Don Rosa agrees 100% with Eta Beta and 100% with me. And I just about agree
100% with Don. Boy, is this group TOO friendly to be true, or what?
Anyway... most of us are getting tired of Lydia by now, but still... I've
been thinking about Don's suggestion:
>I would have used the original Groucho Marx lyrics, translated
>into Swedish, but used the name as "Lydien" (or whatever it is in Swedish).
>This way the older/smarter readers who know of the famous tune will get a
>kick out of seeing it, and even an extra laugh at how Donald misunderstood
>the name. Meanwhile the kiddies would never know or be bothered by what they
>were missing, but still be treated to funny lyrics.
Hm... I hope I'm not saying this just because we've been making peace and
all, but that might actually be a possibility. Like I said before, it never
occurred to me while I did the job... and I still think I'd rather prefer
another solution, and I'm still reasonably happy with the one I ended up
picking... but yes, it *is* a possibility. I dismissed it too soon (and too
categorically) in our previous discussion.
The next topic is sadder, and I wouldn't want to pursue it much longer,
either... but... sigh...
>The whole point of the story was to commemorate
>Taliaferro/Osbourne's creation of these characters. It's inconceivable that
>the editor would not be told this.
I'm sorry... but surely you mean to say, "It *ought to be* inconceivable"...
> I know the editors of the Disney comics
>are sometimes not hired because of any particular knowledge or interest they
>have in the material, but they should still know what's going on in their
>own special editions and commemorative stories, eh?
Oh, we should all wish... sigh...
>The sort of "sabotage" that used to bother me the most (but which I'm told
>happens more and more rarely nowadays) is the taking of well-researched,
>highly authentic names and facts, and changing it to childish gibberish
>cutesy-funny names.
This is one of those principles with which I agree 100%, even if it may seem
to contradict some of the things I've said before. I don't think it does,
unless you would want to put the tag of "tradition" on the sort of thing
that Bror (or would you rather go by your nic, Steamboat Willie?)
described.... changing maps, removing all authentic names to make sure that
nobody might believe that Donald Duck might live in something that resembled
a real world. That went on in Sweden for some time around 1980... I believe
someone declared it a general rule. If that's a tradition, then the
tradition should burn! What a thing to say for someone like me... but it's a
clear-cut case.
I think most of this was already gone when I started out on "Kalle Anka" in
the early/mid-80's, but there were still people at the office who remembered
that rule, and would want to use all funny-names. Well, I declared my
opinion in no uncertain terms, and the "tradition" slowly disappeared. Good
thing, too, or I wouldn't have wanted to be there at all.
Now, don't get me wrong the other way... I still think that funny-names are
needed in many of the stories. When I was a kid, I got a kick out of obvious
make-believe names like Howduyustan, or whatever. But when something is
real, it's real. I got an even bigger kick when I grew older and found Yukon
and Yucatan on actual maps.
So, the biggest thrill of all is reading the magazine, perhaps when you're
very young, finding it full of exciting stories and adventures that you
enjoy... and never really knowing what is real and what is fantasy. That's
much of the core of Disney comics to me. I'm sure that some would like the
weekly Duck magazine to be all Don Rosa, if it were possible... but to be
honest, with all respect, and with my love and admiration for Don's stories
completely unaffected... I wouldn't want that. We need the diversification.
And we need the balance between facts and fiction.
Finally:
>But fear not -- I did NOT draw a
>footnote box into the panel... I simply left a blank spot at the top. This
>way, even if the publisher still whites out my lettering and type-sets
>Swedish (or whatever) onto the stone (as I expect will be the case), there
>will be no empty caption box hovering in the panel.
Sounds fine, and again it will look like I'm still making peace... but
really, that kind of footnote wouldn't be impossible. We have them when
explaining Woodchuck abbreviations, translating eagle and frog talk, and all
that. It could be used to explain a foreign text that has to be in the
panel. What I don't like is using footnotes to explain the technical
reasoning behind a certain translation (or lack of one), and such stuff.
That's used in novels, not in comics. Which is not to say that comics are on
a lower cultural rung than novels... but they are different. (You know,
like, with pictures.)
I'm looking forward to seeing how this story, with rock-carving and all,
will come out!
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Author
Topic: 199809
(311 messages)
Stefan Diös
Disney comics Digest V98 #227
Message 151 -
1998-09-15 at 01:11:15
Theresa Wiegert
The swedish book-fair in Gothenburg and hello
Message 152 -
1998-09-15 at 01:11:28
Hi!
I've been reading this mailing-list for quite a while now - it's a really
interesting and nice one!!!
So I thought it would be nice to make myself known, even though I don't
really have anything comic-ish to contribute this time...
I'm a 22-year old swedish student, and I've read Donald Duck for as long
as I can remember. My favourite duck is Magica. Or, rather, Magica and
$crooge together in a story - that's an unbeatable concept.
I live in Gothenburg, so I was really looking forward to a certain day of
the gothenburg Book-fair in the end of october, when a not so unknown mr
Rosa will be interviewed (I think) by someone. Then I realized that that
particular week is the exam-week, and Murphy had (of course) placed an
exam at the exact time of that occasion. Moooooooaaaaaan!!!! well well.
I don't suppose you will be there another day than that particular friday,
Don?
/Theresa
\)
('> -------------------------------------------------------
/ ) Theresa Wiegert Gibraltargatan 94 - P4
/ / (Email removed) 412 79 Göteborg
//" http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~f95thwi
/ -------------------------------------------------------
I've been reading this mailing-list for quite a while now - it's a really
interesting and nice one!!!
So I thought it would be nice to make myself known, even though I don't
really have anything comic-ish to contribute this time...
I'm a 22-year old swedish student, and I've read Donald Duck for as long
as I can remember. My favourite duck is Magica. Or, rather, Magica and
$crooge together in a story - that's an unbeatable concept.
I live in Gothenburg, so I was really looking forward to a certain day of
the gothenburg Book-fair in the end of october, when a not so unknown mr
Rosa will be interviewed (I think) by someone. Then I realized that that
particular week is the exam-week, and Murphy had (of course) placed an
exam at the exact time of that occasion. Moooooooaaaaaan!!!! well well.
I don't suppose you will be there another day than that particular friday,
Don?
/Theresa
\)
('> -------------------------------------------------------
/ ) Theresa Wiegert Gibraltargatan 94 - P4
/ / (Email removed) 412 79 Göteborg
//" http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~f95thwi
/ -------------------------------------------------------
Katie Sullivan
Hello
Message 153 -
1998-09-15 at 07:03:04
Hello, everyone! I'm sorry I haven't been contributing to the ML for
awhile. Since I started classes at the university, life has been quite
busy, and my computer time has been limited. :-(
On the other hand, college is going well. Interesting classes and a
beautiful campus.
Now then, back on topic...
All Carl Barks and Don Rosa fans will be interested to know something I
read in a book last weekend. I read a book about the European
exploration of the Americas. Among the duck-related items were:
1. The Seven Cities of Cibola legend, and how all the Spaniards found
was adobe huts. (Barks' story)
2. Sir Francis Drake raiding and sailing up the West Coast of the
America, eventually landing somewhere in northern California or Oregon
(i.e. Calisota) and leaving a marker. (Don Rosa's "His Majesty McDuck")
3. The El Dorado legend (Barks and Rosa)
4. The fall of the Incas and the ransom of Atahualpa (Don Rosa's "Son
of the Sun")
5. Other things which I've forgotten now. It was a very interesting
book, especially from the perspective of a Duck fan! :-)
Well, I have to go to bed now, and slip back into lurk mode. Best
wishes, everyone!
Quackcerely,
Katie Q
--
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
~~~~Planet Sullivan http://travel.to/planetsullivan ~~~~
~~~With Redwall, Disney ducks, humor and more!~~~
"The more things change, the more they stay insane."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
awhile. Since I started classes at the university, life has been quite
busy, and my computer time has been limited. :-(
On the other hand, college is going well. Interesting classes and a
beautiful campus.
Now then, back on topic...
All Carl Barks and Don Rosa fans will be interested to know something I
read in a book last weekend. I read a book about the European
exploration of the Americas. Among the duck-related items were:
1. The Seven Cities of Cibola legend, and how all the Spaniards found
was adobe huts. (Barks' story)
2. Sir Francis Drake raiding and sailing up the West Coast of the
America, eventually landing somewhere in northern California or Oregon
(i.e. Calisota) and leaving a marker. (Don Rosa's "His Majesty McDuck")
3. The El Dorado legend (Barks and Rosa)
4. The fall of the Incas and the ransom of Atahualpa (Don Rosa's "Son
of the Sun")
5. Other things which I've forgotten now. It was a very interesting
book, especially from the perspective of a Duck fan! :-)
Well, I have to go to bed now, and slip back into lurk mode. Best
wishes, everyone!
Quackcerely,
Katie Q
--
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
~~~~Planet Sullivan http://travel.to/planetsullivan ~~~~
~~~With Redwall, Disney ducks, humor and more!~~~
"The more things change, the more they stay insane."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bror Hellman
Berglund? + Names, axe-murderings + Stefan and Eta
Message 154 -
1998-09-15 at 09:43:31
> Anders:
>
> >> We all know about the "very common Berglund"
>
> > Sorry, as a "new" meber (july) I don't! please enlighten me!
