Hello everybody.
Problems continue. This time part of my last missive to the list was formatted in a very weird way, thus making it hard to read. I have no idea what I did to make it appear like that but...I apologise.
On to some comments:
ARTHUR FARIA JR. wrote
>- Hazel the Witch's nephew (drawn by Strobl).
She has a nephew?!?!?!? More info pls!!!
MIKKO wrote:
. Although "Talli Ahvero" and "Ossi Porne"
>would sound (at least phonetically) like Finnish names, I assume even you
>foreigners would recognize what they=92d mean...
Definitely! That's a great way to translate those names! I wish *our* translators here were so creative.
BTW, I'm a trekker too but I wouldn't sign *Dionysios the Greek Trekker* since your signature has become a trademark of yours. :)
KRITON wrote:
>Since we seem to be the same age, I'm impressed that you have anything
>more than a vague recollection from that series. Are you lucky enough
>to have *kept* those comics you bought thirty years ago?
Well, yes I have kept some, my brother and sister-in-law, also big Disney comics fans have more but they are not that difficult to come by if one knows where to look for them! ;))
I do have a certain interest in the Greek language, however.
>Older members of the list, whom I have occasionally bored with my
>etymological descriptions, will testify to this.
Hey, I'm interested in etymology too. That's why I always read your msgs in past digests!
BTW, I've re-sent you my first mail. Hope it'll reach you this time.
(Email removed) wrote:
>I was wondering what the thoughts of people on the list are regarding the
>funniest - ie, actual laughter-producing - incident in a Disney story. For
>me, the pinnacle of absurdity was when I was reading an untitled story
>featuring the Witch and Beelzebub the Broom: the Witch was in bed, and in a
>little bed of its own beside her was Beelzebub! It looked absolutely ridiculous!
I remember 2 incidents. One is Magica's reaction in the last few panels of "The Unsafe Safe" when Magica realizes she can't break the glass surrounding Scrooge's money bin,
and Donald in practically every panel, particularly the last one in "The Quiz Show Quandry" where Donlad and HDL take part in a radio game show!
Could you tell me more about that Witch Hazel story you mention? I haven't read that one!
>
TRISTAN wrote:
>I was also impressed with Byron Erikson's story. It was really original.
>(Of course ever since the first time I saw her I have been a fan of Brigitta
>McBridge. She always fits well into scrooges personality. You know he
>likes here, deep down -- just not as much as his money.
I agree. Brigitta really compliments U$'s personality. She's a great character and I remember reading somewhere that Carl Barks like her too, and had commented once that he wished he had created her first! Brigitta is used regularly nowadays in the Italian Minni magazine. She appears in practically every issue and even though most of the stories have a romantic theme, Brigitta is portrayed as a woman of the 90's. Liberated, adventurous and courageous!
LUCA BOSCHI:
I just read one of your stories in Topolino #2234, "La Grande Corsa Paperopoli-Ocopoli. I enjoyed the story very much. It was the first time though that I saw Sgrizzo!! He called Gideone (Scrooge's brother) uncle! Could you or someone else who reads Topolino tell me more about this character.
Off topic: We have a common friend. Dimitris Georgiadis, the Greek animator-cartoonist with whom you spent some time in Lucca a few years back says "Ciao". He's the one w/ the white hair!
That's all for now.
Dion(isios).
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Dennis Tzavaras
Disney comics Digest V98 #236
Message 271 -
1998-09-26 at 06:46:23
Heitmann, Owen James - HEIOJ001
The letter e, and Van Horn's signature.
Message 272 -
1998-09-26 at 10:26:26
MARCO:
Marco, thanks very much for answering my questions, especially about =
the
frequency of the letter 'e' in Italian. Seeing as I know less than =
nothing
about that language, it helped put the story into the proper =
perspective. Even
though it's less common than in English, I reckon it's still a pretty =
amazing
feat.
Hans wrote:
>Have you heard of French writer Georges Perec? In 1969 he wrote the=20
>novel "La disparition" without using the letter "e". The book was=A0=20
>translated into German ("Anton Voyls Fortgang") and English ("A=20
>Void") and maybe into other languages too. Of course the translators=20
>were not allowed to use any "e" either.
