DAVID GERSTEIN, 18 September 1998:
> As for Scamp, I second the motion that he's a good character
> who's never really been in a truly memorable story. I hope
> someone proves me wrong, though.
Al Hubbard made some very nice ones. I don't remember if the
stories themselves were great, but the art and the atmosphere
surely were. I hope to see more of Hubbard's art reprinted, in
particular his Fethry ones.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
Author
Topic: 199809
(311 messages)
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Al Hubbard
Message 226 -
1998-09-22 at 21:24:25
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Anders
Message 227 -
1998-09-22 at 21:26:24
ANDERS SIVEBAEK to me, 18 September 1998:
> D 97052, thank you so much for informing me about that. but
> it's page 5, panel 2!
You're right! Sorry for the confusion.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
> D 97052, thank you so much for informing me about that. but
> it's page 5, panel 2!
You're right! Sorry for the confusion.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
Daniel Van Eijmeren
I'm no member anymore
Message 228 -
1998-09-22 at 22:19:33
Hi!
This is my last contribution to this Mailing List. Right after this
e-mail I will send a message to the administrator-address to
unsubscribe. This has nothing to do with the e-mail I just wrote
about the Carl Barks Studio page on my website. The reason is that
I don't think the subjects here are as varied and as free as they
were in the early years. Another reason is that it's not easy
anymore to contribute Barks-content without joining the 'Barks-
rebuilding' trend of the later years. Also, I don't like the jabs at
translators who don't do a literal translations even if words are
untranslatable puns. Maybe everyone is still polite here, but I bet
that a lot of people have unsubscribed or just stopped contributing
because of this (some people even have said this to me in private).
I want to *enjoy* my Disney comics hobby, I think some people treat
it as a *religion* here. That's their freedom of expression, but
I don't want to follow it anymore.
If anyone wants to contact me in private mail, please use the address
"(Email removed)" as this address soon will be closed.
Goodbye,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
This is my last contribution to this Mailing List. Right after this
e-mail I will send a message to the administrator-address to
unsubscribe. This has nothing to do with the e-mail I just wrote
about the Carl Barks Studio page on my website. The reason is that
I don't think the subjects here are as varied and as free as they
were in the early years. Another reason is that it's not easy
anymore to contribute Barks-content without joining the 'Barks-
rebuilding' trend of the later years. Also, I don't like the jabs at
translators who don't do a literal translations even if words are
untranslatable puns. Maybe everyone is still polite here, but I bet
that a lot of people have unsubscribed or just stopped contributing
because of this (some people even have said this to me in private).
I want to *enjoy* my Disney comics hobby, I think some people treat
it as a *religion* here. That's their freedom of expression, but
I don't want to follow it anymore.
If anyone wants to contact me in private mail, please use the address
"(Email removed)" as this address soon will be closed.
Goodbye,
--- Daniel
http://www.caiw.nl/~dve/barks/index.html
DarrellR
THANKS!!!!!
Message 229 -
1998-09-23 at 05:29:17
Harry Fluks wrote:
>Darell scanned a big part of this cover, and Marco Barlotti was so kind
>to put it on his website:
> http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/scans/cover1.jpg
>So now we can ask all of you: any idea who drew this?
>Personally, I think it's Pete Alvarado.
Thanks Harry and Marco!!!!! I'm looking forward to seeing if this sparks=
any debate amongst those of you here who are familiar with various artist=
ic
styles for the DUCKS... =
Thanks again.
Darrell R. =
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #234
******************************************
>Darell scanned a big part of this cover, and Marco Barlotti was so kind
>to put it on his website:
> http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/scans/cover1.jpg
>So now we can ask all of you: any idea who drew this?
>Personally, I think it's Pete Alvarado.
Thanks Harry and Marco!!!!! I'm looking forward to seeing if this sparks=
any debate amongst those of you here who are familiar with various artist=
ic
styles for the DUCKS... =
Thanks again.
Darrell R. =
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #234
******************************************
Don Rosa
Digest #234
Message 230 -
1998-09-23 at 08:36:14
From: "Stahl, Joachim GE - EV"
>>>>There is even time enough to redraw some panels - for example,
if by mistake a Duckburgian jet-fighter is marked with the US-white star
like in one of Don Rosa's stories that I remember.
That was no mistake.
I have visited Germany and talked to enough German Duckfans to know how much
Erika Fuchs' version of Duckburg is beloved... even to the point that when
old stories are reprinted, German Duckfans are upset when the translator
attempts to restore Barks' original intentions and dialogue and names rather
than repeating Fuchs' altered versions. And I have no doubt that her
versions are simply wonderful... I understand that some of her contributions
to the German Duck comics have become words and names and phrases that are
now part of the German culture.