>
> Well.. Anders Berglund or "the Uncle of Swedish Donaldism".
(Or was it Granddad?)
> Once popped up in a Goofy-story. Goofy had apparently authored
> a book that was so booring that everyone fell asleep when he read
> it out loud. The title (in swedish) was "The very common Berglund".
> ("Den alldeles vanlige Berglund").
>
The translator? Well.. Stefan, do you know translated that story? :-D
> > About the axe-murdering of the Gilded Man, they did that in DK too,
> luckily
> > I have the whole story in a Goldbook, but in that book they still
> call the
> > country Courovia (instead of Bocombia) and I could give you lots of
> examples... I
> > have about 30 stamps on a danish disney worldmap, which shows
> kiddy-names (e.g.
> > Latinia=Italiy)
>
> Yeah... And the Gilded man is one of my favourites. I've studied that
> comic inside and out.
> Every stamp mentioned in that comic can be found in a stamp
> catalogue.. To that particular price.
>
> The country (in the original) is the former British Guiana, and the
> stamp that Donald and
> the nephews are hunting for are stil considered to be one fo the
> rarest, and indeed
> the most valuable stamp in the world even today...
>
> (There are several other stamps known to exist only in one copy
> each... and some stamps even rarer... :-)
>
> > Stefan and Eta
> > Your discussion: I read it and thought you were unfriendly (flamewar
> as Don
> > said), but when my brain, told me to think it was for fun, I, hope
> not to insult you
> > both!, laughed.
>
>
> Well, *I* don't blame you. Maybe more laughs in this world would lead
> to fewer conflicts... :-)
>
>
>
> Steamboat Willie
>
>
> >> We all know about the "very common Berglund"
>
> > Sorry, as a "new" meber (july) I don't! please enlighten me!
>
> Well.. Anders Berglund or "the Uncle of Swedish Donaldism".
(Or was it Granddad?)
> Once popped up in a Goofy-story. Goofy had apparently authored
> a book that was so booring that everyone fell asleep when he read
> it out loud. The title (in swedish) was "The very common Berglund".
> ("Den alldeles vanlige Berglund").
>
The translator? Well.. Stefan, do you know translated that story? :-D
> > About the axe-murdering of the Gilded Man, they did that in DK too,
> luckily
> > I have the whole story in a Goldbook, but in that book they still
> call the
> > country Courovia (instead of Bocombia) and I could give you lots of
> examples... I
> > have about 30 stamps on a danish disney worldmap, which shows
> kiddy-names (e.g.
> > Latinia=Italiy)
>
> Yeah... And the Gilded man is one of my favourites. I've studied that
> comic inside and out.
> Every stamp mentioned in that comic can be found in a stamp
> catalogue.. To that particular price.
>
> The country (in the original) is the former British Guiana, and the
> stamp that Donald and
> the nephews are hunting for are stil considered to be one fo the
> rarest, and indeed
> the most valuable stamp in the world even today...
>
> (There are several other stamps known to exist only in one copy
> each... and some stamps even rarer... :-)
>
> > Stefan and Eta
> > Your discussion: I read it and thought you were unfriendly (flamewar
> as Don
> > said), but when my brain, told me to think it was for fun, I, hope
> not to insult you
> > both!, laughed.
>
>
> Well, *I* don't blame you. Maybe more laughs in this world would lead
> to fewer conflicts... :-)
>
>
>
> Steamboat Willie
>
Bror Hellman
Disney comics Digest V98 #227
Message 155 -
1998-09-15 at 10:20:14
>>The sort of "sabotage" that used to bother me the most (but which I'm
told
>>happens more and more rarely nowadays) is the taking of
well-researched,
>>highly authentic names and facts, and changing it to childish
gibberish
>>cutesy-funny names.
>This is one of those principles with which I agree 100%, even if it may
seem
>to contradict some of the things I've said before. I don't think it
does,
>unless you would want to put the tag of "tradition" on the sort of
thing
>that Bror (or would you rather go by your nic, Steamboat Willie?)
>described....
Well.. There is one thing to have duckburgian names on characters and
nearby cities..
And many stories do take place in fictive cutesy-funny-places, but when
it's clearly existing places.. I think it's IMPORTANT to try to be as
accurate
as possible...
An example...
Helsinki (capitol of Finland) is called Helsinki in English and Finnish.
But in Swedish we call it "Helsingfors".
So... if the city should be the subject of one of Don Rosas stories.
I would accept... no *DEMAND* that Stefan translated it into
"Helsingfors", but I would write him an angry letter if he (or his
editor)
would call it "Coldistan" or something similar... (Of course I would
blame
him, even if it was his editors fault. :-)
BTW. Stefan, you can call me Bror or Steamboat as you wish.
More people know me as "Steamboat Willie" than know me as Bror...
it's interchangeable. I mean.. I've been Steamboat Willie longer than
I've been Bror after all.
I think that the "educational" bit in a Disney comic, as I have argued
about
in this forum recently, is due to facts and things to learn "on the fly"
embedded in story, art och language. That is on of the true strengths
of an interesting and good comic, such as the best Disney comics by
Barks, Rosa, etc.
> I think most of this was already gone when I started out on "Kalle
Anka" in
> the early/mid-80's, but there were still people at the office who
remembered
> that rule, and would want to use all funny-names. Well, I declared my
> opinion in no uncertain terms, and the "tradition" slowly disappeared.
Good
> thing, too, or I wouldn't have wanted to be there at all.
Yes! One of your most important contributions to Swedish Disney comics!
:-)
> Now, don't get me wrong the other way... I still think that
funny-names are
> needed in many of the stories. When I was a kid, I got a kick out of
obvious
> make-believe names like Howduyustan, or whatever. But when something
is
> real, it's real. I got an even bigger kick when I grew older and found
Yukon
> and Yucatan on actual maps.
Agree 110%
Steamboat Willie
told
>>happens more and more rarely nowadays) is the taking of
well-researched,
>>highly authentic names and facts, and changing it to childish
gibberish
>>cutesy-funny names.
>This is one of those principles with which I agree 100%, even if it may
seem
>to contradict some of the things I've said before. I don't think it
does,
>unless you would want to put the tag of "tradition" on the sort of
thing
>that Bror (or would you rather go by your nic, Steamboat Willie?)
>described....
Well.. There is one thing to have duckburgian names on characters and
nearby cities..
And many stories do take place in fictive cutesy-funny-places, but when
it's clearly existing places.. I think it's IMPORTANT to try to be as
accurate
as possible...
An example...
Helsinki (capitol of Finland) is called Helsinki in English and Finnish.
But in Swedish we call it "Helsingfors".
So... if the city should be the subject of one of Don Rosas stories.
I would accept... no *DEMAND* that Stefan translated it into
"Helsingfors", but I would write him an angry letter if he (or his
editor)
would call it "Coldistan" or something similar... (Of course I would
blame
him, even if it was his editors fault. :-)
BTW. Stefan, you can call me Bror or Steamboat as you wish.
More people know me as "Steamboat Willie" than know me as Bror...
it's interchangeable. I mean.. I've been Steamboat Willie longer than
I've been Bror after all.
I think that the "educational" bit in a Disney comic, as I have argued
about
in this forum recently, is due to facts and things to learn "on the fly"
embedded in story, art och language. That is on of the true strengths
of an interesting and good comic, such as the best Disney comics by
Barks, Rosa, etc.
> I think most of this was already gone when I started out on "Kalle
Anka" in
> the early/mid-80's, but there were still people at the office who
remembered
> that rule, and would want to use all funny-names. Well, I declared my
> opinion in no uncertain terms, and the "tradition" slowly disappeared.
Good
> thing, too, or I wouldn't have wanted to be there at all.
Yes! One of your most important contributions to Swedish Disney comics!
:-)
> Now, don't get me wrong the other way... I still think that
funny-names are
> needed in many of the stories. When I was a kid, I got a kick out of
obvious
> make-believe names like Howduyustan, or whatever. But when something
is
> real, it's real. I got an even bigger kick when I grew older and found
Yukon
> and Yucatan on actual maps.
Agree 110%
Steamboat Willie
Santiago García Baños
Magica's resembling
Message 156 -
1998-09-15 at 10:58:24
A few weeks ago, there was a discussion on the list about the Phantom
Blot's resembling. Well, I had an idea about WHO Magica de Spell looks
like (I don't know if I'm right or wrong; maybe it's just my
imagination):
Take a look at the 2nd picture in
http://users.deltanet.com/users/dstickne/loren.htm
What do you think about?
SKN.
Blot's resembling. Well, I had an idea about WHO Magica de Spell looks
like (I don't know if I'm right or wrong; maybe it's just my
imagination):
Take a look at the 2nd picture in
http://users.deltanet.com/users/dstickne/loren.htm
What do you think about?
SKN.
HoyMurphy
Hoy's Back
Message 157 -
1998-09-16 at 02:29:55
I was gone for most of the month of August and it has taken me this long to
get caught up with the e-mail. There are several topics I'd like to touch
upon. So I will.