That's even more amazing! Right here and now, I declare myself =
completely and
utterly gob-smacked by the very concept! What an interesting =
experiment! But
I'm afraid I shall have to stop this off-topic conversation before I =
try to
turn this inot a Georges Perec mailing list.
Although....
Francois wrote:
>I think Perec also did a novel without a,i,o,u,y. The only vowel =
allowed being
e.
I think my brain just exploded.
But I guess it would be important to keep in mind how well these =
stories
actually read.
Anyway, I think it's time to get back in the vicinity of Disney =
comics...
PER:
About Van Horn's signature: I really wish I could post a scan of it, =
but I'm
pretty sure it is by Bill himself and not an editor or somesuch. I've =
seen his
signature on the last page of that comic "Tracker" that I keep =
mentioning
(where it's just "VAN HORN", no "WM", by the way), and it's pretty much =
the
same. The 'n' is a little different, but they're similar enough to =
convince me.
However, I admit that anybody's capital letters can look pretty much =
the same.
Anyway, I hope the intense scrutiny that we're puttin this through =
doesn't mean
that precautions will be taken to see that a signature'll never let =
slip
through again, since I think it's pretty nifty (well, I'm easily =
amused).
Cheers,
Owen
Marco, thanks very much for answering my questions, especially about =
the
frequency of the letter 'e' in Italian. Seeing as I know less than =
nothing
about that language, it helped put the story into the proper =
perspective. Even
though it's less common than in English, I reckon it's still a pretty =
amazing
feat.
Hans wrote:
>Have you heard of French writer Georges Perec? In 1969 he wrote the=20
>novel "La disparition" without using the letter "e". The book was=A0=20
>translated into German ("Anton Voyls Fortgang") and English ("A=20
>Void") and maybe into other languages too. Of course the translators=20
>were not allowed to use any "e" either.
That's even more amazing! Right here and now, I declare myself =
completely and
utterly gob-smacked by the very concept! What an interesting =
experiment! But
I'm afraid I shall have to stop this off-topic conversation before I =
try to
turn this inot a Georges Perec mailing list.
Although....
Francois wrote:
>I think Perec also did a novel without a,i,o,u,y. The only vowel =
allowed being
e.
I think my brain just exploded.
But I guess it would be important to keep in mind how well these =
stories
actually read.
Anyway, I think it's time to get back in the vicinity of Disney =
comics...
PER:
About Van Horn's signature: I really wish I could post a scan of it, =
but I'm
pretty sure it is by Bill himself and not an editor or somesuch. I've =
seen his
signature on the last page of that comic "Tracker" that I keep =
mentioning
(where it's just "VAN HORN", no "WM", by the way), and it's pretty much =
the
same. The 'n' is a little different, but they're similar enough to =
convince me.
However, I admit that anybody's capital letters can look pretty much =
the same.
Anyway, I hope the intense scrutiny that we're puttin this through =
doesn't mean
that precautions will be taken to see that a signature'll never let =
slip
through again, since I think it's pretty nifty (well, I'm easily =
amused).
Cheers,
Owen
Willot Eleve Promo 98
Disney comics Digest V98 #236
Message 273 -
1998-09-26 at 12:56:53
On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Dennis Tzavaras wrote:
> TRISTAN wrote:
>
> >I was also impressed with Byron Erikson's story. It was really original.
> >(Of course ever since the first time I saw her I have been a fan of Brigitta
> >McBridge. She always fits well into scrooges personality. You know he
> >likes here, deep down -- just not as much as his money.
>
> I agree. Brigitta really compliments U$'s personality. She's a great character and I remember reading somewhere that Carl Barks like her too, and had commented once that he wished he had created her first! Brigitta is used regularly nowadays in the Italian Minni
> magazine.
> She appears in practically every issue and even though most
> of the stories have a romantic theme, Brigitta is portrayed as
> a woman of the 90's. Liberated, adventurous and courageous!
"Fantasy Island" by Byron Erickson is the best Mickey Mouse story I've
ever seen since Gottfredson, IMO, and I consider it a real masterpiece.
The next one with Pluto and Mickey in a "land" beneath the ground, by B.
Erickson and Ferioli, is not as good IMO.
