Hi, Marco!
Than you for your reply.
You're right, when you note that in...
>
> I TL 2183-1 (30-9-1997)
> L'ispettore Manetta sul filo del rasoio
> /Faraci/Cavazzano/
> 25//Rock Sassi, Basettoni, Gambadilegno
>
Rock Sassi says, speaking of Casey talks about " that mustache! He
just doesn't seem to be the same person!", but it does it like if
Casey started from that moment with his mustache (which were just
drawn a lot of times by Cavazzano himself and by other colleagues of
him). I think that Faraci (who's really one of the best story men in
Italy, not only speaking about Disney) thought the same thing about
the vanishing mustache of Casey, and wished to drop a note in one of
his panels, but nothing more. I think to a more complex story,
comparable to those, for example, which explain why Gladstone is so
lucky or how Scrooge got his blue (or red?) old dress.
> And it's a GOOD story!
It is!
Luca
Author
Topic: 199809
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Luca Boschi
Casey's mustache, again
Message 301 -
1998-09-29 at 14:23:43
Stahl, Joachim GE - EV
AW: Disney comics Digest V98 #239
Message 302 -
1998-09-29 at 15:17:25
I didn't want to write a second comment on the same topic, because I'm
afraid that in these kinds of discussion it is almost impossible to
convince anybody of anything. But the way Don Rosa is mistreating the
name of our first German translator forces me to write another comment.
And it makes me believe that obviously I was not so wrong to change the
names of Taliaferro and Osborne. I mean, if an educated and
far-travelled man like Don Rosa can't cope with a quite simple foreign
name of a person he even is a bit familiar with, how could a 9-year-old
reader should have coped with a foreign name of an unknown person like
"Al Taliaferro"? Don Rosa makes our translator's name in his comments to
the ugly four-letter-word "Fuch" (and I do hope he doesn't mispronounce
it terribly!), whereas her name actually is written "Fuchs". That means
in English "fox" and is pronounced almost just like that, except for the
"o" becoming an "u" like in "butcher".
By the way, Don Rosa seems to be irritated because the Greek editor
is writing his name in a way that leads to some mispronouncement. But of
course the same is true for any European edition. For example, if Don
Rosa wanted the German readers to pronounce his name correctly, we would
have to write it somewhat like "Dan Rouse". Just because the letters are
the same in all Romanic and Germanic languages, doesn't mean they are
pronounced equally, too.
So, I hope we can finally agree that it's a very tricky thing, that
naming. At least as long as we don't have a single world-culture that
speaks all English (which I fear the world will be like in some future
century - but do we really have to speed up this process by not adopting
American stories to our own European culture and tradition?)
DON ROSA:
>>Germany is the only Egmont and/or Disney publisher in Europe who does
not send me copies of their Disney flagship
comic.<<
Maybe you don't notice them amongst the thousands of comic-magazines
that are sent to you every year, but we do send you the collected "Micky
Maus"-editions with your stories every few months. You find them in the
oversea-parcels of freelance-editor Klaus Strzyz (now try to pronounce
this name, guys!)
DON ROSA:
>>My solution would be for you to *not* use my stories if you intended
to "sabotage" historical references or harmless tributes... I'd lose no
(nonexistant) royalties and it would save us both grief. I wonder if
you, as an editor who does not work directly with the creators of the
stories you edit, can imagine how frustrating that is for those writers
or artists who put a *great* deal of love and care and thought into
their work?<<
Well, there is no grief at all on my side! Your best stories are real
highlights for our many young readers as well as for the older ones -
although they are all more or less "sabotaged"! By the way, we don't
merely eliminate jokes that can be found in the American original but
don't make much sense in our German Duck-Universe. Sometimes we even add
jokes that do fit into our Entenhausen but can't be found in the
original text. Is that sabotage, too? Anyway, I'm afraid the grief is
all yours ... But believe me, I do understand that it is frustrating for
you to see your ideas changed. I used to work as a freelance-translator
before becoming an editor, and sometimes I couldn't understand why that
foolish editor changed anything.