In my last posting of July 31, I mentioned that I was taking my Scouting
family cross-country to Philmont, the National Boy Scouts of America Training
Center in New Mexico and the largest youth camp in the world. I joked that we
were really going to Junior Woodchuck Camp, but it occurred to me after we got
there that it would be a good setting for a Don Rosa story. The 137-thousand
acre ranch was donated to the BSA as two separate gifts in 1938 and 1941 by
Waite Phillips, a wealthy Oklahoma oilman. It is set in the Sangre de Cristo
Range of the Rocky Mountains and has hundreds of miles of trails, with boys
coming from all over the world for the 7-11 day treks. Some of the mountain
landmarks have the names Baldy Mountain, Cathedral Rock, Lovers Leap, Bear
Mountain (!) and the most famous peak, the Tooth of Time. It is covered with
wildlife like elk and bison and bears (oh my!), and remains to this day a
working longhorn cattle ranch. Perhaps the story could be a contrast of how
Scrooge and Phillips used their wealth after meeting, or maybe Phillips had a
bad experience with young Donald and the Little Boneheads (opps, I mean
Booneheads) and decided to give it to the Woodchucks instead. Anyway, it's
just a thought.
Thanks to Don Rosa for the invitation to stop by and visit as we passed
through Louisville. I didn't see your message until our return, but we were
on a tight travel schedule anyway and wouldn't have been able to stop. I
doubt that you would have wanted to put up with me and my two Boneheads and
Chickadee, as all of us are rabid fans and we would have embarrassed ourselves
by fawning in your presence. We did wave as we passed through.
While we were travelling I stopped at a comic book story in Phoenix while were
were staying with my sister (and we drove past Prescott, home of Gladstone,
but it was a weekend and didn't think anyone would be there to greet us if we
called) and picked up the four Van Horn albums I had passed up when they first
came out. I haven't had time to read them yet, but I held up the cover to the
first one for a picture we had taken of our group in front of a covered wagon
at Philmont. Perhaps we'll send it to Gladstone, if they still use photos of
that type.
The best news when we got back was learning that Don Rosa and Carl Barks had
finally gotten the chance to meet! Sometimes the good guys do win, just like
in the comics! I took the liberty of passing along the news to Tony Isabella,
who writes a column for the Comic Buyers Guide and the online daily column
"Tony's Online Tips" (http://www.wfcomics.com/tony) and his reply was:
>>I didn't know about this, so thanks for sending it my way. Like you, I'm
delighted for two of my favorite comics creators.<<
Tony freqently gives good reviews of Gladstone in general and Rosa stories in
particular.
Last week I read "The Black Knight" to the microbes and it was laugh-out-loud
funny. Of course, being Americans steeped in lowbrow comic book trivia, we
thought the funniest bits were Jimmy Olsen (Superman's Pal) and his signal
watch, and Scrooge's reference to his "Tycoon Sense" (Spider-Man has a spider
sense). For a couple of days after we cracked each other up talking about the
mooney bean.
Someone asked about the use of exclamation marks instead of periods at the end
of sentences in comic books. It's my understanding that this relates to the
process of cheap printing on low-grade newsprint from comics' early days. It
was feared that the little dots would be so small as to drop out during the
final printing stage. Likewise, certain words were forbidden, such as "CLINT"
and "FLICK," for fear the printing process would run some of the letters
together and result in unintentional obscene words appearing. I remember
wondering how a Green Lantern villain named "FLICKER" got through several
years ago, although I don't think he's been seen since. How times change. DC
Comics how has an entire line of comics whose entire reason for being appears
to be to let the writers use as many obscenities per page as possible.
Slightly off topic: at our local Disney Store (where ducks are apparantly an
endangered species) I bought bean bag dolls of Donald, Daisy, and HDL. Does
anyone know if there has been/will be one of Scrooge, or even characters like
Gladstone, Gyro, Grandma, etc.? They seem to have obscure characters from
just about every other Disney cartoon.
Final topic: a few weeks ago there was discussion on the status of
Gladstone's licensing agreement with Disney maybe not being renewed next year.
Is there any news on this front? The December issues will be solicited from
Diamond Distribrution within the next few weeks, and I hate to think those
will be the last ones.
Now I'll, as Don Rosa would say if the editors would let him, shut up and
start lurking again.
--your pal, Hoy
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #228
******************************************
get caught up with the e-mail. There are several topics I'd like to touch
upon. So I will.
In my last posting of July 31, I mentioned that I was taking my Scouting
family cross-country to Philmont, the National Boy Scouts of America Training
Center in New Mexico and the largest youth camp in the world. I joked that we
were really going to Junior Woodchuck Camp, but it occurred to me after we got
there that it would be a good setting for a Don Rosa story. The 137-thousand
acre ranch was donated to the BSA as two separate gifts in 1938 and 1941 by
Waite Phillips, a wealthy Oklahoma oilman. It is set in the Sangre de Cristo
Range of the Rocky Mountains and has hundreds of miles of trails, with boys
coming from all over the world for the 7-11 day treks. Some of the mountain
landmarks have the names Baldy Mountain, Cathedral Rock, Lovers Leap, Bear
Mountain (!) and the most famous peak, the Tooth of Time. It is covered with
wildlife like elk and bison and bears (oh my!), and remains to this day a
working longhorn cattle ranch. Perhaps the story could be a contrast of how
Scrooge and Phillips used their wealth after meeting, or maybe Phillips had a
bad experience with young Donald and the Little Boneheads (opps, I mean
Booneheads) and decided to give it to the Woodchucks instead. Anyway, it's
just a thought.
Thanks to Don Rosa for the invitation to stop by and visit as we passed
through Louisville. I didn't see your message until our return, but we were
on a tight travel schedule anyway and wouldn't have been able to stop. I
doubt that you would have wanted to put up with me and my two Boneheads and
Chickadee, as all of us are rabid fans and we would have embarrassed ourselves
by fawning in your presence. We did wave as we passed through.
While we were travelling I stopped at a comic book story in Phoenix while were
were staying with my sister (and we drove past Prescott, home of Gladstone,
but it was a weekend and didn't think anyone would be there to greet us if we
called) and picked up the four Van Horn albums I had passed up when they first
came out. I haven't had time to read them yet, but I held up the cover to the
first one for a picture we had taken of our group in front of a covered wagon
at Philmont. Perhaps we'll send it to Gladstone, if they still use photos of
that type.
The best news when we got back was learning that Don Rosa and Carl Barks had
finally gotten the chance to meet! Sometimes the good guys do win, just like
in the comics! I took the liberty of passing along the news to Tony Isabella,
who writes a column for the Comic Buyers Guide and the online daily column
"Tony's Online Tips" (http://www.wfcomics.com/tony) and his reply was:
>>I didn't know about this, so thanks for sending it my way. Like you, I'm
delighted for two of my favorite comics creators.<<
Tony freqently gives good reviews of Gladstone in general and Rosa stories in
particular.
Last week I read "The Black Knight" to the microbes and it was laugh-out-loud
funny. Of course, being Americans steeped in lowbrow comic book trivia, we
thought the funniest bits were Jimmy Olsen (Superman's Pal) and his signal
watch, and Scrooge's reference to his "Tycoon Sense" (Spider-Man has a spider
sense). For a couple of days after we cracked each other up talking about the
mooney bean.
Someone asked about the use of exclamation marks instead of periods at the end
of sentences in comic books. It's my understanding that this relates to the
process of cheap printing on low-grade newsprint from comics' early days. It
was feared that the little dots would be so small as to drop out during the
final printing stage. Likewise, certain words were forbidden, such as "CLINT"
and "FLICK," for fear the printing process would run some of the letters
together and result in unintentional obscene words appearing. I remember
wondering how a Green Lantern villain named "FLICKER" got through several
years ago, although I don't think he's been seen since. How times change. DC
Comics how has an entire line of comics whose entire reason for being appears
to be to let the writers use as many obscenities per page as possible.
Slightly off topic: at our local Disney Store (where ducks are apparantly an
endangered species) I bought bean bag dolls of Donald, Daisy, and HDL. Does
anyone know if there has been/will be one of Scrooge, or even characters like
Gladstone, Gyro, Grandma, etc.? They seem to have obscure characters from
just about every other Disney cartoon.
Final topic: a few weeks ago there was discussion on the status of
Gladstone's licensing agreement with Disney maybe not being renewed next year.
Is there any news on this front? The December issues will be solicited from
Diamond Distribrution within the next few weeks, and I hate to think those
will be the last ones.
Now I'll, as Don Rosa would say if the editors would let him, shut up and
start lurking again.
--your pal, Hoy
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #228
******************************************
Don Rosa
Digest #228
Message 158 -
1998-09-16 at 03:33:29
>>>>I live in Gothenburg, so I was really looking forward to a certain day
of
the gothenburg Book-fair in the end of october, when a not so unknown mr
Rosa will be interviewed (I think) by someone. Then I realized that that
particular week is the exam-week, and Murphy had (of course) placed an
exam at the exact time of that occasion. Moooooooaaaaaan!!!! well well.=20
I don't suppose you will be there another day than that particular friday=
Don?