Regarding "Treasure of the Incas",
I consider it as a real materpiece too (I'm sure many Mickey fans
agree), and I agree with both of you
concerning Scrooge and Brigitta McBridge's personalities. I wish Byron Erickson
would write more stories like this one.
As for Cavazzano, I'd mention another Egmont story by him, the
quite good "fountain of youth" story he did for DD's birthday in 1994,
published in Picsou #269, if I remember right.
Francois
> TRISTAN wrote:
>
> >I was also impressed with Byron Erikson's story. It was really original.
> >(Of course ever since the first time I saw her I have been a fan of Brigitta
> >McBridge. She always fits well into scrooges personality. You know he
> >likes here, deep down -- just not as much as his money.
>
> I agree. Brigitta really compliments U$'s personality. She's a great character and I remember reading somewhere that Carl Barks like her too, and had commented once that he wished he had created her first! Brigitta is used regularly nowadays in the Italian Minni
> magazine.
> She appears in practically every issue and even though most
> of the stories have a romantic theme, Brigitta is portrayed as
> a woman of the 90's. Liberated, adventurous and courageous!
"Fantasy Island" by Byron Erickson is the best Mickey Mouse story I've
ever seen since Gottfredson, IMO, and I consider it a real masterpiece.
The next one with Pluto and Mickey in a "land" beneath the ground, by B.
Erickson and Ferioli, is not as good IMO.
Regarding "Treasure of the Incas",
I consider it as a real materpiece too (I'm sure many Mickey fans
agree), and I agree with both of you
concerning Scrooge and Brigitta McBridge's personalities. I wish Byron Erickson
would write more stories like this one.
As for Cavazzano, I'd mention another Egmont story by him, the
quite good "fountain of youth" story he did for DD's birthday in 1994,
published in Picsou #269, if I remember right.
Francois
Stefan Diös
Disney comics Digest V98 #236
Message 274 -
1998-09-26 at 13:13:00
DON R. to me:
>>>>We haven't heard from the Danish translator or editor, but we know that
>they
>picked a third course: to use famous names from the Danish Duck history. I'm
>sure that an intelligent case could be made for that decision as well. They
>might tell me that they tried to keep the Ducko-historic intention intact in
>a way the Danish readers could relate to.
>
>You're being too diplomatic and polite, methinks. While leaving the original
>two creators' names in place (with perhaps a footnote) was the only correct
>procedure, what with the whole idea for the tribute being the *publisher's*
>and it not being just another of my selfish lil' in-jokes, the idea of
>substituting charming-but-meaningless Fuch names can be defended if we have
>one single catch-all level of regard for the entire readership..... but what
>was done in Denmark is simply insulting to everyone. That mentioned
>translator and editor had nothing to do with the creation or development of
>any of the characters in that story much less HD&L, and had nothing to do
>with helping me write and draw the story, so giving them a "Ducko-historic"
>tributary mention could serve no logical purpose. Might as well have changed
>my intended tribute to "Whitney" and "Edison" in order to honor the
>inventors of the cotton gin and the electric light. It's a "tail wagging the
>dog" idea that harks back to the decades during which these comics always
>gave full credits to the editors and translators who prepared finished
>stories for print, but always refused to give credits to the actual writers
>and artists who created those stories from nothing more than electrical
>sparklies in their beans, an era that good ol' Byron finally helped bring to
>an overdue end, bless his heart.
This sounds very reasonable. Maybe you're absolutely right! I'll accept your
view as the gospel truth... at least until someone else speaks up.
I'm only half kidding here. I really don't know for sure. But I do want to
give you credit for being much more "diplomatic and polite" than I have been
lately towards people with ideas you just can't accept... even if, in this
case, I'm not advocating the opposing opinion. I'm just saying I might
understand it.
Just one thing, though... whether it's the publisher's idea to put in a
certain gag, reference, or a whole story; or whether the writer comes up
with it himself, or the artist, or whoever... that's important to all those
people, of course, but the reader couldn't care less. (Or "could care less",
as Americans seem to say nowadays, when they mean the same thing?) If
something annoys me in a movie, for example, I don't care whose fault it is.
Even if I realize that one person somewhere in the production is more to
blame than another, it doesn't help me unless I'm in the business myself.
I'm still annoyed, because my appreciation of the movie is disturbed.