But the fact remains, and will forever make your job difficult,
*particularly* when dealing with stories written/drawn by Americans who grew
up on Barks' originals, that Fuch's version of the Duckburg Universe is
*not* the original version. Her translations were, from what I understand,
not intended to be accurate. Germany's view of Duckburg is not that of any
other publisher. I have a deep respect for tradition (much deeper than most
Americans, I think), and I would not want you to offend or confuse your
readers by using my stories (or others) in their original intended versions.
(I still feel positive that using some creators' names in a tribute one time
in one panel in 60 years could have been allowed without too much trouble,
especially if you had footnoted the reference somewhere in the issue --
*surely* the original creators deserve *that* much respect, one footnote in
60 years?) My solution would be for you to *not* use my stories if you
intended to "sabotage" historical references or harmless tributes... I'd
lose no (nonexistant) royalties and it would save us both grief. But I (and
other Disney comics freelancers) am in the unique position among the world
of writers and artists in that I have *no* control over who uses my work,
how it is used or how it is *changed*, or am I consulted or informed when
such changes are made. I wonder if you, as an editor who does not work
directly with the creators of the stories you edit, can imagine how
frustrating that is for those writers or artists who put a *great* deal of
love and care and thought into their work? But you've been given a job to
maintain some certain tradition which differs from the original, and that's
what must be done.
What's the solution? Easy answer: there is none. I'll prepare myself for
future grumbling as I have been preparing myself for the past 9 years since
realizing my stories are being used and re-used in about twenty or thirty
different countries. And, truth be told, in the vast majority of the
countries, the translations are always quite accurate and highly gratifying.
But I still have to beg and scrounge to even obtain copies of any but a few
of these editions, so I never actually know how the stories are being used
most of the time. For example, Germany is the only Egmont and/or Disney
publisher in Europe who does not send me copies of their Disney flagship
comic... so all I know of the German version is the comments/complaints that
are sent to me by readers. As you'll note, in this instance I could only say
I was commenting on what had been reported to me by various sources, not
what I had seen for myself.
>>>>There is even time enough to redraw some panels - for example,
if by mistake a Duckburgian jet-fighter is marked with the US-white star
like in one of Don Rosa's stories that I remember.
That was no mistake.
I have visited Germany and talked to enough German Duckfans to know how much
Erika Fuchs' version of Duckburg is beloved... even to the point that when
old stories are reprinted, German Duckfans are upset when the translator
attempts to restore Barks' original intentions and dialogue and names rather
than repeating Fuchs' altered versions. And I have no doubt that her
versions are simply wonderful... I understand that some of her contributions
to the German Duck comics have become words and names and phrases that are
now part of the German culture.
But the fact remains, and will forever make your job difficult,
*particularly* when dealing with stories written/drawn by Americans who grew
up on Barks' originals, that Fuch's version of the Duckburg Universe is
*not* the original version. Her translations were, from what I understand,
not intended to be accurate. Germany's view of Duckburg is not that of any
other publisher. I have a deep respect for tradition (much deeper than most
Americans, I think), and I would not want you to offend or confuse your
readers by using my stories (or others) in their original intended versions.
(I still feel positive that using some creators' names in a tribute one time
in one panel in 60 years could have been allowed without too much trouble,
especially if you had footnoted the reference somewhere in the issue --
*surely* the original creators deserve *that* much respect, one footnote in
60 years?) My solution would be for you to *not* use my stories if you
intended to "sabotage" historical references or harmless tributes... I'd
lose no (nonexistant) royalties and it would save us both grief. But I (and
other Disney comics freelancers) am in the unique position among the world
of writers and artists in that I have *no* control over who uses my work,
how it is used or how it is *changed*, or am I consulted or informed when
such changes are made. I wonder if you, as an editor who does not work
directly with the creators of the stories you edit, can imagine how
frustrating that is for those writers or artists who put a *great* deal of
love and care and thought into their work? But you've been given a job to
maintain some certain tradition which differs from the original, and that's
what must be done.
What's the solution? Easy answer: there is none. I'll prepare myself for
future grumbling as I have been preparing myself for the past 9 years since
realizing my stories are being used and re-used in about twenty or thirty
different countries. And, truth be told, in the vast majority of the
countries, the translations are always quite accurate and highly gratifying.
But I still have to beg and scrounge to even obtain copies of any but a few
of these editions, so I never actually know how the stories are being used
most of the time. For example, Germany is the only Egmont and/or Disney
publisher in Europe who does not send me copies of their Disney flagship
comic... so all I know of the German version is the comments/complaints that
are sent to me by readers. As you'll note, in this instance I could only say
I was commenting on what had been reported to me by various sources, not
what I had seen for myself.
Don Rosa
DIGEST #234
Message 231 -
1998-09-23 at 09:00:13
From: "Heitmann, Owen James
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm
really not a prying kind of person, but I would have rather had none of the
story than teasers like that.
Look, I'm not even sure that I really want to know what happened, since it
sounds like a pretty depressing business. But the use of a kind of
exclusionist
code is a bit annoying.