/Theresa
The Swedish Egmont branch invites me to attend things like the Gothenburg
Book Fair to promote their comics and, in this instance, the Life of $crooge
book and the 50th anniversary of the DD weekly. And that's great, but since
I earn not-a-red-cent in royalties off the sales of the Rosa books or Rosa
comics, that's not why I go. I go in order to meet and thank the fans of the
Duck comics, the fans like me, the fans whose existance makes it possible
for me to be writing and drawing Duck comics as I dreamt of doing since my
earliest memory, but never thought I'd have a chance to do due to the
collapse of the American comics market (Disney comics in particular, which
went from the widest read to the least read in an art form on the brink of
extinction). And since that's why I make these visits to Europe, aside from
whatever interview you refer to (which I have not even been informed of), I
will be sitting at a booth at that fair, even if it's a door sitting on two
sawhorses that I find in the alley, signing comics or doing drawings
for fans, *100%* of the time the fair is open, all days, every day. Count on
it. Don't worry.
>>>>>>>Now I'll, as Don Rosa would say if the editors would let him, shut up
and
start lurking again.
--your pal, Hoy
My pal, Hoy.... I have no idea what this means. Am I just dense...? Oh...
you mean saying "shut up"? No editor stops me from saying (writing) that.
Only Disney. They are NOT comics editors. Or readers or fans or supporters,
as near as I can tell.
of
the gothenburg Book-fair in the end of october, when a not so unknown mr
Rosa will be interviewed (I think) by someone. Then I realized that that
particular week is the exam-week, and Murphy had (of course) placed an
exam at the exact time of that occasion. Moooooooaaaaaan!!!! well well.=20
I don't suppose you will be there another day than that particular friday=
Don?
/Theresa
The Swedish Egmont branch invites me to attend things like the Gothenburg
Book Fair to promote their comics and, in this instance, the Life of $crooge
book and the 50th anniversary of the DD weekly. And that's great, but since
I earn not-a-red-cent in royalties off the sales of the Rosa books or Rosa
comics, that's not why I go. I go in order to meet and thank the fans of the
Duck comics, the fans like me, the fans whose existance makes it possible
for me to be writing and drawing Duck comics as I dreamt of doing since my
earliest memory, but never thought I'd have a chance to do due to the
collapse of the American comics market (Disney comics in particular, which
went from the widest read to the least read in an art form on the brink of
extinction). And since that's why I make these visits to Europe, aside from
whatever interview you refer to (which I have not even been informed of), I
will be sitting at a booth at that fair, even if it's a door sitting on two
sawhorses that I find in the alley, signing comics or doing drawings
for fans, *100%* of the time the fair is open, all days, every day. Count on
it. Don't worry.
>>>>>>>Now I'll, as Don Rosa would say if the editors would let him, shut up
and
start lurking again.
--your pal, Hoy
My pal, Hoy.... I have no idea what this means. Am I just dense...? Oh...
you mean saying "shut up"? No editor stops me from saying (writing) that.
Only Disney. They are NOT comics editors. Or readers or fans or supporters,
as near as I can tell.
Katie Sullivan
Dolls
Message 159 -
1998-09-16 at 03:50:40
> HOY WROTE: at our local Disney Store (where ducks are apparantly an
> endangered species)
Sigh. Tell me about it! :-(
> I bought bean bag dolls of Donald, Daisy, and HDL. Does
> anyone know if there has been/will be one of Scrooge, or even characters like
> Gladstone, Gyro, Grandma, etc.? They seem to have obscure characters from
> just about every other Disney cartoon.
This irritates me no end. I mean, they have the most OBSCURE characters, like the dancing hippos
from Fantasia, and Lady Cluck from Robin Hood, but no Scrooge! ARG! The flagship character of
their comics line! Boo hoo! :-( I asked the local Disney Store employees about it, and they said
they didn't know if there would be Scrooge and friends, but they said to be patient, because new
ones are coming out frequently. So I'm being patient. But...ARG! I want a new Scrooge doll! The
last one I found was over 10 years ago, from the DuckTales days. If you go to the Disney store
website from www.disney.com there's a mailing list you can sign up for. They e-mail you when new
dolls are released, or old ones retired. So far, no luck. Rest assured if I hear of a Scrooge or
other duck released, I'll post about it. In the meantime...we can hope...!
~~~~an off-topic post by Katie Quackfaster :-) ~~~~~~`
> endangered species)
Sigh. Tell me about it! :-(
> I bought bean bag dolls of Donald, Daisy, and HDL. Does
> anyone know if there has been/will be one of Scrooge, or even characters like
> Gladstone, Gyro, Grandma, etc.? They seem to have obscure characters from
> just about every other Disney cartoon.
This irritates me no end. I mean, they have the most OBSCURE characters, like the dancing hippos
from Fantasia, and Lady Cluck from Robin Hood, but no Scrooge! ARG! The flagship character of
their comics line! Boo hoo! :-( I asked the local Disney Store employees about it, and they said
they didn't know if there would be Scrooge and friends, but they said to be patient, because new
ones are coming out frequently. So I'm being patient. But...ARG! I want a new Scrooge doll! The
last one I found was over 10 years ago, from the DuckTales days. If you go to the Disney store
website from www.disney.com there's a mailing list you can sign up for. They e-mail you when new
dolls are released, or old ones retired. So far, no luck. Rest assured if I hear of a Scrooge or
other duck released, I'll post about it. In the meantime...we can hope...!
~~~~an off-topic post by Katie Quackfaster :-) ~~~~~~`
Jonathan Markoff
WDC&S 629 and US 314
Message 160 -
1998-09-16 at 07:02:20
You're all familiar with my periodic reviews of Gladstone's latest, and
although my long-time rival, the mailing list's femme fatale Katie Sullivan,
beat me to it (which I don't mind--ladies first and all that racket...),
here goes for WDC&S 629 and US 314 with the usual...
***SPOILERS***
For WDC&S 629, all I have to say is "YAY!!!!!" I opened the book expecting
to find another confused jumble of shattered Mickey stories--two serials
continuing simultaneously--and instead found a full consecutive 18 pages (19
counting the intro) of never-before reprinted Gottfredson! Although the
artwork of "Mr. Slicker and the Egg Robbers" was somewhat crude and the
mystery was pretty obvious, the story had some neat twists--the gags such as
the "passed away" hour, Mickey's daring escape from the posse inside a
locked room, and the jealous, vengeful side to his personality. And three
more cheers for the large-sized format! Although some may complain that the
individual episodes were befuddled--I admit it does sort of ruin the flow to
have an "end-of-page" miniclimax occur in the page's middle--the artwork was
allowed to shine in painless, legible size, free from the microscopic plague
that bedeviled "Blaggard Castle," "The Mail Pilot," and "The Phantom Blot"
in past years of WDC&S. I hope Gladstone prints more stories Mickey this
way. I eagerly await the return of Eega Beeva! One question: the
introduction seems to imply that the beginning of this story has been
excised. Is this due to "un-PC-ness" as usual, or was it just to save space?
And comments once again to Jan Kruse, David Gerstein, and Bas Heymans for
"Scandal on the Epoch Express." While I initially thought it would turn out
predictably (Chief Ratz seemed typecast as an obvious
villain-disguised-as-friend), I soon received a swift blow to that theory,
and the story was full of many surprise twists and a chuckle-inducing
ending, plus several Barksian and cinematic references in the new American
script.
The non-Duck-non-Mouse stories in the issue: Bucky Bug in "Juggerpede" and
Scamp in "Choosing a Leader." My opinions these genres don't need to be
reiterated. After all, have there been ANY memorable comics stories with
these characters? Fortunately the total number of pages (9) between these
two indicates that they cost only 72.22 cents (rounding the decimal) out of
a 64-page $6.95 comic book.
I didn't enjoy Michael Gilbert's "Hail the Conquering Loser" as much as I
wanted to, being a big fan of Michael's other work. While the plot, with a
little more violence and Donald redrawn into Doc Stearn (with Kelly Friday
substituting HDL?), would have made for a great MR. MONSTER story, it seemed
a bit too "anything-can-happen" for the Barks-Rosa universe, even counting
"Island in the Sky". It seems almost as if he forgot which character whose
story he was writing. Insane details to note: Van Horn's signature is
blaring out of the last panel!! I thought that these artists weren't allowed
to sign their names in their stories. Has Disney's policy changed?
To start with the goods on US 314, roll out the red carpet (aptly put) for
"The Black Knight"!! Though the plot at first seems like a repetition of
"Cash Flow" or "His Majesty McDuck", the actions of the
Clouseau-speech-impedimented villain soon give the story a very unexpected
twist. The idea of "sequelizing" "The Universal Solvent" was something that
never ocurred to me as possible. Still, it was great to see the bottled
disaster-area in motion once more. Is this the end of Donald's famous
Belchfire Runabout? Or is there a story yet to be written to explain how the
car was repaired? (Surely Don wouldn't kill off such a well-loved and useful
"character".) And what will Scrooge do if the armor in its new place is
toppled by an action of the Terries and Fermies, or perhaps even a sneeze?
The last panel seems to scream for a sequel. Is there one in planning, or is
this just another Rosa spoof of an antediluvian cliche'? BTW, Susan
Daigle-Leach's coloring was exquisite, and a vast improvement over Scott
Rockwell's "washed-out" look.