And in this particular case, even if the idea came from the publishing
company, it doesn't seem that all of its branches were made aware of it.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
S Diös
>>>>We haven't heard from the Danish translator or editor, but we know that
>they
>picked a third course: to use famous names from the Danish Duck history. I'm
>sure that an intelligent case could be made for that decision as well. They
>might tell me that they tried to keep the Ducko-historic intention intact in
>a way the Danish readers could relate to.
>
>You're being too diplomatic and polite, methinks. While leaving the original
>two creators' names in place (with perhaps a footnote) was the only correct
>procedure, what with the whole idea for the tribute being the *publisher's*
>and it not being just another of my selfish lil' in-jokes, the idea of
>substituting charming-but-meaningless Fuch names can be defended if we have
>one single catch-all level of regard for the entire readership..... but what
>was done in Denmark is simply insulting to everyone. That mentioned
>translator and editor had nothing to do with the creation or development of
>any of the characters in that story much less HD&L, and had nothing to do
>with helping me write and draw the story, so giving them a "Ducko-historic"
>tributary mention could serve no logical purpose. Might as well have changed
>my intended tribute to "Whitney" and "Edison" in order to honor the
>inventors of the cotton gin and the electric light. It's a "tail wagging the
>dog" idea that harks back to the decades during which these comics always
>gave full credits to the editors and translators who prepared finished
>stories for print, but always refused to give credits to the actual writers
>and artists who created those stories from nothing more than electrical
>sparklies in their beans, an era that good ol' Byron finally helped bring to
>an overdue end, bless his heart.
This sounds very reasonable. Maybe you're absolutely right! I'll accept your
view as the gospel truth... at least until someone else speaks up.
I'm only half kidding here. I really don't know for sure. But I do want to
give you credit for being much more "diplomatic and polite" than I have been
lately towards people with ideas you just can't accept... even if, in this
case, I'm not advocating the opposing opinion. I'm just saying I might
understand it.
Just one thing, though... whether it's the publisher's idea to put in a
certain gag, reference, or a whole story; or whether the writer comes up
with it himself, or the artist, or whoever... that's important to all those
people, of course, but the reader couldn't care less. (Or "could care less",
as Americans seem to say nowadays, when they mean the same thing?) If
something annoys me in a movie, for example, I don't care whose fault it is.
Even if I realize that one person somewhere in the production is more to
blame than another, it doesn't help me unless I'm in the business myself.
I'm still annoyed, because my appreciation of the movie is disturbed.
And in this particular case, even if the idea came from the publishing
company, it doesn't seem that all of its branches were made aware of it.
Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
S Diös
Don Rosa
DIGEST #237
Message 275 -
1998-09-26 at 14:48:08
From: (Email removed)
>>>>...so I take his use of the word ("sabotage"), in quotes, as
shorthand for "any stupid thing that gets done to my stories for some
damn-fool reason or another that maybe can't be avoided but ought to be."
That's just about how I would define it, except I'd change your "my" to
"anybody's". But I use that term only in reference to changes that don't
simply replace one word for another, or spoil a mere gag, but to some
"damn-fool" change that totally misdirects my intention, changes my entire
meaning to something I never wanted, puts somebody else's mistakes into my
"mouth", and which the readers naturally attribute totally to me (or whoever
the writer or artist is). That's when it's no longer a simple "change" and
when I see it as "sab-oh-tah-gee".
>>>>...so I take his use of the word ("sabotage"), in quotes, as
shorthand for "any stupid thing that gets done to my stories for some
damn-fool reason or another that maybe can't be avoided but ought to be."
That's just about how I would define it, except I'd change your "my" to
"anybody's". But I use that term only in reference to changes that don't
simply replace one word for another, or spoil a mere gag, but to some
"damn-fool" change that totally misdirects my intention, changes my entire
meaning to something I never wanted, puts somebody else's mistakes into my
"mouth", and which the readers naturally attribute totally to me (or whoever
the writer or artist is). That's when it's no longer a simple "change" and
when I see it as "sab-oh-tah-gee".
Don Rosa
DIGEST #237
Message 276 -
1998-09-26 at 15:13:55
From: Francois Willot
> On page 5, the first woodchucks are mentioned, and they are called Osborne
and Taliaferro...