But now, sitting on the other side of the editor's desk, I believe
that any artist's work sometimes can be improved. Even the brilliant old
texts of Erika Fuchs in today's reprints have to be modernizes a bit to
make them understandable for our young readers. Fuchs, unlike some of
her old fans, always fully accepted these changes.
I believe that many artists don't understand their own work as good
as their admirers, because they don't have the right distance. Just like
someone who is standing ten inches in front of an elephant won't see as
much of the pachyderm as someone who is standing ten yards away.
Or let me try another comparison that I hope doesn't limp: Imagine
yourself as a father who loves his story-boy dearly and wants nothing
but his very best. Because the father is an intellectual with a deep
interest in history, he wants his child to become a historian. But the
smart little brat isn't that much interested in science, instead he
loves to fool around and to entertain his young friends. So they all
tell him that he should become a stand-up-comedian one day rather than a
boring historian. Of course the father will hate these friends, maybe he
will tell his child: "I know what's good for ya, cause I know ya better
than your friends or even than yourself" - didn't most of our parents
tell us something like that? Especially guys like us may have heard
serious warnings of their parents that they should rather learn a
serious profession than trying to make a living in the comic-trade. But
were our loving-ones right after all? I guess not.
afraid that in these kinds of discussion it is almost impossible to
convince anybody of anything. But the way Don Rosa is mistreating the
name of our first German translator forces me to write another comment.
And it makes me believe that obviously I was not so wrong to change the
names of Taliaferro and Osborne. I mean, if an educated and
far-travelled man like Don Rosa can't cope with a quite simple foreign
name of a person he even is a bit familiar with, how could a 9-year-old
reader should have coped with a foreign name of an unknown person like
"Al Taliaferro"? Don Rosa makes our translator's name in his comments to
the ugly four-letter-word "Fuch" (and I do hope he doesn't mispronounce
it terribly!), whereas her name actually is written "Fuchs". That means
in English "fox" and is pronounced almost just like that, except for the
"o" becoming an "u" like in "butcher".
By the way, Don Rosa seems to be irritated because the Greek editor
is writing his name in a way that leads to some mispronouncement. But of
course the same is true for any European edition. For example, if Don
Rosa wanted the German readers to pronounce his name correctly, we would
have to write it somewhat like "Dan Rouse". Just because the letters are
the same in all Romanic and Germanic languages, doesn't mean they are
pronounced equally, too.
So, I hope we can finally agree that it's a very tricky thing, that
naming. At least as long as we don't have a single world-culture that
speaks all English (which I fear the world will be like in some future
century - but do we really have to speed up this process by not adopting
American stories to our own European culture and tradition?)
DON ROSA:
>>Germany is the only Egmont and/or Disney publisher in Europe who does
not send me copies of their Disney flagship
comic.<<
Maybe you don't notice them amongst the thousands of comic-magazines
that are sent to you every year, but we do send you the collected "Micky
Maus"-editions with your stories every few months. You find them in the
oversea-parcels of freelance-editor Klaus Strzyz (now try to pronounce
this name, guys!)
DON ROSA:
>>My solution would be for you to *not* use my stories if you intended
to "sabotage" historical references or harmless tributes... I'd lose no
(nonexistant) royalties and it would save us both grief. I wonder if
you, as an editor who does not work directly with the creators of the
stories you edit, can imagine how frustrating that is for those writers
or artists who put a *great* deal of love and care and thought into
their work?<<
Well, there is no grief at all on my side! Your best stories are real
highlights for our many young readers as well as for the older ones -
although they are all more or less "sabotaged"! By the way, we don't
merely eliminate jokes that can be found in the American original but
don't make much sense in our German Duck-Universe. Sometimes we even add
jokes that do fit into our Entenhausen but can't be found in the
original text. Is that sabotage, too? Anyway, I'm afraid the grief is
all yours ... But believe me, I do understand that it is frustrating for
you to see your ideas changed. I used to work as a freelance-translator
before becoming an editor, and sometimes I couldn't understand why that
foolish editor changed anything.