"The Midas Touch" is a Barks story I already own, but it hasn't been
reprinted in a long time and was a good choice for reissue, in contrast to
310's "Back to Long Ago". Besides, my old copy was a late, muddily-colored
Whitman printing, so it was good to see it with flourescent hues on
sparkling paper.
What exact relation does "Animal Hazards" have to "Mr. Slicker and the Egg
Robbers"? "AH" is listed as having run from September to December, 1930
while "MS&TER" is marked from October to November of that same year. Yet the
former is much shorter and seems to come before the latter, and the two
panels in the latter's intro are not to be found in either. Who screwed up?
What's the lowdown?
"Little Gyro in Quarkland" couldn't have come into my hands at a better
time! In the recently-begun semester at Northern Virginia Community College,
much of my homework has involved nuclei, electrons, protons and other
material shown in this very story! Santiago Scalabroni, whose art I usually
ignore, had some unusually good moments, too.
All I can really complain about is the cover. Has Don Rosa stopped providing
Gladstone with the dynamic illustrations for his stories like he has done
past? Though the art of this issue's cover was good, it did not command
attention or make one want to read the story inside. Forgive me if I'm
repeating myself, but I've always felt that Gladstone's insistence on using
simple, nostalgic "gag" covers unrelated to the inside story, in contrast to
the famous attention-getting, acion-packed "sneak preview" covers of DC,
have been one of its deadliest methods of shooting itself in the foot. The
casual proletarian customer notices monsters and explosions, not Ducks
playing with $-sign golf tees and slurping ice-cream sodas. Am I the only
one who thinks this? Will someone please offer feedback on this opinion?
***END SPOILERS***
--Jonathan Markoff
"Mooney bean? What's that?"
--Don Rosa, "The Black Knight"
although my long-time rival, the mailing list's femme fatale Katie Sullivan,
beat me to it (which I don't mind--ladies first and all that racket...),
here goes for WDC&S 629 and US 314 with the usual...
***SPOILERS***
For WDC&S 629, all I have to say is "YAY!!!!!" I opened the book expecting
to find another confused jumble of shattered Mickey stories--two serials
continuing simultaneously--and instead found a full consecutive 18 pages (19
counting the intro) of never-before reprinted Gottfredson! Although the
artwork of "Mr. Slicker and the Egg Robbers" was somewhat crude and the
mystery was pretty obvious, the story had some neat twists--the gags such as
the "passed away" hour, Mickey's daring escape from the posse inside a
locked room, and the jealous, vengeful side to his personality. And three
more cheers for the large-sized format! Although some may complain that the
individual episodes were befuddled--I admit it does sort of ruin the flow to
have an "end-of-page" miniclimax occur in the page's middle--the artwork was
allowed to shine in painless, legible size, free from the microscopic plague
that bedeviled "Blaggard Castle," "The Mail Pilot," and "The Phantom Blot"
in past years of WDC&S. I hope Gladstone prints more stories Mickey this
way. I eagerly await the return of Eega Beeva! One question: the
introduction seems to imply that the beginning of this story has been
excised. Is this due to "un-PC-ness" as usual, or was it just to save space?
And comments once again to Jan Kruse, David Gerstein, and Bas Heymans for
"Scandal on the Epoch Express." While I initially thought it would turn out
predictably (Chief Ratz seemed typecast as an obvious
villain-disguised-as-friend), I soon received a swift blow to that theory,
and the story was full of many surprise twists and a chuckle-inducing
ending, plus several Barksian and cinematic references in the new American
script.
The non-Duck-non-Mouse stories in the issue: Bucky Bug in "Juggerpede" and
Scamp in "Choosing a Leader." My opinions these genres don't need to be
reiterated. After all, have there been ANY memorable comics stories with
these characters? Fortunately the total number of pages (9) between these
two indicates that they cost only 72.22 cents (rounding the decimal) out of
a 64-page $6.95 comic book.
I didn't enjoy Michael Gilbert's "Hail the Conquering Loser" as much as I
wanted to, being a big fan of Michael's other work. While the plot, with a
little more violence and Donald redrawn into Doc Stearn (with Kelly Friday
substituting HDL?), would have made for a great MR. MONSTER story, it seemed
a bit too "anything-can-happen" for the Barks-Rosa universe, even counting
"Island in the Sky". It seems almost as if he forgot which character whose
story he was writing. Insane details to note: Van Horn's signature is
blaring out of the last panel!! I thought that these artists weren't allowed
to sign their names in their stories. Has Disney's policy changed?
To start with the goods on US 314, roll out the red carpet (aptly put) for
"The Black Knight"!! Though the plot at first seems like a repetition of
"Cash Flow" or "His Majesty McDuck", the actions of the
Clouseau-speech-impedimented villain soon give the story a very unexpected
twist. The idea of "sequelizing" "The Universal Solvent" was something that
never ocurred to me as possible. Still, it was great to see the bottled
disaster-area in motion once more. Is this the end of Donald's famous
Belchfire Runabout? Or is there a story yet to be written to explain how the
car was repaired? (Surely Don wouldn't kill off such a well-loved and useful
"character".) And what will Scrooge do if the armor in its new place is
toppled by an action of the Terries and Fermies, or perhaps even a sneeze?
The last panel seems to scream for a sequel. Is there one in planning, or is
this just another Rosa spoof of an antediluvian cliche'? BTW, Susan
Daigle-Leach's coloring was exquisite, and a vast improvement over Scott
Rockwell's "washed-out" look.
"The Midas Touch" is a Barks story I already own, but it hasn't been
reprinted in a long time and was a good choice for reissue, in contrast to
310's "Back to Long Ago". Besides, my old copy was a late, muddily-colored
Whitman printing, so it was good to see it with flourescent hues on
sparkling paper.
What exact relation does "Animal Hazards" have to "Mr. Slicker and the Egg
Robbers"? "AH" is listed as having run from September to December, 1930
while "MS&TER" is marked from October to November of that same year. Yet the
former is much shorter and seems to come before the latter, and the two
panels in the latter's intro are not to be found in either. Who screwed up?
What's the lowdown?
"Little Gyro in Quarkland" couldn't have come into my hands at a better
time! In the recently-begun semester at Northern Virginia Community College,
much of my homework has involved nuclei, electrons, protons and other
material shown in this very story! Santiago Scalabroni, whose art I usually
ignore, had some unusually good moments, too.
All I can really complain about is the cover. Has Don Rosa stopped providing
Gladstone with the dynamic illustrations for his stories like he has done
past? Though the art of this issue's cover was good, it did not command
attention or make one want to read the story inside. Forgive me if I'm
repeating myself, but I've always felt that Gladstone's insistence on using
simple, nostalgic "gag" covers unrelated to the inside story, in contrast to
the famous attention-getting, acion-packed "sneak preview" covers of DC,
have been one of its deadliest methods of shooting itself in the foot. The
casual proletarian customer notices monsters and explosions, not Ducks
playing with $-sign golf tees and slurping ice-cream sodas. Am I the only
one who thinks this? Will someone please offer feedback on this opinion?
***END SPOILERS***
--Jonathan Markoff
"Mooney bean? What's that?"
--Don Rosa, "The Black Knight"
Matthew R. Sommer
Disney comics Digest V98 #228
Message 161 -
1998-09-16 at 08:15:07
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:14:20 -0500
> From: "Edge, Ronald D" <(Email removed)>
> To: "'(Email removed)'" <(Email removed)>
> Subject: Future of (Disney) Comics in America
>
> Yesterday I read the latest WDC&S and Uncle Scrooge from Gladstone (the
> $6.95 each current format of new and reprinted Disney material). In one of
> the letters to the editor, the editor laments the current continuing
> collapse of the comic marketplace in the United States.
>
> The general consensus is that the confluence of two forces is at work here.
>
> One is the aftermath of the collapse of the speculators market,
being a long time comic book fan myself, I have to agree that this is a baffling situation. Why
exactly have comics fallen on such hard times in the USA? I've debated this very topic with friends
many many times, and the conclusions I've drawn really have nothing to do with the two points you
mention...Let me try and see if I can make clear my thoughts on the subject.
first of all, I would say that while the "collapse" of the speculator market has had a big effect on
short term sales, it can't be blamed entirely. In fact, I would say the collapse of that market is
very healthy for comics on the whole... after all, how insane was that? Artificial collectors items
selling millions of copies on the hopes that they may be worth something some day. What it did was
turn comics from a reading activity to a collecting/ trading activity (akin to something like
baseball cards). It taught people to bag and board instead of READ the books they were hoarding.
What that short term boost in sales did was A) teach kids to not read their comics, and B)
disappoint a lot of people when their "collection" turned out to be worthless. Now that those days
are gone (mostly), the people who are still left are in it for the stories, not the $$.
> It is almost impossible
> to find the old rotating racks, or even a piece of shelf space in a super
> market, grocery store, drug store, or corner quick mart, where comics are
> sold anymore. In the fifties and sixties, this is how they were sold. And
> Uncle Scrooge was selling in the 100's of thousands of copies per issue!!
> Compare that to today, and seque to the next point.