>>>>Hmm, I'm afraid it's not Taliaferro and Osborne in Picsou, I'll have to
check that. I hope it's not the name of two translators...
Oh, I'm *certain* it was my original tributary names, or you can betcha that
I woulda noticed it!!!
There was no sabotage by the French Underground!
> On page 5, the first woodchucks are mentioned, and they are called Osborne
and Taliaferro...
>>>>Hmm, I'm afraid it's not Taliaferro and Osborne in Picsou, I'll have to
check that. I hope it's not the name of two translators...
Oh, I'm *certain* it was my original tributary names, or you can betcha that
I woulda noticed it!!!
There was no sabotage by the French Underground!
Dan Shane
Disney comics Digest V98 #237
Message 277 -
1998-09-26 at 15:23:50
GARY:
Don may be extending the use of the word "sabotage" beyond the harsh
definition that Webster applies, but rather than argue over semantics I
would like to suggest that Don (or any other creative artist) would
naturally see the alterations discussed lately as direct attacks on his
creative process.
The alterations made to the skyscraper described in Ayn Rand's "The
Fountainhead" might not have weakened the sturctural integrity of the
building, but they certainly robbed the architect of his just due. I
suspect Don feels the same sort of "robbery" (my turn to adjust the meaning
of a word with quotation marks) falls very short of sabotage, if one is
allowed to soften the literal meaning a bit.
(Incidentally, Rand's architect felt strongly enough that he blew up his own
building rather than see the changes made. Thankfully, Don doesn't react
like that!)
MMM:
>>I dunno. I keep thinking of Bugs Bunny telling his nephew, "And there I
wuz, the victim of sab-oh-tah-gee!"
That's "die-ab-oh-lik-kal sab-oh-tah-gee!"
Don may be extending the use of the word "sabotage" beyond the harsh
definition that Webster applies, but rather than argue over semantics I
would like to suggest that Don (or any other creative artist) would
naturally see the alterations discussed lately as direct attacks on his
creative process.
The alterations made to the skyscraper described in Ayn Rand's "The
Fountainhead" might not have weakened the sturctural integrity of the
building, but they certainly robbed the architect of his just due. I
suspect Don feels the same sort of "robbery" (my turn to adjust the meaning
of a word with quotation marks) falls very short of sabotage, if one is
allowed to soften the literal meaning a bit.
(Incidentally, Rand's architect felt strongly enough that he blew up his own
building rather than see the changes made. Thankfully, Don doesn't react
like that!)
MMM:
>>I dunno. I keep thinking of Bugs Bunny telling his nephew, "And there I
wuz, the victim of sab-oh-tah-gee!"
That's "die-ab-oh-lik-kal sab-oh-tah-gee!"
Willot Eleve Promo 98
DIGEST #237
Message 278 -
1998-09-26 at 19:29:30
From Don Rosa:
> Oh, I'm *certain* it was my original tributary names, or you can betcha that
> I woulda noticed it!!!
> There was no sabotage by the French Underground!
I'm glad they keep the original names... Translators (even those of
Picsou) sometimes make "mistakes". (But they are not punished if they
miss an allusion to something or if they change a few sentences...).
I just wonder why I didn't notice these names while reading the story. Very
strange...!
Francois
> Oh, I'm *certain* it was my original tributary names, or you can betcha that
> I woulda noticed it!!!
> There was no sabotage by the French Underground!
I'm glad they keep the original names... Translators (even those of
Picsou) sometimes make "mistakes". (But they are not punished if they
miss an allusion to something or if they change a few sentences...).
I just wonder why I didn't notice these names while reading the story. Very
strange...!
Francois
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V98 #237
Message 279 -
1998-09-26 at 21:49:05
DIONYSIS:
> BTW, I'm a trekker too but I wouldn't sign *Dionysios the Greek Trekker*
> since your signature has become a trademark of yours. :)
Besides, you wouldn't be the *only* Greek Trekker in this list... :-)
> Well, yes I have kept some, my brother and sister-in-law, also big
> Disney comics fans have more
You lucky guy!
> but they are not that difficult to come by
> if one knows where to look for them! ;))
And *not* pay an arm and a leg for them? I remember one could buy
back issues at the publisher, but all they seem to have these days are
"Little Lulu" reprints that don't even bear the "Laughter & Joy" name.