Sorry about that. But Donald M put me in a spot where I had to send some
response, even if only to say I would send no response. And I had trouble
wording it for both the people who have been here for years and know all the
details and expect/want me to say more, and all the latecomers who (as you
guessed yourself) are better off and happier not knowing the sordid details.
So it was unavoidable that I would seem to say too much and not nearly
enough.
And I've been thinking of how sorry I am for how Daniel van E feels
frustrated... so much so that he has dropped off this ML. I know what he
means. There was a time late last year that someone on here took so much of
my own fun out of discussing my favorite comics, with his hostile attacks on
me as changing the personalities of his favorite characters which he
religiously defended, and accusing me of being arrogant for not responding
to all of my critics fast enough... and I was so saddened that I decided to
become merely a lurker here for some months myself. So I know how Dan van E
feels! (And yes, Owen... I'm doing it to you again!)
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm
really not a prying kind of person, but I would have rather had none of the
story than teasers like that.
Look, I'm not even sure that I really want to know what happened, since it
sounds like a pretty depressing business. But the use of a kind of
exclusionist
code is a bit annoying.
Sorry about that. But Donald M put me in a spot where I had to send some
response, even if only to say I would send no response. And I had trouble
wording it for both the people who have been here for years and know all the
details and expect/want me to say more, and all the latecomers who (as you
guessed yourself) are better off and happier not knowing the sordid details.
So it was unavoidable that I would seem to say too much and not nearly
enough.
And I've been thinking of how sorry I am for how Daniel van E feels
frustrated... so much so that he has dropped off this ML. I know what he
means. There was a time late last year that someone on here took so much of
my own fun out of discussing my favorite comics, with his hostile attacks on
me as changing the personalities of his favorite characters which he
religiously defended, and accusing me of being arrogant for not responding
to all of my critics fast enough... and I was so saddened that I decided to
become merely a lurker here for some months myself. So I know how Dan van E
feels! (And yes, Owen... I'm doing it to you again!)
Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #234
Message 232 -
1998-09-23 at 10:04:57
DON:
> How about including Don Rosa's Duck Family Tree *and* Don Rosa?
Done! :-)
> Somebody
> (you?) once told me that the way my name is spelled in KOMIX, the Greek
> editor is mispronouncing my name....
Actually, what I'd done was *ask* you whether KOMIX is mispronouncing
your name, as "Rossa" sounded too strange to my ears. [The first
phrase, that anyone in Greece who's taken Latin at school learns, is
"Regina rosas amat" (the queen loves roses), and we are taught to
pronounce it "rozas", not to mention that the modern Greek word for
"pink" is "roz", derived from the French word "rose" which means the
same as in English.]
> And if all of that is true, how *should* KOMIX spell my name (though I
> wonder if you can show us here)?
Why, "NTON POZA", of course, which in lower case would look something like
"Ntov Poza", except that the "z" is a more fancy version, with ascenders and
descenders, and there is an accent on the "o".
I've mailed you a small picture where you can see exactly what I'm talking
about.
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"We'll all become unpeople, undoing unthings untogether."
-----
> How about including Don Rosa's Duck Family Tree *and* Don Rosa?
Done! :-)
> Somebody
> (you?) once told me that the way my name is spelled in KOMIX, the Greek
> editor is mispronouncing my name....
Actually, what I'd done was *ask* you whether KOMIX is mispronouncing
your name, as "Rossa" sounded too strange to my ears. [The first
phrase, that anyone in Greece who's taken Latin at school learns, is
"Regina rosas amat" (the queen loves roses), and we are taught to
pronounce it "rozas", not to mention that the modern Greek word for
"pink" is "roz", derived from the French word "rose" which means the
same as in English.]
> And if all of that is true, how *should* KOMIX spell my name (though I
> wonder if you can show us here)?
Why, "NTON POZA", of course, which in lower case would look something like
"Ntov Poza", except that the "z" is a more fancy version, with ascenders and
descenders, and there is an accent on the "o".
I've mailed you a small picture where you can see exactly what I'm talking
about.
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"We'll all become unpeople, undoing unthings untogether."
-----
Xephyr
CASEY & SCAMP :-)
Message 233 -
1998-09-23 at 10:35:46
Paolo Castagno:
> He [Det. Casey] first appeared on 14 sep 1938 in "The Plumber's Helper"
> (YM 036), without O'Hara, the one in the phantom Blot was his second
> appearance.
I have never had the pleasure of reading this tale, but I have seen
pictures of the character Joe Piper from it. Is there any connection
between Piper & Casey? Except for the stogie, they look very similar.