>
this is what has caused comics to become such an obscure form of entertainment in the US... the
direct market. Granted, it "saved" comic books back in the 70's and 80's when it began to struggle,
but as we've grown more and more reliant on the DM, we have also been taking comics out of the very
places kids would find them (grocery stores, etc). PArt of this has to do with the change in the
magazine distributor. In the fight for shelf space, they dont want to stock comic books that sell
for $2 when they COULD put a $5 magazine in that space instead. This is the truly sad part... since
I got all of my comics as a child thru these sources. So because comics are only available from
special stores, you effectively cut off all the casual comic readers. Instead of picking one up at
the grocery store, you have to make a special trip to a little crowded, disorganized, and usually
very UN-kid friendly place. There is certainly little incentive for someone to do this. Another
thing is the price... look at how much that WDC&S issue cost you! What child is going to afford
such a thing? And what parent would make a casual purchase for such a price?As a counter example,
most european Disney comics come in digest formats with many complete stories all in one affordable
book.
As an example of a comic that is still doing gangbusters at grocery stores and other mainstream
sources, simply look at the line of ARCHIE comics. These digests have been huge sellers for years &
continue to sell well, even in this "downturn" in the comic market. Maybe not surprisingly, these
books follow the same formula of many stories in one book for a cheap price.
You would think that Disney, the corporation that can do no wrong, would be able to sell millions of
comics. Well, they've kind of tried half heartedly on and off... in fact their disney adventures
mag (grocery store availability again...notice a trend?) seems to do pretty well. Its not all
comics, but there are usually some inside. I think Disney COULD sell those comics if they really
wanted to, but I dont think they really want to. Comics are a lot of work for little return. I
dont think they find it worthwhile.
> The second is the apparent collapse of literacy, or at least of the desire
> to read, among children. TV and video games seem to be the primary fare for
> entertainment.
I think you are buying into the hype we have in this country that kids don't read. Tell that to the
poeple who publish the GOOSEBUMPS books! In fact, books specifically aimed at pre-teens and younger
kids sell millions of copies every day. Yes, TV and Video games are competition, but kids still like
to read. IF the stuff is accessible. As far as the Disney stuff goes though, I think kids in the
US tend to mature faster than maybe some other kids from different places do, and grow very quickly
into "cooler" things. I dont know off hand how it is in places where Egmont reigns, but in the US I
think you would be hard pressed to find kids older than 10 who would be into Donald Duck (or would
admit to it). Not because the stories are bad, but simply that comics have always had a certain
"nerd" factor to them.
> All pretty bleak if Disney Comics in America simply devolve into products
> for aging folks like me (52 and counting), who still enjoy some of the
> pleasures of their childhood. Because it spells ultimate demise of the
> artform.
well, I'm 27, and I dont think the distribution system was much different from when you were a child
and when I was. I grew to like comics because they were available... my mom would always buy a few
for me at the store. This "indoctrination" into comics at a young age is VERY important I think to
whether or not a person will accept comics later in life. I think for this trend to change we need
to move back towards the returnable or partially returnable newsstand distribution of days past.
Maybe it is too late. I hate to be a downer, but we have spent the last 20+ years phasing comic
books OUT of the cultural norm so that we are where we are today. I think it will take quite an
effort to get it back again.
-Matt-
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:14:20 -0500
> From: "Edge, Ronald D" <(Email removed)>
> To: "'(Email removed)'" <(Email removed)>
> Subject: Future of (Disney) Comics in America
>
> Yesterday I read the latest WDC&S and Uncle Scrooge from Gladstone (the
> $6.95 each current format of new and reprinted Disney material). In one of
> the letters to the editor, the editor laments the current continuing
> collapse of the comic marketplace in the United States.
>
> The general consensus is that the confluence of two forces is at work here.
>
> One is the aftermath of the collapse of the speculators market,
being a long time comic book fan myself, I have to agree that this is a baffling situation. Why
exactly have comics fallen on such hard times in the USA? I've debated this very topic with friends
many many times, and the conclusions I've drawn really have nothing to do with the two points you
mention...Let me try and see if I can make clear my thoughts on the subject.
first of all, I would say that while the "collapse" of the speculator market has had a big effect on
short term sales, it can't be blamed entirely. In fact, I would say the collapse of that market is
very healthy for comics on the whole... after all, how insane was that? Artificial collectors items
selling millions of copies on the hopes that they may be worth something some day. What it did was
turn comics from a reading activity to a collecting/ trading activity (akin to something like
baseball cards). It taught people to bag and board instead of READ the books they were hoarding.
What that short term boost in sales did was A) teach kids to not read their comics, and B)
disappoint a lot of people when their "collection" turned out to be worthless. Now that those days
are gone (mostly), the people who are still left are in it for the stories, not the $$.
> It is almost impossible
> to find the old rotating racks, or even a piece of shelf space in a super
> market, grocery store, drug store, or corner quick mart, where comics are
> sold anymore. In the fifties and sixties, this is how they were sold. And
> Uncle Scrooge was selling in the 100's of thousands of copies per issue!!
> Compare that to today, and seque to the next point.
>
this is what has caused comics to become such an obscure form of entertainment in the US... the
direct market. Granted, it "saved" comic books back in the 70's and 80's when it began to struggle,
but as we've grown more and more reliant on the DM, we have also been taking comics out of the very
places kids would find them (grocery stores, etc). PArt of this has to do with the change in the
magazine distributor. In the fight for shelf space, they dont want to stock comic books that sell
for $2 when they COULD put a $5 magazine in that space instead. This is the truly sad part... since
I got all of my comics as a child thru these sources. So because comics are only available from
special stores, you effectively cut off all the casual comic readers. Instead of picking one up at
the grocery store, you have to make a special trip to a little crowded, disorganized, and usually
very UN-kid friendly place. There is certainly little incentive for someone to do this. Another
thing is the price... look at how much that WDC&S issue cost you! What child is going to afford
such a thing? And what parent would make a casual purchase for such a price?As a counter example,
most european Disney comics come in digest formats with many complete stories all in one affordable
book.
As an example of a comic that is still doing gangbusters at grocery stores and other mainstream
sources, simply look at the line of ARCHIE comics. These digests have been huge sellers for years &
continue to sell well, even in this "downturn" in the comic market. Maybe not surprisingly, these
books follow the same formula of many stories in one book for a cheap price.
You would think that Disney, the corporation that can do no wrong, would be able to sell millions of
comics. Well, they've kind of tried half heartedly on and off... in fact their disney adventures
mag (grocery store availability again...notice a trend?) seems to do pretty well. Its not all
comics, but there are usually some inside. I think Disney COULD sell those comics if they really
wanted to, but I dont think they really want to. Comics are a lot of work for little return. I
dont think they find it worthwhile.
> The second is the apparent collapse of literacy, or at least of the desire
> to read, among children. TV and video games seem to be the primary fare for
> entertainment.
I think you are buying into the hype we have in this country that kids don't read. Tell that to the
poeple who publish the GOOSEBUMPS books! In fact, books specifically aimed at pre-teens and younger
kids sell millions of copies every day. Yes, TV and Video games are competition, but kids still like
to read. IF the stuff is accessible. As far as the Disney stuff goes though, I think kids in the
US tend to mature faster than maybe some other kids from different places do, and grow very quickly
into "cooler" things. I dont know off hand how it is in places where Egmont reigns, but in the US I
think you would be hard pressed to find kids older than 10 who would be into Donald Duck (or would
admit to it). Not because the stories are bad, but simply that comics have always had a certain
"nerd" factor to them.
> All pretty bleak if Disney Comics in America simply devolve into products
> for aging folks like me (52 and counting), who still enjoy some of the
> pleasures of their childhood. Because it spells ultimate demise of the
> artform.
well, I'm 27, and I dont think the distribution system was much different from when you were a child
and when I was. I grew to like comics because they were available... my mom would always buy a few
for me at the store. This "indoctrination" into comics at a young age is VERY important I think to
whether or not a person will accept comics later in life. I think for this trend to change we need
to move back towards the returnable or partially returnable newsstand distribution of days past.
Maybe it is too late. I hate to be a downer, but we have spent the last 20+ years phasing comic
books OUT of the cultural norm so that we are where we are today. I think it will take quite an
effort to get it back again.
-Matt-
DarrellR
Hands Off! Don't Touch!
Message 162 -
1998-09-16 at 12:01:13
Harry:
>You could also call it a rip-off...
I suppose that you could.... However, since I respect the work of Mr.
Barks' greatly, I prefer to think that the artist was paying homage to th=
e
master.... or maybe passing on something to a new audience that was a
variation of something that they enjoyed when they were younger.... This
may or may not be true... However, since the more negative view could
affect the enjoyment that my wife and I are getting from the piece, I thi=
nk
that we'll stay on the positive side. Everyone has their own way of
approaching things I suppose.... =
>Maybe you (or someone else) can make a scan of it and publish it on the
>Web. Then maybe one of us can recognise the art style.
Thanks! I never would have thought of this... Unfortunately, the art is=
too large for our scanner. Maybe one of these days I can have a copy made=
with a reduced size and get it set up somewhere so that those of you who
can differentiate styles can take a look at it.
Thanks again and take care.....
Darrell R.
State Road, NC USA
>You could also call it a rip-off...
I suppose that you could.... However, since I respect the work of Mr.