> BTW, I've re-sent you my first mail. Hope it'll reach you this time.
Nope, it still hasn't.
> I remember 2 incidents. One is Magica's reaction in the last few
> panels of "The Unsafe Safe" when Magica realizes she can't break the
> glass surrounding Scrooge's money bin,
In this vein, I would also recommend panel 3 of Don's "Treasury of
Croesus", where Magica is shown leaving the money bin after some
unspecified failure to get Scrooge's dime had some *very* bizarre results!
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"The quest for truth is the noblest occupation of man, but there be dragons
lurking in the dark forests of ignorance. And the names of these dragons are
`Incompetence' and `Political Bias' and `Deliberate Distortion' and `Sheer,
Wrongheaded Stupidity'."
-----
> BTW, I'm a trekker too but I wouldn't sign *Dionysios the Greek Trekker*
> since your signature has become a trademark of yours. :)
Besides, you wouldn't be the *only* Greek Trekker in this list... :-)
> Well, yes I have kept some, my brother and sister-in-law, also big
> Disney comics fans have more
You lucky guy!
> but they are not that difficult to come by
> if one knows where to look for them! ;))
And *not* pay an arm and a leg for them? I remember one could buy
back issues at the publisher, but all they seem to have these days are
"Little Lulu" reprints that don't even bear the "Laughter & Joy" name.
> BTW, I've re-sent you my first mail. Hope it'll reach you this time.
Nope, it still hasn't.
> I remember 2 incidents. One is Magica's reaction in the last few
> panels of "The Unsafe Safe" when Magica realizes she can't break the
> glass surrounding Scrooge's money bin,
In this vein, I would also recommend panel 3 of Don's "Treasury of
Croesus", where Magica is shown leaving the money bin after some
unspecified failure to get Scrooge's dime had some *very* bizarre results!
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"The quest for truth is the noblest occupation of man, but there be dragons
lurking in the dark forests of ignorance. And the names of these dragons are
`Incompetence' and `Political Bias' and `Deliberate Distortion' and `Sheer,
Wrongheaded Stupidity'."
-----
M. Mitchell Marmel
Disney comics Digest V98 #237
Message 280 -
1998-09-27 at 01:24:11
At 8:23 AM -0400 9/26/98, Dan Shane wrote:
>MMM:
>
>>>I dunno. I keep thinking of Bugs Bunny telling his nephew, "And there I
>wuz, the victim of sab-oh-tah-gee!"
>
>That's "die-ab-oh-lik-kal sab-oh-tah-gee!"
"IT AIN'T VENDELL VILKIE!!!" :)
-MMM-
>MMM:
>
>>>I dunno. I keep thinking of Bugs Bunny telling his nephew, "And there I
>wuz, the victim of sab-oh-tah-gee!"
>
>That's "die-ab-oh-lik-kal sab-oh-tah-gee!"
"IT AIN'T VENDELL VILKIE!!!" :)
-MMM-
Paolo Castagno
Funnies moment in a Disney story
Message 281 -
1998-09-27 at 13:28:02
Hello,
(Email removed) wrote:
> I was wondering what the thoughts of people on the list are
> regarding the funniest - ie, actual laughter-producing -
> incident in a Disney story.
Well, ONE of my moments isn't from one of the well-world-known,
it's "zio paperone e la moneta esplosiva" (I TL 1117-A) from
Giulio Chierchini, the moment I'm referring to is when HDL read on
the local newspaper that there will be a new tax for the bachelors,
so they run to the money bin, find US reading the same news and see
him jump down the window!
I know it's not a *historical* gag, but when I recall it I start
to laugh... and sometimes people around me on the subway don't seem
to understand WHY I'm laughin'....
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
(Email removed) wrote:
> I was wondering what the thoughts of people on the list are
> regarding the funniest - ie, actual laughter-producing -
> incident in a Disney story.
Well, ONE of my moments isn't from one of the well-world-known,
it's "zio paperone e la moneta esplosiva" (I TL 1117-A) from
Giulio Chierchini, the moment I'm referring to is when HDL read on
the local newspaper that there will be a new tax for the bachelors,
so they run to the money bin, find US reading the same news and see
him jump down the window!