As for Scamp, it is so nice to see him get some actual recognition
for a change. :-) And speaking of that very issue. The rumor concerning
his animation debut (of sorts) is now confirmed to be true. The recent
re-release of the video "Lady and the Tramp" gave an brief report about
the 'currently-in-the-works' "Lady and the Tramp II" called (drumroll
please)..... "Scamp's Adventure." It's due out late next year. :-)
....Now back to your regularly scheduled program. :-)
Rich (xephyr)
> He [Det. Casey] first appeared on 14 sep 1938 in "The Plumber's Helper"
> (YM 036), without O'Hara, the one in the phantom Blot was his second
> appearance.
I have never had the pleasure of reading this tale, but I have seen
pictures of the character Joe Piper from it. Is there any connection
between Piper & Casey? Except for the stogie, they look very similar.
As for Scamp, it is so nice to see him get some actual recognition
for a change. :-) And speaking of that very issue. The rumor concerning
his animation debut (of sorts) is now confirmed to be true. The recent
re-release of the video "Lady and the Tramp" gave an brief report about
the 'currently-in-the-works' "Lady and the Tramp II" called (drumroll
please)..... "Scamp's Adventure." It's due out late next year. :-)
....Now back to your regularly scheduled program. :-)
Rich (xephyr)
Kriton Kyrimis
Uncle $crooge 312
Message 234 -
1998-09-23 at 22:19:18
*** SPOILERS FOR "THE HANDS OF ZEUS" ***
I finally received U$ 312, and I got to enjoy "The Hands of Zeus", which
was easily the best story in that book, not just because yours truly
makes an appearance there, thanks to David Gerstein's American script.
A public thank you to David!
Since this is one of only a few stories set in Greece, I hope you'll
permit me to take it apart, before praising it.
* In page 5, panel 1, we are asked to believe that those 200 acres
are in Athens, even though a small, walled village is shown in the
background. (I won't bother to mention that Greek villages aren't
wallled, though, come to think of it, I just did!) If you had 200 acres
of unbuilt land in Athens, you'd be extremely rich, even if it was
completely infertile. Real estate in Athens may not be as expensive
as in Tokyo, but it's quite close; 200 acres would definitely be worth
more than a month's rent! Of course, "Kriton", in page 7, panel 5,
makes it clear that it is a one-hotel village we're talking about,
and not Athens! "Kriton"'s riding a donkey confirms this, as there
aren't any donkeys in Athens.
* What is it that "Kriton" is wearing? At a guess, I'd say he's wearing
Russian clothes (and I'd probably be wrong). A fur hat? In Greece? In
late spring, when the cherries fall off the trees? (Page 9, panel 3.)
A straw hat (and one for the donkey with holes for its ears!) would
be more likely.
* Although "Startofinis" sounds vaguely like a Greek name (I had to look
it up in the Athens phone book to make sure that it isn't!)
"Dongettuklos" sounds to me more central European than Greek.
* "Mountian" (page 4, panel 3) is not spelled that way...
Despite these (minor) gripes, I think this was an excellent story,
showing what would have happened in "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone"
had Scrooge gotten to keep the stone. What's more, coming from a god
rather than being man-made, the punishment for keeping the means for
making unlimited gold was much more subtle, and the reward for letting
it go was a lot richer. I can only hope that Disney don't get any angry
letters from people complaining that this story is promoting paganism!
(I can already see it: millions of new converts performing libation to
Zeus, goblet of wine in one hand, and a copy of Uncle $crooge 312 in
the other!!!)
Given that the instructions for finding treasure in Greece are something
like: a. pick a random site b. dig or dive, depending on what you picked,
I'm surprised there aren't more Uncle Scrooge stories set in Greece. Apart
from Barks' "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone", this is the only other
story I can think off-hand. Perhaps nit-picky Greeks griping about the
author's not getting the facts exactly right (there's an error in Barks'
story, too!) may have something to do with it.
*** END SPOILERS ***
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"One good solid hope's worth a cartload of certainties!"
-----
I finally received U$ 312, and I got to enjoy "The Hands of Zeus", which
was easily the best story in that book, not just because yours truly
makes an appearance there, thanks to David Gerstein's American script.
A public thank you to David!
Since this is one of only a few stories set in Greece, I hope you'll
permit me to take it apart, before praising it.
* In page 5, panel 1, we are asked to believe that those 200 acres
are in Athens, even though a small, walled village is shown in the
background. (I won't bother to mention that Greek villages aren't
wallled, though, come to think of it, I just did!) If you had 200 acres
of unbuilt land in Athens, you'd be extremely rich, even if it was
completely infertile. Real estate in Athens may not be as expensive
as in Tokyo, but it's quite close; 200 acres would definitely be worth
more than a month's rent! Of course, "Kriton", in page 7, panel 5,
makes it clear that it is a one-hotel village we're talking about,
and not Athens! "Kriton"'s riding a donkey confirms this, as there
aren't any donkeys in Athens.