Barks' greatly, I prefer to think that the artist was paying homage to th=
e
master.... or maybe passing on something to a new audience that was a
variation of something that they enjoyed when they were younger.... This
may or may not be true... However, since the more negative view could
affect the enjoyment that my wife and I are getting from the piece, I thi=
nk
that we'll stay on the positive side. Everyone has their own way of
approaching things I suppose.... =
>Maybe you (or someone else) can make a scan of it and publish it on the
>Web. Then maybe one of us can recognise the art style.
Thanks! I never would have thought of this... Unfortunately, the art is=
too large for our scanner. Maybe one of these days I can have a copy made=
with a reduced size and get it set up somewhere so that those of you who
can differentiate styles can take a look at it.
Thanks again and take care.....
Darrell R.
State Road, NC USA
Fluks, H.W.
Hands Off! Don't Touch!
Message 163 -
1998-09-16 at 13:42:17
Darrell:
>>You could also call it a rip-off...
> I suppose that you could.... However, since I respect the work of Mr.
> Barks' greatly, I prefer to think that the artist was paying homage to the
> master...
I'm glad that you won't let my negative remark spoil your pleasure. I
only said it because it is a possibility (I have never seen the cover,
so how can I know?). I have seen a lot of (mostly Dutch and Danish)
redrawings of covers, mostly much worse than the original, but sometimes
indeed much better.
Anyway, whether or not the new artist payed homage to Barks, I'm quite
sure he or she didn't know Barks' name at that time.
>> Maybe you (or someone else) can make a scan of it and publish it on the
>> Web. Then maybe one of us can recognise the art style.
> Unfortunately, the art is too large for our scanner.
But maybe even a *part* of the cover would be enough to identify the
artist?
--Harry.
>>You could also call it a rip-off...
> I suppose that you could.... However, since I respect the work of Mr.
> Barks' greatly, I prefer to think that the artist was paying homage to the
> master...
I'm glad that you won't let my negative remark spoil your pleasure. I
only said it because it is a possibility (I have never seen the cover,
so how can I know?). I have seen a lot of (mostly Dutch and Danish)
redrawings of covers, mostly much worse than the original, but sometimes
indeed much better.
Anyway, whether or not the new artist payed homage to Barks, I'm quite
sure he or she didn't know Barks' name at that time.
>> Maybe you (or someone else) can make a scan of it and publish it on the
>> Web. Then maybe one of us can recognise the art style.
> Unfortunately, the art is too large for our scanner.
But maybe even a *part* of the cover would be enough to identify the
artist?
--Harry.
Silvio Peter
Disney Comics Digest #227
Message 164 -
1998-09-16 at 14:00:59
Flipping through the DCD #227 I've found something that I think is based on
a misunderstanding:
Don Rosa:
> As to that other instance we mentioned where the names of Taliaferro and
> Osbourne were removed from the HD&L 60th Anniversary story
<snip>
> But... my biggest irk in that situation was the Germans (I think it was,
so I was
> told, can't read it myself) who apparently *did* recognize that those two
> names were of the old writer/artist, but decided to change the names to
some
> editor and translator! Auugh!
I looked it up in the german Micky Maus #44/97 - the names in question in
the german translation were "Willibald" and "Waldemar", two beautiful,
old-fashioned german names in the tradition of the german duckburghian
universe, as it was formed by the legendary german translator Dr. Erika
Fuchs. They are *not* the names of any translators nor editors.
Best regards,
Silvio Peter
Comic Editor
Egmont Ehapa Verlag
a misunderstanding:
Don Rosa:
> As to that other instance we mentioned where the names of Taliaferro and
> Osbourne were removed from the HD&L 60th Anniversary story
<snip>
> But... my biggest irk in that situation was the Germans (I think it was,
so I was
> told, can't read it myself) who apparently *did* recognize that those two
> names were of the old writer/artist, but decided to change the names to
some
> editor and translator! Auugh!
I looked it up in the german Micky Maus #44/97 - the names in question in
the german translation were "Willibald" and "Waldemar", two beautiful,
old-fashioned german names in the tradition of the german duckburghian
universe, as it was formed by the legendary german translator Dr. Erika
Fuchs. They are *not* the names of any translators nor editors.
Best regards,
Silvio Peter
Comic Editor
Egmont Ehapa Verlag
Luca Boschi
From Luca Boschi on Lucca Comics
Message 165 -
1998-09-16 at 16:20:58
Hi, Harry, and all!
It seems that my last mail didn't reach you, for some miske I made,=20
maybe.
I know that some guys of you were gonna sking to me when Luciano=20
bottaro shall come to Lucca, to speak with him (and to the other=20
Disney artists and story men around there, like Carpi, Rebuffi, Sisto,=20
Marconi, Cavazzano, Schroeder and many, many others).
Well, Leonardo Gori, who shall host a presentation on "ancient"=20
italian Disney comics, suggests to have an ufficial meting with all=20
the people of the Disney data Base and/or Disney Mailing List who wish=20
to be there.
For Lucca's organization it's possible. The day shall be Saturday=20
Oct.31, in the afternoon, I assume.
All the DDB e DML subscrivers who want to meet artists and hosts, with=20
some other 40.000 (!) persons (around 10.000 each day), can write=20
their desire (and their namse) here, to the DML. I'll provide a free=20
pass for them, to visit all the exhibitions and the marketplace.
and I'll write this meeting in the official booklet, distributed in=20
40.000 item to all the visitos, columnists and so on.
I think we shall not be able to pay free meals and things like those=20
(we have no money enough), but you'll have free access to all the=20
events, include the Award Presentations, with lots of people from all=20
the world, included atrists from USA, France, Germany, England and so=20
on.
I add some notes (written by our collaborator Mirko Tavosanis) about=20
the first presentation of the convention, so you'll have more=20
informations about this (very big) event. More infos in next messages,=20
if requested.
NEWS ABOUT LUCCA COMICS, AUTUMN =D598
This time the meeting will be centred around Science Fiction and its=20
most interesting representatives in comics.
The exhibits will be opened since Saturday 24th of October to Sunday=20
8th of November. For the first time you will see in depth half a=20
century of Italian science fiction comics. The great exhibit is=20
tagged, for the moment, as DA REBO A BRENDON (=D2From Rebo to Brendon=D3=
):=20
it displays hundreds of drawings and original magazines, together with=20
famous characters as Nathan Never or Cybersix. The exhibit also=20
unveils the roots of Italian science fiction comics, discovering=20
unknown or forgotten items: Franco Caprioli=D5s spectacular dioramas fo=
r=20
the Catholic weekly =D2Il Vittorioso=D3; a surprising space opera by su=
ch=20
a big name as Aurelio Galleppini; the E. C. Comics-inspired work by=20
Carlo Peroni for =D2Il Pioniere=D3... Plus, the alien landscapes by=20
Roberto Bonadimani; the astonishing powers held by Loredano Ugolini=D5s=
=20
Atlas; the stories of Giorgio Rebuffi=D5s galactic salesman; the =D2com=
ic=20
post-holocaust=D3 by Luciano Bottaro, who also drew the wonderful poste=
r=20
for the festival.
There will be also the latest cyborg-like characters: from the serials=20
created by Giuseppe Palumbo, Marco Nizzoli and Daniele Brolli for the=20
Phoenix publishing house, to Graziano Origa=D5s VideoMax and to the=20
Bonelli characters Legs Weaver and Brendon. They are the latest=20
representatives of a long series of heroes beginning with the evil=20
Rebo, the tyrant of Saturn created by writer Cesare Zavattini together=20
with artist Giovanni Scolari and Federico Pedrocchi.
Special attention is also paid to the SF MADE IN EURA, the publishing=20
house celebrated especially for the popular weeklies =D2Lanciostory=D3 =
and=20
=D2Skorpio=D3. Since decades, on their pages appear important serials a=
nd=20
one-shots devoted to science fiction and created by such authors as=20
Franco Saudelli, Rodolfo Torti, Massimo Rotundo, Lorenzo Bartoli and=20
Massimo Carnevale, among many others.
A great personal exhibit will be dedicated to the Spanish illustrator=20
and comic book artist JUAN GIMENEZ. It will display 250 spectacular=20
items: original works for comics as well as illustrations and drawings=20
for movies, including the ones for the celebrated cartoon feature=20
Heavy Metal:
Lucca Comics must also celebrate the birthday of the most long-living=20
character among the great protagonist of Italian cartooning: Tex=20
Willer the cow-boy, created half a century ago by Gian Luigi Bonelli=20
and drawn by Aurelio Galleppini.
The celebrations can count on the original drawings of one of the most=20
important and appreciated artist for the serial, GUGLIELMO LETTERI. He=20
will meet his fans for the first time in another great exhibit=20
documenting his three decades and a half at the service of the =D2Aquil=
a=20
della Notte=D3 (from the El Morisco cycle to the long Oklahoma). There=20
will be displayed also Letteri=D5s stories never published in Italy,=20
drawn for the English and South American markets: real discoveries of=20
great interest for the lovers of comic book adventures.
The long awaited MOSTRA MERCATO DEI COMICS will be held in the week=20
end from the 30th of October to the 1st of November in the Festival=20
area including, as usual, the Palasport and the nearby tents. Inside=20
will be back the usual sections dedicated to the book and magazines=20
market, the conference rooms, the meetings, an INTERNATIONAL AREA for=20
people from other countries, LUCCA JUNIOR for children, LUCCA GAMES,=20
VIDEOLUCCA and a multimedia ALTER VOX.