But now, sitting on the other side of the editor's desk, I believe
that any artist's work sometimes can be improved. Even the brilliant old
texts of Erika Fuchs in today's reprints have to be modernizes a bit to
make them understandable for our young readers. Fuchs, unlike some of
her old fans, always fully accepted these changes.
I believe that many artists don't understand their own work as good
as their admirers, because they don't have the right distance. Just like
someone who is standing ten inches in front of an elephant won't see as
much of the pachyderm as someone who is standing ten yards away.
Or let me try another comparison that I hope doesn't limp: Imagine
yourself as a father who loves his story-boy dearly and wants nothing
but his very best. Because the father is an intellectual with a deep
interest in history, he wants his child to become a historian. But the
smart little brat isn't that much interested in science, instead he
loves to fool around and to entertain his young friends. So they all
tell him that he should become a stand-up-comedian one day rather than a
boring historian. Of course the father will hate these friends, maybe he
will tell his child: "I know what's good for ya, cause I know ya better
than your friends or even than yourself" - didn't most of our parents
tell us something like that? Especially guys like us may have heard
serious warnings of their parents that they should rather learn a
serious profession than trying to make a living in the comic-trade. But
were our loving-ones right after all? I guess not.
Joakim Gunnarsson
Laqua etc.
Message 303 -
1998-09-29 at 22:08:35
MIKAEL:
[Re:Galerie Laqua]
> Ok, thanks for the information, but isn't there anything like a on-line
> catalouge or a homepage etc. ?
Nixx!
You have to buy the catalouge. (Trust me: It's worth every penny!)
[Francois wrote:]
>>>"Fantasy Island" by Byron Erickson is the best Mickey Mouse story I've
ever seen since Gottfredson, IMO, and I consider it a real masterpiece.
[...]
Regarding "Treasure of the Incas",
I consider it as a real materpiece too [...] I wish Byron Erickson
would write more stories like this one.>>>
I agree 100%. "Fantasy Island" is just sooo good! And it is even written in
four panel sequences, just like Gottfredsons old strips!
(Keep your eyes open for new Erickson stuff *soon*! [If you're living in
Scandinavia!] Mickey is turning 70 you know...)
/Joakim Gunnarsson,
Malmo, Sweden.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #240
******************************************
[Re:Galerie Laqua]
> Ok, thanks for the information, but isn't there anything like a on-line
> catalouge or a homepage etc. ?
Nixx!
You have to buy the catalouge. (Trust me: It's worth every penny!)
[Francois wrote:]
>>>"Fantasy Island" by Byron Erickson is the best Mickey Mouse story I've
ever seen since Gottfredson, IMO, and I consider it a real masterpiece.
[...]
Regarding "Treasure of the Incas",
I consider it as a real materpiece too [...] I wish Byron Erickson
would write more stories like this one.>>>
I agree 100%. "Fantasy Island" is just sooo good! And it is even written in
four panel sequences, just like Gottfredsons old strips!
(Keep your eyes open for new Erickson stuff *soon*! [If you're living in
Scandinavia!] Mickey is turning 70 you know...)
/Joakim Gunnarsson,
Malmo, Sweden.
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #240
******************************************
Xephyr
Witch is in a name?
Message 304 -
1998-09-30 at 07:13:21
ARTHUR FARIA JR:
RE: Witch Hazel's nephew
> Dennis Tzavaras, about Hazel the Witch's nephew:
> > She has a nephew?!?!?!? More info pls!!!
I have several comics with Witch Hazel's nephew in them,
probably two from American comics published during the
Gold Key era, and another couple from Brazil.
I have posted a picture of him at:
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/scans/witchis.gif
The scan is obviously from a Brazilian comic.
In the American comics his name is "Witchis Witch."
Which, I guess, is an attempt to play on the sound of
his name for a common phrase (namely: Which is which?).
His name also seems to presuppose that his aunt's
full name is actually, "Hazel Witch" (but it probably
doesn't necessitate that presumption).