* What is it that "Kriton" is wearing? At a guess, I'd say he's wearing
Russian clothes (and I'd probably be wrong). A fur hat? In Greece? In
late spring, when the cherries fall off the trees? (Page 9, panel 3.)
A straw hat (and one for the donkey with holes for its ears!) would
be more likely.
* Although "Startofinis" sounds vaguely like a Greek name (I had to look
it up in the Athens phone book to make sure that it isn't!)
"Dongettuklos" sounds to me more central European than Greek.
* "Mountian" (page 4, panel 3) is not spelled that way...
Despite these (minor) gripes, I think this was an excellent story,
showing what would have happened in "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone"
had Scrooge gotten to keep the stone. What's more, coming from a god
rather than being man-made, the punishment for keeping the means for
making unlimited gold was much more subtle, and the reward for letting
it go was a lot richer. I can only hope that Disney don't get any angry
letters from people complaining that this story is promoting paganism!
(I can already see it: millions of new converts performing libation to
Zeus, goblet of wine in one hand, and a copy of Uncle $crooge 312 in
the other!!!)
Given that the instructions for finding treasure in Greece are something
like: a. pick a random site b. dig or dive, depending on what you picked,
I'm surprised there aren't more Uncle Scrooge stories set in Greece. Apart
from Barks' "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone", this is the only other
story I can think off-hand. Perhaps nit-picky Greeks griping about the
author's not getting the facts exactly right (there's an error in Barks'
story, too!) may have something to do with it.
*** END SPOILERS ***
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"One good solid hope's worth a cartload of certainties!"
-----
Per-Erik Malmström
Uncle $crooge 312
Message 235 -
1998-09-23 at 22:59:00
KRITON:
> * Although "Startofinis" sounds vaguely like a Greek name (I had to look
> it up in the Athens phone book to make sure that it isn't!)
> "Dongettuklos" sounds to me more central European than Greek.
They both sound Greenglish to me!
Best,
Per-Erik
> * Although "Startofinis" sounds vaguely like a Greek name (I had to look
> it up in the Athens phone book to make sure that it isn't!)
> "Dongettuklos" sounds to me more central European than Greek.
They both sound Greenglish to me!
Best,
Per-Erik
Xfabri
Lucca
Message 236 -
1998-09-24 at 01:07:08
Luca Boschi:
> >To MARCO (an all)
> >
> >> >All the DDB e DML subscrivers who want to meet artists and hosts, with
> >> >some other 40.000 (!) persons (around 10.000 each day), can write
> >> >their desire (and their namse) here, to the DML. I'll provide a free
> >> >pass for them, to visit all the exhibitions and the marketplace.
> >Well, so, for now, from the DML in Lucca Comics shall come Harry,
> >Marcobar, Leonardo Gori, Luna Storta, (me), Mirko Tavosanis, Fabio
> >Gadducci, Gianfranco Goria...
> >Forgot I someone?
I would like to come too.
May I have one of those passes ?
Thanks
Fabrizio C.
> >To MARCO (an all)
> >
> >> >All the DDB e DML subscrivers who want to meet artists and hosts, with
> >> >some other 40.000 (!) persons (around 10.000 each day), can write
> >> >their desire (and their namse) here, to the DML. I'll provide a free
> >> >pass for them, to visit all the exhibitions and the marketplace.
> >Well, so, for now, from the DML in Lucca Comics shall come Harry,
> >Marcobar, Leonardo Gori, Luna Storta, (me), Mirko Tavosanis, Fabio
> >Gadducci, Gianfranco Goria...
> >Forgot I someone?
I would like to come too.
May I have one of those passes ?
Thanks
Fabrizio C.
Dennis Tzavaras
Digest v98 #233 etc. etc.
Message 237 -
1998-09-24 at 01:15:44
Hello everybody,
Just leave it to Murphy's law! Here I was posting for the first time in this list and Mailcity goes off-line meaning I don't know if my e-mails of the past few days reached their recipients. Is it any wonder that I identify w/ Donald and Magica??
Anyway, on to some comments:
ANDERS CHRISTIAN wrote:
A big welcome to Dionysios, (Do I get to think of wine here ;-))allthough I cannot pronounce your last name!I like Jenny and Magica too! It's good that someone can correct those
Thank you for your welcome. Yes, my name derives from Dionysos, the ancient god of wine, orgies and metaphysics(sort of), but no I'm not like him. Hmmm come to think of it....metaphysics + Magica + my birthday on October 30.....hmm...
Well, I'd like to contribute to the characters database, I know most of the missing Greek names but who do I send a list to?
You like Magica, Brigitta (and, hopefully, Hazel too?) Great. What's your favorite Magica stories? BTW, my last name is pronounced Jav-Arras.
KRITON wrote:
I am especially interested indifferent names for the same character, as they evolved with time.
I know some of their names, particularly in that very old series Gelio kai Hara (Laugh And Joy) and how they evolved, or devolved, over time. I'll send you a list in a private e-mail. Speaking of private e-mails, have you received my mail of 3-4 days ago?