THE CARTOON MOVIES ARE BACK=09
We are working to display a rich gallery of movies (both in film and=20
in videotape) thanks to a working pact with the other great festival=20
held in the Provincia of Lucca: Europa Cinema in Viareggio. Together=20
with Europa Cinema, Lucca Comics will show short and feature films,=20
with previews and surprises, thanks also to our new =D2special=20
correspondent=D3, the critic Thomas Martinelli.
AWARDS AT LUCCA COMICS
As yesteryear, the 31st of October there will be the NIGHT OF THE=20
STATUES: during the night will be given the Panthers and the other=20
acknowledgements assigned by an International Jury. And, again as=20
yesteryear, the Lucca Comics=D5 Scientific Committee will assign also=20
the Maestro awards.
Moreover, this year will be given for the first times two awards=20
created by well known magazines. The =D2Fumo di China=D3 awards, assig=
ned=20
by the readers of this critical monthly (the forms for the ballot will=20
be printed on issue #60, on the news-stand in September) will be=20
=D2popular awards=D3, in contrast with the awards assigned by the Jury;=
=20
while the magazine =D2Kaos=D3 promoted an illustration exhibit, the =D2=
KAOS=20
Art Contest=D3, for illustrators in the field of fantasy.
PAY ATTENTION! Even in Autumn your ticket IS MORE VALUABLE! Acting in=20
behalf of Lucca Comics, Nessim Vaturi (from Libreria dell=D5Immagine)=20
will follow the usual KAPPY. At the ticket office, together with the=20
GUIDA DELLA RASSEGNA (=D2Guide to the Festival=D3, printed in tens of=20
thousands of copies) containing plants and useful information, you=20
will receive a sheet of cardboard with the traditional twelve (12!)=20
=D2round figures=D3 that will allow you to have discounted prices or=20
prizes at the participating stands. Of course, you can also choose of=20
keeping the KAPPY, or of selling or bartering them, since they are=20
already becoming collector=D5s items!!!
It seems that my last mail didn't reach you, for some miske I made,=20
maybe.
I know that some guys of you were gonna sking to me when Luciano=20
bottaro shall come to Lucca, to speak with him (and to the other=20
Disney artists and story men around there, like Carpi, Rebuffi, Sisto,=20
Marconi, Cavazzano, Schroeder and many, many others).
Well, Leonardo Gori, who shall host a presentation on "ancient"=20
italian Disney comics, suggests to have an ufficial meting with all=20
the people of the Disney data Base and/or Disney Mailing List who wish=20
to be there.
For Lucca's organization it's possible. The day shall be Saturday=20
Oct.31, in the afternoon, I assume.
All the DDB e DML subscrivers who want to meet artists and hosts, with=20
some other 40.000 (!) persons (around 10.000 each day), can write=20
their desire (and their namse) here, to the DML. I'll provide a free=20
pass for them, to visit all the exhibitions and the marketplace.
and I'll write this meeting in the official booklet, distributed in=20
40.000 item to all the visitos, columnists and so on.
I think we shall not be able to pay free meals and things like those=20
(we have no money enough), but you'll have free access to all the=20
events, include the Award Presentations, with lots of people from all=20
the world, included atrists from USA, France, Germany, England and so=20
on.
I add some notes (written by our collaborator Mirko Tavosanis) about=20
the first presentation of the convention, so you'll have more=20
informations about this (very big) event. More infos in next messages,=20
if requested.
NEWS ABOUT LUCCA COMICS, AUTUMN =D598
This time the meeting will be centred around Science Fiction and its=20
most interesting representatives in comics.
The exhibits will be opened since Saturday 24th of October to Sunday=20
8th of November. For the first time you will see in depth half a=20
century of Italian science fiction comics. The great exhibit is=20
tagged, for the moment, as DA REBO A BRENDON (=D2From Rebo to Brendon=D3=
):=20
it displays hundreds of drawings and original magazines, together with=20
famous characters as Nathan Never or Cybersix. The exhibit also=20
unveils the roots of Italian science fiction comics, discovering=20
unknown or forgotten items: Franco Caprioli=D5s spectacular dioramas fo=
r=20
the Catholic weekly =D2Il Vittorioso=D3; a surprising space opera by su=
ch=20
a big name as Aurelio Galleppini; the E. C. Comics-inspired work by=20
Carlo Peroni for =D2Il Pioniere=D3... Plus, the alien landscapes by=20
Roberto Bonadimani; the astonishing powers held by Loredano Ugolini=D5s=
=20
Atlas; the stories of Giorgio Rebuffi=D5s galactic salesman; the =D2com=
ic=20
post-holocaust=D3 by Luciano Bottaro, who also drew the wonderful poste=
r=20
for the festival.
There will be also the latest cyborg-like characters: from the serials=20
created by Giuseppe Palumbo, Marco Nizzoli and Daniele Brolli for the=20
Phoenix publishing house, to Graziano Origa=D5s VideoMax and to the=20
Bonelli characters Legs Weaver and Brendon. They are the latest=20
representatives of a long series of heroes beginning with the evil=20
Rebo, the tyrant of Saturn created by writer Cesare Zavattini together=20
with artist Giovanni Scolari and Federico Pedrocchi.
Special attention is also paid to the SF MADE IN EURA, the publishing=20
house celebrated especially for the popular weeklies =D2Lanciostory=D3 =
and=20
=D2Skorpio=D3. Since decades, on their pages appear important serials a=
nd=20
one-shots devoted to science fiction and created by such authors as=20
Franco Saudelli, Rodolfo Torti, Massimo Rotundo, Lorenzo Bartoli and=20
Massimo Carnevale, among many others.
A great personal exhibit will be dedicated to the Spanish illustrator=20
and comic book artist JUAN GIMENEZ. It will display 250 spectacular=20
items: original works for comics as well as illustrations and drawings=20
for movies, including the ones for the celebrated cartoon feature=20
Heavy Metal:
Lucca Comics must also celebrate the birthday of the most long-living=20
character among the great protagonist of Italian cartooning: Tex=20
Willer the cow-boy, created half a century ago by Gian Luigi Bonelli=20
and drawn by Aurelio Galleppini.
The celebrations can count on the original drawings of one of the most=20
important and appreciated artist for the serial, GUGLIELMO LETTERI. He=20
will meet his fans for the first time in another great exhibit=20
documenting his three decades and a half at the service of the =D2Aquil=
a=20
della Notte=D3 (from the El Morisco cycle to the long Oklahoma). There=20
will be displayed also Letteri=D5s stories never published in Italy,=20
drawn for the English and South American markets: real discoveries of=20
great interest for the lovers of comic book adventures.
The long awaited MOSTRA MERCATO DEI COMICS will be held in the week=20
end from the 30th of October to the 1st of November in the Festival=20
area including, as usual, the Palasport and the nearby tents. Inside=20
will be back the usual sections dedicated to the book and magazines=20
market, the conference rooms, the meetings, an INTERNATIONAL AREA for=20
people from other countries, LUCCA JUNIOR for children, LUCCA GAMES,=20
VIDEOLUCCA and a multimedia ALTER VOX.
THE CARTOON MOVIES ARE BACK=09
We are working to display a rich gallery of movies (both in film and=20
in videotape) thanks to a working pact with the other great festival=20
held in the Provincia of Lucca: Europa Cinema in Viareggio. Together=20
with Europa Cinema, Lucca Comics will show short and feature films,=20
with previews and surprises, thanks also to our new =D2special=20
correspondent=D3, the critic Thomas Martinelli.
AWARDS AT LUCCA COMICS
As yesteryear, the 31st of October there will be the NIGHT OF THE=20
STATUES: during the night will be given the Panthers and the other=20
acknowledgements assigned by an International Jury. And, again as=20
yesteryear, the Lucca Comics=D5 Scientific Committee will assign also=20
the Maestro awards.
Moreover, this year will be given for the first times two awards=20
created by well known magazines. The =D2Fumo di China=D3 awards, assig=
ned=20
by the readers of this critical monthly (the forms for the ballot will=20
be printed on issue #60, on the news-stand in September) will be=20
=D2popular awards=D3, in contrast with the awards assigned by the Jury;=
=20
while the magazine =D2Kaos=D3 promoted an illustration exhibit, the =D2=
KAOS=20
Art Contest=D3, for illustrators in the field of fantasy.
PAY ATTENTION! Even in Autumn your ticket IS MORE VALUABLE! Acting in=20
behalf of Lucca Comics, Nessim Vaturi (from Libreria dell=D5Immagine)=20
will follow the usual KAPPY. At the ticket office, together with the=20
GUIDA DELLA RASSEGNA (=D2Guide to the Festival=D3, printed in tens of=20
thousands of copies) containing plants and useful information, you=20
will receive a sheet of cardboard with the traditional twelve (12!)=20
=D2round figures=D3 that will allow you to have discounted prices or=20
prizes at the participating stands. Of course, you can also choose of=20
keeping the KAPPY, or of selling or bartering them, since they are=20
already becoming collector=D5s items!!!