I know it's not a *historical* gag, but when I recall it I start
to laugh... and sometimes people around me on the subway don't seem
to understand WHY I'm laughin'....
Ciao,
- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
Paolo Castagno
Dennis and Magica
Message 282 -
1998-09-27 at 14:40:42
Hello,
Dennis Tzavaras wrote:
> Amelia e la Rinuncia alla Numero Uno(Magica Renounces the Lucky Dime): Published in
> Topolino #2232, story: Antonella Pandini, art: Comicup. This is the most
> touching and *human* Magica story ever. I won't tell you why and how
> she just lets her lucky-dime obsession go but what it boils down to is that
> our lovely volcano of a witch is a more complex character than we ever
> thought she was. That deep down she is more of an anti-hero than a villain
> and for once, even Scrooge realizes how decent she is. Just for that one time!
Hi Dennis, and welcome on the list!
I 100% agree with you about this Magica *story*, too bad that the art isn't good (IMHO).
Reading this story, I had the impression that something was changed respect the author's intentions: at page 157, the last panel shows Teo's "demoniac" face, that seems to allude to something bigger than his change at the end of the story: I was imagining
something more mysterious about him... something like he being a descendent of a wizard without knowing it, or a magician himself... something deeper than a bad influence from Magica....
What do you think?
BTW we all know that many times some stories have been redrawn before being published in other countries... if the "bosses" at Egmont want to publish this *GOOD* story, what about makin' it redrawn by Marco Rota? You surely would sell a couple of copies
more.... from me! ;-)
Ciao,
- Paolo
Dennis Tzavaras wrote:
> Amelia e la Rinuncia alla Numero Uno(Magica Renounces the Lucky Dime): Published in
> Topolino #2232, story: Antonella Pandini, art: Comicup. This is the most
> touching and *human* Magica story ever. I won't tell you why and how
> she just lets her lucky-dime obsession go but what it boils down to is that
> our lovely volcano of a witch is a more complex character than we ever
> thought she was. That deep down she is more of an anti-hero than a villain
> and for once, even Scrooge realizes how decent she is. Just for that one time!
Hi Dennis, and welcome on the list!
I 100% agree with you about this Magica *story*, too bad that the art isn't good (IMHO).
Reading this story, I had the impression that something was changed respect the author's intentions: at page 157, the last panel shows Teo's "demoniac" face, that seems to allude to something bigger than his change at the end of the story: I was imagining
something more mysterious about him... something like he being a descendent of a wizard without knowing it, or a magician himself... something deeper than a bad influence from Magica....
What do you think?
BTW we all know that many times some stories have been redrawn before being published in other countries... if the "bosses" at Egmont want to publish this *GOOD* story, what about makin' it redrawn by Marco Rota? You surely would sell a couple of copies
more.... from me! ;-)
Ciao,
- Paolo
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Members
Message 283 -
1998-09-27 at 14:51:05
Hello
A bit off-topic
Per told the swedish mailing list that we have 488 members
subscribing to the list and 36 others. Does anyone know if
we are represented in every part of the world? Thinking of Asia,
Africa and maybe Eastern Europe. I know we have mebers in
Australia and Brasil.
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #238
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A bit off-topic
Per told the swedish mailing list that we have 488 members
subscribing to the list and 36 others. Does anyone know if
we are represented in every part of the world? Thinking of Asia,
Africa and maybe Eastern Europe. I know we have mebers in
Australia and Brasil.
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End of Disney comics Digest V98 Issue #238
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Paolo Castagno
Casey's Mustache
Message 284 -
1998-09-27 at 15:05:00
Hi,
Luca Boschi wrote:
> Well, a courious thing which has become *normal* in the italian
> stories is tha he wears MUSCHES (baffi). It's a mistake, obviously. A
> cartoonist started to drew the "superior" part of his mouth " a' la
> Joe Piper", like it were a very subtile line of "baffi" and other one
> went after him. Maybe the first cartoonist to do it was Cavazzano.
> So, when an old story is reprinted, he has'n, when a new one hits the
> newsstands, he has.