Oh. That page w/ the Greek Disney names and the pronunciation key is fantastic! Have you studied linguistics??? :)
DON ROSA, KATIE SULLIVAN
Mr Rosa, thank you so much for your e-mail. A reply has already been sent tonight. :)
Katie, have you received *both* my e-mails re that Scrooge-Magica story? Pls confirm.
Speaking of Magica stories, or witch stories in general here's a small list of stories I've absolutely loved. *Possible spoilers*
The Midas Touch (natch!): First appearance of Magica. No comment!
The Unsafe Safe: Magica shows all her anger and frustration. The last few panels are so hilarious that even when I'm depressed, thinking about them makes me ROFL!
Of Ducks, Dimes and Destinies: That story is pure science fiction. It's got everything time travel, time paradoxes, a dash of metaphysics (or what passes
for metaphysics in the Duck universe. After all, magic *works* there
and follows particular laws). And the interaction between Scrooge and
Magica is priceless. I wonder if Magica'll ever realize she actually helped
Scrooge build his fearless character in that story. If one Magica story was
to be *novelized* that's the one I'd choose!!!
Amelia e l'ipotesi di vittoria(Magica and the victory hypothesis): Published in Topolino #2059, story: Nino Russo, art: Enrico Faccini(sp?) it's a *what-if* story . What if
Magica actually managed to get Scrooge's dime????? That story could have
been a 50-pager, or more. I won't spoil the story for you but it really tackles
many questions. What'd *really* happen to Scrooge. How'd Magica react to
so much sudden wealth? What about Magica's witchy colleagues? Is Magica
a businesswoman or a witch deep down inside? As it is, that story'd be perfect
if it had been bigger.
On A Silver Plate: One of the funniest and most original Magica stories I've ever read! A real
hoot! Oh, how I wish there were more stories like that. And it also shows
that Magica *does* have a sense of humor! Which brings me to the last story
of my list, (and you to the end of your torture). ;))
Amelia e la Rinuncia alla Numero Uno(Magica Renounces the Lucky Dime): Published in
Topolino #2232, story: Antonella Pandini, art: Comicup. This is the most
touching and *human* Magica story ever. I won't tell you why and how
she just lets her lucky-dime obsession go but what it boils down to is that
our lovely volcano of a witch is a more complex character than we ever
thought she was. That deep down she is more of an anti-hero than a villain
and for once, even Scrooge realizes how decent she is. Just for that one time!
OK, that's all for now. I promise my next mails will be briefer. Hmmm, no, I want to tell you about those old Italian gems, the Witch Hazel-Goofy stories. So, be warned! ;))))
Dionysios
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Just leave it to Murphy's law! Here I was posting for the first time in this list and Mailcity goes off-line meaning I don't know if my e-mails of the past few days reached their recipients. Is it any wonder that I identify w/ Donald and Magica??
Anyway, on to some comments:
ANDERS CHRISTIAN wrote:
A big welcome to Dionysios, (Do I get to think of wine here ;-))allthough I cannot pronounce your last name!I like Jenny and Magica too! It's good that someone can correct those
Thank you for your welcome. Yes, my name derives from Dionysos, the ancient god of wine, orgies and metaphysics(sort of), but no I'm not like him. Hmmm come to think of it....metaphysics + Magica + my birthday on October 30.....hmm...
Well, I'd like to contribute to the characters database, I know most of the missing Greek names but who do I send a list to?
You like Magica, Brigitta (and, hopefully, Hazel too?) Great. What's your favorite Magica stories? BTW, my last name is pronounced Jav-Arras.
KRITON wrote:
I am especially interested indifferent names for the same character, as they evolved with time.
I know some of their names, particularly in that very old series Gelio kai Hara (Laugh And Joy) and how they evolved, or devolved, over time. I'll send you a list in a private e-mail. Speaking of private e-mails, have you received my mail of 3-4 days ago?
Oh. That page w/ the Greek Disney names and the pronunciation key is fantastic! Have you studied linguistics??? :)
DON ROSA, KATIE SULLIVAN
Mr Rosa, thank you so much for your e-mail. A reply has already been sent tonight. :)
Katie, have you received *both* my e-mails re that Scrooge-Magica story? Pls confirm.
Speaking of Magica stories, or witch stories in general here's a small list of stories I've absolutely loved. *Possible spoilers*
The Midas Touch (natch!): First appearance of Magica. No comment!
The Unsafe Safe: Magica shows all her anger and frustration. The last few panels are so hilarious that even when I'm depressed, thinking about them makes me ROFL!