Rich (xephyr)
RE: Witch Hazel's nephew
> Dennis Tzavaras, about Hazel the Witch's nephew:
> > She has a nephew?!?!?!? More info pls!!!
I have several comics with Witch Hazel's nephew in them,
probably two from American comics published during the
Gold Key era, and another couple from Brazil.
I have posted a picture of him at:
http://www.jps.net/xephyr/scans/witchis.gif
The scan is obviously from a Brazilian comic.
In the American comics his name is "Witchis Witch."
Which, I guess, is an attempt to play on the sound of
his name for a common phrase (namely: Which is which?).
His name also seems to presuppose that his aunt's
full name is actually, "Hazel Witch" (but it probably
doesn't necessitate that presumption).
Rich (xephyr)
Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #240
Message 305 -
1998-09-30 at 10:41:13
DIONYSIS:
> >And *not* pay an arm and a leg for them?
> Well, that depends on your definition of "an arm and a leg". In Monastiraki
My definition of "an arm and a leg" is "what they would charge in
Monastiraki"...
> there are other places that have much
> lower prices.
Now we've *got* to get in touch!!!
> >"Treasury of Croesus", where Magica is
> I haven't read that story unfortunately. has it been published in
> KOMIX?
I've read this story in WDC&S. I don't think it's been published in
KOMIX yet.
> BTW, I *do* hope you have finally received both my e-mails. I
> got yours a couple of days ago.
Nope, still nothing! (This is probably irrelevant, but there is a limit
to the length of the lines that can be transferred reliably through
e-mail. Try configuring the editor in your mailer to break lines after
80 characters or so, rather than sending each paragraph as one long
line.)
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Excuse me, yes, hello. I'm a stranger to these parts and I was wondering if
you could perhaps remind me of the name of the nearest star."
-----
> >And *not* pay an arm and a leg for them?
> Well, that depends on your definition of "an arm and a leg". In Monastiraki
My definition of "an arm and a leg" is "what they would charge in
Monastiraki"...
> there are other places that have much
> lower prices.
Now we've *got* to get in touch!!!
> >"Treasury of Croesus", where Magica is
> I haven't read that story unfortunately. has it been published in
> KOMIX?
I've read this story in WDC&S. I don't think it's been published in
KOMIX yet.
> BTW, I *do* hope you have finally received both my e-mails. I
> got yours a couple of days ago.
Nope, still nothing! (This is probably irrelevant, but there is a limit
to the length of the lines that can be transferred reliably through
e-mail. Try configuring the editor in your mailer to break lines after
80 characters or so, rather than sending each paragraph as one long
line.)
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Excuse me, yes, hello. I'm a stranger to these parts and I was wondering if
you could perhaps remind me of the name of the nearest star."
-----
Anders Christian Sivebæk
Vulcan/Hephaistostos
Message 306 -
1998-09-30 at 10:51:33
hello
In Denmark we have a class about the ancient greece - We're reading the
Iliade (about the fall of Troja) - Today we learned something about
Hephaistos (the god of fire and blacksmiths) - He's called Vulcan in
roman. In the story Mythtic Mystery by Barks, Vulcan
appears. Here he has a hammer which can make iron into gold - does
anyone here know if that is something Barks made up - or is it a part of
the myth?
Thanks for any answers!
Anders Christian
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In Denmark we have a class about the ancient greece - We're reading the
Iliade (about the fall of Troja) - Today we learned something about
Hephaistos (the god of fire and blacksmiths) - He's called Vulcan in
roman. In the story Mythtic Mystery by Barks, Vulcan
appears. Here he has a hammer which can make iron into gold - does
anyone here know if that is something Barks made up - or is it a part of
the myth?
Thanks for any answers!
Anders Christian
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Timo Ronkainen
Introduc(k)tion
Message 307 -
1998-09-30 at 19:00:45
Hi to all!