Well, I didn't noticed that much, but that will be interesting to
know the story of his moustache, maybe they usually have to face a
sad destiny because of his cigar? ;-)
About "La Grande Corsa Ocopoli-Paperopoli", I'm very happy to see
that you renewed the Gottfredson tradition of great races, it
reminded me of Oscar the Ostrich, Pluto, and Tanglefoot all stories
with great races in Mouseton.
The only, little, friendly, criticism I can do to the story is that
the *high* number of characters appearing in it.
I like to see again all the characters who seemed to disappear,
especially Gedeone, but what comes to my mind is if the average age
of Topolino readers lowered in the last years (and I think so since
newer publications with a more adult target were issued, like "I
Maestri Disney"), many young readers can't know all this characters,
and showing them all together may seem a little strange.
- Paolo
(see you in Lucca!)
Luca Boschi wrote:
> Well, a courious thing which has become *normal* in the italian
> stories is tha he wears MUSCHES (baffi). It's a mistake, obviously. A
> cartoonist started to drew the "superior" part of his mouth " a' la
> Joe Piper", like it were a very subtile line of "baffi" and other one
> went after him. Maybe the first cartoonist to do it was Cavazzano.
> So, when an old story is reprinted, he has'n, when a new one hits the
> newsstands, he has.
Well, I didn't noticed that much, but that will be interesting to
know the story of his moustache, maybe they usually have to face a
sad destiny because of his cigar? ;-)
About "La Grande Corsa Ocopoli-Paperopoli", I'm very happy to see
that you renewed the Gottfredson tradition of great races, it
reminded me of Oscar the Ostrich, Pluto, and Tanglefoot all stories
with great races in Mouseton.
The only, little, friendly, criticism I can do to the story is that
the *high* number of characters appearing in it.
I like to see again all the characters who seemed to disappear,
especially Gedeone, but what comes to my mind is if the average age
of Topolino readers lowered in the last years (and I think so since
newer publications with a more adult target were issued, like "I
Maestri Disney"), many young readers can't know all this characters,
and showing them all together may seem a little strange.
- Paolo
(see you in Lucca!)
Byron Erickson
Linguistical Correctness
Message 285 -
1998-09-27 at 16:27:53
At the risk of also being *politically* correct:
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:54:47 -0600
> From: "Tristan Havelick" <(Email removed)>
> To: "Disney Comics" <(Email removed)>
> Subject: Secret of the Incas
> I also noticed that at one point in this story, one of the natives of a
> forigien contry refers to Scrooge as a European, rather than an American. I
> found this ironic with all the transation rights talk lately. I was
> surprised that Gladstone didn't change it to American, as most European
> translators would certainly do the opposite.
The "native of a foreign country" was an Inca Indian living in Peru. To
him, *all* non-Indian inhabitants of North and South America are
a)European, b) African, or c)Asian. Since Uncle Scrooge has a pasty
white complexion and *very* round eyes, the Indian made a pretty safe
assumption and called him a European.
Ergo, where the story was written, or where it was or will be published,
has no bearing on the line of dialogue, nor does Scrooge's Scottish
ancestry.
Yow! I'm obviously avoiding some unpleasant chore since I just spent
more time explaining a line of dialogue than I spent writing it! Better
get back to work...
-- Byron (the European-American resident of Europe) Erickson
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:54:47 -0600
> From: "Tristan Havelick" <(Email removed)>
> To: "Disney Comics" <(Email removed)>
> Subject: Secret of the Incas
> I also noticed that at one point in this story, one of the natives of a
> forigien contry refers to Scrooge as a European, rather than an American. I
> found this ironic with all the transation rights talk lately. I was
> surprised that Gladstone didn't change it to American, as most European
> translators would certainly do the opposite.
The "native of a foreign country" was an Inca Indian living in Peru. To
him, *all* non-Indian inhabitants of North and South America are
a)European, b) African, or c)Asian. Since Uncle Scrooge has a pasty
white complexion and *very* round eyes, the Indian made a pretty safe
assumption and called him a European.
Ergo, where the story was written, or where it was or will be published,
has no bearing on the line of dialogue, nor does Scrooge's Scottish
ancestry.
Yow! I'm obviously avoiding some unpleasant chore since I just spent
more time explaining a line of dialogue than I spent writing it! Better
get back to work...
-- Byron (the European-American resident of Europe) Erickson