Of Ducks, Dimes and Destinies: That story is pure science fiction. It's got everything time travel, time paradoxes, a dash of metaphysics (or what passes
for metaphysics in the Duck universe. After all, magic *works* there
and follows particular laws). And the interaction between Scrooge and
Magica is priceless. I wonder if Magica'll ever realize she actually helped
Scrooge build his fearless character in that story. If one Magica story was
to be *novelized* that's the one I'd choose!!!
Amelia e l'ipotesi di vittoria(Magica and the victory hypothesis): Published in Topolino #2059, story: Nino Russo, art: Enrico Faccini(sp?) it's a *what-if* story . What if
Magica actually managed to get Scrooge's dime????? That story could have
been a 50-pager, or more. I won't spoil the story for you but it really tackles
many questions. What'd *really* happen to Scrooge. How'd Magica react to
so much sudden wealth? What about Magica's witchy colleagues? Is Magica
a businesswoman or a witch deep down inside? As it is, that story'd be perfect
if it had been bigger.
On A Silver Plate: One of the funniest and most original Magica stories I've ever read! A real
hoot! Oh, how I wish there were more stories like that. And it also shows
that Magica *does* have a sense of humor! Which brings me to the last story
of my list, (and you to the end of your torture). ;))
Amelia e la Rinuncia alla Numero Uno(Magica Renounces the Lucky Dime): Published in
Topolino #2232, story: Antonella Pandini, art: Comicup. This is the most
touching and *human* Magica story ever. I won't tell you why and how
she just lets her lucky-dime obsession go but what it boils down to is that
our lovely volcano of a witch is a more complex character than we ever
thought she was. That deep down she is more of an anti-hero than a villain
and for once, even Scrooge realizes how decent she is. Just for that one time!
OK, that's all for now. I promise my next mails will be briefer. Hmmm, no, I want to tell you about those old Italian gems, the Witch Hazel-Goofy stories. So, be warned! ;))))
Dionysios
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Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 238 -
1998-09-24 at 03:54:44
GARY BROWN --
There were no cartoon shorts about Scamp, tho
there might have been if the short-subjects department
had been as active when LADY AND THE TRAMP came out, as
they'd been a decade or so earlier.
Tho come to think of it, they never did shorts
about Thumper, Dopey, Jiminy Cricket (unless you count
the later fillers on MICKEY MOUSE CLUB), or any other
well-promoted supporting character from feature, with the
sole exception of Figaro -- so I guess even then, they
probably wouldn't have.
Anyway, the only Disney characters that ever
headlined their own cartoon series were Mickey Mouse,
Donald Duck, Goofy, Pluto, Chip'n'Dale, Humphrey Bear,
and (eventually) Roger Rabbit.
(Humphrey Bear?!)
HARRY FLUKS --
MARCO BARLOTTI --
PAOLO CASTAGNO --
Thanks for all the great info on Detective Casey!
I'm particularly surprised to find he pre-dates O'Hara,
and that he's the star of his own comics stories in Italy
(too bad I'll never be able to read them). Now, I'm
beginning to wonder -- am I the first to use him in an
Egmont story? (I was careful, by the way, to write him
as if he's never been seen before, since as far as most
Egmont readers are concerned, he hasn't.)
I've been thinking about gathering together my
WDC&S and reading straight through the Fallberg/Murry
serials. (I've been boning up on Mickey lately.) Too bad
I'll only run into Casey once in that run.
DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN --
I think you're over-reacting to a couple of little
disagreements on the part of others, and am very sorry to
hear you've decided to quit the list.
I'm glad, tho, that you've made changes to your
Web site to reflect the current situation, and hope you
soon arrive at a point where your depiction of the
recently-ended one is accurate.
I hope you decide to rejoin soon.
Quack, Don
There were no cartoon shorts about Scamp, tho
there might have been if the short-subjects department
had been as active when LADY AND THE TRAMP came out, as
they'd been a decade or so earlier.
Tho come to think of it, they never did shorts
about Thumper, Dopey, Jiminy Cricket (unless you count
the later fillers on MICKEY MOUSE CLUB), or any other
well-promoted supporting character from feature, with the
sole exception of Figaro -- so I guess even then, they
probably wouldn't have.
Anyway, the only Disney characters that ever
headlined their own cartoon series were Mickey Mouse,
Donald Duck, Goofy, Pluto, Chip'n'Dale, Humphrey Bear,
and (eventually) Roger Rabbit.
(Humphrey Bear?!)
HARRY FLUKS --
MARCO BARLOTTI --
PAOLO CASTAGNO --
Thanks for all the great info on Detective Casey!
I'm particularly surprised to find he pre-dates O'Hara,
and that he's the star of his own comics stories in Italy
(too bad I'll never be able to read them). Now, I'm
beginning to wonder -- am I the first to use him in an
Egmont story? (I was careful, by the way, to write him
as if he's never been seen before, since as far as most
Egmont readers are concerned, he hasn't.)
I've been thinking about gathering together my
WDC&S and reading straight through the Fallberg/Murry
serials. (I've been boning up on Mickey lately.) Too bad
I'll only run into Casey once in that run.
DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN --
I think you're over-reacting to a couple of little
disagreements on the part of others, and am very sorry to
hear you've decided to quit the list.
I'm glad, tho, that you've made changes to your
Web site to reflect the current situation, and hope you
soon arrive at a point where your depiction of the
recently-ended one is accurate.
I hope you decide to rejoin soon.
Quack, Don
Heitmann, Owen James - HEIOJ001
(No subject)
Message 239 -
1998-09-24 at 06:57:33
G'day,
PER-ERIK
Unfortunately I can't post a scan of Van Horn's signature for you, since I
don't have the technical know-how (it's a miracle that I can even get my email
to work for me). Maybe somebody else will oblige, although you'll have to find
someone willing to crease their comic pretty badly, since it's very close to
the spine. I can however, give a description, which is better than nothing (but
only just). Anyway, the panel in question is in WDC&S #629, in the story 'Hail
The Conquering Loser!" by William Van Horn and Michael T. Gilbert. In the very
last panel of the story, on the last page of the book, Van Horn's signature in
capital letters runs vertically up the far right panel border. (I expect that
you can practically see it from that vivid description.) I suspect that it
might not be a change of Disney's policy, but somehow due to the fact that we
get Van Horn's stories with his own English lettering even though they're
produced for Egmont.
I also think that the layout in this story has a few nice variations on the
standard square eight panel page, without hampering the flow of the story (for
example, page 8). I like it.
DON R. and KALLE
Thanks for the information about Egmont and The Phantom (I know it was sort of
off topic, but...). I thought Semic sounded familiar. I guess the fact that
they were two different companies until recently sort of ruins my question, but
I was very interested to hear that Claes Reimerthi was a member of NAFS(k),
Kalle. I've read a number of Phantom stories written by him.
MARCO
>I TL 2174-1 (29-7-1997)
>Sfida a Topolinia
>(a story in which the letter "e" NEVER appears!)
Wow! Is that as hard in Italian as in English? What a job for a translator to
recapture that element of the story! How long is that story, by the way?
And another question comes to mind: Why was it written like that?
Cheers,
Owen
PER-ERIK
Unfortunately I can't post a scan of Van Horn's signature for you, since I
don't have the technical know-how (it's a miracle that I can even get my email
to work for me). Maybe somebody else will oblige, although you'll have to find
someone willing to crease their comic pretty badly, since it's very close to
the spine. I can however, give a description, which is better than nothing (but
only just). Anyway, the panel in question is in WDC&S #629, in the story 'Hail
The Conquering Loser!" by William Van Horn and Michael T. Gilbert. In the very
last panel of the story, on the last page of the book, Van Horn's signature in
capital letters runs vertically up the far right panel border. (I expect that
you can practically see it from that vivid description.) I suspect that it
might not be a change of Disney's policy, but somehow due to the fact that we
get Van Horn's stories with his own English lettering even though they're
produced for Egmont.
I also think that the layout in this story has a few nice variations on the
standard square eight panel page, without hampering the flow of the story (for
example, page 8). I like it.
DON R. and KALLE
Thanks for the information about Egmont and The Phantom (I know it was sort of
off topic, but...). I thought Semic sounded familiar. I guess the fact that
they were two different companies until recently sort of ruins my question, but
I was very interested to hear that Claes Reimerthi was a member of NAFS(k),
Kalle. I've read a number of Phantom stories written by him.
MARCO
>I TL 2174-1 (29-7-1997)
>Sfida a Topolinia
>(a story in which the letter "e" NEVER appears!)
Wow! Is that as hard in Italian as in English? What a job for a translator to
recapture that element of the story! How long is that story, by the way?
And another question comes to mind: Why was it written like that?
Cheers,
Owen
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Today's weekly
Message 240 -
1998-09-24 at 07:34:16
Hello
AA98-39
The weekly published today has an editorial called hullabaloo,
where HDL e.g do tricks etc. The page today makes me think
of the charecters who have been "nixed" (?) by Egmont. Well,
Ludwig is right there on page 48, actually he's drawing the tower
in Pisa... I don't know what got into that editorial page, but
Gilbert, who has been said to be at the university (maybe together
with Ludwig) is there too. Who else have been nixed? Newton (Gyro's
nephew?)? Well, just wondering.
Anders Chr.
AA98-39
The weekly published today has an editorial called hullabaloo,
where HDL e.g do tricks etc. The page today makes me think
of the charecters who have been "nixed" (?) by Egmont. Well,
Ludwig is right there on page 48, actually he's drawing the tower
in Pisa... I don't know what got into that editorial page, but
Gilbert, who has been said to be at the university (maybe together
with Ludwig) is there too. Who else have been nixed? Newton (Gyro's
nephew?)? Well, just wondering.
Anders Chr.