I think it's time to stop lurking and introduce myself. My name is Timo
Ronkainen, born 1967 and live in Finland city of Turku. I'm semipro
free-lance-cartoonist
and fan of comics in general, especially of Barks and Rosa, though.
Beside doing comics I have done lettering, illustrations and jobbed for
newspapers (doing lay-outs, and wrote some comic-book rewievs).
I'm editor of Finnish Disney-fanzine (1 issue out for now), more coming,
I hope:)
I've been reading this list for months now and it sure have been very
interesting
and fun too. I think it will be more fun now when I'm tuned in.
Old Castles Secret was first Barks story I read, when it was reprinted
in
Finnish Aku Ankka 1972, and because of it I decided to become a
cartoonist. And I did:)
I almost stopped reading Disney-comics, until I saw few works of mr Rosa
and some others, like Daan Jippes.
I like hundreds of other comics besides the Disney ones, but I don't
want to bore anybody with long lists, and say just:
by for now! Timo
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I think it's time to stop lurking and introduce myself. My name is Timo
Ronkainen, born 1967 and live in Finland city of Turku. I'm semipro
free-lance-cartoonist
and fan of comics in general, especially of Barks and Rosa, though.
Beside doing comics I have done lettering, illustrations and jobbed for
newspapers (doing lay-outs, and wrote some comic-book rewievs).
I'm editor of Finnish Disney-fanzine (1 issue out for now), more coming,
I hope:)
I've been reading this list for months now and it sure have been very
interesting
and fun too. I think it will be more fun now when I'm tuned in.
Old Castles Secret was first Barks story I read, when it was reprinted
in
Finnish Aku Ankka 1972, and because of it I decided to become a
cartoonist. And I did:)
I almost stopped reading Disney-comics, until I saw few works of mr Rosa
and some others, like Daan Jippes.
I like hundreds of other comics besides the Disney ones, but I don't
want to bore anybody with long lists, and say just:
by for now! Timo
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Timo Ronkainen
RE:Korhonen
Message 308 -
1998-09-30 at 19:31:58
Hi!
As I recall right Kari Korhonen has made many great-looking covers for
Aku Ankan
taskukirja (Finnish edition of Jumboboek, publishes Topolino-material).
I don't know if those covers been printed outside Finland. And he did
huge poster for one number (which I don't remember what it was)
presenting
Uncle-Scrooge with all his enemies. IMO he is much better artist than
writer, but
somehow he decided to do scripts instead of art. His style is like
combination of Barks
and best Italian Topolino artists. He did also cover for Finnish special
number of
Aku Ankka: "Pressisarjat" ("Press Comics" that is) which compiled
together few Tony Strobl's
Donald-Fethry-Scrooge stories, where they (try to) run Scrooge's
newspaper.
By now,
Timo
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As I recall right Kari Korhonen has made many great-looking covers for
Aku Ankan
taskukirja (Finnish edition of Jumboboek, publishes Topolino-material).
I don't know if those covers been printed outside Finland. And he did
huge poster for one number (which I don't remember what it was)
presenting
Uncle-Scrooge with all his enemies. IMO he is much better artist than
writer, but
somehow he decided to do scripts instead of art. His style is like
combination of Barks
and best Italian Topolino artists. He did also cover for Finnish special
number of
Aku Ankka: "Pressisarjat" ("Press Comics" that is) which compiled
together few Tony Strobl's
Donald-Fethry-Scrooge stories, where they (try to) run Scrooge's
newspaper.
By now,
Timo
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Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Lost in the Andes - Plain awful and back to it again...
Message 309 -
1998-09-30 at 20:31:05
hello
Barks wrote Lost in the Andes - when Donald came to Plain Awful one of
those square
guys was singing a song (in DK-translations the song's about Duckburg),
what song was
that in the original? And was it the same song as Scrooge and Flinty are
singing in Rosas
great sequel (Back to Plain Awful), when they're walking up to teh
president with to ice cream sodas (In DK it was the famous "sailing up the
river")?
well that's all, please tell
Anders Chr.
