pledge to
Parents".
> According to Kim Weston this panel was deleted from the bottom of
page
> 31, so all the panels of the original page 32 are moved one place up.
>
> What I want to say with all this information is that this story can't
be
> restored with simply renaming the Larkies into Harpies. If Barks is
right
> about those two pages, "The Golden Fleecing" will never see the light
of
> day in it's original form... the renaming of the Harpies is sadly
enough
> only a detail then.

Yes, but the current version of the story that Gladstone has
reprinted has some of the original panels put back into the
story. It has _already_ been changed from the first Dell
printing in order to restore Barks's original intent. I'm
just saying Gladstone might as well go the rest of the way
and change "larkies" to "harpies."

Would somebody at Gladstone _puh-leeze_ issue a ruling on
this one way or the other (either, "That's an excellent idea,
we'll make a note of it for the next printing" or "Sorry,
but no can do for various reasons"), just so I can drop a
subject that's rapidly getting tedious? That comparison with
Shakespeare and Falstaff/Oldcastle Rich M. made kind of stunned
me, though I'd tend to think that 40 years of a stupid name change
is quite enough and I'd hate to see it endure for 400 and _really_
be stuck with it.

--Dwight Decker

Dear DON:

I don't know if you received my previous question, but I'm going to ask
it again, if you don't mind. Recently, I've been going through some Jack
Benny tapes, and I've been struck by the same "miser" routine as Uncle
Scrooge. Have you ever thought of having the two "meet" ala Scrooge and
Theodore Roosevelt? Just think of it --the two greatest "misers" of
their time. Maybe you could reveal that Scrooge gave the young radio,
musician, violist some lessons on saving money.

James Smith III
Williston ND 58801

Don Rosa:
I must say that I was shocked at your treatment. Complaints made to Roy
Disney!
Allegiations of drinking problems and suggestions of promotion of
prostitution in your Disney comics???
I'm tempted to quote what Lincoln said about Grant's drinking problem.
I don't understand this at all. At the risk of sounding like a suck-up,
You're certainly in the top level of Disney comics creators.

Dwight: Don't hold your breath waiting for harpies, if Don gets in trouble
for his stories. I'm surprised that Disney hasn't banned the story already.

I also assume that you know that I'm teasing you here a bit.

I think that as a kid, I felt that Donald lived in California (must because
he lived near Disneyland and appeared on Unca Walt's show). I read plenty
of Tintin, and don't recall where he was from (I probably thought the USA.,
but then Belgium or London were no more foreign than New York or Los Angeles
to me). Of course, I allways felt that Gotham City and Metropolis were New
York city (and despite Rich M. I still do).
And as a kid, I had no problem that Scamp, Mad Madam Mim, Captain Hook,
Sleeping Beauty, chip and Dale, Donald Duck, and Gus and Jaq all lived in the
same "universe" (of course I didn't care for these team-ups either). I was
able to shrug and say :it's just a story" .

Steven Rowe

DON
Ooops, you're right, I did get that comment about $crooge's accent from Per's
pages on you. Actually, this makes me feel a little better about the whole
situation, since Barks (as $haun pointed out) stated more than once that
$crooge had an accent. Funny, I never imagined $crooge WITHOUT an accent. I
guess this is a little unfair, since I encountered both "Mickey's Xmas Carol"
and "Ducktales" before I even started reading Duck comics. To this day
whenever I read $crooge stories I *always* hear Alan Young's voice (yup, even
in YOUR stories). I think this is true for a lot of us younger readers (yeah,
all three of us) who encountered $crooge in animation before we saw his true
version. It's almost like seeing a movie before you read the book it was based
on. You already have the images of the characters planted firmly in your
heads. I wish it was another way though, because Alan Young's voice, in light
of everyone's comments, simply does not cut it.
Looking back at Lo$, I've also noticed that Hortense and Matilda lose much of
their accents once they arrive in America. I've often wondered what Hortense
sounds like. Perhaps like Clarence Nash in a Scots Brogue!

RICH
Your Harpy/Larky comments were very persuasive, but I don't think the use of
the Nomes from the Oz books works. The Harpies and the Larkies are identical
creatures. They are both half woman/half bird beings that plague peole. The
only thing that is different are their names. However, the traditonal Gnome
and Baum's nome are COMPLETELY different creatures. The "Gnomes" are
diminutive magical creatures that seem to be used interchangeably with Dwarfs
and Elfs in old fairy tales. Baums Nomes are Hard working, evil, Santa Claus
resembling rotund men. There are no similar charcteristics between the groups,
or at least, none so greatly as the similarity between the Harpies/Larkies. To
add something else, when Ruth Plumly Thompson took over the Oz books after
Baum's death, one of her novels was titled "The Gnome King of Oz"(that's right,
Gnome with a "G"). So I would say that Larkie should be changed back to
Harpie. Actually, in a "Ducktales" adaptation of the story, the nird women who
pesterd $crooge were indeed called Harpies. If they can change it.........
Oh, and about George Lucas, there's more to him and Barks than you know. Lucas
wrote the intro ("An Apprecaition") to the Uncle $crooge celestial art book,
claiming that the old Duck had given him lots of entertainment and inspiration.
I often wonder if the real BARKS $crooge could be brought to the silver screen
and if Lucas could be the man to do it.

$HAUN
Actually, I DO remember Gyro's helper in "Ducktales", which is kind of a
miracle since I haven't seen the show in years. There was an episode where
Gyro invents a machine that will transport things by shooting it with a laser
gun and then making it reappear in another place. The BEagle Boys get a hold
of it and manage to transport ALL of $crooge's money to their hideout. Do you
remember it? The helper is clearly in it. In fact, I vividly remember one
scen where the BBs tie the Helper up with iny ropes when they steal the
machine. This is also the first time Gyro gives his Helper a name (Li' Bulb).

On a recent trip Down Under my mother acquired a little book
called "Mickey Mouse 1997 Diary" which I got for christmas. :)
The prices given are only for Australia and NZ and the publisher
is unknown, though Disney is (c)opyrighted clearly enough, so I
doubt it is bootleg. In it are, except for the predictable dates,
some articles about the early Disney work as well as sketches and
frames from some of them, notably many from "Thru the Mirror"
(the Fred Astaire sequence). Especially interesting are the many
posters from the cartoons, from "Alice in the Jungle" (a 'pre-
Disney' Disney semi-animated series), over "Touchdown Mickey",
"Mickey's Nightmare", "Mickey in Arabia", "The Klondike Kid", and
"Ye Olden Days", to "The Moose Hunt". Quite a fine little book,
which our Australian list members may be able to find for
who-ever's interested.
(Because you're not getting mine, David... :-)

And since no-one else has mentioned it, "Der Donaldist" #98
came out over christmas with among other things a transcript of
Don Rosa's, Freddy Milton's and Ulrich Schroeder's appearance at
Erlangen in June last year. Along with Jan Gulbransson they also
did the cover: _four_ nephews in a parody of the Beatles' "Help".
Very funny, and most interesting to compare in style.
Ulrich has a very attractive line indeed.
Also inside, three of Don's fan drawings made while he was in
Germany and a reprint of his first(?) Disney duck, from "The Comics
Journal" #43 (1987). On the same page is his non-Disney duck cover
for issue #183, and the development in technique shows.
There's as usual a lot more in "Der Donaldist", but it's all in
German, so I'll refrain from commenting.

Questions for Swedes and Italians:
How does the new 64 page Swedish Kalle Anka look? Are there more
stories or has the increase been filled with editorial stuff?

And from what title does a story with the code I D-CC/95-006 come?

- Ole 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen <(Email removed)>