Barks wrote Lost in the Andes - when Donald came to Plain Awful one of
those square
guys was singing a song (in DK-translations the song's about Duckburg),
what song was
that in the original? And was it the same song as Scrooge and Flinty are
singing in Rosas
great sequel (Back to Plain Awful), when they're walking up to teh
president with to ice cream sodas (In DK it was the famous "sailing up the
river")?
well that's all, please tell
Anders Chr.
Oyvind J. Karstad
Digest #240
Message 310 -
1998-09-30 at 20:48:08
Stefan:
>Great! Exactly the way it should be. Then again, it's often the Norwegian
>branch of Egmont that asks Don to make special stories on occasion... or am
>I wrong here?
I think you're right, it has happened sometimes
(From Duckburg to Lillehammer, Guardians of the Lost Library).
>If they do, it's a natural thing that they should put a little
>more effort into their own presentation of them.
>But why not encourage other branches to do the same?
I thought the Danish, Swedish and Norwegian weeklies were 100% alike
(except for the language).
Is that wrong? Do they only print the same stories?
>Hmmm... maybe that's what I should have done, after
>all... Is "Lydia" the correct name of the country in Norwegian?
Yes, it's Lydia... I don't know if it would have worked in Sweden.
Is Lydien a Swedish girls name?
O/yvind J. Karstad
>Great! Exactly the way it should be. Then again, it's often the Norwegian
>branch of Egmont that asks Don to make special stories on occasion... or am
>I wrong here?
I think you're right, it has happened sometimes
(From Duckburg to Lillehammer, Guardians of the Lost Library).
>If they do, it's a natural thing that they should put a little
>more effort into their own presentation of them.
>But why not encourage other branches to do the same?
I thought the Danish, Swedish and Norwegian weeklies were 100% alike
(except for the language).
Is that wrong? Do they only print the same stories?
>Hmmm... maybe that's what I should have done, after
>all... Is "Lydia" the correct name of the country in Norwegian?
Yes, it's Lydia... I don't know if it would have worked in Sweden.
Is Lydien a Swedish girls name?
O/yvind J. Karstad
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Todays mail and e-mail
Message 311 -
1998-09-30 at 23:35:12
Something great happened today -
I actually received two never-before-read Barks-stories!
The double date (OS 1055-03) and WDC 132-02 or 3
with Grandma Duck, Cousin Gus (who calls Grandma mother??!)
and it is (in my knowing) the only Barks-story
where Jaque and Gus appear!
Overmore I received the full version of The Beauty Queen (Os 1055-06)
which is often seen wrong by 1055-05 because it has a look-a-like splash-
panel, but the difference is that Daisy is laying her make up here - in
"Donald's
Party" she's scrupping the floor (kind of a difference the yaknow!)
Well I also saw to panels from the Cattle King that was not published where
I live - all this thanks to a norwegian who likes to call himself Goffy -
he had one of the big white scandinavian books (well, where are they
published?)
with Daisy and Donald - and he so kindly send them to me...
If he is here: Thanks again
Anders Christian
BTW I received a sequel to Micro-ducks from outher-space (made by vicar I
think)
I actually received two never-before-read Barks-stories!
The double date (OS 1055-03) and WDC 132-02 or 3
with Grandma Duck, Cousin Gus (who calls Grandma mother??!)
and it is (in my knowing) the only Barks-story
where Jaque and Gus appear!
Overmore I received the full version of The Beauty Queen (Os 1055-06)
which is often seen wrong by 1055-05 because it has a look-a-like splash-
panel, but the difference is that Daisy is laying her make up here - in
"Donald's
Party" she's scrupping the floor (kind of a difference the yaknow!)
Well I also saw to panels from the Cattle King that was not published where
I live - all this thanks to a norwegian who likes to call himself Goffy -
he had one of the big white scandinavian books (well, where are they
published?)
with Daisy and Donald - and he so kindly send them to me...
If he is here: Thanks again
Anders Christian
BTW I received a sequel to Micro-ducks from outher-space (made by vicar I
think)